President Trump: Blue State Bailouts not Fair to Conservatives
Flight from blue states. (Reddit)
Blue states push to make the “progressive agenda” a reality. Increase taxes on the rich and corporations, fund more “social programs”, throw money at problems instead of resolving the cause, etc. Money spent on illegal aliens that shouldn’t’ be? Ditto. There is even an instance of a blue state painting some of its roads “white” to help “combat climate change”.
Conservative policies, on the other hand, acknowledge human nature and its role in generating wealth. Red states push for policies that improve the odds that wealth is generated… More incentive is there to generate wealth and to engage in capitalism.
We saw this come to the surface when the tax code was changed to limit how much state and local taxes could be deducted. This pandemic is showing another example of how these states are reacting.
From the New York Post:
“I think Congress is inclined to do a lot of things but I don’t think they’re inclined to do bailouts. A bailout is different than, you know, reimbursing for the plague,” said Trump, who also predicted a strong economic rebound from the coronavirus crisis by the end of the year, and offered his opinions on presumptive Democratic challenger Joe Biden’s best pick for a running mate and the sex assault allegations facing the former vice president.
“It’s not fair to the Republicans because all the states that need help — they’re run by Democrats in every case. Florida is doing phenomenal, Texas is doing phenomenal, the Midwest is, you know, fantastic — very little debt.”
Trump also said, “You look at Illinois, you look at New York, look at California, you know, those three, there’s tremendous debt there, and many others.
“I don’t think the Republicans want to be in a position where they bail out states that are, that have been mismanaged over a long period of time,” he said.
The New York Post provides a couple of stories for details. One on the blue states needing money, and another on the New York Governor slamming Mitch McConnnell as the “Grim Reaper“.
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Burn the [states] to save [them]. Ha!
But for real, it’s time to lean my state’s government (Connecticut) by 99% and flush every state pension if they don’t take a 50% hair cut.
The tax burden is the problem, but instead of using this opportunity to make cuts, they’ll double or triple down.
Wait until town halls get strangled from diminishing property tax receipts. Serves them all right or livin’ high on ill-gotten gain.
Exactly. These states determined their priorities, initiating one government funded program after another, budgets be damned. You can’t make it on your current budget? How about you take a look at existing programs and make the call of where you can trim some fat? If everything is Priority 1, then nothing is a priority. It’s called living within your means, like responsible adults do.
90% chance you are from a taker red state.
Thus honks Komrade Kazoo!
How dare those victims reject their parasite overlords!
One can live in a red state and still disapprove of their governing methods.
Unfortunately, you are correct, but Hack has to live in Bethesda Maryland to commute to his job on Wilson Lane to sell outdated and overpriced software to the federal government. Hack remembers when a Republican Presidential Candidate list when he mentioned that 51% of people living in America were receiving government assistance. When every time you earn more money to sustain your lifestyle the government takes a bigger slice because you aren’t “paying your fair share”, where is the incentive to work? People are collecting more on unemployment now than the “essential workers” are. Tell us how that is fair.
All-Points Logistics should go into the drone delivery business.
The False Commander “Phony” Phil Monkress (CEO of All-Points Logistics) could make a fortune by procuring a feloniously gained taxpayer-funded government contract based upon his fake Navy SEAL, Native American and Law Enforcement claims.
And then produce a knock-off, substandard product. Sky is the limit…or maybe not.
Referring to a conservative state as a “taker” is a joke, considering the states that are run by your political party of choice are all about “taking”.
The state you live in is suffering because the people who run it are jackasses, and are experts at mismanaging everything.
It’s a reference to how much per capita funding each state takes or receives from the government. There’s an imperfect but visible red/blue divide when you look at the states. Of the 9 states that pay more than they get, 7 are blue, with Nebraska and North Dakota being the exceptions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/
It’s traditionally the conservatives who make a point about taxes being ‘our money’ – New York, in that theme, has a pretty valid complaint about getting ‘their money’ back, I think. It’s less clear how it breaks down in NYC vs. upstate, but it does seem clear some red states ‘take’ from the taxes New Yorkers pay.
