The Army’s new handgun
The Military Times reports that soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division will be the first troops issued the Army’s latest acquisition of Sig-Sauer P320 handguns;
Sig Sauer beat out companies such as Smith & Wesson, Beretta and Glock for the contract worth up to $580 million. The contract includes firearms, accessories and ammunition to be delivered over 10 years.
The new handguns will be a variant of Sig Sauer’s P320, a polymer striker-fired pistol. The P320 is the first modular pistol with interchangeable grip modules that can also be adjusted in frame size and caliber. All pistols also will be configurable to receive silencers and have standard and extended capacity magazines.
The handgun can be adapted to shoot 9 mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W ammunition, according to Sig Sauer. The Army has opted to stick with the 9 mm, and it also has chosen the full size and compact P320.
The Army has decide to stick with the 9mm round, for some reason.
I have two Sigs, both are 1911s in .45 caliber. It’s a good handgun. I’m not familiar with the P320, but the 1911s were tack-drivers right out of the box.
In my opinion, the 9mm is only good for shooting Europeans and we haven’t had to do that for decades. The Army needs to get over their love affair with 9mm.
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It matches the size of their dick
/lights the fuze and runs
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look up the stats and there is not a whole lot of difference between the 9mm, .357 and .45…besides that…the 9mm is one hell of a lot cheaper! Supply and demand has ALWAYS set price!
Not a bad choice. I personally like the XD but this likely meets requirements I am not aware of.
after Springfield shat all over every gun owner in Illinois, I’m never buying from them again.
Do please elaborate. I missed the memo.
Are we talking same as Ruger tossing standard mag owners under the bus, or Smith & Wesson making a devil deal with the Clinton administration?
Funny how dumb a supposedly for-profit firm can be. The total Army contract for pistols pales in comparison to private owner potential sales.
Of course, the gun firms actually have to -earn- the trust and respect of the buying public…..
Illinois politicians trying to limit FFL’s from selling firearms. Basically they would have put out of business all manufacturers and dealers. Springfield along with others joined a lobbying group to make sure they got exemptions to stay in business. Basically standard business stuff, but idiots online think Springfield and other gun manufacturers and sellers should instead go out of business. It’s really stupid they are being blamed by morons on the internet, but then again it’s the internet and gun owners can be huge morons.
I’ll still buy the piss out of Springfield Armor firearms because they are great firearms sold at great prices.
If I had the available funds, a Springfield SAINT would most certainly be in my collection today.
Now, if Springfield wanted to move its factories to warmer climes (e.g., Texas) then I’d not be too unhappy. (grin)
Ruger found a new home in North Carolina and FN has a factory in South Carolina.
Enter Springfield Armory giveaway to win 2 Saint rifles and some other serious firearm swag then!
https://wn.nr/32U5y2
[drooling on desk]
Cannot wait to get home & follow that link.
Not entirely accurate. RRA and SPirngfield formed IFMA to lobby for them in Illinois. The director of IFMA went on his own to cut the exemption for them according to RRA and Springfield Armory. They have since dropped all support and cut all ties to IFMA.
FYI the people that started all this stupid condemnation of these firearms manufacturers was The Truth About Guns, the same domain that publishes John Giduck shit and keeps it up even after users have informed them why they shouldn’t promote stolen valor phonies.
The main thing that got it was the modularity. It will accept different sized slides on the same frame and has more options for grips. I also like XDs, but the Sig is a better fit for the specific requirements of the contract, and is a damn fine gun too.
Really any of the proposed guns would be light years ahead of the M9, and I just hope my little gun club accepts them before I retire. However they’re going to have to revise all the Navy quals prior to, or during, adoption of the new pistol, and the Navy probably needs a new shipboard laser blaster, or funding for mine detecting mermaids prior to wasting money on small arms. Priorities, ya know.
I like the XD also. I own two XDm’s. But the Sig P320 is so much better. I own one that I have quite literally changed from a full size to a sub-compact in less than two minutes. The gun is that modular.
I carry a XD Mo2. Only feature I wish it included was free ammunition because it’s such a great compact.
The XD: it’s like a glock, but not gay!
[ducks]
XD(M) here. Got it just under the wire before the Peoples Republic of Maryland got stupid.
Still wanting to get my hands on their SOCOM M1A.
