The Founding Fathers and the Re-Distribution of Wealth..

| February 7, 2019

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..or Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrong with the idea of progressive taxation?

Here’s our own Veritas Omnia Vincit, opining on the intentions of the Founding Fathers as it pertains to the accumulation of personal wealth; and what limits, if any, should be put on taxation, and if so, where. You may recall that taxation was among the main issues they had with English rule, and a sensitive issue. I’ll pay attention, as any group that will foment a revolt against, at the time, the World’s Leading Superpower over a breakfast beverage is hard core and worth listening to. Enough, here’s VoV.

Veritas Omnia Vincit
The Founding Fathers and the Re-Distribution of Wealth, or Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrong with the idea of progressive taxation?

Were the founding fathers in favor of massive wealth accumulation? Were they building the United States to become a haven for the ultra-rich?

I often see many people, when reinforcing the notion that the founders were hard core capitalists quote the following Thomas Jefferson thought;

“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association — the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”

Usually this quote is followed by explanations as to why this means it’s great to have less than a dozen people owning 2.5 trillion dollars worth of the United States. A precept that many people have been conditioned to accept as the natural order of things as well as something the founders believed based on that quote above.
What’s often left neglected in this quote though, as with so many other things, is context. Taken alone it does seem to indicate the founders were all for massive wealth accumulation, except in context it becomes much clearer what Jefferson really meant to convey here. Industry meant one’s individual efforts and not the massive accumulation of privileged wealth passed on through aristocratic privilege. I don’t want anyone to take my word for it though, so let’s look at some context. We should all be aware of the idea that the founders were absolutely opposed to any form of nobility along with primogeniture and entail, the three main reasons wealth was able to accumulate in the 18th century. Thomas Paine was probably the first person to propose what essentially amounts to an estate tax but he put his own spin on it as he did with all things as he called it ground rent but the concept was similar. A fee to be collected whenever property passed to the next generation and that fee distributed to every citizen upon reaching the age of 21. He called it ground rent instead of estate taxes however because for Thomas Paine land ownership was never something that should be considered ownership, but instead a tenancy or trust relationship between all citizens.

“A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fullness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural.” — Thomas Jefferson

“There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death.” — Adam Smith

“The great object [of political parties] should be to combat [this] evil: . . . by withholding unnecessary opportunities from a few, to increase the inequality of property, by an immoderate, and especially an unmerited, accumulation of riches . . .” — James Madison

“[America] will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property.” — George Washington

“I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree is a politic measure, and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. . . . [I]t is not too soon to provide by every possible means that as few as possible shall be without a little portion of land.” — Thomas Jefferson

It’s important to note the founders all felt an estate tax was a simple way to raise federal monies and reduce deficits with a minimal social cost, John Adams in 1797 signed into law the first estate tax in order to fund the Navy. Jefferson was largely opposed to intergenerational, hereditary privilege along with the intergenerational debt that accompanied it. Jefferson wasn’t against family inheriting the land, but he often spoke about how the accumulation of wealth in the hands of a small few seemed to create much in the way of misery. James Madison’s words called it “unmerited” which fit well into the founder’s philosophy that each of us are able to pursue our success based on our own merit. They found inherited wealth “unmerited” accumulation of wealth and injurious to the success of a society of equals.

“I asked myself what could be the reason so many should be permitted to beg who are willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are undisturbed only for the sake of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be labored. I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree, is a politic measure and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. “ — Thomas Jefferson

Which brings me to the aforementioned Ms. Cortez and her proposed 70% marginal rate. It’s making some noise and ruffling some feathers in a great many circles. It’s being called everything from regressive to outright socialist. But is it really? The founders themselves never wanted a Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates to own more wealth than 100 million people combined and their words often proclaimed as much. The United States from 1932 until 1986 never had a top marginal rate below 50%, and between 1936 and 1980 the top rate fluctuated from 70%-94% on income in the top tier of the brackets. For many people those years include the Make America Great Again years. I understand that for many of these years that top rate had a 50% cap on actual earned income versus unearned income. The question becomes once again as a great nation and a great society what are the obligations due from each of us according to our means? The founders had some ideas as you can see from the quotes.

It’s always interesting to me to see how just how well propaganda works to change the mind of the public with respect to taxation and what’s “fair” or not fair. Don’t misunderstand my words here, Ms. Cortez has a great many laughable moments to be sure, but a marginal rate of 70% with respect to unearned income at the top bracket is not one of them. The dreaded “death” (estate) tax that many Republicans decry was something the nation felt appropriate since John Adams first signed it into law to fund the common defense and is also not a thing the founders were against.