Alternatively, perhaps the reason is NY’s state tax policies.
A huge number of people leave NY when they retire. That means their Social Security, Medicare, other government benefits/pensions, etc . . . . go with them to their new homes. Ditto the Federal dollars that operate and maintain the Federal facilities in their new home states to support the increased population. The same is true of Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and a number of other northern high-tax-burden states (their crappy winter weather doesn’t help, either).
Losing those Federal dollars is likely IMO the root cause of the imbalance.
Don’t believe me? Just take a trip to South Florida some time and see how many people were originally from the Northeast but moved south when they retired.
That probably contributes, but I’f like to see a careful analysis before saying that’s the root cause, let alone a significant factor. Just googling for New York retirees that move south, here’s an article that looks at net retiree migration – and while Florida is by far the state with the largest influx, it’s only 57.7K (2014 data):
https://smartasset.com/retirement/where-are-retirees-moving
Now, the article I cited above showed NY had a tax burden of $1792 per resident in 2017, and 8.4M people. I don’t know if any distinction is drawn between residents and population, but treating them equally, that’s a total net tax burden of $15B, right?
Now for the sake of argument let’s assume that net gain of 58K retirees in FL all come from NY – not reasonable, but just back-of-the-envelope scale right. That means each retiree counts for ~260K per year moving from NY to FL?
I don’t buy that. Or, I need a better job in the government.
If you’ve got data showing otherwise, I’m happy to see it, and I admit the net retirees number seemed a lot lower than I expected, but this doesn’t seem to pass the first test.
LC-extrapolate half of those 58K leaving NY for FL for 10 years and you get 290,000 retired New Yorkers living in the Sunshine State, that doesn’t seem terribly unreasonable. Now divide your $15 Billion by that and you get $52k per year which seems a lot more reasonable (factoring in both Social Security and Medicare).
I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know enough about how this works, and that seems slightly reasonable at first – average SS benefit is $18K/year, and Medicare is harder to quantify. But you add up, say, 30 years of people moving and it could seem reasonable.
But then, retirees have been moving from NY to FL for as long as I can remember, and yet, according to this link, New Yorkers have received less than they paid between ’81 – ’05:
https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/ftsbs-timeseries-20071016-.pdf
More to the point, while it’s fluctuated, it hasn’t fluctuated much. If you factor in the age and life expectancy of retirees, so its not a cumulative thing, you can still make a case for some effect, but it still doesn’t explain most of it. New Yorkers, and people in other states that give more than they get -often blue ones- seem to get screwed.
Here’s something else to consider-a lot of those who “move” to Florida do so for the purposes of establishing residency for tax purposes. So they live in Florida for part of the year, but somewhere else for the rest (I live in NC and you can chart the migrations regularly). So every dollar they collect in Social Security is counted as going to Florida for the purposes of studies like this, but they do not spend all of that money there. This also skews how these states are perceived when you try to calculate all of this.
The policies of places like NYC jack up costs, thus artificially inflating salaries needed to overcome the downsides. Folks pay higher taxes, etc, including Federal, as well as stratospheric expenses.
Living on $100k in NYC is slightly above “hobo”. Living on $100k on the Florida Space Coast is pretty decent living.
All that pain is self-inflicted, with inept and corrupt NYC government as a rancid cherry on a turd sundae.
I knew lots of folks in Florida that, facing poverty after collecting an NYC pension for 30 years work, camped to Florida and lived better on partial pay there than full pay back in NYC.
All that Proggy stupid drives out all that money to States much better run.
No disagreement that cost-of-living is remarkably different between NY and FL, but Federal taxes don’t change, right? State taxes, certainly, but not Federal.
Except when you get to write off your state taxes on your federal taxes.
Not any more.