Wish they would have dropped the 9mm round.
Disagree. 9mm systems are faster then .45
You can go noticeable faster through the targeting process, from target detection to target acquisition to target engagement to target reengagement.
The lower recoil allows the shooter to stay on target for follow up deliveries.
Now if in your case realistically you are only going to be able to engage your target once, then yes, .45 would be better. But if multiple engagement of multiple targets is required, then 9mm is far more effective.
I think they are sticking with 9mm for cost considerations and how many of our NATO allies use it.
Specialized troops will be able to get other calibers through their equipment and supply chains.
I have to agree with Lars on this – cost, and widespread use by our NATO allies.
I’m sure those who meet certain requirements can get their .45ACP
Although, truth be told, if you’re down to your handgun in an assault situation, you have other problems.
What that guy said.
I’m no fan of the .40 Short & Weak, but I think it’s a better choice than 9mm. I think we’ve beaten the “NATO allies” every time we’ve faced any of them on the field of battle, so why do we think that their equipment is in any way functional enough to emulate?
I suspect it all comes down to the question of battlefield supply. If we are using 9mm, and the Brits next to us are using 9mm, then we can share supply if needed.
Although if both teams are down to handguns – tactics suck.
Errr ….
MG 42 > M60
StG 44 > AK47
Those two “europäisch” weapons were worth emulating! Except they weren’t “NATO allies” we copied.
JSF
Uhhh. The Stg44 is ammo-finicky and needs good cleaning habits. It is highly German in execution, despite the stamping, etc. The Kalashnikov is peasant-friendly, dirt tolerant, and can handle almost anything the notoriously irregular Soviet ammunition industry could belch forth. (Sure, a derivitave, but the one that is still arguably the most popular such thing in use.)
The Army could have bought Hi-Point 9s. Pistols are a minor item to an Army. All that next-gun effort should be focused on the next Infantry rifle and cartridge.
And I am a dedicated 1911 fan for a defensive fighting iron, so spare me the charges of “Heresy!”. If I am going to a fight, I have a rifle. If I have a pistol, then I darn sure have something -else- better used than a rifle. (MG, Radio, etc…)
So, contemplate: the order is now Hi-Points, and all the money saved goes to training and ammo for it. Or for other, MOS-specific training.
The MG42’s upgrade had it’s ROF reduced because it had a worrying habit of destroying the gun with a misfire. Nevermind barrel wear. The M60 also borrows heavily from the 1919 and both borrow heavily from other guns. The AK47 is actually based more on the Garand than the STG44 and funny enough the STG44 probably owes more to the 1907 Winchester than to any German ingenuity. Also, we didn’t copy shit. Early attempts at an assault rifle were in the running as early as WW1. The M1 Carbine and it’s M2 upgrade and the use of the Garand over the Springfield ’03 should probably tell you that though.
Yeah, apart from superficial resemblance, the only significant similarities are in the gas system (coincidental as Kalashnikov had already worked it out before he ever laid eyes on a sturmgewehr) and the magazine (developed for another Russian design; Kalashnikov decided not to reinvent the wheel when he could use something off-the-shelf).
As for the Sturmgewehr itself, it suffered most of the same problems as the Gewehr-43. It was fragile as a china cup (due both to design flaws and late-war manufacturing shortcuts), picky about its ammo, and didn’t like dirt. The British tried to torture-test it, but gave up when they discovered that propping one up against a table and then knocking it over irreparably bent the receiver to the point of rendering the bolt unable to cycle. It wasn’t as much of a jam-o-matic as the Gewehr-43 at least. Really, it was more the concept that was a big deal than the weapon itself.
G43 was an STV-40 clone, the one that was jam happy piece of junk was the G40 I thought? Though I’ll be honest in that I haven’t looked into issues with the 43.
The G-43 was an absolute nightmare, according to everything I’ve read. It borrowed heavily from the SVT-40–which wasn’t all that simple or robust to begin with–and threw in more delicate parts, took the simple aspects of the design and complicated the hell out of them, and then some kraut had the brilliant idea of lightening the weapon and improving its heat dissipation by cutting away those parts of the receiver that keep dirt out of the springs. Then there was the sniper version, whose scope mount wouldn’t hold a zero for love or money. You could say it was a preview of the expensive disaster that would be the H&K G-11 40 years later. The general opinion of German troops who carried them was that you were better off throwing rocks.