Ms’ Cortez should be rightly mocked for many of her ideas on “free” stuff. Much of that free stuff is nothing more than borrowing against the future of our children to fund some dipshits today. Much of that free shit is not only not free but cost prohibitive. On those counts she should rightly be mocked and called to account. However, asking those who benefit the most to also contribute the most to continue those benefits hardly seems unreasonable, as taxes are inevitable we should all be paying the appropriate scale based on our incomes as per Jefferson’s ideas on “tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progressions as they rise”. Some of the most productive 50 years of progress and economic power occurred during that heavy marginal rate taxation. We the people must stop looking for gratification today at the expense of our future.

No one, Ms. Cortez included, is suggesting confiscation of all wealth. The suggestion is simply an ever widening gap between the top 1-10% and the bottom 90% should never equal that of third world nations without risking the economic result of third world nations. When the vast majority of middle class workers become lower middle class workers the economy suffers. In every country and in every age the accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few never bodes well for the nations where it occurs. The founders saw this in England, in France, and in many aristocracies. We’ve seen it ourselves in so many third world shitholes, massive wealth and opulence next door to abject poverty and misery. Capitalism is a great economic force, but the founders knew and Eisenhower repeated that knowledge when he said, “Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society’s future, we — you and I, and our government — must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.”

It’s time we all pay for the wars, the programs, and the government we’ve allowed to run wild with spending and the offerings of free shit. The average worker, and the ultra-rich all have to pony up their share of the load. That includes me and my family as well. If I’m to leave something of real value to my children and grandchildren it should be a nation where I’ve paid my debts and not one where I’ve bankrupted their future to fund stadiums for rich men without demanding those rich men step up and contribute what’s fair for society giving them such benefits.

No doubt this will be a far less popular opinion than some others I hold, that’s as it should be. Feel free to let me know just how wrong I am.
VoV

It’s been my experience that taxation WITH representation isn’t all that great, either. Agree or disagree, this is well worth the time spent reading. Thanks, VoV. And keep ’em coming, buddy.

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Hondo

Apples and oranges, VOV. Occluded Cortex was talking about income taxes, while Jefferson was not.

In Jefferson’s day, the very idea of an income tax was anathema. And the United States Constitition explicity prohibited such a tax prior to the ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1913 (Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co., 1895).

I will believe Jefferson would have endorsed a progressive income tax when his ghost returns to Earth and tells me that in person.

USMC Steve

In point of fact, during the Civil War, both the US and CS had an income tax. The Supreme Court ruled in 1864 that an income tax was unconstitutional, and it was done away with. Not sure what the Rebs did on theirs. And you will note that since the bullshit 13th Amendment came about, not once has the Supreme Court agreed to hear any case at all about the constitutionality of the income tax.

On the idea of stealing everything one owned after their death and handing it out to the underachievers, fuck the founding fathers, they were wrong. It is also totally inconstistent with that whole life liberty etc business. But you will also find that only the “nobility” back in the day was actually wealthy as we think of it, and they were trying to abolish anything and everything English in our makeup.

2banana

When America was founded. You had to be a citizen, male and a Landowner to vote. Color didn’t matter and plenty of free blacks voted.

This kept socialist vote buying programs to a minimum.

2/17 Air Cav

A man plays the lottery and hits it big. He takes what’s left of the reduced advertised winnings, by not going the annuity route, and the federal and state governments grab a huge chunk of that. Is that fair? Is what fair? First, that he won a mountain of money and everyone else who played did not. Second, that the gov’t took so much just because it could, by law, do so?

Now, a man works for decades and amasses great wealth. He leaves a will and bequeaths his estate to loved ones. Is that fair? Is what fair? First, that he was able to amass a fortune when so many others who worked hard for decades did not. Second, that the gov’t took so much from his estate because it could, by law, do so?

There’s that word that I keep using. It’s not as fancy as some of its synonyms. The word is fair. And that’s a problem. It was in the 18th Century. It was in the 19th Century when Das Kapital was written, and it’s a problem today. Fairness, in the legal realm, has nothing to do with results and everything to do with process. As soon as one starts characterizing results as fair or unfair, the worms leave the can.

2/17 Air Cav

By the way, Washington and Jefferson both filed a last will and testament. Jefferson made short work of his and Washington’s went on and on, page after page. Both left property to the public, as it were, without being forced by law to do so. Is there a difference between what a man freely chooses to do with his property, real and personal, and what the government forces and coerces him to do with it? You’re damn straight there is.

Comm Center Rat

“Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.” ~ Will Munny in Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood)

2/17 Air Cav

Zactly!

Brown Neck Gaitor

Adams’ Stamp Act of 1797 was in place from 1797 (to fund a non-declared war with France) to 1802 (when the crisis ended). The tax being repealed is the first difference from today’s ilk.