Actually, state taxes are still deductible on your Federal return if you itemize – but the deduction is now limited to $10,000 for ALL state and local taxes (income, property, sales, etc . . . ).
And given the much larger standard deduction, unless you have a 7-figure mortgage or a huge number of medical or other uncommon deductible expenses – “good luck with that”. It’s generally pretty hard for a married “Joe Average” to hit $24,000+ in legit personal deductions.
A working class person in Florida pays very little Federal tax. That same economic level in NYC pays a great deal of Federal tax.
$100k is Federally taxed the same in both places. But the insane policies of NYC mean a family of four on $100k is impoverished, versus in non-big-city Florida where it is a comfortably decent living.
That excessive cost of living is induced by stupid policies. And their answer is “subsidize our stupid!”.
When the blue states can’t stop people from taking a dump in front of a nice restaurant they have a lot of nerve asking places that don’t allow that to pay for their stupidity…
Your source of data is suspect. You also appear to be mixing apples and oranges here – e.g., you’re only considering NYC’s adds, while I’m talking the state and Federal tax burdens. Per Wikipedia, NY state’s per capita Federal tax burden was over $13,500 in FY2015. I’ll guarantee that did not drop by almost a factor of 10 by 2017. Further, I’d guess the average combined state and local income taxes for NY would be significantly more than what you quote. (One source I’ve seen says that the NY state income tax burden is almost $2,250 per capita – and that doesn’t include sales/property/other state taxes). It wouldn’t surprise me if the figure you quoted was NYC’s income/other additional tax burden alone and doesn’t include the state tax burden. Florida, in contrast, has zero income tax. Nada. None. Zip. I’ll go out on a limb and say property taxes in Florida are lower, too. And sales taxes are comparable (Florida’s state sales tax is 6% with local adds allowed – and exempts food and medications). So Florida is a very attractive retirement relocation destination for people being taxed excessively by their current state. Further: someone retiring at age 65 would be expected to live these days to around age 80 – a bit more for women, a bit less for men. So yes: most moving to Florida from NY on retirement would still be alive 10 years after relocation. Many would live significantly longer than that. The average social security benefit is now around $1500/month. Multiply that by 8 (10 years of migration less 2 years to allow for deaths), then by 56,000 net per year, then by 12 (12 months per year) yields a net difference of around $8 billion per year in Federal spending that Florida now gets instead of NY state due to 10 years of relocation from NY to FL. Much of that Social Security won’t be taxed, either. And don’t forget: that’s for Social Security alone; it doesn’t include Medicare, other direct Federal payments (pensions/other direct payments like VA compensation), or Federal spending on infrastructure… Read more »
Hondo, quick disagreement: property taxes tend to be HIGHER in states with no state income tax. The state generally gets its share – if not in income tax, in higher sales and property taxes.
In New York state, the average effective property tax rate is approximately 1.68% – over 1.5x the national average of 1.08%. The average effective property tax rate is less than 1% in Florida – 0.98%, to be precise – which is less than the national average.
NYC has even lower average effective property tax rates (0.90%) – but property values and rents there are famously high, so I’ll go out on a limb and say you’re almost certainly better off financially on that score in FL than NYC, too.
https://smartasset.com/taxes/florida-property-tax-calculator
https://smartasset.com/taxes/new-york-property-tax-calculator
Dunno, but having lived in Texas and NH with no income tax and comparing property taxes here to other states where I have lived or had links, the property taxes in Texas are MUCH higher that either other state. When I had a $40K house in El Paso, my property tax was about the same as a buddy’s in Scottsdale – on his $170K house.
There’s also the distinct possibility that the evil US military setting up shop in the much friendlier red states contributes significantly to federal monies being seen more in those states.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/1789129/which-state-ranks-highest-in-military-spending/
On first glance, that wouldn’t seem to offset the states listed above.
He’s speaking from experience. Your percentage is not correct.
