Democrats Block Born-Alive Bill
Ralph Northam’s comments, regarding a proposed abortion law, sparked conversation. (Photo by Getty Images)
If an abortion results in a live birth, what’s done to the baby? The Senate attempted to solidify the answer with a law requiring medical treatment for babies born as a result of an abortion procedure. Unfortunately, it didn’t pass. What was included in the bill:
S. 130 – Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act
Congress finds the following:
(1) If an abortion results in the live birth of an infant, the infant is a legal person for all purposes under the laws of the United States, and entitled to all the protections of such laws.
(2) Any infant born alive after an abortion or within a hospital, clinic, or other facility has the same claim to the protection of the law that would arise for any newborn, or for any person who comes to a hospital, clinic, or other facility for screening and treatment or otherwise becomes a patient within its care.
Only three Democrats voted with the Republicans. The rest, including candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination, voted against the bill.
From Fox News:
All prominent Democratic 2020 presidential hopefuls in the Senate voted down the measure, including Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Kamala Harris of California, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. The final vote was 53-44 to end Democratic delaying tactics — seven votes short of the 60 needed.
This may not be the last that the above candidates hear about this. You can read more at the above link to he bill, and at Fox News.
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Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Kamala Harris of California, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts need to be retroactively aborted.
Thank you, President Trump, for your response:
“This will be remembered as one of the most shocking votes in the history of Congress.”
Ralph Northam is a Goner. So is Justin Fairfax. There IS hope that Virginia will turn Red again.
newbornlivesmatter
GOD have mercy on them if he sees fit, I hope the Voters have no mercy on them whatsoever.
We share the same sentiments.
For each of the candidates listed, I’ve been keeping track of their voting record and lies, and will remind folks how fucked up they are into election season.
There are no words in the English language sufficiently profane to express my utter revulsion at this shit. How in the ever-loving fuck can anyone look at a newborn baby and not *violently* object to some piece of shit wanting to murder that baby? That shit is evil! I mean Hitler-Mao-Stalin-Pol Pot-level goddamn EVIL!
What you said.
These idiots must be mainlining Satan to be ok with this. I’m getting nervous wondering how much longer He will be patient with us.
Before ObamaCare, Roe vs Wade was the biggest con-job in US history.
2nd Chronicles 7:14.
My calling is as an Intercessor which I have functioned in since 1982.
The disunity of the Body of Christ is appalling and scary.
“If the salt looses it’s saltiness, what is it good for … ?”
IMO, the responsibility for the condition of the Republic lies squarely at the feet of the Church.
The consequence of this is something like this Senate vote.
TOW, I was trying to find the words to comment on this, but you did better than anything I could come up with. My son was born very premature, and all of these states that allow late term abortion are already in a position of killing babies that are more developed than he was, and to hear people describe them as “just a fetus”, and “not a person” pisses me off to the point of violence…
So much for “choice”
It is all about baby killing.
Ghouls. Fucking ghouls. Let these arrogant cocksuckers say one more word about “reproductive rights” or “the NRA kills children”. Fuck. Them. All.
Beat me to it, SFC D. It is incomprehensible to me that this even has to be voted into law.
And the Dems voted against it?
Turn in their humanity cards; they’re fucking ghouls.
Why is this law even necessary?
Under what condition is a breathing, heart pumping newborn not considered a live human under our current laws?
If you are born alive in this nation by definition you’re a US Citizen, whether mom wants to keep you or the doctor fucked up trying to kill you before you escaped the birth canal is irrelevant.
Once you have a heartbeat outside the womb you’re a person. The law already covers that.
So what is this law really? What’s it’s actual purpose and what if any actual benefit will result from the passage of this law? Do you really think this law will stop what it purports to stop?
What’s the data on botched 20-37 week abortions resulting in live births? If these are in a hospital setting there are already laws against murdering live birth babies, if these are in a strip mall clinic how do you ever find out what really happened?
Just another law that changes nothing, prevents nothing that isn’t already being prevented and provides some lawmakers with a pretense of doing something about something.
Kermit Gosnell
“In 2002, the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA) passed Congress by unanimous consent and was signed into law by President George W. Bush, establishing that the terms “person,” “human being,” “child,” and “individual” in federal law include every infant born alive, even after an abortion. But that’s all it did — it instituted no penalties for physicians who neglected to care for such infants.
That’s what Sasse’s bill is for, enacting an explicit requirement that newborns be afforded “the same degree” of care that “any other child born alive at the same gestational age” would receive. As of 2014, only 26 states had some kind of statute mandating care for infants born alive after an attempted abortion, and as of 2016, only six states required even reporting such births at all. What’s more, those state laws can be changed to remove existing protections.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/born-alive-abortion-survivors-protection-act-infanticide-ban/
Unfortunately, there have been a couple recent examples of why this law is necessary. A certain Virginia pediatrician cum governor comes to mind.
