Les Brown’s DD-214
Les Brown
We have previously written about Les Brown and his service claims here: https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=89053
To recap, Les Brown is the Commander of the POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association in Elko Nevada.
We have not heard a peep out of ol’ Les in his own defense.
It seems that Tom Wulf, the Vice Commander has mounted a strong defense of his Commander and jumped both feet into the discussion.
Tom Wulf
Wulf stated that the National Personnel Records Center results are not valid because he is an expert on DD-214s. He further claims that he wants to see something he calls the “Classified DD-214” before he will be convinced.
This is an odd request. If Mr. Wulf is an expert as he claims, he would have to know that this is an impossible request because it is completely fabricated misnomer. Not sure why he stopped there – he could have required that it be delivered by someone riding a unicorn.
In any case, one of our research ninjas came up with Lester Kent Brown’s DD 214 from 1992 when he went on Active Duty for about nine (9) days as part of ‘Operation Garden Plot.’
This DD214 is publicly available information. Brown signed and submitted this document in 1999 to Elko County, Nevada.
Per policy, we do not post documents such as this because there is not a clean, verifiable chain of custody as we would get from the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC). However, it appears that this document accurately reflects what is on Brown’s NPRC Summary Sheet. Therefore, this would be the last DD-214 issued to him since they do not issue DD-214s at the conclusion of drilling reservist service – only active duty.
Looks as if he made SPC (E4) in 1989.
As you can see, NO Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB). Also, NO Ranger/Airborne/Special Forces Training listed on his DD214.
We doubt very seriously that he went to Airborne School/Ranger School or Special Forces Training AFTER 1992… meaning, he claims to have retired in 1998, which means he would have done all that training in a 6-year time span.
I’m going to go with “I DON’T THINK SO” for $200.
The US Army does not send folks to Airborne School/Ranger School at Benning unless there is a need.
Disclaimer: This document was NOT posted for Mr. Wulf’s benefit. As the Vice-Commander, Wulf has offered nothing but hot air in his defense of his Commander. It was posted for the benefit of the civilians in Elko Nevada who are still somewhat in doubt about Brown’s claims.
The POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association has scheduled an emergency meeting for Wed evening the 24th of July 2019. Can’t imagine what it’s about. Someone asked whether it could be live-streamed on Facebook.
Now THAT would be entertaining and would probably break Facebook.
Here is an excellent summary of Lester Kent Brown’s awards, courtesy of TAH contributor ‘Charles’:
Category: "Teh Stoopid"
Hey Les,
Less Les is more in this case.
Tell your friends they are not helping…if, in fact, you have any friends…
You’re welcome,
an old Sergeant Major
Steve. I just e-mailed this to Admin along with an enlarged snip photo of Tom Wulf whose e-mail is: consinnv2112@gmail.com in case anyone cases to jump into the fracas.
TAH Admin: Let’s run a FOIA on this Tom Wulf who took down his Facebook page. On their MIA Association page his vice commander photo beret contains a silver leaf. His vest contains both an Army MSgt insignia and it appears a Navy chief insignia. Also an Airborne crest. Some other stuff on it which I don’t recognize but my money says this is a nest of phonies.
A whole nest, CM? Does that mean we will find a Master, too 🙂
I really dispise posers
FOIA ordered already.
His Facebook page is still up. https://www.facebook.com/tom.wulf.3
I believe that FOIAs will be ordered for all of the officers to get a handle on what is what in regards to their organization.
FIRE MISSION, FIRE MISSION, FIRE MISSION!
This is gonna get real more gooder! Believe I’ll call the popcorn plant and tell them to open another packaging line.
Settle down, there King of Battle. This requires a more subtle approach…a Bangalore torpedo comes to mind!
But Pappy, a Time on Target will get POSer Bling scattered all over Hell and half of Nevada. I mean, after all, I ask for so very little. Puuuuuullleeeeeeaaazzzzeee?
We’ll wait for the results to come in to pull the lanyard.
When the Strike Mission is approved (and it WILL be) this will be a Combined Arms Assault.
this one requires a more…surgical…method…
like MLRS…I think a battalion mission…IDPCM in effect!
bwahahahahaha!
All y’all are funny
I am a veteran of the US Army. Sgt (promotable) 7 yrs of service. 19 Delta. I tried hard for getting a slot to go jump school but never got it.
Straight leg and proud. I hope to run into this Les Brown here someday. I will embaress his ass publicly
There is an issue with that DD-214, though. It does not appear to accurately show Brown’s prior active service. From other records it appears that Brown was on AD from 1978 through 1984. This SHOULD be reflected in block 12 line D “total prior active service” but it’s not. This is not an uncommon error and given that Brown was activated for a very short time (9 days) the clerk was probably in a hurry.
Nevertheless, “unforced errors” like this (and like the incorrect award of 2 NDSM’s for Brown, which is not possible) give the fakers and posers a thin justification to quibble the “official records” and perpetuate their lies.
What you point out is true. These clerks should apply a greater attention to detail.
However, it is ultimately Brown’s responsibility to review before he signs but it says “SOLDIER NOT AVAILABLE TO SIGN.” Even so, he should have requested the correction and should even still request the correction via a DD-215.