But, but, but, but…
We OWE them! Why, I don’t know, but we OWE them. Somehow or another, we who patterned our lives such that with a bit of frugality and a whole lotta work we are now able to take care of ourselves financially even tho our peak earning years have passed us by are supposed to simply turn over what we have to a bunch of self-possessed bureaucrats and pols to use to get votes for further corruption and self-service?
No.
For the last ten years, California’s had more people “taking” from the system than paying into it.
But don’t worry, everything’s fine. People aren’t really leaving in droves. They are still super rich and able to afford the billions they spend on small portions of the population.
False.
California contributes more to the federal budget than any other state.
And they take out much less than they contribute.
And they are rapidly on their way to collapse because they are so functional!
Keep honkin that Kazoo, Komrade! Surely folks will finally understand your honks if you just keep repeating them! Then again, the naked face of the inbound collectivist fail is kinda hard to mask with that bizarre noise you make.
They are the state that immediately went from having too little water (drought) to too much water (dam bursting) in like a week.
Wrong Kemosabe.
Califonia IS a taker state!
“Notably, high-tax California was no longer on the list of donor states, although just barely — taxpayers there receive, on average, $12 more from the federal government than they pay out to it.”
https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/donor-states/
https://www.governing.com/week-in-finance/gov-taxpayers-10-states-give-more-feds-than-get-back.html
He believes whatever the Party Line tells him to believe, no matter how false it is. But where is it written that each state is entitled to get the same or more tax dollars than their citizens pay back from the federal government?
Something about “paying your fair share”. Hack likes how Obama used to be bitch about people not paying their fair share, then having the “Reverend” Al Sharpton stop by the White House. Do you suppose they ever discussed a repayment plan to the IRS for Al? And how come the IRS never garnished his MSNBC salary to satisfy the debt?
I would like to know how much of his $5 million in delinquent taxes that professional racial grievance monger has paid or has otherwise been collected from him. I’ll bet not much.
He is still dodging that judgment from the Tawana Brawnley hoax.
I heard he paid most of that judgment with money from some supporting richy-rich fellow race grievance mongers when he was running for president.
They still contribute more than any other state.
And until last year, apparently, they did contribute more than they took in.
Will have to look at the budget to figure out what changed.
I suspect it is a combination of fires, and border expenditures.
Regardless, MSG Eric’s claim they have been takers for the last ten years is bullshit.
Actually, since now CA nets $12 per capita from the Federal government vice pays, Koalemos (AKA Commissar AKA Poodle AKA Seagull AKA Cthulhu) – that claim is irrelevant. Why? Because in the aggregate, now California receives more in Federal funds than it contributes in taxes.
In other words, California is a net “taker” – not a “billpayer”. The amount CA residents pay in Federal taxes is smaller than the amount CA gets in Federal funding.
In per capita terms, I don’t believe CA was anywhere close to being the biggest “donor” state for many years if not decades.
I’m pretty sure that’s been Connecticut for many a long time.(See below.)Oh, and on a per-dollar-in-taxes basis, Virginia and Maryland are now the biggest net recipients. VA gets over $2 in Federal funds for each dollar they send to DC om taxes, while MD gets over $1.50. I’m pretty sure that has something to do with the fact that most Federal employees and “beltway bandits” supporting the Open Air Brothel on the Potomac live in one of those two states.
Note: edited for correctness. Turns out I was wrong about Connecticut; Delaware and DC top the list regarding per-capita Federal tax burden, and have for years. My guess is that corporate taxes skew the per capita figure hugely for Delaware (a disproportionate number of corporations are based in Delaware); the same may be true for DC as well.
Hondo-a few years ago seven out of the 10 wealthiest counties in the U.S. were in the D.C. suburbs. That’s not because of all of the wealth they generate for the nation. I’m sure that Lars would regard the fact that those same counties overwhelmingly vote Democrat as just some bizarre coincidence.