From the IRS:

Taxes were levied as follows: 10 cents on the inventories of the effects of deceased persons, and 50 cents on the probate of wills and letters of administration. The tax on the receipt of legacies was levied on bequests larger than $50, from which widows (but not widowers), children, and grandchildren were exempt. Bequests between $50 and $100 were taxed 25 cents; those between $100 and $500 were taxed 50 cents; and an additional $1 was added for each subsequent $500 bequest.

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I will use the CPI Inflation Calculator to get 1797 $ to current.

If you own a huge farm and you gave EVERYTHING to your spouse, kids and grandkids you were on the hook for 60 cents. Which is $11.87 in 2019 dollars.

No one is losing the family farm over $11.87, but the estate tax that was recently removed was a real back breaker. And EVERYONE paid the $11.87.

In today’s monetary value you didn’t start paying additional death taxes until you gave $1,000 ($989.11 actual) or more to people that were not your direct descendants. And that $1,000 bequest had a hefty $4.95 fee on it. Less than a .5% tax.

I will agree to disagree with VoV. And AOC can go screw.

Comm Center Rat

The 2019 Federal Estate Tax Exemption is $11.4 million. Only 10% of American households have a net worth of even $1 million, including the equity in their home. So it’s safe to say most of us today won’t “lose the family farm” unless you actually happen to be a soybean or dairy farmer.

The greatest drag on my financial security is overinflated home values combined with high property tax levy rates. All politics is local and these local elected/appointed critters make Congress look like a paragon of fiscal integrity.

BTW This is my 2 cents worth. I’m afraid it’s all I can afford.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her plans for wealth redistribution will make the SJW’s and the Free Shit Army all happy until those with the money find ways to make it more difficult to give that money over (think off-shore banks or other means). Those that don’t have the means to hide their wealth (working class) will shoulder the burden for financing the programs that the Free Shitter’s want until it breaks America’s back (look at Venezuela).

Any way you look at it, it’s “their” version of “How To Make Socialism Work”, Chapter ___ (fill in the blank).

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” Margaret Thatcher

2/17 Air Cav

And when the laws get sufficiently harsh…”To my first son, I leave the mattress in bedroom four. To my second and third sons, I leave the mattress in bedroom five, the contents of said mattress to be equally divided between them.”

Comm Center Rat

LMAO!! Damn that is hilarious. Wiping orange juice from the table now.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Don’t forget about the mason jars buried in the back yard under the elm tree… the “rainy day fund”

SFC D

AOC and her minions believe that everyone is entitled to the fruits of my labor. I believe that I, and those persons I deem to be worthy are entitled to my earnings and no one else. Conversely, I am not entitled to anyone else’s wealth, only to what I earn. I am not averse to paying taxes to support government services, within reason. I absolutely despise my tax money going to useless boondoggle projects or to support those who will not support themselves. There is no free shit.

5th/77th FA

Spot on ‘D, you nailed it. Our sick minds do think alike don’t they?

We worked for ours, they can work for theirs. Everybody has the same equal opportunity to get off their ass, stub out their Camel, pick up their shovel and go to work.

SFC D

It’s a little scary sometimes ’77! I guess we were raised right. Or maybe related.

kjm

I am quite sure I am not related; however, you guys are SPOT on.

David

VoV – so it sounds like you think to be truly equitable and stop that nasty wealth accumulation, everyone should be taxed not just on income but on all that they own? After all, those who inherit great wealth but earn little are logically not “paying their fair share” in Jeffersonian terms?

Veritas Omnia Vincit

There is a case to be made that Jefferson considered intergenerational wealth to be problematic and that redistribution through inheritance in some form or another would be beneficial.

I think perhaps in tying in AOC I am lessening the explanation a bit and diverting from my original intent.

With the Make America Great Again concepts of a postwar shining United States Democracy of a well to do middle class surviving on a single income there were multiple things happening in terms of taxation one leg of which was an over 90% marginal rate.

It’s also important to note that the marginal rate doesn’t apply to all of one’s income, but solely to a component of income above the breakpoint. The cap was 50% on earned income and the 90% applied to unearned income.

We also had less debt.

We have to pay for this shit at some point, pushing the nickel down the road means your kids or grandkids will have to step up and foot the bill in your stead. Seems really unfair to me to burden the future with our wasteful spending now.

Where I diverge from AOC is that I want the tax collected and spending dropped so we get deficit and debt under control she wants to piss it all away.

David

If we got deficit spending and the SJW nonsense under control the government would probably have enough to pay US.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Well that would be nice for a change.

