LA Times examines high rate of transgendered veterans
Paul sends us a link to the LA Times in which they examine why researchers think the military seems to be jam-packed with transgender folks.
Transgender people are present in the armed services at a higher rate than in the general population.
The latest analysis, published last year by UCLA researchers, estimated that nearly 150,000 transgender people have served in the military, or about 21% of all transgender adults in the U.S. By comparison, 10% of the general population has served.
Yeah, this all based on an estimate made by pointy-headed microscope starers.
[Dr. George Brown]’s transgender patients told him that they had signed up for service when they were still in denial about their true selves and were trying to prove they were “real men.”
“I just kept hearing the same story over and over again,” said Brown, 58, now a professor at East Tennessee State University and a specialist in gender identity issues at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Mountain Home, Tenn.
Yeah, well, ya know, if you call in some ghost hunters to check out your house, they’re going to find ghosts in your house. If you call in a “specialist in gender identity issues”, he’s going to see a lot of folks with gender identity issues. That doesn’t mean that the military is rife with transgender people.
The U.S. Census Bureau does not collect data to determine [the occurrence of gender identity confusion], so researchers must extrapolate from other, smaller surveys.
In other words, they guess a lot because they can’t be sure.
In 2011, nearly 23 out of every 100,000 patients in the VA system had a diagnosis of gender identity disorder, which is used to describe gender identity issues that lead to significant levels of psychological distress and has been associated with high suicide risk.
That’s five times the rate in the general population.
The comparison comes with a caveat. In 2011, the VA began providing hormone therapy and other nonsurgical treatment for transgender patients, a strong motivation for some people to seek out a diagnosis.
Naw, that can’t have much to do with it. The opportunity to get expensive elective medical treatment, normally an out-of-pocket expense, for free couldn’t be much of a draw, could it?
Category: Veterans Issues
What the hell military was I in for nearly 40 years? I’ve seen some goofy stuff, but the closest I ever saw to this kind of thing was Klinger on MASH. Guess I just didn’t hang out with the right people…
Beats the shit outta me.
About the only time I saw dudes in dresses was Halfway Night.
What a gigantic pile of bull pucky!!
Well, I have to confess that for some years I’ve been suffering from….Fiscal Identity Disorder (FID.) Essentially, in my brain I’m a fabulously wealthy millionaire, but unfortunately I was born into this poor person’s body.
The good news is that there is a cure! All I need is for the VA to approve my Cash Reassignment Surgery, whereby 5 million dollars is surgically removed from the VA budget and implanted into my savings account.
The struggle is real! Help the poor victims of FID! 😀
(THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!)
Dammit! Why didn’t I think of that?
You Sir, win the Internets for today.
The good news is the VA will treat this.
The bad news is you’ll be put on the Phoenix VA waiting list.
spell my name correctly in your will please 😉
This is merely Chronic FID.
I have suffered under the Acute form for years – ie, in my head I am the world’s first Trillionaire and I could begin to deal with that if only George Soros, Warren Buffet, John Kerry, Al “I invented the internet” Gore, and all those like them, would just fork over the dinero.
😛
You win.
OMG, I’ve got that too!
Lies.
Damn Lies.
Statistics.
You know the story.
More a case of “give me control over the raw data and I can prove whatever I want”.
Remember: someone who specializes in studying “transgender issues” has a vested interest in maximizing the number of persons who are transgender. Why? Because the larger the group, the larger the grant they can get to study it.
SJW (Social Justice Warriors)
Always Lie
Always Project
Always Double Down.
Grimmy,
Ever notice that the same could be said of various radical Muslim factions?
The same can be said of “climatologists” and their view on climate change.
They make the most money proving how there is climate change and they need a grant to study it.
Alas …
So if there is statistical proof of higher mental illness and suicide rates, how would that qualify you for military service if you “identify” with that demographic? How can you openly continue to serve if you are openly at risk? Jonn is correct – it’s all about “free” treatment. So all you have to do is lie and get your foot in the door. Then you’re entitled to everything…
I wanna be a TG Ranger,
Gonna have the Army Chop off my Member,
TG Ranger,
Lop Off my Member,
I wanna be a TG Diver,
Swimmin’ round without a wienie,
TG Diver, lose my wienie,
TG Ranger, Lop off my member….
