Guns Can Fire By Themselves? Really?
Too early in the morning for my mind to take in this bout of fear and selfishness by other people, so I will leave the article and my summary for you.
https://freebeacon.com/issues/landlord-tells-harvard-student-move-legally-owned-guns/
Her roommates went into her room in her absence, went through her things, saw her MAGA hat, found her guns, called the cops who verified that the guns were in compliance, and decided to vote her out of the house. Her landlord says she either moves or pays the $6000 rent for roommates because they’re threatening to move.
It’s unfortunate that the lack of understanding held by her roommates toward her concerns about running into her abuser is trampled on by their personal fears. One of them thinks the guns will jump up and start firing by themselves.
You can’t make this crap up. She’s at Harvard. She’s not stupid. Her roommates are, however, at the bottom of the barrel in brain wattage.
There’s a photo of the young lady. Look at that and think of your own children, in or nearing adulthood now, and ask what you would do.
Category: "Teh Stoopid", "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves", Darwin Awards, Guns
Should be very cut and dry, based on the lease she signed. I wonder what clause the landlord thinks gives him the duty to intercede in a dispute among roommates?
She has a good payday coming her way. She won’t have to worry about rent for quite a while. She owns her roommates’ future earnings.
I was wondering if this was the sort of situation that gave every lawyer within a two-mile radius a raging boner, and not because of the client.
Hit the report by mistake.
I was going to say that this is Massachusetts, the odds of finding a lawyer willing to take her case is slim to none.
It’s Massholistan. She’s lucky she’s not UNDER the jail.
Unless the roommates are correct in that she didn’t store her weapons in a legal fashion, which is all the pretext needed for the landlord to say she was in violation of the law and void her lease.
Since everyone has cell phones with cameras these days, I have to imagine a bunch of Hahvahd types took pictures of the allegedly unlocked gun, including serial number.
Don’t get me wrong, I feel for this woman and think her roommates sound like a bunch of assholes, and I think we’re only getting a tiny bit of the story here,.. but I don’t anticipate a big payday coming her way.
Do you read ANYTHING for comprehension, LC?
The roommates called the cops, who said the guns were stored correctly. She WAS in compliance. Nowhere in that article does it say she was not.
Doesn’t matter. LC is the PIA in every class who plays the what-if game and works overtime to fashion some exception to every damn thing. Sometimes, a rock is just a rock and nothing more.
Or, you know, maybe it’s just that there are two contradictory statements in the article… I’m sorry noting that rains on your parade of complaining about liberal snowflakes.
What contradictory statements? Point them out.
Thank you for the reminder, Air Cav. It’s raining outside and I can’t go and play in traffic like I usually do.
You really have issues with any possible scenario other than your own, don’t you? Yes, the cops said the guns were stored correctly.. this seemingly being at a later date than when the students stated that Leyla said they they weren’t.
So maybe the students are making shit up – a distinct possibility – or maybe she was out of compliance earlier and that’s sufficient grounds, per the landlord’s discussion with his lawyer, to say she has to leave.
I gotta believe that if the landlord asked his lawyer for input, he’s doing his best not to open himself up to a slam-dunk lawsuit. Who knows? If she has an easy case, I hope she takes it up and we learn more.
No, you have a problem with accepting plain facts put in front of you, LC. You speculating unnecessarily on things, trying to muddy the waters instead of accepting plain speech.
You infer that Pirnie is at fault, when she was not. Her roommates were out to get rid of her and were looking for any excuse that would drive her out of their vicinity, including the MAGA cap and her home of origin and anything else they could find.
The apartment management company is ONLY looking at income loss and nothing else. Lewis wants her gone, so he has said if the others leave, she has to pay all the rent. That is punishment, however legal it may be in a lease, for doing nothing wrong other than having prejudiced roommates.
There is no reason at all to speculate on anything. Pirnie’s rights were violated by her roommates, period.
How would you like it if someone went through YOUR home to find something to use to accuse you falsely of something you didn’t do?