Old folks will be next. Keep your powder dry, seniors.
I’m sure they’ll likely come after the Handicapped and disabled as well just like they did in Nazi Germany.
API:
EXACTLY!!!!!
👍👍👏👏
That reminds me of another contender for worst SCOTUS decision…
BUCK v. BELL
Nah, just going after a percentage of your estates after you die. Assuming your estate is worth more than $10,000,000.
Otherwise, “no”, we are not coming for you old folks.
Tell my (late) grandfather that.
Developed colon cancer and the decision was made not to operate because he was “too old.”
So if the child is born the wrong color the mother can dispatch it. Got it.
No.
Besides isn’t it the “libtards” that bring race into everything?
I said color, not race. You just called yourself a “libtard” by bringing race into it.
It is between the mother and the doctor.
You will not be consulted nor will you know anything about it.
There are some things even a genius like you cannot possibly know.
Primum non nocere (first do no harm)
I just keep thinking that, if the mothers of those who voted down this bill had bumped them upside down into a bucket of water when they were cranked out, we wouldn’t have this issue…. would we?
I don’t get this. I just don’t. So here’s a link to ACLJ’s list of the 44 Senators who voted “No” on this legislation.
N.B.: Tammy Duckworth is one of the “No” votes, and she’s got two of her own, so where does she get off voting “No” on this?
https://aclj.org/pro-life/naming-names-44-senators-who-voted-in-favor-of-infanticide-and-against-protecting-born-alive-babies
IMHO It sounds like she sold her soul to her politics.
Because the bill was bullshit political propaganda.
There already is a law explicitly protecting a baby that survives an abortion.
You enjoy being full of shit, don’t you?
The ghouls that voted no on this bill are the same people that would have you arrested for neglecting your dog. And VoV, you’re right, why is this law necessary. It shouldn’t be necessary. It’s necessary because states are allowing abortions right up to the point of birth. It’s necessary because if we’re to allow a newborn to die on the table because it’s unwanted, why not let the kid die if he’s doing poorly in nursery school? Where do we draw the line?
The liberal generation and their children who called Vietnam Veterans baby killers are in favor of killing a live-born baby. Their hypocrisy has no limits.
Ghoulish, freakish sons of bitches have no shame, nor decency, all in the name of “a woman’s right to control her body supersedes those of anyone else.” No one dare say anymore that closing your legs is a form of control. There is a reckoning coming and it’s not far off.
Been waiting on this since AnotherPat made mention of the evil happening in NY and the VA Statehouse. Grrrrrrrr. Without even taking a poll I’m sure that 99.99% of the TAH Family all feel the same as I do. Abort the abortionists. IMO the very worst SCOTUS decision ever was the Roe V Wade ruling. Abortion is murder, pure and simple. It is murder of the innocent. The unborn child is condemned and executed for someone else’s crime. You don’t want children? Fine! There are plenty of products on the market to prevent that from happening, and they can be had free. Some of these people have allowed the heat of their ass to addle their brains. Men, keep your penis in your pants and women keep your legs together.
Alot of all this started with “the right of the woman” to have control of her body. What about the rights of the unborn child. The detectable heartbeat at 18 days after conception. A turtle or eagle egg has more rights and it’s a bigger fine for their destruction, than it is for the murder of an unborn child. Maybe if the graphic depiction of what happens during an abortion is shown on national TV, in full color, with a microphone inside the womb, these assholes would get a better idea of what it is like to be torn apart, piece by piece.
Anybody thought about the harvesting of baby organs and how much stem cells are sold for in this equation? Health and welfare of the Mother? My niece was told by her doctor that getting pregnant and giving birth would kill her. She will be delivering #3 in about 2 more weeks.
I firmly believe that my God is a benevolent and forgiving God. I also believe that He has arranged for a special place in hell for the monsters that harms any child, born or unborn.
GRRRRRRRRRR
So I guess Dred Scott was a better decision? Korematsu?
I guess you did not hear and or comprehend me before when I asked you, very politely, to just go away, go far away.
Yet here you are back again, off track, making a PIA of yourself. This thread is about murdering innocent babies, not SCOTUS Cases per se.
Took me awhile, but I finally made a connection with you and a Major that I served with back yonder. He, too, was a self centered, egotistical, know it all blowhard.
And who put Korematsu in the camp in the first place?
No, wait–don’t tell me!
And how is it acceptable by liberals that the democrats who voted “NO” for the “Born Alive” bill are not the same as these who also allowed killing infants at birth.
Auschwitz:
” Sister Klara,” a midwife, oversaw the barracks with a woman named “Sister Pfani.” They were in charge of declaring babies born in the ward stillborn, then drowning them in buckets, often in front of the mothers who had just given birth.”
Cambodia Killing Fields (Khmer Rouge):
“….the children and infants were killed by having their heads bashed against the trunks of Chankiri trees, and then were thrown into the pits”.
I very rarely make statements like this, because it is my Gods’ decision what to do with these people.
But, I hope my God sentences all of these evil liberal bastards to burn in Hell for all of eternity!!
Disgusting ass Leftists. If they are against this you better believe if they had the oppertunity to gun you down in the street and get away with it they would. Domestic enemies.
Domestic enemies huh?
We already control most of the largest cities, industrial centers, technology centers, wealthiest states, most of the ports, and 65% of the national GDP.
Maybe tone down the hyperbole. This would not be a war you would win.
Don’t make me laugh, peter puffer
win (verb)
1. be successful or victorious in (a contest or conflict).
2. acquire or secure as a result of a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor.
No one would ‘win’ but I’m pretty sure the fly-over country would be just fine -listen to A Country Boy Can Survive by Hank Jr. -as high population density and lack of agriculture leaves these high-GDPing areas eating their computers, especially when the lights go out.
And I’m looking at the record here annnnd, yep, with your technocrats in charge the U.S. of A. has won exactly zero wars against gorilla forces.
Keep it up lippy. You need the hinterlands FAR more then they need you.
*guerrilla.
As corrective training I will reread the COIN OP FM in the front leaning.
This bill was political nonsense and it was part of a misinformation campaign meant to perpetuate a narrative to help the Republican with their 2020 goal of making late term abortions a central part of their campaigns.
There is already a bill protecting the life of an infant that survived a failed abortion attempt.
Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002.
Late term abortions are less than 1.5% of abortions. And an infant surviving is a tiny fraction of that 1.5%.
And the law already protects them.
That 1.5% equals about 9300 late term abortions by CDC numbers. Just to put a number on it.
Those CDC numbers are from 2015 and are likely considerably higher in reality. The CDC reporting uses 49 reporting areas and there about 2000 abortion providers in the US. Reporting is also completely voluntary and according to the CDC “inconsistent”
Oooops…meant 9700 vs 9300
Yes. And live births due to late term abortions are probably around 1-3% of that.
And the law protects them.
Yeah…well short of keeping the chain of custody of extracted bullets related to crimes, I’ve never seen a lawman in the operating room.
and as I stated…I was just putting a number on the pile rather than leaving it as a percentage.
The practice of medicine state to state intertwined with federal regulation is complex and I won’t pretend to have a thorough understanding of it.
I have seen plenty of miscarriages and abortions at various gestations. The sounds alone are unforgettable.
Which would be between 97 and 291… what happened to “do it for the children”, “if it saves one life”… Fuck off Lars, we’re talking about babies, ones that are farther along than the point at which my son was born, and anyone who would not do everything possible to ensure their survival is a piece of shit not fit to be called human, and anyone who is ok with that is in the same damn boat! Murdering one child is one too many, and if you’re ok with that, why don’t you go suck start a Harley you inbred bottom feeding mattress stain!
H.R.2175 — 107th Congress (2001-2002) Public Law No: 107-207 (08/05/2002) (b) As used in this section, the term `born alive’, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such EXPULSION or EXTRACTION breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion. So abortionists, to circumvent this law do this: “In response to this statute, many abortion providers have adopted the practice of inducing fetal demise before beginning late-term abortions. Typically, a solution of potassium chloride or digoxin is injected directly into the fetal heart using ultrasound to guide the needle. This is often done by providers who do not perform intact dilation and extraction procedures (as well as by those who do) because they feel the broad wording of the ban compels them “to do all they can to protect themselves and their staff from the possibility of being accused.” ” So, this bill is about eliminating loop holes in the Born Alive Bill by adding the following: SEC. 3. BORN-ALIVE INFANTS PROTECTION. (a) REQUIREMENTS PERTAINING TO BORN-ALIVE ABORTION SURVIVORS.—Chapter 74 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 1531 “§ 1532. Requirements pertaining to born-alive abortion survivors “(a) REQUIREMENTS FOR HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONERS.—In the case of an abortion or attempted abortion that results in a child born alive: “(1) DEGREE OF CARE REQUIRED; IMMEDIATE ADMISSION TO A HOSPITAL.—Any health care practitioner present at the time the child is born alive shall— “(A) exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age; and “(B) following the exercise of skill, care, and diligence… Read more »
I had to watch a video on the D&E procedure in an Ethics course.
I cried like that baby would have…
Nothing new there Skyjumper!
Granting your premise that:
This bill was political nonsense and it was part of a misinformation campaign meant to perpetuate a narrative to help the Republican with their 2020 goal of making late term abortions a central part of their campaigns.
What is your point? After the lifting of the veil on where the Dems want to go with abortion there was a -37% shift in opinion on ‘late-term abortion’.
I’d like to call that a mission well accomplished.
And the idea that ‘there’s already a law’ nonsense. Horsesh*t. What was that demon governor talking about then? Was he actively advocating state laws that where contrary to federal law?
It’s time that the Feds define life, I’d like to see it called at heartbeat but I’d take end of 2nd trimester.
I used to be pretty liberal but the lust these assholes have to tear life from these poor women is f**king sadistic and is an insult to our humanity.
There is no evidence dems are going anywhere with abortion. No veil has been lifted.
Democrats are holding the line on abortions. I am well linked into to the dems political messaging narratives and none of the candidates are talking about expanding abortion rights.
There are some calls to reverse some of the more recent laws further limiting access.
So when Nort-klan said ‘we will resuscitate the baby if the woman so desires’ and ‘we’ll make the baby comfortable, then a discussion will take place’, what was that exactly?
I’m going to level with you, if you have friends or fellow party members that think this is an issue to run towards, have at it hoss.
I’d prefer to be on the side of morality.
“Socialism is about one thing only: power for the ruling class. And the more power they get, the more they crave. They want to run health care, run transportation and finance, run energy, education – run everything. They want the power to decide who wins and who loses, who’s up and who’s down, what’s true and what’s false, and even who lives and who dies.”
And now AOC is “suggesting” that couples in the United States should not have any children, to protect the climate:
“In an Instagram Live video, she warned, “Our planet is going to face disaster if we don’t turn this ship around. And so it’s basically like, there is a scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult and it does lead, I think young people, to have a legitimate question. You know, should – is it ok to still have children?””
Seems to me that was tried in China…………………
What with farting cows and pooping babies we are doomed.
Given the chance, she will probably try to get rid of all existing abortion laws to save the earth.
Gotta love those Communists & Socialists. /sarc
When ever I’m this pissed I like to quote Men greater than I:
“for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” – T. Jefferson
And I’ll ask a question, what is MORE tyrannical then not letting that mind be born?
Nothing. That answer is nothing.
Have we become the very thing we have been trying to fight against? Makes me think of a quote used in Wolfenstein The New Order: Well Shimshon, if He is testing us… We are failing gloriously.
Every one of those vile creatures disgusts me beyond description. Some are allegedly mothers yet they vote for an abomination like that? If the child is alive and you protect the life. What’s next? Lawyers making a claim that a murderer was merely performing a very late term abortion? I didn’t have to check to see how Fauxcahontas and Mr. Frosty voted, already knew those idiots are already poster children for prophylactics.
If the Republicans intend to make late term abortion the centerpiece for 2020 they better have their data for the last few years intact. It’s mentioned above that late terms are around 1.3-1.5% of all abortions, largely because a woman carrying a child after 20 weeks actually wants the child. Those late term abortions often represent a terrible choice a family has to make. The recent New York law was designed to prevent a real situation from repeating itself where a woman’s child died and she was not able to abort if because of New York law. She carried the baby almost to term before finally delivering her dead child. Friends of ours were in a situation where there child’s brain was essentially nothing more than the stem, it never developed. They could carry the baby to term and watch it die slowly, or they could abort the baby in the third trimester. These late term abortions are not women suddenly deciding to kill their children because they didn’t want a child. They are the result of some very difficult decision making processes that take place between doctors and patients. So ban those abortions and what have you accomplished? Nothing more than if you ban rifles to stop murder in reality. 98.5% of all abortions will still take place you’re only torturing those poor bastards who are going to have a terrible outcome. So my guess, like gun control is this is simply a way to work around the edges of the current law until they can figure out how to outlaw that 98.5%. If they succeed then what? What’s the plan when they finally get abortion outlawed? What do they plan to do with the millions of people no one wants? Or is it a fantasy that somehow people will suddenly become responsible and stop fucking without condoms? Because you have to know that part’s not happening, so you have to acknowledge that we are 54 million people short right now due to abortion in just a 40 year span….over a million people a year being born that no… Read more »
Some very good points, but none of it matters. The headlines and talking points have been established and enough people will never get beyond that. It’s all sound bites from here and they don’t allow for explanations or critical thinking.