While he’s at it, he can get them to put his rank of E-8, jump school, Ranger training, etc.
Well, an eternal boot is an eternal boot and will not, under any circumstances accept accountability or responsibility for their own fuck ups.
Anyone who made Master Sergeant in the Army HAS to have their records in order. No exceptions, really, since the board is a “paper” board based solely on those records.
Having sat on such boards, I will just say that an incomplete record stands out like a spotlight and gets no points.
To claim to be a MSG and also claim your records are 8up is some sorry BS and anyone who would go there must be a sorry MFer.
The clerk preparing the 214 is not the authorizing agent. There are way too many glaring errors in this form to have been approved.
He might have qualified for two NDSM. My PEBD is 1983 to present and I have two on my DD214. Not sure of the periods for awarding them.
Never mind, just checked the dates for eligibility. 2 AUG 90 – 30 NOV 95, 11 SEP 01 – Present.
Correct. There have been exactly 4 NDSM periods: Korean War period, Vietnam war period, Gulf War period, and post 9/11 period (which is still ongoing AFAIK.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Service_Medal
Mathematically it is possible for someone to have 3 awards of the NDSM, but not all 4. When I deployed to Afghanistan in 2003 and Kuwait in 2004 there were a few (VERY few) Vietnam Vets still in service. Most were reservists/guardsmen who had extensive breaks in service and were approaching 59 years old, which I believe is mandatory retirement age for the military.
If those guys had also served at least one day of active duty during the Gulf War period (August 1990 through I think 1995) they would qualify for 3 awards of the NDSM.
Technically, it would also be possible for someone who was a Korean War vet to have received 3 awards if he served prior to 1954 (KW period), between 1961 – 1974 (VN Period) and at least one day of active duty after 08/02/1990 (Gulf War period.) I never heard of any Korean war vets serving in Desert Storm but as I said, it is technically possible (someone who was 18 years old in 1954 would have been born in 1936, which would have made him 54 years old in 1990. There were guys that age serving in the desert with me, usually older reservists or national guardsmen, but they were not common.)
However, Les Brown’s service only covered the Gulf War NDSM period. Even if Brown “retired” in 1998 (which some of his defenders have apparently claimed, though there is no paper that proves this) he still would not have qualified for that second award of the coveted NDSM.
Maybe at tonights meeting he will ask about correcting that with a DD-215.
You know, like doing the right thing.
Have his congressman expedite it with the stamp “congressional interest” and it will save time.
Fantasies are nice. They aren’t real, but they sometimes make life more pleasant.
Then reality sets in and you still have to do laundry, vacuum, and clean out the catbox.
I usually turn my fantasies into sci-fi or fantasy fiction, as entertainment for less fortunate souls.
Must be embarrassing has all get-out for Brown to be confronted when he’s been rocking this phony baloney for so long, he can’t let it go.
HV: But Boss! Why did you put him back on the plane?
RM: Tattoo, some fantasies are too stupidly absurd for this island.
It’s pronounced “plan!”
I also seem to remember Herve played a Bond villain’s lackey, but can’t remember the movie or villain.
So it appears (and I didn’t know this) that Operation Garden Plot was in reaction to the LA Riots in 1992…ala Rodney King.
I guess some Reserves got the call.
I was just about to Google what it was. Thanks. Makes sense they’d call up NG units for the riots.
The Governor activated some Army National Guard units and sent them to LA in response to the Rodney King riots. The LA PD and adjacent police forces could not control the rioters. The fire departments couldn’t even attempt to put out the fires because they were being fired upon. Apparently Lester’s MP company was activated and sent to LA. Maybe that is where he thinks he qualified for a CIB, cuz the natives were restless and shooting at the authorities.
Somebody had to direct traffic while the LEO’s where busy.
They should have activated more ROOFTOP KOREANS!-Google that-
No one messed with that section 🙂
“Can we all get along.” ~ Rodney King’s epitaph in Forest Lawn Memorial Park, LA County
“No amount of proof can convince an idiot.” – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
Well it says “UNOFFICIAL COPY” so clearly that’s just the de-classified stuff. Jeez you guys don’t know anything, do you? Thank God we have Tom Wulf, who is an expert on all things DD-214, who can come in here and school you all.
/s
Lawsuit threats are next….
has he hired his “lawer” yet?
I’m sure Forgin’ Frank is available… at $20.00/hr
well, the one he would likely hire is not available…LOL
Boy wouldn’t that be something? It would probably end up being right up there with the posts on Phil Monkress (partially thanks to Paul Wickre), Dennis Chevalier, and Frank Visconi in terms of convolution (though on a much smaller scale). As for the one you are thinking of, I don’t know if anything can top him in terms of how all over the place he was. I mean the guy was so out of control and always looking for a fight or causing trouble due to his shenanigans which he continued to do to the bitter end even when it was clear that he was on the losing side that Jonn had to set up a category specifically for him and his antics.
Well, it looks like ol’ Lester “grassed” out himself, as the Brits would say, when he recorded that document. Clearly, he would not have recorded it if it incorrectly stated his rank and decorations. Especially since he has another DD-214 for his active duty service that was issued when he left AD and out-processed.