On paper, it should’ve been a better weapon than the Garand, SVT, or SKS. Instead, it was inferior to all of them because it didn’t work.
The odd Gas-Trap G41 was the jam-o-mattic. G43’s are quite reliable and accurate.Especially with handloads.
What I wish is that the military would get over their romance with all-ball ammo and use some modern projectiles.
But I’m not an expert in that area, so they can safely ignore my opinion.
You run into some Hague Convention issues there, although technically they apply only to conflicts between signatories. Does that mean that against guerillas/terrorists anything goes? We didn’t sign them anyway, and DoD has stated they are legal now. Any ‘war crimes’ issues from their use would probably depend on who is conducting a trial.
If I am not mistaken, we still have that conditional declaration of war from the early 2000s if anyone tries to haul US troops in front of the “international Criminal Court” thing.
Sometimes, Congress actually does something worth celebrating.
I don’t believe the United States ever signed off on The Hague Convention of 1899, but our NATO allys observe it.
I agree. They should have went 5.7x28mm considering how easy accessible pistol caliber and even rifle caliber body armor is now days. Pistol calibers are really ineffective in all areas.
I hear that 5.7mm doesn’t do so good against armor, either, if it’s launched from a pistol-length barrel.
Not so the Marines anyway. They are selling off as surplus their .45 Colt pistols that cost so much for what they do. The pistols are going for like $3000.00 with a certificate of Marine Authenticity.
Ya, thats what I want. A used .45 some Marine like me carried around the world.
Shake, rattle, and roll is great for songs but not my choice in a firearm. I abused the hell out of mine and so did many others.
Back when we actually had to think when setting up a firing position…any chunk of metal would reek havoc on floating needles.
I lost count of how many times some boot Lt couldn’t set up an aiming circle because he had his .45 strapped to him. I often assisted by removing the magnetic interference to the recommended 50 feet. I took pride in arching a nice trajectory to that distance.
The .45’s that don’t get beat to hell in the field are PM’ed to death by REMF’s. Nothing like a shiny smooth bore that had more cleaning rods jammed through it than ammo.
Oh, and the spring works great as a heating element when its wired to a battery from an old PRC 77. Not that I ever did that in Norway at -17. And, if you remove the mag out it works great to pry out those pesky tent stakes that just dont want to come up.
I might be able to make some money at this. Hell, anyone that ones one of these just send me $2000 and I will abuse the shit out of a .45 Colt and send it to you with a certificate of authenticity that it has been fucked over by a real Marine.
Jonn has my address, I accept PayPal
Back in the ’80s when they were agonizing over replacing the .45 M1911s the Army claimed:
1) Training to the same level of proficiency took about 2/3 the rounds of 9mm as .45
2) Failures to train (the ones who just couldn’t train up at all) was similarly about 1/3 lower.
3) It was claimed that perceived recoil was lower.. me, I’m partial to Browning HiPowers and do not see that much of a difference.
4) Ammo weight is significantly lower – 7 rounds of .45 weighs about as much as 15 rounds of 9mm.
5)For ball ammo, first round stop percentages in the real world are very similar, around 73-75% with either. 6) NATO uses 9mm. This probably trumps 1-4 when you consider ammo interchangeability and logistics. Thank God they didn’t settle on .22LR
Now supposedly they are moving to JHPs in which case the first-round stops numbers shift pretty radically to the .45… unless you compared 9mm JHP to .45 ball, 9mm wins that statistical battle. The .45 JHP is far superior to the 9mm JHP…but see #6.
That is some interesting info.
I know my father (WWII Infantry vet) preferred the Walther P38 in 9mm to the 1911 in 45ACP, and for home defense went for 22LR because of through-penetration issues for innocents downrange.
He also shot expert with any of them and had combat experience to steady his nerves.
YMMV
I dunno, I’ve found that I get back on target between shots faster, smoother, and easier with a 1911 than with a HiPower (I’ve shot both quite a bit, gave the HiPower to my little sister*). The nine seems to flip its muzzle more. But then again, I’m a reasonably large dude with proportionally large hands, so maybe it’s just me.
* Not without regrets. It’s a nice gun. And just last week she announced her intention to completely sell out and buy a damn glock. I disowned her immediately.