I can break it down further, Hondo. In the PDRofMD, PG and Montgomery Counties are DC bedroom communities
– little walled islands of McMansions surrounded by Section 8 housing. Baltimore County and City also receive lots of Uncle Sam’s sugar. These three counties and one city ruin the entire state.
You left out Howard and Anne Arundel Counties. Both have a fair number of DC commuters, too.
CA is also run by an idiot Governor who wants to give more handouts to illegal aliens while ignoring the current homeless.
Explain our disintegrating roads and failing schools, dickhead. And then please share your thoughts on our criminally-neglected land management. And our dams that are disasters waiting to happen. And the civic disaster that is San Francisco.
Oh, you mean San Foo-foo where you can be fined for leaving your Dog’s excrement on the sidewalk, but if you yourself want to shit on the sidewalk that’s just fine. Also DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT possessing or using a plastic straw there, but plastic syringes? Help yourself! Vaping is illegal there, but shoot up on the drug of your choice as you please there!
Emperor Norton I is spinning in his grave at the state of his beloved San Francisco.
Looks like he might have been reincarnated fairly recently:
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Emperor_Norton_II
He works as a cook. Well, according to the Gospels, whoever is the least is the greatest. He might be onto something.
“Compliments to the Emperor!”
Here is a video about him:
And how well have they managed CALPERS? How about the light rail project that seems to cost more and more each month?How many illegal aliens are getting “medi/medi” to cover for healthcare?
California is NOT a beacon of financial management… and hasn’t been for a long, long while.
In one part of California, the dogs have to be careful less they step on human poop.
https://www.businessinsider.com/federal-taxes-federal-services-difference-by-state-2019-1
Business Insider. Only slightly more credible than CNN. At least BI seems to be more comfortable with their business model being click-bait with no substance.
How’s that “Bullet Train” fiasco working out for you Cthulhu (alias: Lars, Poodle, Commissar, etc.)
The 2016 business plan estimated the entire project would cost $64 billion.
The authority (CHSRA) raised that to $77 billion in the 2018 business plan and added $2 billion to the estimate in 2019 and and now want to increase that amount by another $1.3 billion for a total cost of $80.3 billion.
Oh yeah, the new projected cost is expected to be $98.1 billion.
The “Golden State” is definitely fiscally responsible. /s
Hey, he gets wood every time he thinks about riding that train to nowhere (Modesto to Bakersfield) sometime in 2035.
BUT can they even build an inch at a time without wacko tree-huggers filing frivolous lawsuits?
But, but think about all those “woke” ambulance chasers who will be getting paid to bring those lawsuits. They will all be looking for fees from that 100 billion in tax dollars. That will be some stimulus for the SJW lawers among the 250K plus Commiefornia lawers.
MSG Eric, Kommiefornia was fun in the eighties, but now it’s a crap-in-the-street, homeless ridden, Airbnb, rent rates require scientific notation, nightmare. The only people who live there are rich media and tech types that pay their lawyers so they don’t pay taxes, criminals, and homeless. (Redding and parts of rural CA are nice, but SF/LA/SD are hellholes).
Conservative states can start bitching about bailouts when they start contributing more to the federal budget than they take out.
Blue states have been bailing out red states year in and year out for decades.
Prove it, jackass.
I live in a Blue State and they have been doing a pretty good job.
Granted, we are more moderate here and not as polarized on the left and right (minus university towns). We still have a few folks on both sides that bitch and complain about everything (as that is what they do), but most folks just overlook them. Oddly enough, it is the younger, more liberal and yet-to-be established folks (college age) that want the state to reopen (which it has started) so they can go back to work. The media is having a hard time reconciling with this fact as it is not in their narrative.
Granted the right wants it to reopen as well, but the media, as stated, is having a tough time spinning the narrative. I mean, hey, we all have to eat? Right?
Most of the issue (bitching) is from the wealthy left (but not always) or academic elite (always) who draw salaries and are able to kick back and work from home. It does not effect them. I do understand their caution in many cases, I do. And probably side with them more than not, but the fact remains that they do not have to work by the hour to get paid )i.e. – take risks).