I wanna be an SF Medic,
Have a big transgender aesthetic…
And when I retire,
VA gonna fuel my lady fire…
The phrases, “gender identity DISORDER” and “the occurrence of gender identity CONFUSION” pretty much sums it up for me. Take the reality TV shows for instance, which my wife watches. If you go by the number of gay and lesbian couples remodeling or buying a home or any such reality TV genre, you would think 40% of the population is gay or lesbian. Coincidence? I don’t think so. I think it is a concerted effort to further their agenda and ram their definition or “normal” down the throats of America.
You’ve noticed that too? I think HGTV is the gayest network on television.
“Heavily Gay TV”?
And that’s the idea, Sparks. Make two queers funny or engaged in activities previously associated only with the male/female relationship and, before you know it, there’s something wrong with the person who regards it as sick, wrong, or abnormal. Mainstream abnormality. Transgenders are now the focus. Look for a new comedy show or two (or ten) with that theme in the next year or so. Or have they started all ready?
They had one in the 1970s. Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari were in it. (I know, it was actually cross-dressing, but the idea was there.)
Yeah, the TV sitcom “Bosom Buddies”.
Bosom Buddies. Not a bad show.
I can’t count that b/c there were never gay but playing the old male-in-drag gag. That they were dressed as women in order to get an apartment in an all-female complex was funny in itself. Today, that would be viewed as mocking behavior, I guess, and frowned upon.
The only other thing I can think of was Flip Wilson doing Geraldine Q. Jones, and his rendering of ‘The Devil made me buy this dress!’
Flip Wilson…Here come da judge.
I suppose Laverne and Shirley would be cast as lesbians today and the Odd Couple would not be odd at all. Not today they wouldn’t.
Not only that, but if they had sued because it was a “female only” complex, they would’ve lost because they are heterosexual white males.
Saw a study a few weeks back – said that surveying the general public, most people think that about 28% of the populace is TG. The true number is less than 2%. Think that’s how it read… me, in 63 yars I have never met anyone who had had or wanted TG reassignment. I did hear of one guy who became a girl a few years after dating my now-wife… but that didn’t surprise me.
“I think it is a concerted effort to further their agenda and ram their definition or “normal” down the throats of America.”
Sadly, it’s working.
I’ll just leave this drink sprayer here….
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Is it okay if I’m just ME?
It’s only OK if you can characterize yourself as some sort of “victim.”
Victimhood is the currency of our age.
Victimhood gets you a pass from respecting social conventions or other people’s rights.
Victimhood grants you social status and relieves you of responsibility for your actions.
Victimhood is like a platinum credit card that you can throw down at life’s buffet and say “I’m a victim, so my bills will be paid by my oppressors.”
It’s a good racket if you are shameless enough to work it.
“Victimhood is the currency of our age.”
More’s the pity …
Oh, dear. Well, I guess I’ll have to whine about being victimized by LGBT prejudice toward straight people.
Dude, straight people is not the preferred LGBT nomenclature. Breeders, please.
Y’know, I didn’t even know what a breeder was until a gay guy pretty much spat that at me.
…I swing every way under the sun, is the funny part of that. Trust me– some parts of the LGBT community are just as bad as fundamental Christianity, and just as dogmatic.
OK, my mistake. I always strive to be neutral by using ‘individual’, ‘person’, ‘human’, but sometimes, I forget I have to tell people I”m a girl.
And I was born this way.
Once again liars seem to have a problem with simple math.
Claim; 150,000 transgender veterans.
Claim; 23/100,000 veterans are transgender.
In order for both to be true, there would have to be 652,173,913 veterans.
Well not everyone that has served is still alive and\or gets care at the VA. You can’t correlate the two numbers like you did. The first is saying that many of served in the military(since when?) and the second is saying how many in th VA system are transgendered.
The numbers so seem hard to believe though on the surface of things.
The VA says that in 2014, they had 6,163,101 persons registered in the VA healthcare system. That means the VA is treating approx 1417 transgenders.
US News estimated there are approx 21.8M living veterans today. At a rate of 23/100,000, that rate means you’d expect to have roughly 5,014 transgender vets – not 150,000. Even if only 1 in 20 transgender vet registered with the VA healthcare system receives treatment from the VA, that doesn’t yield a projected total of 150,000 for the entire vet population.