I’ve rented a full size P320 in 9mm before. I honestly loved it and was grinning like a dumbass after 100 rounds. I liked the trigger and the recoil. It’s my next “to buy” gun.
Also, word is the since the Army did all the heavy lifting, the other branches are also looking to switch to the P320. Word is, Glawk Bros are on suicide watch.
Glock’s entire marketing is based on the fallacy of appeal to authority. The firearms industry has passed it by and thus it’s former bread and butter is moving on as well. Glock needs to get out there and innovate.
They could start by using a grip angle that’s actually ergonomic. Damn things feel like you’re shooting a flashlight.
I had a Glock in .357 SIG and just never liked it, even after I had it de-Glocked. I had thet godawful grip angle changed, added a better slide release, a metal guide rod, tritium sights, dished out the area around the mag release, and put a metal piece where that nasty piece of plastic goes on the back of the slide. Then I thought it was a lot better weapon. These are all things Glock should have started doing years and years ago to make it a better pistol, but people kept buying them as they were, so why bother?
I tried firing a couple calibers of Glock when I was buying my first pistol years ago. I tried most of the big brands too.
I was not very enthused about it after putting 100 rounds through each glock. I’m not sure why people love it so much after they fire it, I didn’t feel any gusto about it.
I ended up getting an HK USP .40. I have hollow point rounds for home defense so I don’t shoot through the wall and hit my hipster neighbors.
I dunno. I’ve fired more than a few different types over more than a few years and still like my Glock 21SF primary and Glock 43 BUG combo.
I like 1911 platforms, but not for carry…no need for all the redundancy and parts sticking out waiting to malfunction and stick to clothing on the draw.
then again many people hate KelTec with a passion, but I really like my PLR-16
to each their own
I agree. I’ve owned and carried the P320 for two years now. I can change mine from sub-compact for carry to full size for range fun in less than two minutes. Wait till you shoot one with a GrayGuns trigger!
Now y’gone and made me covet.
I’m happy to help. I use 15 round mags with the the XGrip adaptor. I just installed a set of TruGlo TFX Pro sights on my P320SC. Next is light basket weave stipling, undercut the trigger guard, and I’m thinking about a cut on the slide to make it lighter. That to me will be the perfect carry gun. If you do buy one, you won’t be disappointed. I like shooting my P320 as much as my P226.
Aaaaand the M4/M16…?
The Army, De Partment of, 1 each has spent time and money fixing a crapload of problems that weren’t:
M14 vs SASS
ALICE vs MOLLIE ruck
IBA vs IOTV
M203 vs M320
Mossberg vs Masterkey
Dudes vs mixed gender Infantry
Oh, I could go on but I don’t have the time or disposition.
There was a time when the Army was careful about buying good stuff. The 1911, M1903, and Browning M1917/1919 were all adopted because what the Army already had sucked, and they each beat all competing designs for replacement–okay, the 1903 was a total ripoff of the Mauser 98, but it still applies. The Garand was adopted because the Army liked the idea of having semiautos to match everyone else’s bolt guns, and in trials it turned out to be really good (also beating competing designs in said trials).
It seems the wheel reinvention really took off in the 50s and only increased since then.
There is some degree of controversy with any weapons acquisition – the early bolt actions had controls which effectively made them single shots, sde to hidebound generals not wanting to ‘waste’ ammunition. However it was definitely post-WWI when politicians started linking defense jobs to home-district pork, and it really took off after WWII. Can you say military-industrial complex? I knew that you could.
One of the reasons the F35 would be hard to kill – its major components’ manufacture is spread through a huge number of congressional districts and states – the bipartisan jobs loss would be incredible.
Back then they didn’t have 50 levels of acquisition boards to go through and have to spend 10-15 years competing to get the Army to buy anything either.
357 Sig is a real man stopper. same ballistics as a 357 mag but in auto format. 9mm not so much unless it is coming out of an SMG.
it is too bad that the military is bogged down in such bureaucracy, there are some truly awesome rounds out there now , like the .45 GAP that would be great for a combat side arm. If not for NATO then it would be ideal…
Just my 2 cents worth
Good to know about the 357 Sig. (Presume you are addressing the ammo, not the pistol itself?)
