Have Kilt, will travel

| April 2, 2012

I couldn’t be more ready to head to the ‘stan. Sure, my feet are bleeding from overdoing the roadmarching of late, but just how fricken awesome am I going to look in this kilt?

Kilt + Caucasian Mr. T. look = TSO winning this thing all by himself.

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Jonn Lilyea

Your haircut looks more like Travis Bickel than Mr T. If Mrs TSO shows up this week looking like Iris, I’ll be armed and wary.

cakmakli

I’m not trying to offend anyone that is Scottish but what don’t we call a kilt what it is…a Scottish skirt. A skirt with another name does not make it any less a skirt.

Old Trooper

@3: Ok, that’s just geeky to the extreme.

Good luck while you’re over there.

wink windsor

I guess that is for the warm season? Looks like it would get a little windy in Winter.

PintoNag

@2 Women wear skirts. Men, REAL men, wear kilts. And look hawt in them, too!

(It’s my thought that women invented kilts so their men didn’t go into battle naked…which is what the Scots used to do.)

🙂

NHSparky

Now while I’ve never been to the ‘Stan, I’ve been up at 10,000 feet in Colorado in April.

Three words for ya, my man: Ball. Shrinking. COLD. Even in “springtime.” More so in that Fashion Bug getup ya got going on there.

I keed!! I keed!!

CI Roller Dude

My favorite holiday of all is April fools day…great stuff

Jacobite

Aye TSO, the Utili-kilt, good bit o kit that!

I’ll tell ya Sparky, I got married in my 13 oz wool summer weight kilt in June of 88′, sweated my….., well you can imagine. Now if TSO traded the canvas bit for a 16 or 18 oz wool original, he’d be pleanty warm. 😉

The Stan is no stranger to the kilt in any case, just ask the Gordon Highlanders about the regiment’s history in the region. 🙂

NHSparky

Jacobite–I hear ya–I got married on July 4th weekend.

In Vegas.

In my Navy dress blues.

At 4 in the afternoon.

We walked back into the hotel and as soon as we hit the A/C, I had sweat drying and the salt crusting off me. Never again.

Susan

Dear cakmakli.

We Scots are not insulted because we know you simply do not know what you are talking about. Personally, I love the Highland Games here in Georgia becuase good looking men in kilts is the bomb.

That said, TSO the goal in the ‘stan in to blend in. You may want to reconsider wearing your heritage, so to speak, so publicly.

ROS

I’m rather disappointed that there has been not one lipstick comment. For shame.

Major Kong

I worked with a bunch of Blackwater guys in Iraq.

The sad part is, if it was authorized, a lot of them would have worn that kilt, and thought it was cool.

NHSparky

ROS–he’s got a major mancrush on Tom Brady. That alone makes application of lipstick unnecessary and redundant.

ROS

But he can’t wear only lipstick under his kilt if TFB doesn’t wear any.

Just Plain Jason

Yesterday, I asked the SMA about his thoughts on the proper wear of the kilt, sgian dudhs, and sporran while in ASU and ACU and never got a response. I was quite disappointed…

Yes, I am the reason we cant have nice things!

Steadfast&Loyal

The only question (and I am of scottish descent…Campbell Clan) is if TSO is wearing it as TRUE Scotsman should.

Alberich

#3, #7 – Well, could TSO at least whistle “Blue Balls of Scotland” while he marches along?

Jacobite

While whistling Scotland the Brave to yourself…….

‘Land o the kilt and sporran
Underneath there’s nothin worn
God how I wish it wa warrrm
Scotland the Brave!’

‘Lord don’t ya know it’s gruesome
Walking around wi a frozen twosome
God How I wish it wa warrrm
Scotland the Brave!!’

Jonn Lilyea

Know who else wears a kilt?

cakmakli

@11. I didn’t say there were anything wrong with a man wearing a kilt. I think they look kinda cool (not that I could pull off wearing one with my skinny legs). I’m just saying that calling it a kilt does not mean it doesn’t meet the definition of a skirt.

“A skirt is a tube- or cone-shaped garment that hangs from the waist and covers all or part of the legs.
In the western world, skirts are usually considered women’s clothing. However, there are exceptions. The kilt is a traditional men’s garment in Scotland, and some fashion designers, such as Jean-Paul Gaultier, have shown men’s skirts.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirt

Kinda like the difference between pants, slacks, and trousers. Same thing, just a different name.

PintoNag

Jonn, you just dropped a piece of fecal material in the punch bowl.

Joe Williams

Snake Eyes wearing the Kilt is enough reason for me to never wear one again. Joe

Jacobite

Not nice Jonn. :^/

PintoNag

@21 The kilt is not just clothing. A skirt is. It’s like calling military medals jewelry. The kilts traditionally are made of the tartan, and are associated with the Clans; each one is a story of family history and pride and tied to the land and blood that was shed to defend it.

I have only the barest Scottish line in me, not enough to claim it, but let me tell you that you’re skating on thin ice here, cakmakli.

Old Trooper

Ok, Jonn, I have to agree with the others; that’s just wrong, dude.

NHSparky

Jonn–wrong. Funny, but wrong. Poor little fucking midget is probably wearing an Extra Short one to boot.

Jonn Lilyea

Nice? How long have you guys been coming here? How often have you seen me be nice to TSO? Or anyone, for that matter? The word is not in my business plan.

Radar

Funny stuff was the kilt question posted to SMA Chandler’s FB page yesterday, as well as PPR asking SMA why PPR had more likes. Last looked, neither was answered.

Flagwaver

You wear panties under a skirt. The only thing you wear under a kilt is boots. I do the Warrior Dash every year in my kilt and have a good time doing it. Next year, I’ll be doing the Spartan Race the same way.

Zero Ponsdorf

I have this image of a bearded TSO diving behind some cover and mooning the Taliban… there is a temporary cease-fire until the laughter dies down.

Sounds kinda like a Monty Python skit?

Old Tanker

A Robb of the Strathclyde clan here….not sure what our tartan is suposed to look like as most of the patterns dissapperared after they were banned in an attemp to purge the clan system from Scotland…

Old Tanker

….but I gaurentee it doesn’t look anything like what Snake Eyes is wearing……dayum….

PintoNag

@32 OT, my family line is Davis; I believe the clan is Davidson(?). The tartan is a simple red one.

cakmakli

@25. The one in the video is khaki and has nothing to do with Scottish Clans, tradition, and or history; yet it was called a kilt. And even Websters calls it a skirt:

“Definition of KILT

1
: a knee-length pleated skirt usually of tartan worn by men in Scotland and by Scottish regiments in the British armies” http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kilt

Call it what you want but it is what it is.

P.S. The Snake Eyes photo is pretty disturbing and should have a not safe for work warning.

Just Plain Jason

Radar the Kilt questioner was me…I felt like being devioius and what the hell some pvt is going to read it and a new rumor is going to be born. Joe 1 will tell Joe 2 he saw on the SMAs page someone talking about kilts the the next thing you know it will be the next stress card or buffer cord story! or at least that is what my delusions tell me.

Old Tanker

Pinto, the name Davis is Welsh in origin and Davidson appears as both Welsh and Scottish. The Davidson clan was from the McPherson clan originally part of the Catti clan…They were Splitters!!!

ROS

What Snake Eyes is wearing is ACU and thus does not meet eligibility requirements for the “utili” category, nor does it fall into the “kilt” category as it is not being worn by a man.

Just sayin’.

Old Tanker

I think we can all agree Snake Eyes is teh ghey…..

PintoNag

@37 Yeah, and my great-grampa (the Davis in the family) was a dirt farmer in Georgia. Like I said, no august family name to lay claim to.

H1

I can’t get past the rooster comb.
What the h*ll is it made out of?
Peach fuzz?

Alberich

#34 – I used to wear a Davidson kilt and it’s mostly green.

#32 – I believe the whole “family tartan” thing is a 19th century addition – scroll to “clan tartans” here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan – a bit later than the post-Culloden Scottish-culture suppression business.

ROS
Old Tanker

@42

Tartans were regional based on what was available for dyes. Because clans lived in regions the tartan was associated with certain clans. My clan was from the lowland border region with England and may have shared the tartan with another clan or two…

Alberich

#43, the article you link to fits what I was thinking (and what OT says in #44 as well) – hence its reference and opposition to the “great Clan Tartan myth.”

This doesn’t especially bother me as I don’t see anything wrong with using traditions that started in the 19C; but it suggests that there’s little point in being concerned over what a clan tartan was “supposed to look like” before the suppression.

Jacobite

Well Alberich,

The ‘philabeg’, or ‘great kilt’ (belted at the waist and thrown over the shoulder) has been in use in the highlands since before the 1600’s. And the first attempts at tartan uniformity can be solidly traced to Sir Robert Gordon when he wrote to Murry of Pulrossie in 1618 asking that Murry have his men wear identical plaids to bring them into “harmony with that of his other septs.”

The wearing of tartans, both as belted plaids and as ‘trews’ (trousers) made a radical move from the Highlands to the Lowlands in the early 1700’s when the signing of The Act of Union in 1707 created a surge of nationalism across the country. Family mattered, so too did the patterns of their clothes. That the original patterns can be difficult to track down and verify does not make them a myth, nor does it render them inconsequential.

While the 19th century surge in the kilts popularity has certainly led to the creation of additional tartans, most notably for clan septs, the idea that the whole “family tartan” thing is largely a 19th century construct is patently, and provably, false.

As for whether or not there’s any ’point in being concerned over what a clan tartan was “supposed to look like” before the suppression’, I submit that’s a rather personal, and perfectly valid interest to some of us, especially those of us with close, current, ties to the old country and it’s history.

Cheers.

Old Tanker

@45

Nah, not concerned….just having a little fun with heritage!

headhuntersix

YOU ARE NOT GETTING ON THE PLANE WITH ME WEARING THAT…..assless chaps..perhaps.

Old Tanker

With a name like Jacobite, I wouldn’t argue Scottish heritage with you!

Just Plain Jason

I just make it simple and stick with the Army tartan although my family is part of Clan Cameron of Locheil.