We also do not have the population density of the far east and closer west coast. Odd how that works. It might be interesting for some of the blowhard politicians (on both sides) to get the fact that not everyone, while under their banner, is of their stripe or faces certain socioeconomic or geographical challenges. Or maybe they do?
Food for thought.
It has been a very long time since the Donks represented working people.
Some moderates get it done in certain places. As do a few liberals.
But those folks are usually in touch, open-minded and listen to people.
Good leaders, if you will.
They do not get caught up in the “they are bad” until right about election time.
Point being, they were elected to do a job and they are dong it. Unlike many others….
Links below. They were delayed because they needed moderator approval….
Dickhead.
Not sure why that was, Lars. Maybe a typo in your log-on? I approved it as soon as I saw it.
His post was in moderation because of the number of links that it had in it.
California is frakked up because people who think like you run it. And the more they roll left, the sooner they capsize and sink.
Komrade Kazoo, you have failed to persuade anyone, and are only helping to re-elect Trump. Keep honkin that kazoo you bizzare Klown.
Release the murders and rapists! Jail the beachgoers!
There’s a massive surplus of stupid in that state.
You know Lars your point on the other thread about how the duopoly screws us all over is well taken, though I would argue that one party is marginally less horrible than the other in this regard for a variety of reasons. But I’ll set that aside for the moment and address your point here which is that the blue states contribute more than they take.
Now the maps that I remember from years ago addressing this simply showed which states got more from the Federal government than they put in. of course, none of that seemed to take into account how military spending is skewed by how Wilson and FDR did all they could to establish bases in certain places and not others or how Social Security and Medicare spending skew the numbers for warm states where retirees spend at least half the year for things like tax purposes (among other things).
But don’t try to tell me that the Dems aren’t looking at using Federal funds to bail out the state employee pension systems in places like Illinois and California where they have been horrible mismanaged. If it comes to it I would frankly be poorer than have to deal with all of the Prog busybodies who constantly seem to think they know so much better than the rest of us about how we should live our lives, but I know they’ll only release the tax cattle very reluctantly. The Federal and State bureaucrats that the Prog technocrats rely on to try to enforce their preferred vision need to be kept happy and that’s a huge part of the game for the Dems.
Just to expand your point from my own observations in several states: I agree that at the national level, there has been little difference between the two major parties, or we could not be in the mess we are in. The current administration seems to be the exception.
However, at the local level there can be a huge difference between the parties. It is where I currently live and in the last two states where I lived and/or had business interests, plus observed the same in other states where family and friends reside. YMMV
Blue States need to clean up their shit. And Hack means that literally. You can’t walk down the street in San Francisco without stepping on a syringe or in a pile of human shit. Why go all the way to Haiti to see a shithole when you can see one here in America? And don’t blame that on Trump, it has been that way for years before he became President.
Why, the Progtards have turned a former great place into yet another shithole.
Like they always do.
And Marx-boi wants to do moar!
Not seeing how “progressive” policies create these shitholes, they go to a red state and vote for the same political party in the red state that turned the state they came from into a shit hole.
I’m seeing this in progress in Virginia, with many transplants from the northern part of the East Coast voting democrat and turning this state from being the red state it was when I first came here.
We’re doing fine right now based on riding on the success of Republican governors and legislatures. But, our current Democrat controlled state government wants to implement policies that will cause us to follow New York and California’s paths.
So, what’s the problem, Koalemos? Wouldn’t that just be an example of the Federal government implementing, “From each according to (their) ability, to each according to (their) need?” via taxation and spending policies?
Or, perhaps is it a reasonably foreseeable consequence of excessive taxation at the state and local level – which has caused many retirees to move elsewhere, taking their Social Security, Medicare, and other Federal pension and benefit spending with them? Along with the local Federal infrastructure to support same?