I have easy access to a Sig P239. The single stack gives me pause so have not tried it. Besides, the ammo seems rather expensive for just plinking.
Consider yourselves lucky, at least you guys have a sidearm that was built after ‘the Bomb’
The vast majority of us Canuck troops still pack Inglis P35’s. Hell, I removed the cosmoline from one that was milled while Hitler was still breathing. Our MP’s pack SIG’s among some others. However, they must feed them Federal commercial ammo as the NATO 9×19+p subgun stuff is too hot and beats the SIGs to pieces. I have never much cared for the P35 or 9×19. I would have chosen an earlier .455 MkVI Webley anyday. .
.455- the ‘Original Manstopper’
Then again, we were using cordite-eating Lee Enfields and Webleys while many of your troops were facing down Spanish Mausers with BP single shot ‘Trapdoor’ Springfields.
I remember Dad using cosmoline, and later he would do long-term storage of his Springfield 30-06 using grease from a grease gun.
I had forgotten that SIG advised against using +P or handloads. I’m assuming the P320 will be able to handle +P loads. Hope so anyway.
A wise man. Sticky Automotive grease is perfect for long term.
I use black powder Bore Butter for that purpose. It is pricey but well worth it. Is easily removed with only hot water and is totally non toxic. Me likes talkin guns….
If the handgun is needed, as Greybeard suggests, the Indians are inside of the wagon circle and all you want is any piece that doesn’t jam.
My personal is a SIG P220 that reliably eats anything I’ve ever fed it – cheap Ruski to premium defensive.
SIG seems to make ’em as jam-resistant as they come. The 17+1 that the P320 boasts beats the 8+1 of my personal. But again, if I need that many the Indians are indeed inside the wagon circle and my tactics suck worse than usual.
Reminds me of when my PL tried to get me to go to combatives level 2. I told him that if I was doing hand to hand as a PSG I knew of 4 Squad Leaders that were getting fired.
When I hit 40 my CSM actually told me, “dude, you don’t need to kick in doors anymore. There are a crap load of kids who will be doing it.”
Though in Afghanistan I was still walking up and down those same hills as 20 year olds and I never fell out, even though a couple of them did.
I got to smile and laugh after those patrols because I watched a pissed off Platoon Sergeant carrying an M240 on missions who was going to shove boots in asses of kids half his age who couldn’t hump that MG.
.45 ACP is antiquated.
As with most military equipment the major factor in decided requirements and the eventually winner was logistics. Having a truly modular handgun where the actual handgun is essentially a pop in and out trigger group on any other frame, slide, ect is amazing. That being the serialized part also means far easier replacement and part availability.
The modular rifle (Stoner system) was supposed to be the Big Thing, but always seemed kinda iffy for an -army-.
Stocking all the spare optional bits either displaces more useful stuff, or adds more logistical burden.
Those modular systems make little sense deployed, under field conditions, in a rapidly moving fight.
We are already logistically overburdened. Soldiers do-not- need more stuff to carry. (Or truckloads to move… Etc)
Standardize the weaoons, for -combat-. Anyone who cant manage the standard is -not- supposed to be there.
If a serviceperson can’t manage the standard, replace the person, not the weapon. Plenty of other jobs need done, elsewhere.
Hardly. I can think of plenty useful things having a firing group being the only serialized part allowing companies to essentially fix and reconfigure at will without any armory involvement what so ever. That is a pretty huge capability and being able to get up a weapon that is down much easier.
For civilian use it’s not that special but for military use it’s a huge capability. Nobody is going to be burdened by that what so ever. In fact basic custodial duties in the armory can go a lot faster removing firing packs for easy accountability of serialized parts.
In the field? In a rapidly advance? I believe it was a rather smart Marine that said “If you can’t shoot it or eat it, don’t bring it”.
All that extra swapout-stuff costs the ability to move ammunition, water, food, fuel, etc.
Now, if the grip of a -pistol- has to be readily modifiable in the -field- how about a ratchet and hinge that moves the existing grip part back and fourth, like the stock of a rifle?
But then you cant sell the Army all those lovely extra parts to sit in bins, never used, as “sets”.
You do not need a customizable -handgun- to fight a -war-.
I’d just like for there to be one year that the Ammo gods up on high NOT tell me there’s a “critical shortage” of 9mm ammo available for live fire training. That ‘critical shortage’ has been going on since about 2000.