That’s what is going on here. Pirnie did NOT break the law. Her roommates simply didn’t want her there and violated HER rights to get rid of HER.
Ah yes, she likely has a case for the tort of intentional interference in contractual relations, assuming she had a direct agreement with the landlord. But once she has a judgment, she may have a little trouble collecting from two other students, as I assume they are likely not employed cuz they have rich mommies and daddies paying for them to go to Hahvahd.
What I remember about such leases when I was in college is that each member signed their own lease. If someone bailed from the apartment the landlord went after that person or found another body to fill the bed. But that was a long time ago.
Actually, this woman is better off not living with these twits.
Classic example of progressive thought in the quote that one roommate said “..fear took over her body and she felt compelled to search my room until she found proof…” because she (the roommate) had suspicions about someone from Alabama.
Progressives lecture about not casting people of different backgrounds or races as “the other” and reflexively thinking badly of them. Who will lecture these roommates about their behavior?
Unless you got stuck with an “each and severally” lease—if your roommate moved out, you owed for the whole lease.
All of my “college days” multi-person leases were such.
It depends on the company or landlord agreement. When my son moved out of the dorm and to a 4 BR apartment each room was a separate lease. So his rent remained the same if anybody moved out, but the company reserved the right to move somebody into the empty room/s at their discretion. Utilities were divided by however many were in the apartment. When my other son moved from dorm to apartment his lease was set up as 4 people signing one lease. Everybody shares the rent and utilities equally.
While I don’t know what the landlord/lessee rules are in Boston, as lessees, the landlord may have to right to retain their deposits if they break their leases before the end of the rental period.
Unless they can show that the landlord is violating some city codes, their personal fears are their problem.
I did break my lease when I bought my house, but when I did so, I notified my landlord in writing and quote every city code he had violated, including not making needed plumbing repairs to the 3rd floor bathroom, with photos of the mess showing water tracks in the ceiling going through the overhead light, and I got my deposit back as well as the interest he had not paid me in five years.
This young lady has the right to claim a whole bunch of violations against those “students” , including a search of her property that has to violate some local law. That they called the cops on her, and were told that she was in compliance, says that they need to be on the receiving end of some real serious penalties.
When I read that, I noticed the emphasis on the MAGA hat. That is probably what prompted those dopes to search her room.
Unless someone tells me otherwise, she’s within her rights and they are violating them. The landlord is only looking at money lost, nothing else.
“in the middle of studying for finals” ain’t a good time to be looking a room either.
And her name’s in the paper so if her her abuser really wants to find her, he has.
Than again, the would-be stalker now had some very good reasons to stay very far away….
Not necessarily, 11B. I’ll play devils advocate here because of a serious stalker experience (I’m not going into the details), there a few that can be very tenacious and no matter what, nothing short of two to the chest or law enforcements catching up to them will deter them from getting the adrenalin rush they get from the pursuit.
Concur
Had an acquaintance when I lived in Florida that fled Alaska to escape a problem person
Shitbag of course came calling, made threats, etc
Introduced her to a Ruger Security Six .357. She took to it like a duck to a pond, and bought one.
Day after she brought it home, dingleberry pounded in on her door well after dark.
(Leaving some details out)
Cops found him in the woods, whereupon he shrieked for help like a little girl. He denied the forced entry, but the turds on the mat matched his drawers, so to speak.no further visits.
I -love- a happy ending.
Wish these all were so simple. Another lady I knew got carved up by sword-wielding boyfriend. He went to slam, but that is cold comfort. She kept going back.
There is likely a long line of lawyers already lined up to take her case against the roommates, manager, and whoever else.
No doubt at all that the roommates conducted an illegal search of some sort. The local cops should be terrific witnesses of that. How often do burglars and thieves call the cops to document their crimes?
This is just nuts. Totally.
I’m looking forward to what follows this, 🙂 …a lot!
Oh, lest I forget, during the recent vote run in Illinois, several more counties put the ‘gun sanctuary county’ question on their ballots, and those counties were voted in as sanctuary counties. Others have that on the table now.
Hmm. Wonder if the lease has a clause specifically forbidding firearms on the property?
Because if it doesn’t – and the firearms are owned “in compliance” (presumably with state and local laws) as the police apparently verified – well . . . .
Sounds like that’s a no, Hondo. The roommates and landlord would have said as much. She will own the lot of them.
From what the article says, the landlord expects her to pay the rent if all the roommates move out. He said nothing about guns on premises, so it’s only about her paying or not paying.
Even if it didn’t, the courts are so jacked in MA it’s probably better if she doesn’t fight it, especially considering how much she’ll have to pony up for a lawyer willing to take her case.
There’s some conflicting information – I’m sure she legally owns them, but per the e-mail the other roommates wrote, they found her guns loaded and unlocked. That’s in violation of Massachusetts law, I think.
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So either the roommates are lying about that, or the police only checked if they were legally owned, or the police checked after they were secured.
Regardless, I’ve got to believe something else is going on in that house to lead a bunch of assholes to start searching through someone else’s stuff.
The roommates lied. The police said SHE WAS IN COMPLIANCE.
Nice to know that you pay no attention to anything. Remind me to NOT get into a car when you’re the driver. I don’t want to have to walk 50 miles to find the road because you got your ass lost on a goat track in the Swiss Alps.
He always sides the progs, cuz he is one himself/herself/xerself. As for elite Prog U, I wouldn’t have expected the woman’s room mates to have behaved any differently. They deserve a visit from a modern day Boston Strangler so they can learn first hand the utility of firearms for personal protection.
I actually said I side with her, just that if (as the roommates claim she told them) the weapons are stored loaded and unlocked, that’s enough for a landlord who is looking at losing rent to say, “Welp, you gotta leave.”
Again, the police came to inspect at her invitation – don’t you think that if she had previously stored her guns in an unlawful manner, she might be inclined to rectify that before the police show up?
Either way, her roommates seem ‘special’, and the whole situation sucks for her. I hope she lands on her feet in a better place.
Which flies in the face of the facts as we know them. Don’t you think that if she had stored her guns illegally the landlord would have evicted her for that? Instead he’s given her a choice
“That’s in violation of Massachusetts law, I think.” Who gives a shit? The case she has is a civil case that will bring her much money. Invasion of privacy is the tort and it’s just the start. She can also swear out a criminal complaint for their entering her room and rifling through her possessions. There will be no criminal case brought against the victim. She’s a smart woman. My guess is that she stored the weapon and ammo consistent with state law. If not, the snooping buttinskis’ say so otherwise is worth zip.
The fact that the police said she was “in compliance with all applicable laws” lends credence to that position, 2/17. As does the fact that her landlord acknowledged that in his email asking her to move out. From the DC article that spawned the above (emphasis added): Pirnie agreed to allowing the police to inspect her firearms and said she was told she is in compliance with all applicable laws. Lewis acknowledged the department’s conclusion that Pirnie was not breaking any gun laws in his email telling Pirnie to move out. Since MA has legal requirements for unattended in-home firearms storage, it would appear that “in compliance with all applicable laws” means she complied with those parts of MA law as well. The only alternative I can see would be that the police involved were either dishonest or incompetent, and I don’t see any support for that conclusion. Further, the email by a member of the B&E Gang (my term for Pirnie’s “roommates”) makes it clear that they expect the lady to store her firearms (1) with trigger locks installed, then also place them (2) inside a locked gun safe – presumably so they won’t be “as scary”. (FWIW: that same email is linked in the DC article, so there’s no need to use a link to the UK Daily Mail to find it.) Assuming the following link is correct, using both a gun lock and a gun safe for unattended weapons storage does not appear to be required by MA law. And since MA is one of those states that bans “high-capacity” weapons and the police inspected the weapons in question and gave them the lady a “thumbs up” for legal compliance, they’re obviously MA-legal weapons as well. http://www.mspnews.org/2015/11/storage-of-firearms-in-massachusetts/ Further, given the prevalance of camera-equipped cell phones (thanks, LC), it’s also quite a stretch to think that the B&E Gang (1) found an unsecured weapon, then (2) either neglected to photograph it or provide the photo of same to both the landlord and police. I’m thus forced to conclude that the B&E Gang member who wrote that email to… Read more »
My point was simply there are two contradictory statements, and it seems (but is not 100% clear) that the time the students went through her shit and found her weapons that they claim Leyla says are kept loaded and unlocked is different from when the police came to inspect, and found things in compliance.
You may be entirely correct in your statement that the B&E Gang were dissembling or severely misunderstood what LE told them, or both. My sympathies rest with the woman being kicked out. Even if there is evidence of unlocked, loaded weapons, getting kicked out on a technicality is pretty fucking lousy. But that tends to be how landlords handle situations like this.
If she’s got a case, I hope she sues.
She likely won’t sue because the ambulance chasers in Taxachussetts will know they are unlikely to collect any money from which they may deduct one third to 40% as their fee. She has no case, any way from a common law standpoint, against the landlord that amounts to serious money. He might be liable for her moving costs, plus a few bucks. Her roommates assets likely include their backpacks and books. Since I did the lawer shit for over 35 years, I know a thing or two about what is a viable case with a likely recovery of $$$$$. I have obtained five and six figure judgments that I couldn’t collect for my clients.
No, the B&E Gang were NOT dissembling, nor did they misunderstand anything. They had an agenda, they didn’t want her there, and were only looking for an excuse to shove her out the door.
THEY LIED. They had more fish stories than a tourist in the Florida Keys. They LIED.
The roommates found she owned a MAGA hat and was from Alabama. That’s all the evidence they needed to start a search apparently. One even said she wasn’t going to stop searching until she found something.
The roommates are crazy, insecure nitwits.
Proggy little bitches from elite Prog U did this. Is anyone here surprised. Her money would have been better spent going to Hillsdale College.
Massachusetts law…yep thass why I live in Dixie bitches. Loaded guns all the fukk over this hizzouz.
Reading comprehension, it’s a thing. You might try it. The roommates did not say that they found the guns loaded and unlocked. In their e-mail, they said, “As we understand it from speaking with Leyla, the firearms are all properly licensed and permitted, but are kept loaded and unlocked.” There is no requirement for her to keep her guns locked away when she’s present.
Only partially correct. If there’s a trigger lock on it, that satisfies the requirement.
And of course, the dipshits in MA are the ONLY state that has such a requirement.
Live free or die, bitches.
I’d hit it.
Uhm, try to look at her as if she were YOUR daughter and this happened to YOUR daughter, Papa.
I’d rather just endure swift punishment at your hands.
Oh, dear me! As much as I love you, I am NOT going to spank your monkey for you, SARC. You will just have to twist in the wind.
Usually you pay double for that kind of action, Cotton!
Ex-PH2, one is only as old as the women one feels….
Based upon your comments here, you would hit anything that was over 16 and qualified as a female homo sapiens. And I am giving you the benefit of the doubt for some species.
Kinda surprised that she still has the guns, as roommates sound like they are the type who were really looking for money and surprised they didn’t sell them on the street for either beer or drug money. Lets see roommates don’t like guns, maybe them and land lord need to be checked into as to any open assault cases on campus as this might have put fear in them, as to women being armed on campus, for any plans in the future. It is her private room and only she or the landlord can authorize the police to enter this area without search warrant. So now you have breaking and entry by roommates, illegal search by cops. If things work out right she owns the building now and in my mind the landlord and the roommates ought to move to La-La land or its subsidiary city here in this state and that ought to make them feel safer. Personally If she was properly trained to use the guns, I’d feel somewhat safer as to her having them and in safety of the residence, course I’d have to watch my mouth a lot more as those little round things hurt when they hit you so wouldn’t want to really piss her off.
Couple a years after AD I was living just off Commonwealth Ave. in Brighton. Third floor.
One day I hear a metalic noise outside my window and see a guy stuffing bolt cutters down his pants as he swings his leg over my roommates bike which he just stole from the car rack.
I grab my 20ga single shot and run through my roommates bedroom to the window and point the shotgun at the guys back as he rides down the alley.
Stop! or I’ll shoot..Blam! The bike shudders but he keeps going. My roommate freaks out.
Years later I meet a tenent that still lived there and he told me they never had anything stolen or cars broken into since I went full potato. Pretty sure I hit the guy but it was about 100 feet with #7 shot.
Not a smart thing to do in Boston.
His street name is now “BBs”.
I did a brief search for info about Massachusetts gun laws, but found this site with detailed info about MA knife laws.
https://knifeup.com/massachusetts-knife-law/
It seems you can carry guns either concealed or open in Massachusetts, but not knives. Knives must scare them. No dirks, no daggers, no Bowie knives – there go my plans for any possible visits to Renaissance Faires they might be planning to have.
Don’t sound like much sense trying to go fishing there then either as the filet knife and knife you have to clean the fish would most likely be illegal also. Wonder how those that hunt there skin and clean their game they bag.
The cops confiscated my Daisy Red Rider when I was twelve. So I got a .22LR instead.
So her roommates went creeping through her belongings in her own room behind her back? Right from the getgo, it sounds to me like she ain’t the problem. Never mind the subsequent stupidity.
That is stalking-level creepy.
It’s almost as though they were looking for an excuse to go all SJW on her, anyway. The fact that she’s from Alabama probably triggered their feewings… or some such thing.
The roomates should count their lucky stars that Leyla DIDN’T go all Alabama on them. Contrary to some beliefs, Southern Girls aren’t all Magnolia and Lace, hide behind the fans Miss Melanies. They will whip your ass with whatever comes to hand. The lawers will have a field day with this one.
I had commented on this when 26Limabeans posted it on the WOT (FIRST) yesterday. I had offered to provide Leyla with quarters, competent Attorney, a very good school right up the road (GO DAWGS!), and comforting in her time of need. He claimed the picture posted was not of her. I personally think that (a) he was jealous of my FIRST, (b) he was going to offer the same to her on his own behalf.
goarmybeatnavy
GO DAWGS! ROLL OVER TIDE
I wanted to be first alright but it had nothing to do with you or WOT.
I think that both you and Beans need adult supervision.
” … deprives us of the quiet enjoyment of the premise to which we are entitled …”
There’s that entitlement mentality … I hope Miss Leyla sues the CRAP out of them!!
The hypocrisy is stunning. They complain about being deprived “of the quiet enjoyment of the premise to which we are entitled,” but had no problem depriving that young lady of her privacy and enjoyment of the premises.
if it weren’t for double standards….
Not only that, but who did they call in an effort to restore the equilibrium of tranquility to which they so richly deserved and expected? They called a bunch of guys with guns. Cops.
Does anyone besides me wonder if these people will be qualified for any kind of job that does not involve emptying wastebaskets and mopping floors?
Yes, that is what will be a potential job for them. But Starbucks will always need baristas with college degrees who can spell well enough to write your name on the cup with a sharpie.
Snowflake liberals once again prove that liberalism is a mental disorder. What ever happened to their “live and let live” that they preach? Of course it doesn’t apply to those that don’t live in lockstep with their dogma! I hope she sues and scores!
She has a MAGA hat and she’s from Alabama, after all, so she’s poison.
Don’t you see that, API?
This is not over yet.
They stopped preaching that live and let live stuff a long, long time ago. They are more into the “live and let die” mode now.
The landlord is in violation of somerville housing code which does not allow more than four unrelated occupants of a single rental unit.Does this invalidate the lease? On a side note Somerville P.D are supportive of C.C. We have a solid P.D.
Ransacking her room cause she had a MAGA hat. #RESIST!
They gonna sing a different tune if the abusive X shows up at their door at 0 dark thirty.
Howie Carr show discussed.
Unclear if she had a vault or not.
Didn’t sound like they actually found any iron.
She needs one of these.
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Double button combos.
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Bolo’d the paste..
The full line.
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