Something just isn’t adding up here. As Jonn said, the raw data here appears to be crap – and that’s being nice.
Not all of the 23M living vets go to the VA. So you can’t use how many of them that do as a basis of extropolating based on the total.
But yes the numbers do have that made up quality to them.
True, and I noted that above. Perhaps you missed that fact.
I merely used the given rate to extrapolate a projected total – and to show that the projection appears specious. The assumption is that the fraction of transgenders is the same whether someone seeks treatment from the VA or not.
It’s also fair to point out again that the author said 150K of vets that have served have been transgendered but doesn’t say since when. From the Revolution to now? The 22M living now is but a portion of all vets that have ever served(that number is what? 42M?)
Even with a 42M total the numbers don’t come out.
The total since 1776 is accepted as being on the order of 40M. So the 22M currently living represent well over 50% of the vet total. Plus, the vast majority of vets have been discharged since the end of World War II (16+ million served during World War II alone; nearly 9 million served during Vietnam; around 2 M served during Korea; and I’d guess probably 3-4 M have served during the GWOT, and another 2M or so during the Gulf War).
Besides, being transgender wasn’t exactly something terribly common prior to World War II – or during World War II, for that matter. Deviancy hadn’t yet been defined down far enough for being TG to be considered even marginally acceptable.
The main thing I learned in statistics class:
75% of statistics are bullshit/made up.
Quagmire’s dad again?
I am surprised this guy is not on Obummer’s staff.
He is, even if he’s not getting paid for it. Just like so many others writing stories for the “news”.
Though, he might have been on Barry’s “staff” in college? Just a thought.
Everyone get ready, ’cause this will piss many of you off: Why are you rejecting this study out of hand for what sounds like a biased methodology, but are so readily accepting of the USMC studies despite allegations of bias?
The Marine Corps doesn’t get government grants for its results.
That’s a good point. You can make a case for both having a reason to present skewed results.
See my comment below. Based on past known fact and behavior, it’s far more plausible to conclude that the person rejecting the USMC study out of hand is biased than the study – whose methodology he presumably approved or had the chance to approve a priori.
Mabus is a political hack – nothing more, nothing less. He’s going to do what he’s told to “advance the agenda” his boss wants advanced.
Mabus is a politician. Lie, cheat, steal, et cetera. If he’s pushing an agenda, it’s likely not his, and he’s nuzzled up to someone’s nuts to progress further.
Um, maybe because the person making those allegations of bias about the USMC study is a known political hack who prays at the alter of political correctness and chose to ignore objective, verifiable hard data obtained during the study?
Because the allegations of bias in Marine Corps are coming from someone (Ray Mabus) who refuses to accept the conclusions of the report for personal/political reasons.
And the transgender “study” is being pushed by someone who has a personal/political agenda.
But I’m just a “hold my beer knuckledragger” according to Ray
Ray is just pointing out what he sees as patriarchy and cisgender micro aggression.
It’s not just UCLA. It’s UCLA’s Williams Institute, an LGBT advocacy group that somehow omits any mention of advocacy from its mission statement—kind of like McDonalds failing to mention that they sell hamburgers and french fries.
Two things. First, when you are a hammer everything looks like a nail. And, Gender dysphoria is just like Global Climate change, It does not exist but lots of people make good livings studying it. All one needs know to make a good living in research is to know what is popular with politicians.
In all seriousness are you kidding about the climate thing or just being silly?
The Earth’s climate has changed all by itself over the millennia, to say it’s manmade is absolute fallacy.
Ok.
Well, since clong doesn’t believe that climate change is out of the control of mere mortals, I have a very nice, explicitly timeline-based Excel spreadsheet that shows, specifically, when the climate changed from ice/frozen to interglacial, how often, and how specifically it shows that humans had little to nothing to do with it.
The chart goes 600,000 years BACK into the past. That is LOOOOONG before modern humans arrived on this planet. And it’s based on real paleontological records, not wishes, cloud songs and moonbeams.
But when facts are uncomfortable, they are always dismissed by the discombobulated.
We are currently in an interglacial period that started 18,000+ years ago. All interglacial periods have warm and cold cycles. There is geological evidence that the Alps in Europe had low to no snow cover over 7,000 years ago. Then it changed.
The Sahara desert has regular cycles of wet, green savannah and dry desert. Mud cores from the west coast of Africa show that these cycles can change from wet to dry and back to wet in as little as a single generation. That would be maybe 40 years. It has to do with the monsoonal flow, which has NOTHING to do with humans. For the past 5 years, the monsoonal flow that normally goes into Pakistan and western India has gone from the Arabian Sea into Oman. Oman has received so much rain during these monsoons that the ground is supersaturated, with flash flooding this year as only one of the results.
These events have been in the news. If you want to argue the point, go ahead. But WE have no control over monsoonal flow directions, or wind currents blowing dust off the Sahara into the Atlantic, or the north and south polar vortices.
NO CONTROL.
We are at this planet’s mercy. If it wants to kill us off, it will.
You sure derived a lot of what I supposedly think from the word ok.
Actually, clong, I was referring to your ‘are you kidding’ remark.
That was a matter of fact question. Was he kidding or not? It’s hard to tell through text.
Um, no.
Your “question”: “In all seriousness are you kidding about the climate thing or just being silly?” Is not just a question intended to reveal “was he kidding or not?”.
The way you phrased it, it implies the person’s statement is either:
a- Kidding
or
b- being silly
You forgot to include a third option:
c- not kidding & not being silly
So my question to you (C. Long) is: “Do you continue to beat your wife, or did you stop?”
I could have asked it better granted.
k.
To answer your question, I was being serious as a heart attack.
Anthropomorphic Global warming/climate change is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Progressive socialist wealth redistribution party, IE Democrats. CO2 is the fuel of plant life and is absorbed in the photosynthesis process. CO2 levels from volcanic activities were so high during the carboniferous period that plant growth exploded causing oxygen levels to rise so much that the very air burned when lightning hit. The coal we have burned from the beginning of the industrial revolution came as a result of that plant explosion.
Maybe I should have gotten a PhD in Psych, then I could collect dump truck
loads of money in the form of Government grants to churn out bogus statistics and studies like this, but then again, I have a conscience…
This whole study is full of more bovine feces than a legal brief filed by a fake HCPO denied the privilege of practicing law in the State of Oregon.
Transjacktivists are well-known for cooking the books and coming up with their own definitions of words which don’t conform to real-world definitions. Some trans ‘women’ even go so far as to insist that their penises are female organs, because that’s how they feel inside. Seriously. With this in mind, how can we possibly trust any data they come up with?
I believe I can come up with some explanations as to why this study looks the way it does, namely:
1) Stolen Valor. Did anyone verify the backgrounds of the people claiming Veteran status? I’d bet my grandpa’s Rolex that no, they didn’t.
2) Creative definitions. Taking words, making up their own in-house definitions, then proclaiming their flawed results to all and sundry.
3) Flat-out making stuff up. Self-explanatory.
Their penises are female organs?
Seriously?
Well, then – they can go fuck themselves, can’t they?
(Sorry, I simply could not resist!)
Or so they would have us believe. You think I’m making this up (who could blame you), feel free to go on Tumblr and read these whackjob’s blogs for yourself.
Incidentally, here’s an opinion piece from the lesbian activist Cathy Brennan about this whole trans business: http://bugbrennan.com/2014/09/16/what-you-dont-define-you-cant-control/ Read that article. Doesn’t it make sense?
Words. Mean. Things.
This. Makes. Sense.
No, I do not think you are making it up.
The stuff that is going on, in a very ‘in your face’ manner, is as repellent as you can get.
At some point, the shouting and screaming will no longer get the kind of attention those whatevertheyare want. The more loud and obnoxious they are, they more they churn up people like Kim Davis.
I see a clash of twits coming before too long.
Stock up on popcorn and other sustenance.
“I see a clash of twits.”
I’m going to use that one. Excellente.
Verify they are vets? Hell, the freaking VA sometimes doesn’t do that worth a damn. I’d guess up to 5 percent of the people receiving VA healthcare never served at all – and the fraction could well be way higher.