Roger that.
I’ve seen videos where my son’s group was training on urban combat having to call out “bang! bang!” – just like we did as kids running around the neighborhood playing Army/Cops&Robbers/Cowboys&Indians.
Made me wonder what kind of SNAFU/FUBAR they were in.
That’s 90% of Marine Corps training.
Awwww crap. FatCircles just dumped on my parade!
Well unless you go “knit knoy” and think he was only addressing .45 ACP… 
This is my recommendation for a “new army” sidearm.
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Colt_Single_Action_Army_Revolver
It might make getting in and out of a turret a little tough….
Surprising lethal in the original full power loads= 250 grain slug at 900+
The 45 ACP in effect duplicated the lower powered round standardized for the SAA.
Back when “killing power” wasnt a dirty word for the military, and troops were expected to “man up” to weapons, not weapons tone down to the smallest and weakest people.
Yet, we still see a decline over time in raw hit power of smallarms, despite the “average” man gaining ~5-6 inches and 50-80 pounds.
“Enough” changes as we learn the details.
Another thought: what if we had put all that pistol effort into acquiring and deployinf the current generation of lightweight high-reliability M-16 mags?
Or, ammo and training?
Either would have helped much more.
Well dang, I had sent in a comment with a link to a picture of the Single Action Army revolver, suggesting this should be our new sidearm. Im thinking either the server or the link was judged as being a bit wonky. So dammit my kidding around lost its punch.
I guess I live my TAH name – Dinotanker. I liked the 1911A1. I think the round was big enough that I could hit the broad side of a barn with it.
As an idle thought; how much $$$ went into coming up with this decision?
A whole lot more than all of us combined will ever see, that’s for sure.
I tend to think of the 1911 as the last US handgun explicitly designed as a -primary- killing weapon, as it was our last “horse” Cavalry sidearm.
You have to amalgamate a whole bunch of “modern” to beat that century-old fossil.
Lol. Actually, I would take a Ruger .45 SAA clone anyday over a nine.
Nine is fine if you can Mozambique, but I would rather count on proven .45 cal stopping power.
9mm may expand, but .45 dont shrink!
Ex-PH2 must be out buying catfood or somethin’.
She hasn’t ragged us get for our gun talk.
The old Airman in me liked the Model 15 S&W, I could dot the “i” of a mosquito with it. As for the 1911; you’d be safer if I shot at you with it than if I threw it at you.
Dennis, I have heard that too! I was also thinking that one of the scouts said, who needs the .45? Just throw the round at the bad guys.
I definitely agree with 2/17 Cav and as others have stated: If we are down to using our sidearms; we have truly screwed the pooch; or to give credit to a new comment how badly things can go “we are as screwed as Mo’s goat on a Thursday night!”
(Thanks API and Poetrooper! I was laughing so hard about that one I damn near wet my pants…!)
That’s “As screwed as Mo’s FAVORITE goat on a Thursday night”.
Thankyahverymuch, don’t forget to tip the veal and try the Waittress!
“The contract includes firearms, accessories and ammunition to be delivered over 10 years.”
Which means that the Reserves and National Guard will get their first sets of Sig’s (that are Active Army refurbished after the Active folks get their newer ones) in about 15 years.
Looks like all the sister services will follow the army’s lead, and jump on the P320 train:
https://kitup.military.com/2017/05/modular-handgun-system-3.html
The M9 got more play then you might think in Iraq.
Truthfully they could have picked just about any full size SAP that came out in the last 15 years and it would be world’s ahead of the M9. Sig makes a good gun but most major makers these days do as well.
Bradley Kasal still holding the M9 when he was being evac’d out in Fallujah is a memorable picture.
Indeed. You use what ya got, one way or another.
http://www.burnpit.us/2017/05/shane-ladner-convicted-6-7-charges
The US Army figured out that .45 is the best option back in 1907!! This came after the piss weak .38LC( and even 30-40!) failed to stop charging, frenzied, drugged jihadis( sound familiar?)
The Brits developed the DEWC MkIII .455 to specifically drop charging colonial savages with a single shot.
Me thinks we need a .45 cartridge back to drop our modern jihadi jerkoffs.
Id take 6 or 10 rnds of .45 than 18 of 9×19 anyday.