William Roe; the records
We wrote about William Roe over the weekend when the Watertown Times wrote about his deceitwhen he claimed that he had earned a Distinguished Flying Cross.
Scotty went ahead and got his records;
It seems to me that a prosecutor would see some value in prosecuting someone who forged government documents in order to stop others from doing the same thing, but, no luck. Especially that totally bogus letter from the VA – for future reference, you gumballs out there take note that the VA doesn’t keep your service records. If you wrote to the VA to get your records, they’d give you Victor Wong eye;
Category: Phony soldiers
I’ll say it again – I’m ashamed that this shitbag is from my hometown.
Wait. Those citations aren’t legit?
WOW I mean they look just like the AFCM citations I have at home…..NOT!
http://www.sizemoresr.com/images/afcm/DSC00660.JPG
Jebus.
Oh and this douche nozzle wasn’t a Chief Warrant Officer either?
He was an E-4 Sergeant (Buck)?
yeah….
fuckstick
More than a couple of problems here but I’ll only cover a few.
1. The USAF stopped appointing Warrant Officers in 1959 (upon the first promotion of personnel to E-9). And while a very tiny few of existing WOs continued to serve as WOs, the bulk of them were given full commissions and transitioned to the Officer corps. So there is ZERO chance someone entering the Air Force after 1958/1959 would have join or been promoted into the WO corps.(more on this in #2.)
2. According to the form above he entered the service in 1963, well after the time period he could have entered or been promoted into the WO corps. Also for the sake of argument he had entered into the WO corps in 1963, the likely hood of him having been promoted through the WO ranks to CWO is virtually impossible in such a short time.
3. While I have seen a number of award citations in my military career the DFC pictured is the very first I have every seen the following: First Lieutenant William H. Hall (verus CWO William J Roe JR.), WTF is that supposed to mean?
4. Like wise almost all citations start with the person’s name. Doing a quick search confirms this with very few citations. Also I have yet to find an example with the following:”the President of the Unities States takes…” Almost all of the DFC citations I have seen or found start with either the person’s name OR for heroism while participating in aerial flight: NAME. Granted the certificate of the award does say: This is to Certify that the President of the United States… BUT the citation to accompany and certificate of the award are two completely different animals.
3. While I have seen a number of award citations in my military career the DFC pictured is the very first I have every seen the following: First Lieutenant William H. Hall (verus CWO William J Roe JR.), WTF is that supposed to mean?
It means he was a lying, arrogant tool who turned out not to be as smart as he thought he was.
Chip: Sergeant is E-5. Were he E-4 it would be Corporal, in the Army anyways. Sr Airman in the USAF.
I cannot believe he stamped these ‘SECRET’. Wonder if he has a Top Secret to stamp his toilet paper?
Wolf,
They changed it in March 1991. I was one of the few that was grandfathered during that time.
I went from SrA to E-4 Sergeant (no pay change but you go from an Airman to an NCO.
October 1967 renamed Airman Third Class, Airman Second Class and Airman First Class to Airman, Airman First Class and Sergeant. December 1975 directive the grade of Sergeant was split into two separate ranks while retaining the grade of E-4. Senior Airman would be the last junior enlisted tier rank while Sergeant would remain the first rank in the NCO tier.
This was past his time in so I was assuming that he was an E-3/4 sergeant.
The December 1975 directive was the one that changed the chevrons from a white (silver) star in the middle of all of them to a blue star in the E-1 through E-4 SrA chevrons. The silver star came back when one went from SrA to Sgt.
Maybe I’m missing something, but TODAY, not 1991, E-4 in the USAF is SrAirman.
http://d1dnkqqe73c2u6.cloudfront.net/article-images/Enlisted_Ranks_1.jpg
DOD website: http://www.defense.gov/about/insignias/enlisted.aspx
That is, like the Army, you can get to be an NCO in the USAF as an E-4 similar to a Corporal. I’ve never met one. But in all the joint staffs I’ve worked, anyone below E-6 was rare as frog teeth.
(sigh) Let this old Soldier provide the official USAF history:
http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090611-103.pdf
The linked document covers USAF enlisted rank insignia from the beginning of the USAF thru the 1991 changes, in detail (pretty sure the 1991 changes are still current). It also appears to the the USAF’s official word on the subject.
Enjoy.
Hondo:
Nicely done. Thank you
When the Air Force got rid of Airmen 3rd and 2nd Class; A1C (E-4) became Sgt (E-4) and A1C became E-3. Around 1976 or 1977 one was promoted to Senior Airman (E-4) and, after one year of good conduct and a short PME-1 course, one was appointed to the NCO ranks as a Sgt (still E-4). Some time later, the Sgt appointment was eliminated and folks remained SrA until promoted to SSgt (E-5).
This not being able to be an NCO as an E-4 caused some wailing and gnashing of teeth; but it was nothing new. I read in a book of CMSAF biographies the USAF two stripers had the same non-NCO status when Corporals in the USAF became A2C back in the ’50s.
Great Minds think alike and post almost the same info at the same time!!
😀
Damn – we gave ya zoomies perfectly good first stripes and ranks. Then ya turn the stripes upside down, and afterwards you can’t figure out how many to wear or what to call them. You flyboys really should get your organic fertilizer consolidated! (smile)
Yeah Hondo, I agree, and not only that, I cheated when I went from SrA to Sgt by just taking a blue pen and coloring in the star on my stripes rather than have new stripes sewn on. 😀
THEN they had to go again and change the MSgt, SMSgt and Chief ranks in 1991 again and make the stripes from 6 bottom to 5 bottom and MSgt one on top0, SMSgt 2 on top and Chief 3 on top. I get the argument that they wanted to separate and distinguish the “top three” with the chevron but damn.
STOP MESSING WITH THE UNIFORMS FUCKTARDS!!!!
I blame Merrill McPeak…dickwad.
Chip: remember when McPeak got the Order of the Sword? I wasn’t even invited to vote – not that I would have voted for him. Did you get an invite?
Nah,
My vote would have been to shove it up his ass.
McPeak gets the blame for a LOT of ridiculous stuff. He worked hard to earn our disdain.
And then there’s this little gem.
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2008/07/merrill_tony_mcpeak_the_oregon.html
Nah, the Air Force got it right. They flipped the stripes upside down to show how much shit you can collect (E-2 to E-6), and then put a roof over that foundation to show how much shit you can avoid having to deal with (E-7 to E-9).
The Air Force equation is: number of stripes + one = pay grade.
I often wonder, when will someone in the whatagon notice this makes sense and change the whole system because it makes sense.
True – today. But over time, “the number of stripes – and their titles – have been changed multiple times to protect the perpetrators and confuse everybody else”. (smile)
I was an Air Force “Buck Sergeant” and proud of it. Like the old E-4 Mafia in the Army. They tried tossing more responsibility at us…but not people.
The “VA Letter” dated 2013 references an Executive Order signed by Clinton in 1995 as the authority for declassifying this douche’s records. Except that EO was replaced twice: first by Bush in 2003 and finally by Obama in 2009. The current declassification authority is Executive Order 13526.
“Forgy” Frank Visconi would be proud!
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