The insane policies also artificially inflates costs and salaries, putting the working poor and the middle class into much higher tax brackets. People making $100k live like hobos, but get taxed like “the rich”.
Insane.
And they demand the rest of us subsidize the stupidity by allowing their very real rich to write off their state taxes from their federal taxes.
No, assholes, no.
That’s the image I posted previous to your comment here, 14 states float the other 36 with respect to what they pay in versus what they get out of the federal government.
“bailing out”?
They are only contributing their fair share to states less fortunate than themselves.
“Blue states have been bailing out red states year in and year out for decades.”
Why? Could it be that the blue states themselves helped enact the federal laws that create this alleged imbalance?
Don’t let the facts get in the way of regurgita The Trump’s Propaganda….
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/
https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/donor-states/
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state
Interesting. US News & World Reports has a very different take on the most recent Wallethub study concerning state government efficiency:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-03-26/red-states-get-better-return-on-taxpayer-dollars-study-says
You and your idiot associates have made a catastrophe out of a formerly prosperous California. It is only going to get worse, as your ilk only create misery.
Interestingly enough, Koalemos (AKA Commissar AKA Poodle AKA Seagull AKA Cthulhu): the Wikipedia article you cited shows that on a per capita basis California residents had a smaller Federal tax burden in Fiscal Year 2015 than residents of either Arkansas or Missouri. Specifically, California’s per capita Federal tax burden was $10,408 – while Missouri’s was $10,551 and Arkansas’ was $10,917.
The same is true of the comparison of California’s total Federal taxes as a share of GSP for Fiscal 2015. California’s total Federal taxes in Fiscal 2015 were a lower percentage of GSP than those of Kentucky, Louisiana, South Dakota, Georgia, Texas, Indiana, Wisconsin, Kansas, Oklahoma, Florida, Missouri, Arkansas, and several other states.
So, please: spare us the “California contributes more to Federal income than anyone” BS. On a per capita basis, or as a percentage of GSP, California decidedly does not.
The only reason California’s aggregate Federal revenue numbers are so high is the fact that California is the most populous state by a large margin. For that reason alone, since Federal tax rates are the same nationwide one would expect California to have the largest numbers relating to total Federal taxes collected.
Sheesh – do you even bother to read the references you cite for content? Details in the Wikipedia article you cited undercut your argument. And two of the others you provided are either 5+ years old or are not even the most current relevant article by the source.
Hondo… you know that the Free Shit Army needs to get their Free Shit anyway possible… even at your expense.
This is a common theme among those on the left that I’ve argued against. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve used their reference against them. This is a sign that they feel like they’re losing control. In the mad rush to “regain control”, they do a quick search then snatch up the link that they think bolsters their case. They are in a hurry to get that reply in. This indicates issues with both anger and control.
No politician of any party in any state at any level ever met a tax they didn’t like. They will all take and take until there is no more to take. Until the people who do not bother to vote, get off their asses, join with the ones of us that are fed up with it, the situation will not change. There is almost as many people who don’t vote as do vote and the politicians know this and exploit it to their advantage. That should be obvious by the numbers of them that have made a career out of being on the grubmint payroll.
Fire them all…hire new ones…TERM LIMITS!!!
2016 Presidential Campaign Slogans:
DEM – STRONGER TOGETHER
REP – MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN
Is a slogan a LIE, when they behave the opposite way,
just because they lost?
Or, was STRONGER TOGETHER a lie (a hoax?) from the very beginning?
They don’t really believe their own shit. Obama was supposed to be “Change we can believe in.”
I thought Obama’s “hope and change” slogan referred to all that would be left in your wallet after he was through “remaking” the US economy.
The majority on the left believed that he would deliver on hope and change. Many on the left still believe that he delivered on that hope and change, see the US as changed by Obama as the real US, and are lambasting President Trump for “destroying America”. If they knew what America really is about, they’d be conservatives.