Regarding the “penis as female organ” claim: I’ve seen one 3rd-party account where a male trannie allegedly called his dork his “p**sy on a stick”. So yeah, that BS claim does indeed seem to be made at times by some in that group.
Ah, Hondo at VAMC 23rd Street, NYC I might say 20 % of the every day regulars never served in anything!
Correction: Organized Craps, Dice and Dominos Tourneys are excluded from my comment above.
Wasn’t that butt-ugly stump-sucker in the photos an SV phony, or something?
Okay, not to panic, my peeps. This untrammeled BS is only another manifestation of hysteria about something – ANYTHING – for the sake of getting attention, being the center of the spotlight, and making a notable ass of yourself in a public setting.
If these guys want their dicks whacked off, I know a large animal vet who will do it cheap. Make sure they’re neutered, too, as part of the package.
They have NO idea what ridiculous creatures they are, and frankly, most of this is done for its shock value, and not much more. They are boring, tiresome, rude, crude, and lewd, and unless I miss my guess, not representative of the rest of the LGBT community.
This smacks loudly of the same crap foisted on women – put us in our place – in most of history. It was particularly bad in the Middle Ages.
This crap will die down after a while. Wait and see.
I live in NYC.
Trust me, I know and see enough of this issue to write a book, get a movie, produce said movie, attend the Oscars, sell licensed mini-merchandized items and retire a gillzillionaire.
But, I don’t give a rat’s ass.
Until, it gets in my face.
Then I would say, “I don’t give a rat’s ass, get out of my face”.
And that is all I am going to say about that!
PS: Years ago I believed transgendered was the difference between a manual and automatic transmission … As you can see I have evolved a wee bit! I still equally hate both transmissions for different reasons yet own vehicles with both, so I am conflicted. I guess if a auto-manual transmission was invented then I might be satisfied. A true transgendered transmission! Ah …
Aren’t there already automatic manual transmissions on the market?
Thank you, did I mention I am evolving!
I, for one, and glad that this is a sufficiently free country where people can reasonably expect not to be killed over such things. That is not the case most other places.
In order to keep this place Free, I am willing to overlook much oddity in others, as I would like to be overlooked myself. Liberty begins in the phrase “none of my business”.
I for one, have been much, much happier in life since I decided that the Christian “judge others as you would be judged yourself” thing makes sense. I spend far, far more time working on what I can do right, or just better, than on what I think others might need to do.
It is a work in progress, of course.
I am much more concerned about bands of fanatics doing fanatically insane violent idiocy, than on a tiny handful of folks cross-dressing or part-swapping-whatever.
I wonder if the LA Times reached out to “His Gayness, The Jayness” Gay Jay Kerwin to solicit his opinion.
He has experience, especially considering his time incarcerated.
After all, he is in their backyard.
So the pictures at the top…..die SHE have an Addadictomy or did HE have a Takeitawayfromme? Just the facts, please.
This is an Honest To God true story. About two years ago I went the the VA medical clinic in Dothan, AL. For some reason the doctor who I was assigned to had been changed. When I walked into the Doc’s office, the very first statement made was, “What can I do for you today that would make you happy?” Strange hearing that from what was supposed to be a female. Had “she” been about 20 years old, blonde and petite, well you can guess what would have crossed my mind. But I started looking at this Doctor and noticed some very strange physical peculiarities such as a large Adam’s apple, big- boned and somewhat a deep voice, arms and wrists as large as mine, and fairly broad shoulders. I was really uncomfortable in that I was guessing we were going to have a confrontation if she wanted to check my colon with her finger. My non-response to the few questions she asked probably led her to conclude that I had not yet reached senility. Discussed that with some other vet friends and we all reached the same conclusion. Probably another two weeks and she was gone, for whatever reason. Now that was a Tranny if ever I saw one! None of us ever heard from the person again. It was just the tone of her voice that made it so unquestionably obvious.
Re: the photo at the top: I think that was one of the SV phonies from last year or the year before.
You know, these people are really boring twits with nothing going on in their lives. The in-your-face stuff is what little kids do, isn’t it? It starts with defying the world (mommy and daddy) and now they’re physically adults so they can do whatever they want to, including act like damned fools.
Let them scream and whine and pound their little fists on the floor. At some point, it becomes a boring, asinine ploy for attention and nothing else.