The classified stuff must be on the back.
Good one!
It’s a good thing that Jonn had the foresight to require anyone accessing this page to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement. So now that we have all pinky sweared to not tattle, it is safe to post the classified DD-214.
Written in top secret invisible ink that can only be viewed in a top secret government facility under a top secret government light…because sekret skwirel!!
“The US Army does not send folks to Airborne School/Ranger School at Benning unless there is a need.“
If you’re already on TDY or stationed at Benning and they’ve got available slots you can always try a walk-on.
It helps to know the XO, and/or the CSM’s favoritest scotch.
He does have a NDSM with a Bronze Star device.
This is probably the DD-214 that was used for the NPRC summary of awards, and the NDSM x2 carried over.
Not possible for him to have earned that. Especially in 1992 when that DD-214 was issued. He would have to have enlisted and gone on active duty for at least one day in 1974 in order to qualify for two awards of the NDSM. As with the omission of his prior active service, this was a mistake on the part of whoever typed up the 214. The boilerplate on the DD-214 specifically states that “information contained is subject to computer matching” for “verification purposes” – IOW the document specifically states that the 214 by itself is NOT ‘proof’ of anything. And yet – the Army in its wisdom, uses the DD-214 for EXACTLY that: Proof of awards, rank, characterization of service, etc. People who have multiple active duty tours get a DD-214 for each specific period (this happens frequently in the Guard or Reserve – I have 5 DD-214’s myself.) Each time I was demobilized, I was told “Bring copies of your awards so they can put them on your 214, but also a previous 214 will suffice if you don’t have a copy.” Anyone with an IQ over room temperature can see that this process (which AFAIK was very common when soldiers were being demobilized from the GWOT and Iraq wars) is ripe for exploitation by fakers and embellishers. All you need to do is, when outprocessing, hand the clerk your “previous” DD-214 showing your Halls of Montezuma campaign ribbon, your Space Shuttle Door Gunner qualification badge and your 9 CIB’s and he will dutifully type them into his computer for your NEW DD-214, which then becomes the “official” one, and PRESTO! All your fake awards get transferred onto a “legit” DD-214. In truth, of course, the clerks are supposed to request verification, and the 214 is supposed to be signed off by an officer or senior NCO who verifies that what’s on it is accurate. In practice, though, units get rushed through demobe, clerks are under pressure to get everybody through and if it looks “good enough” to the clerk (usually a lower enlisted or GS-5 civilian), it… Read more »
Good points. I was mostly drawing attention to the NDSM x2 because it appears this is a mistake that keeps getting carried over.
Was going to comment on the 2 NDSM… he did not fall into the Vietnam Era for one so it’s impossible for him to have two.
Martinjmpr, thanks for clarifying the demanding qualification standards for receipt of the highly coveted Bronze Service Star on the NDSM. The honor and prestige which comes from wearing the NDSM w/ BSS puts me in elite company. I really despise vets who only served long enough to have a cup of coffee, taking gross liberties with the fabled NDSM. Those of us who served long and faithfully have been redeemed and salute you sir!
I am a member of that rare brotherhood as well since I served in both the Gulf War period and the post 9/11 period.
“We few, we happy few, we band of brothers…” 😀
Me three. I went in, in 1983 after Grenada and then left 2007.
Me four! I went in in 1991 and then in 2007.
Me five: tail end of VN in 73 and beginning of Desert Storm/Shield; etc in 94.
Heck, that almost sounds like an Indian Wars vet!
Did you know Lt. Custer?
Yup knew him when he was the “goat” at the Point. But he made Major General while I never made it higher than Lieutenant (and his POW — I’m sure you’ve seen the albumen print).
Lt. James B. Washington
CSA
Same here – Gulf War period and Post 9/11.
I had to check my DD-214 and yep, it’s there but written as:
“NATIONAL DEFENSE SERVICE MEDAL(2)”
They could have written w/bronze star but I’ve got so much to cram in my Block 13 and its subsequent spillover into Block 18 with “CONT FROM BLK 13:” I can see why they did it that way.
Anybody else have these kinds of “space issues” on their DD-214?
Getting there.
Me – Vietnam era – I’m going to put five on mine. Try and stop me!!!!!
Go ahead Ex, but please don’t appoint yourself commander of any “awareness association.” All those stars might go to your head and next thing you know you’re wearing a leather vest with lots of bling and itching to ride a motorcycle.
What? No COSMIC TOP SECRET cover sheet?
Pffft. Weak
See how much fun COSMIC TOP SECRET is?
Somewhere at NATO HQ in the mid-50’s, there was an imaginative young NCO who had just watched Forbidden Planet. He was in the right place at the right time to put into a colonel’s briefing that a new level of TS above TS-SCI was needed and it was to be called “COSMIC.” I would like to find that man.
When Tom Wulf’s shit comes back from the FOIA request, he’d better hope there’s a COSMIC TOP SECRET ATOMAL Cover Sheet on it, cause there’s gonna be some real scrutiny applied to it./smile
Would love to be a fly on the wall at either and/or both of those meetings.
I don’t think I was the only Service Member shown a draft copy of his DD-214, told to review it, and when the final copy was typed up, told to review it BEFORE I signed it. I have a folded up original and there is an original copy on file at the Court House.
I have enjoyed the reparte’ of the sockpuppetry of late. Entertainments been at a low ebb.
Still have the original I signed at DEROS.
Also the DD-215 and fresh DD-214 that added three (count em), three bronze service stars for my VSM many years later. Who knew?
I don’t think there is going to be a second meeting.
The stars on your VSM are not “service stars.” They are campaign stars and are supposed to resent the number of campaigns during your tour in the RVN. They have nothing to do with actual service as part of the campaign. For example, I have one for the campaign that included the Cambodian incursion, but I was only in RVN for about a week when it came to an end. I had nothing to do with that campaign, as I was in An Khe going through the week of initial training.
Pretty sure the DD-215 says service stars. Lemme open the safe and I will get back to you
OK I’m back with the DD-215 in front of me.
ITEM NO. 24 CORRECTED TO READ
DELETE: VSM
ADD: VIETNAM SERVICE MEDAL WITH 3 BRONZE SERVICE STAR/NOTHING FOLLOWS
29 DECEMBER 1988
Welp, we’re both right because the service stars/campaign stars represent service in the RVN during its various campaign periods. You were apparently present there during three of them.
Yeah, I know what you are saying and I agree.
Since they’re the same size (service stars on the NDSM, AFEM, etc. and campaign stars on campaign medals), I’ve seen the terms used interchangeably.
They are interchangable physically as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Service_Medal
Note the link to “service star” under devices.
3/16″ Bronze Campaign Star same/same as 3/16″ Bronze Service Star./s
Here’s your FSN/NSN:
8455-00-261-4506
I have more jump experience than Less whom has less than less which=zero. I made the parachute jump at Coney Island Circa 1955. I hope he’s not related to the real Les Brown, Man of Renoun. At least this comment is a little Less than some of the others where I had to change the Less than fully inked ribbon on the key board.
I never jumped. Never the Less….I did deploy a lot of parachutes with pop flares.
What are you complaining about now?
I had to endure the horror of a 20-foot drop in a parachute harness into a pool of water, in a jumpsuit in front of guys!! EEEWWWWW! I am still traumatized by it. I have to have a refrigerator to hang onto just to get to the top shelves of my cupboards!
Wonder where Tom Wulf fits in as far as his bragging rights in his position.
It’s a tie with him and Less (sic).
Both are shameless assholes.
Not knowing how this meeting is going to go down, Tom Wulf could emerge as the next Commander of the POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association.
I’m thinking that his unprecidented expertise on DD-214s should rocket him into being the first consideration.
I would like to hear from the Chaplain.
Sometimes “less is more,” but in this case it’s pretty clear that Les is less. 😉
well, he does seem to be an assjack, so he has that going for him…
Does all this mean he’s getting “The Band of Renown” back together if he gets kicked to the curb?
Let me throw my two cents into this for what it’s worth.
I just checked out the “Board and Staff” page on the “POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association” website.
Vice Director/Commander
Tom Wulf “Top” is wearing a gold E-7 pin on the right side of his vest (interesting enough, is that three out of the six staff members are also wearing gold E-7 pins).
Tom Wulf’s nickname is “Top” which normally means “1SG” or “First sergeant” in the Army, yet he is wearing a E-7 pin.
He has a Lieutenant Colonel pin on his Army flash on his beret.
On the left side of his vest, he has an 82nd Airborne pin ( but no jump wings).
Also, and forgive me all of you seafarers cuz I’m just a lowly Army grunt, it appears to be a “Crow pin” (1st First Class Petty Officer pin).
Sooooooo, my question is, what the flock is up with Tom Wulf “Top” of the “POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association”.
So this along with his DD214 comments makes me have a few questions about his military service.
Wouldn’t be the first time friends of a feather flock together.
http://www.elkonvpowmia.org/Tom.jpg
http://www.elkonvpowmia.org/board.html
He did say in the other thread that he had time in both the USN and USA and wore pins reflecting his highest rank held in each. Navy E-6 pin and Army E-7 jive with that story.
It’s also possible, giving him the full benefit of the doubt, that he was an E-7 filling a 1SG billet. I’ve heard of that.
Wow Mason, I didn’t realize that the original thread took on a life of it’s own with over 300 comments!!
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=89053
I haven’t covered much of the “new” comments that were written since the last time I was there, but it does appear Tom Wulf “Top” aka “Phoenix” likes running his suck by saying he knows more about military records/awards than anyone on TAH.
This could get more interesting. (smile)
That one almost got away from me too. Luckily I caught the sock puppet by all the activity in the thread in the recent comments block.
Which one has the best example of how to wear the Beret?
We had bus driver and cunt caps when I was AD.
Thank God.
This will take you to a photo of Lauren Bacall wearing a beret properly
https://www.lipsticklettucelycra.co.uk/blog/2011/11/02/3-ways-to-wear-a-beret/
Ex-PH2 I don’t me to slight Lauren, but I believe this guy wears the beret the best of anyone. (smile)
Who knew round ranger could rap.