I thought libs like Lars love taxing the rich, and that, after all, is what this argument is all about. Those “donor” states have greater concentrations of wealthy and upper-middle class individuals and the business entities that create their wealth than the so-called “taker states” that Lars so disparages.
Higher income citizens everywhere tend to pay more in federal taxes than they receive back in services and benefits from the federal government, while poor folks, thanks to the myriad federally funded welfare programs, tend to benefit disproportionately.
In most of the red states there’s a smaller segment of people of higher income to contribute and a larger proportion of the receivers of government largess, thus the imbalance.
The incompetence of Blue States in managing their their internal systems is a separate problem and not one that should be borne by the citizens of better managed states.
Lars, isn’t helping the needy what you “feeling” liberals are supposed to be all about? Why this constant carping from you about us Red State deplorables being a heavy burden for poor California to bear? After all, it’s a rare example of liberals actually living up to their supposed principles.
While kicking and screaming it’s unfair…
Libs like Lars have NEVER come across another tax or fee increase they didn’t like.
“Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets.” – Ronald Reagan
An old article, 2013. Texas governor went to California in bid to attract business from California to Texas. One argument that he had was that Texas has a better business environment than California:
https://www.newsmax.com/US/California-v-Texas/2013/02/11/id/489847/
The middle class has been fleeing California for years now. If you listen to Adam Carolla’s podcast he talks about this constantly-he wants to leave for greener pastures and says he will when his kids graduate school. Watch any home renovation show set in California and you will see that what is a modest house anywhere else in the country is at least $700k there and you start to understand why people are leaving. Carolla talks about how the house he grew up in in North Hollywood sold for several hundred thousand dollars just so developers could tear it down to have the lot for new houses. The place is a golden mirage.
Many of them don’t understand that it’s “progressive” policies that make that happen. Many of them go to the destination state then vote for the same politicians that advocate policies that would bring about the economic environment they escaped from.
I just happened to look up the house I lived in in Westminster, CA. in the late ’50s. It was a lower middle-class neighborhood at the time, and all the houses were only a year or two old. The current property valuation is $665,458. The estimated sale price is $700,000+. In 1993 it sold for $185,000. It has been remodeled and the lawn is now nonexistant and the house bigger, but it looks pretty good for a 65+ year old house.
This internet thing is truly awesome.
The blue states pay more in taxes as they have more rich people in those states than in the red states. The left likes to argue that the blue states pay more to the federal government while leaving out this key factor. By arguing this position, they have to acknowledge the conservative argument that the rich pay more in taxes than those who are not rich, or as rich.
However, when looking at state budgets, the red states don’t have as big a budget as the blue states. So when the federal government provides money to the states, math would show that the red states get more, percentage wise, than the blue states. The blue states generally have bigger budgets to pay for programs the left supports.
Again, this supports the argument, from the right, that the blue states are big spenders. Both of these arguments, that the blue states pay more taxes, and the red states get “more” from the government, are non arguments and don’t factor in realities that explain why this is the case. If they did, they’d bolster the conservative argument:
https://thefederalist.com/2017/11/17/red-states-tax-takers-blue-states-tax-makers/
In my city, the next big source of income is real estate tax. This combined with property tax forms a sizeable share of cash inflow. The biggest cash disbursement? Education. If this is similar to cities across the nation, property owners in blue states would really be screwed.
“Progressive” policies are bad for the country. These blue states really need to embrace conservative policies, to include pro free market policies. This is a part of the reason to why President Trump argued for a limit on state and local tax deductions.
Taxpayers in the rest of the country should not have to eat the cost of “progressive” policies:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-federal-government-cannot-bail-out-the-blue-states
Next after federal and state allocated money.
Bringing destructive leftist voting patterns from blue states to red states.
https://lidblog.com/democrats-fleeing-blue-states/
Leaving New York? Hmmm, aren’t you due a tax audit?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-goes-after-residents-fleeing-overtaxed-blue-state-for-low-tax-states-with-intrusive-audits
Fox News segment on people leaving blue states: