Ukraine from both candidates’ sides

| September 28, 2024 | 18 Comments

 

Well, Joe Biden, in his last scheduled address to the United Nations, is taking the credit for saving Ukraine.

Joe Biden has said he helped “ensure the survival of Ukraine” as he outlined his legacy in his final speech to the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

Vowing to support Kyiv until victory in its war against Moscow, the US president said that Nato members and other allies in “50-plus nations stood up” to Russian “aggression”, adding: “We defended the UN Charter and ensured the survival of Ukraine as a free nation.”

“We could have stood by and merely protested,” Mr Biden said, but “at my direction, America stepped into the breach”.  The Telegraph

Same Joe Biden who threatened  Ukraine funding years back if Hunters wasn’t investigatively ignored, right? Ah, well, he’s a self-announted saint now.

On a related note, the U.S. announced a further $375,000,000 aid package to Ukraine. CNN  Those darn wars are so expensive, even when someone else’s kids are doing the bleeding. Guess it’s better than ours doing it, like we used to do. Maybe over the years we actually have smartened up a bit?

Harris has made several trips to get allies to support Ukraine in the last year – but relations between her and Ukraine’s President Zelensky sound coolly formal at best.

“As a former prosecutor, the Vice President was an important credible messenger and rallied the world to hold Russia accountable for its atrocities in Ukraine,” the White House official says.

“As a former prosecutor” – they say that like there is supposed to be some gravitas to someone who was the precursor to George Gascon and Chesa Boudin, I strongly doubt world leaders are too terribly impressed.

Of course, then we get to President Trump. His contribution to the party this week was to say he could end the war within 24 hours of re-entering the White House.

Former President Donald Trump explained his plan to secure peace in Ukraine within 24 hours of taking back the White House on Sunday, saying he would tell Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to make a deal.

“I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know Putin very well, even better. And I had a good relationship, very good with both of them. I would tell Zelenskyy, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don’t make a deal, we’re going to give him a lot. We’re going to [give Ukraine] more than they ever got if we have to. I will have the deal done in one day. One day,” Trump responded.  Fox News

Yeah, get two hard-heads like Putin and Zelensky to just meekly back down, huh. Worth noting that Puitin upped the nuclear stakes after he said that:

The updated doctrine takes aim at nuclear powers such as the US, Britain and France.

While Putin did not specifically name those countries, he said that a nuclear power that support a non-nuclear state’s attack on Russia risks becoming a target of a Russian counter-strike.  MSN

I suspect any instant quick solution would work about as well as that quick Afghan withdrawal Biden tried  to pull off… and probably have similar consequences. I have a friend who would say of Trump “he’s been drinking his own bathwater.”

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Forest Bondurant

Still accurate…

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26Limabeans

One sharp dresser.

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

He dresses almost as well as Fat Boy Kim

Army-Air Force Guy

Could be worse, he could be wearing Carhartt shorts and a hoodie.

Anonymous

Plus:
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11B-Mailclerk

For a guy who started out as a comedic actor, he has done rather well playing a lucky wartime leader of an underdog country invaded by the local bully wannabe empire.

He really has done rather well with that war, considering his start point.

OAM

I saw the press conference(s) with Trump and Zelenskyy, and Trump telegraphed “the Deal”… Trump said something unclear about Putin gets to keep Crimea and part of the Donbas. I didn’t catch it all because I happened to be looking at Zelenskyy while Trump was talking and Zelenskyy’s reaction was … surprise. Was that surprise because Trump said it out loud, or because it was news to Zelenskyy? Let’s hope we get to find out what Trump can and will do.

IIRC, The Art of the Deal is identifying what the other side wants and can’t live without, and using that and the carrot and stick method to get what you want.

5JC

That’s easy. The Russians want all of the Petro deposits in the Black Sea, some throw away states that don’t care about on their border and puppet state in the Ukraine.it’s been clear since the beginning.

11B-Mailclerk

Z thinks he can hold out and win when Russia implodes.

He isn’t wrong, either. If Ukraine won’t quit, Russia loses stinking. Vlad needs us to convince Z to deal or fold. Handing the Russians a face-saving win they didn’t earn is dumb.

Jimbojszz

Never a winner in war. Putin wants to show he’s in control. He wants Ukraine, or just part of it for now. So he can retain his grip on the Russian people. Zelensky, hmmm? Will not make peace with Putin, as long as he can. I think this will deter Putin from seeking more ground too quickly. The question will be, Putins successors ambitions, reunification of the motherland or peace? Trump could give both countries a way to stop. Putin can’t risk much more death in his country from war before things turn badly and Zelensky too. There will be no winners, only dead soldiers and citizens. Now who’s going to pay to rebuild ?

26Limabeans

Can’t get the song “Sympathy for the Devil” out of my head.

“Stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Tsar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain”

How prophetic can you get. Putin will be taken to that small room in the basement. Or Zelensky will hang from a lightpole.
Or both.

Jimbojszz

Will have to wait and see which one dies first. My guess is it will be poison. Methyl mercury or plutonium.

Odie

How about we add any/all who have profited from this to the same windowless basement room/light pole. Ask how they prefer to go. Drowning from filling the basement with water or outside enjoying the sunshine as they draw their last breath on the light pole.

Decisions decisions.

26Limabeans

When they told the Tsar he was to be executed he
barely had time to say “what?” before being shot.
Not even the courtesy of a WTF.

Jimbojszz

Putin loves to poison people, he not only wants his enemy’s dead. He wants then to suffer and know you screwed with the wrong guy. A warning to others who might think of crossing paths with Putin.

KoB

Putin will be taken to that small room in the basement. Or Zelensky will hang from a lightpole.
Or both.” I’m good with that…’specially the “Or both” part. I’m just glad that we got at least one of ours out.

jeff LPH 3 63-66

Herr biden forgot to mention that he ensured the survival of the south after the civil war plus Japan and Germany after WW2. He maybe losing his memory. My memory is also a little off, last week I forgot the Alamo, REMEMBER THE ALAMO.

Deckie

Biden giving a captivating speech motivating world leaders and voters alike at 1:34

https://youtu.be/x8R-WBWQkVk?si=iXFUXw33j_WLNOwS