Now there is a HUUUGE difference between a beret and a chef’s tocque.
Here are some other Kool ways to wear a beret. (smile)
Sounds like a Wulf in sheeps clothing Skyjumper.
I see Lauren but where is Bogie. Maybe he’s aboard the Bold Venture.
Or the African Queen with Katherine.
Hooking up with Dorothy Malone in “The Big Sleep” – she’s got the “naughty librarian” thing going…
At the risk of incurring the wrath of the assorted Lionesses of TAH, and in his honor I quote IDC SARC “I’d hit it!”
Who says guys don’t make passes at girls that wear glasses?
Brother… I’m with you on that. Dorothy Malone was HOT in that scene.
Whoever made that comment on Facebook about live streaming is a fokking genius. The_besig…was that you buddy?
Maybe he made it to Cadet MSG in high school JROTC, thus his claim.
Well, since it is a private association they can assume any rank structure they want.
Lester Brown, as the “Director/Commander” (President, Grand PooBah) decided to wear the eagle of a Colonel (O-6). His “Vice-Director/Commander” would then logically be one grade lower: Lieutenant Colonel. The same logic would say that the other staff should designate themselves Major or Captain (and I saw railroad tracks on the vest of the Treasurer).
If keeping true to form, the Secretary should probably be a Specialist Four.
I guess if they wanted, Lester Brown could have declared himself a Five Star General, with the lesser functionaries being “mere” four star, three star, two star, one star generals.
Then they could advertise:
“Join the Elko POW MIA Awareness Association, and … YOU get a star … and YOU get a Star …”.
Still leaving the Secretary a Specialist Four.
[Admin, check your email].
But do you get to wear Wells Lamont gloves during Color Guard?
https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=45961&cpage=1
Color GuardHonor Guard. Sorry, memories playing tricks on me.But check out the comments @ that link. Gold, Jerry, gold!
Is that Phoney Baloney Toney and those pieces of shit, the International Order of Oddfellows?
Oh, and I couldn’t help but notice that the DD-214 was filed by Specialist Four Lester Kent Brown on October 27, 1999. That would have been AFTER his purported retirement as a Master Sergeant following 20 years of active duty.
He apparently spurred someone into action in the beautiful city of Elko, in Elko County, to go to the courthouse where — wait for it — he is shown as being employed as bailiff for the Elko City Court.
I wonder what claims of military service Les made on his application for that position?
Someone tell Les Brown that McDonald’s is ALWAYS hiring!
Brucie’s Bath House (Entrance in the Rear) is always looking for Apprentice Towel Fluffers.
he wants the highly coveted position of assjacker in chief.
his subtle methods include kissassing and latex crowbars…
They always need a “pivot man” at Brucies….
Well, we have to give credit where credit is due. Lester and his sockpuppet have inspired 400 comments on this site.
Anyone heard from Hondo on this matter, or any other matter lately?
400? What is the record?
Well, doesn’t matter. Forgin’ Frank would have added to it out of habit.
I’m guessing that one of the posts about QuEeFeRs, Bernath, Forgin’ Frank, Phildo, Psul/Palmer of the Ballsack or any other Original DRG member is in the 4 digit range.
And that’s not even counting the comments written in Viking.
(Hey ya left out Chevyliar and The Round Ranger…oh, and Ballduster McSoulpatch)
“Hello, Round Ranger! How are the dancing lessons with the wife going?
Oops, sorry.”
I’m thinking that right now Hondo is just sitting back with an adult beverage and a dog turd cigar just watching his well taught TAH Miscreant Dickweeds take care of business.
Maybe, just maybe, when Tom Wulf’s classified DD214 results make an appearance/post, he will honor us with a few comments directed toward the self proclaimed expert who knows more about Army records than anyone he has encountered here on TAH.
Till then, it’s good to be King.
(Smile)
It is good to be king.
Thanks, Thomas Earl. RIP.
Dammit,
it’s the Carlin City Court, where he was a part-time and later full time bailiff, in Elko County.
[One of these days I’m going to get an admin to talk to me about posting .pdf submissions and editing rights. Just sayin’]
Guys/Ladies,
The phonies are really getting to me. I’m not a wuss, but the shenanigans that the clowns pull really hit me. Acid reflux.
John W
Get some cookies and a hot beverage and settle in with a good book, JWright.
There are more people claiming Vietnam service now than were actually in the military during the Vietnam era. Some of them weren’t even out of diapers at the time, which makes it interesting.
I recommend a large dram of Canadian Club 12 year old whisky. Neat, in a Glencairn glass. Sip until you forget about the phonies.
In the above photo his face looks like he is holding a dead puppy and is about to cry.
Fake crocodile tears.
Lies Brown has a nice ring to it….
Wonder if Mr Wulf realizes that he has put a big assed bulls eye on his own back for scrutiny as to his possible claims of Glory.
Apparently, there will be a Classified, hidden period of his active duty time that the public won’t get to see. All they will see is a National Guardsman attached to a Transportation Company.
Tom Wulf has already floated the idea that there is more… much, much more when he suggested that he has a “Classified DD-214.”
I wonder if he was sheep-dipped by the CIA in preparation for all the clandestine cloak and dagger work he was doing?
It really sounds like Les Brown and Tom Wulf have more military service experience in Elko Nevada than the guy that works as a bagger at the Piggly-WIgley or the sandwich artist at Subway. My guess is that they bully people to give them a wide path with all things military, which is why they are quoted in the newspaper in regard to Bin Laden and other things they are deemed subject matter experts on. When they get around vets that challenge their BS they have a meltdown.
Make no mistake – the very foundation of the “Awareness Association” is under fire.
If you need foundation work done, who better to call than an Engineer!
*Digs hole and places two cratering charges*
FIRE IN THE HOLE!
FIRE IN THE HOLE!
FIRE IN THE HOLE!
*Pulls pin*
*KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Comment #100 (Halfway to the Big Show)
I’m wondering if Les Brown will go skinny-dipping in the Elko Hot Hole after tonight’s meeting?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I’m wondering who’s going to wear the wire.
Although the city of Berkeley CA would frown upon me using the term “man hole” I will put forth that this could be Les Brown’s man hole after the meeting.
Steamed.
Reamed.
Creamed.
Just a couple of loser’s that have each other’s back.
Flush the bowl and the turds will go away.
On the official POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association website dated 14 Aug 2015, Les Brown is wearing the CIB in his “official” photo. It is captioned: “Senior Advisor & Norther Nevada State Coordinator for the National League of POW MIA Families: Les Brown ~ “Sgt. Grumpy”
Les has some splainin’ to do.
From Wikipedia:
How can anyone look at a POW/MIA flag now and not think of this toilet brush?
The damage done…
HEY, he even has a little yellow star JUST LIKE the members of a JROTC Honor Unit With Distinction wear, talk about some diverse bling!
Les also has the same photo years earlier posted and captioned as “Director/Commanding Officer.”
So why do they (him actually) call him Sgt Grumpy?
Is that like George Costanza insisting he be called T-bone?
You don’t get to make up a nickname. It is assigned by others.
He just aquired a few more……
Can we start calling him KoKo?
From Tom Wulf via an email last night:
ADMIN-MP: “Again, these questions have all been answered or you can answer them yourself by simply referring to the site.”
TOM WULF: Totally false. I notice (and some people I correspond with have noticed) that you refuse to address MOST of my questions.
I have never seen anyone on either site address my completely correct observations concerning the Army’s 2-1 Training File, you keep claiming that MSG Brown claims to have served 20 years yet you never provide any evidence that he has made this claim, and you provide zero evidence that the NA Form 13164 is from his only DD-214 or even his last one. You keep insisting that MSG Brown is lying, but here’s the problem. I have personally seen his Retired Military ID Card, and it shows him as a MSG.
If he left the military as an E-4, how did he convince someone operating an ID Card machine to show him as an E-8? Every time I’ve had a military ID Card made, the person operating that machine looked up my information for themselves, all I provided was documents sufficient to establish my identity.
As for your constant demands that I provide documentation to you (Or that MSG Brown does so) – no way. The next step in your game is to refuse to accept said documentation and insist that is fabricated. There isn’t anything in the world that I could send you that you would accept.
He has a military ID card? Like this one that anyone can buy for less than 50 bucks? http://www.magnoliprops.com/us-military-id-other-ids-p-521.html
It doesn’t address the fact that Les HIMSELF submitted his DD-214 to the county courthouse stating that he was an E-4 AFTER he supposedly retired as an E-8.
So, the meeting went well.
I guess that wraps it up and the general membership meeting will proceed as usual.
Nothing to see here…
Since WHEN has anyone leaving active duty been able to retain a military ID card????
WHEN???
Especially now, with so much fraud going on, if this asswip Brown still has an AD military ID card when he is NO LONGER IN THE MILITARY, PERIOD, someone in the Real World should be looking into that.
Les has a fake card. He needs to answer to the FBI about where he got it and what he has obtained with it.
Tomorrow is an important milestone for TAH.
It is fitting that this particular case has garnered so much comment. I hope that it continues to it’s logical conclusion.
Yeah, and I see that the “claim” is that it’s a retired military ID, but again, how did he do that when he did NOT have enough years to retire??????
Someone has some ‘SPLAININ’ to do!
It’s not uncommon for service members to take “terminal leave” when they separate from the military. In fact, I would say most people who ETS or retire probably take at least some terminal leave.
Which means that when they drive away from that post/camp/base, they are actually still on active duty and must keep their ID card.
There’s probably a reg somewhere that says they’re supposed to turn in or destroy their ID card after their retirement or separation date, but I’ve never seen it actually happen.
I don’t know about now, but when I retired in 2005 the Reserve Components (Military reserves and National guard) didn’t have CAC cards (the white one with the computer chip on it.) We only had those when we were mobilized and when we de-mobed we had to turn in our CAC cards and had them replaced with the older style pink ID cards.
Even after I retired, I still had my pink NG ID card until I went to the local AFB to get my retiree ID card, of course they made me turn in my old ID card to get the new one.
So a soldier having an ID card after his separation from service is by no means an unusual thing.
There’s also an added wrinkle since the early 2000s: Because of concerns about possible health issues related to a deployment, many reserve component soldiers are also issued Veterans Administration health care ID cards when they are demobilized from active duty. I think we were entitled to something like 6 months of free health care through the VA following our mobilization which ended in 2004.
The VA health care card looks very much like an old style military ID card (i.e. a pre-CAC card) and although I think I finally shredded mine, there is no procedure in place that actually requires a service member to turn their old, expired VA health card in. I could see that card being mistaken for a “military ID” by someone who didn’t know what a real military ID looks like.
Disabled T/P vets have a military ID card with no expiration date. It is a tan color with photo and digital scan matrix on the back.
Not sure if that is still the case.
I received my first CAC when I mobilized for OIF II. When demobing at Drum, I received a new CAC showing my new rank. I was never issued another pink card.
Somehow I don’t think ol’ Lester had over four years of terminal leave to qualify for the twenty years needed for retirement. Also, since he was supposedly booted from the National Guard for missing drills, I doubt he had the requisite number of good years qualifying him for a reserve component retirement. Anyone thinking Lester could have had the requisite years of service for retirement is deluding themselves. Except for 66 months of AD, Lester spent the rest to his service in the reserve components.
Les did get another six months AD when his unit was activated to go to Germany during Desert Storm. So he has six years AD and about 10 years in the reserve components, but we have no idea about how many of those were even “good years” qualifying for retirement from reserve components. If one misses a few week end training drills or summer camp during a year, that year does not qualify towards retirement pay, which one doesn’t get until reaching 60, anyway.
Tom Wulf- Don’t you find it interesting that you are carrying Les Brown’s water?
Why isn’t Les Brown trying to defend himself? Stop and engage your brain for a minute. If what you say is true about Less Brown, do you think Less Brown would be all over this situation and correct what has been reported in these pages. If you are his spokesman, why don’t you send in the information on his behalf? Your involvement is very weird.
I’d love to show Tom my seal team 6 ID card. I’m sure he would be very impressed.
He’s got a pin for jump wings in that photo, right?
If you want to put a stop to this nonsense, take him on a skydiving trip for free. See how long it takes him to go running back to his seat in the plane.
Give him a chute from an 81mm illumination round.
“jump wings”
And a Master Parachutist at that!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachutist_Badge_(United_States)
Hey, I can buy a WWII Glider Pilot badge on ebay, but that don’t mean I’m a licensed glider pilot or a WWII glider pilot, does it?
No, it does not.
I find it to be very telling that “Tom Wulf” is more interested in defending Brown’s reputation than Brown himself is.
I’m sure Brown knows that if he were to post here, he’d get asked some questions he has no way to answer, and unlike his buddies in Elko, we aren’t so easily fooled.
Odd, innit, that a guy who claims to be a badass hero is letting someone else do his fighting for him?
I wonder what is under his skirt.
Waiting on the FOIA to come back “classified”,
Good ol’ Tommie may be left holding the proverbial bag if Les knows he is backed into a corner and decides to come clean. Tom may have to sharpen up the fork and knife and eat a little crow.
You are correct in that the ball is in Les’ court. He looks like he’s decided to huddle in the corner, tremble and shiver and hope it all passes soon. Hope is the strategy. With Tom Wulf leading the charge, Les has the option of distancing himself from his own defense by not making direct statements.
It is Les’s fight so what’s his move? Dig a deeper hole or come clean? If Tom Wulf is gullible enough to fight Les’ battles for him, this will only lead to Les taking a wait and see approach until he sees what happens to poor ol’ Tommie. Shows you a lot about Les’s character.
In addition to being a liar and a fraud, turns out that Les Brown is just your everyday run-of-the-mill coward.
Are you implying Les is going Blue Falcon on his bestie, Tommie, re Les’s predicament here and with MP? Tommie needs to learn that the innertube can be a cruel mistress indeed.
This is a case of selling “Wulf Tickets”.
Reminds me of Psul/Palmer of the Ballsack defending his buddy, Phildo.
I wonder if they’ll be a “I loved you like a bro” moment between Les and Tommi when the shit hits the fan?
I wonder how last night’s emergency hemorrhoidectomy went?
😀 😀 😀
update please!
I got up to piss four times and checked Drudge to see if it made the news.
The meeting…not the pissing.
Apologies to Sister Mary Grace.
Sister Mary Grace only cares whether or not you flushed the loo, Tootsie.
My guess is that Les Brown had a choice of having his buddies circle the wagons around him or choosing to not let them get tainted by his BS.
I’m guessing, based on Les’s character, he chose to hide behind his friends and let them take the brunt of the fallout. He probably painted it as “their” problem vs “his” problem and provided guidelines and talking points so they can weather the storm.
Someone should have at least asked Les for assurances that he is what he says he is.
Just look how he had Tom show up here and defend him. Probably told everyone that they needed to defend him or get out of the club. Maybe even doubled down by waiving around false documents, like the mythical “ID Card” with MSG on it(I’m REAL DEAL, Guys!). Wouldn’t be surprised if Tom has engaged in a little “arm twisting” to get others on-board.
How many times have we seen this… same story, different players.
Yep, we have not seen a public statement, so I guess the strategy is to huddle in the corner in a fetal position until it passes.
Guidelines:
* Don’t talk to the media.
* Don’t talk to the DA.
* Don’t talk to law enforcement.
* Do not honor search warrants.
* If things go south, burn all membership documents stored in the filing cabinets.
* Use BleachBit and hammers on all hard drives.
* Don’t make statements on my (Les) behalf, even if I (Les) told you something in the past.
* Donate money so that I (Les) can get together a “Bug Out” bag in case I have to leave town in a hurry. Cash, booze, solar charger, passport, rations, water, etc.
This POSer is still soiling the uniform, and B.F.ing to this day. If the editor of this article would be interested in that information you may contact me at the email provide. I do have documents to back up my claim.
Les is 59 yo. If he can make it to 59 1/2 he can withdraw his 401k without penalty.
So he has that going for him.
Is anybody in Midstate Nevada to go visit the “Association” at the General Membership Meeting tomorrow?
The National League of POW*MIA Families has been made aware of Les’ “situation.”
They are the primary organization that the POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association donates to.
It may not make a difference to them but they may want to consider the optics of having Les in the photo while presenting that giant donation check.
From the POW*MIA Elko Awareness Association – note the language “Most all”:
“other non cash items”
Nice
Yeah, a can of beans won’t fit in a Las Vegas slot machine… so they get channeled separately.
They also accept “services”
Apparently, vests were a big part of the emergency meeting.
Perhaps members were stripped of their rank and insignia?
YOU get a new patch….and YOU get a new patch… and YOU get new patch….
Oh, and check under your seat cushions because somebody special gets a really cool patch.
PATCHES!
WE DON’T HAVE NO PATCHES!
WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ PATCHES!
I’m sure that was for a “Vest Inspection” to make sure nobody else was wearing unearned awards and decorations on their vests.
Yeah, that’s it …
How can I get an Elko POW*MIA vest?
Do I have to go through a rigorous indoctrination or do I just have to have enough money to plunk down?
Can I also get some flair to go with it?
It will be a blank canvas until I paint a masterpiece.
Not just “some” flair.
You need at least 15 pieces of flair to be accepted as a member into the “Awareness Association.”/s
Once you have been “aware” for two years you will become “woke” and festooned with additional patches to indicate such.
Les Brown doubles Down:
https://elkodaily.com/news/local/local-head-of-pow-mia-under-fire/article_195a40c4-ee66-5db5-b5bc-7885b33384ac.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
“Believe me, not your lying eyes.”
Holy Moly, check out the mugshots in that paper
https://elkodaily.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/elko-county-jail-this-week-s-felony-arrests/collection_8db0e600-0d78-56b4-a8ec-eb23e75ff50b.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-2
Link to the post and comments about Lester Kent Brown on the Elko Daily Free Press page on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/elkodaily/posts/2430752340323463
UPDATE – OH OH! – Secretary Laura Adams of the Elko POW MIA has issued an official comment on the Elko Daily Free Press page on Facebook — [paste] (Laura Adams) — As an association this will be our only written statement about the false accusations against our Director Les Brown. First of all, we as an association stand behind him fully. We have all seen the documentation proving that all the claims against him are false and were made by people with limited information. If you are personally interested in seeing this documentation please attend a meeting or contact Les Brown personally. We do not feel it is necessary to provide personal information to the internet. We fully understand that there will be claims that this documentation does not exist, is fake or is altered, and that is their prerogative. The people that need to have it or need to know this documentation is authentic, already have it and already know. Our vests are another point we would like to talk about. Many of us have things on our vests that were given to us in memory of someone. We have pins and patches that we didn’t “earn” and we have never claimed to. We are NOT a Military ran organization and our Veterans are not in uniform. No laws or codes have been broken. Many of our members are not Military and have never claimed to be. We would also like to point out that we are not a motorcycle club or chapter. We use motorcycles as a tool to grab the public’s attention to bring awareness to the POW/MIA mission. Many in our association do not own bikes. Our goals as an association are clear: To bring awareness to our POW/MIA Military personnel and to help support the National League of POW/MIA Families and other local charities of our choice. We are guided by the principals of Freedom, Sacrifice, Liberty and Brotherhood to ensure that we maintain our focus on the issue at hand. Thank you…POW/MIA Elko Awareness Association. [end paste]
Link to the post and comments about Lester Kent Brown on the Elko Daily Free Press page on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/elkodaily/posts/2430752340323463
RIP US Marine LCPL Bravo. —- I have been informed that LES BROWN and the Elko POW MIA group performs an annual Bravo Memorial in Elko…. AND… that LES BROWN repeatedly spins LIES about his own (non-existent) combat at these memorials. It disgusts an Iraq Vet in Elko who has been visiting these memorial services each year, now sees all this going on with Les, and has reached out to me. — Shame on you, Les. — STOLEN VALOR — Perhaps someone ELSE should be holding these annual memorials for a heroic US Marine. — https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18261465/raul-samuel-bravo