St. Jude

There may, in fact, be a case to be made that Jefferson, and even other founding fathers considered intergenerational wealth to be problematic. If only there were some way for them to encapsulate that view few years after the founding of the republic. Something along the lines of a document that could be considered the Law of the Land, or something… You point out that tax rates were significantly higher in what many would consider our glory days. And that we kicked economic tail, I guess in spite of all that, and then use that historical data to argue, essentially, that it would be so in the future. But look at the total tax burden and associated regulatory burden at the same time. Back in the early 20th century, employers weren’t paying medicare/social security taxes, weren’t dealing with the insane regulatory requirements dreamed up by the EPA/FDA/fill in the blank 3 letter agency, didn’t have to contend with minimum wage laws, paid maternity leave, unions, etc. They do now. Add into that that the top 10% earners in the U.S. already pay something like 53% of the actual taxes – it sounds like exactly what you are asking for, but it still isn’t working… I respectfully submit that it is because you are confusing symptoms with root causes. A brain tumor might cause a headache, but taking more aspirin isn’t really going to help, long term. You need to get rid of the tumor. Similarly, taxing the producers at increasingly higher rates isn’t going to fix the debt problem in this country – that’s just taking the aspirin. Lowering spending to a sustainable point and reducing the social safety net to a manageable point is the chemo for this tumor. Like Hondo said above – you are comparing apples and oranges. The problem isn’t the tax rate, it is the spending rate. Unless you are trying to make a serious argument that the standard of living for every socio-economic class in the country in the early 20th century was higher than it is today, I can’t conceive of how your… Read more »

Veritas Omnia Vincit

No my point was simply that the founders had some objection to massive wealth accumulation in the hands of the few and that we have had rates higher on unearned income in the past.

You are correct that the overall tax burden was less when that rate was higher. And you are also correct that spending was different.

However there is another reality about that spending at some point, regardless of those who are currently espousing a “modern” theory that deficit spending doesn’t matter because the government prints money might think, the bill comes due and needs to be paid. We are all of us guilty of electing people who piss money away and we don’t hold them accountable. We should sack up, vote them out and start paying our bills.

St. Jude

We agree, I think, in principle, that the spending is the problem. Absolutely the bill comes due. It will be complete train wreck when the due date hits.

Where I still believe that I disagree with you is on what to do about it. Higher rates on earned income stifles an economy. Higher rates on unearned income is really about penalizing the savers while ignoring, if not subsidizing the spenders. That may not be the intent, but it is the only result.

Didn’t we agree that spending more money is the problem?

We already have anti-trust laws on the books – and this is my less-than-erudite opinion – but I think that is closer to what Jefferson et al meant when talking about preventing that multi-generational wealth. None of them were particularly lower class, and none of them consented to the government disposing of their assets after death – they did that themselves. Maybe it could be argued that they gave more than the government would have taken – I honestly wouldn’t know – but it was still their choice.

They did appear preoccupied with preventing an individual or family from becoming de facto nobility or aristocracy in any form, with extreme wealth having the potential to go a long ways towards that(especially with regards to owning massive tracts of land).

Hondo

The cap was 50% on earned income and the 90% applied to unearned income.

Source for this assertion, please?

Maybe I missed it, but I don’t ever remember seeing historical tax rate info that made any distinction with respect to income between earned and unearned during the post-World War II confiscatory tax era. If you had income of X after any allowable deductions/exclusions, you paid taxes on X per the ridiculously complex tax brackets defined for that year. (Capital gains were taxed separately, generally at a lower rate after 1921 than ordinary income.)

And in general, 91% (not 90%) was the top tax bracket for the two decades starting in 1944 and ending in 1963. There were even a few years that had a 92%, 93%, or 94% top marginal tax rate.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I was reading a tax blog where I saw that and for the life of me can’t find my notes now so that sentence should be stricken from the response.

Interestingly the, effective tax rate against total income for that period never exceeded 42% for that time period according to Scott Greenberg at Taxfoundation.org.

Current top 1% are paying a slightly lower burden today…

There are some economic taxation theories that up until 50% most of the ultra rich will pay the taxes fairly willingly and that true tax evasion doesn’t kick in for them until you get over that percentage.

As I can’t source where I found that note, I can’t honestly support the comment today. My apologies.

rgr769

And we should note that the effective tax rate for those extremely wealthy individuals who might have to pay a 90% marginal rate never paid it because the super rich have always been able to manipulate their assets by clever tax lawyers and accountants to minimize their exposure to taxes.

2/17 Air Cav

You just knew this was coming. From the Communist Manifesto:

“Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:

(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.”

2/17 Air Cav

Where’s Lars? This is the stuff he dreams about.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Writing another paper on how to fix Venezuela/get socialism “right”….

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Shhh….I was hoping he’d drop by and drive the comment count through the roof…

A Proud Infidel®™️

I’m betting he’s busy trying to write a paper blaming the state Venezuela is in on President Trump!

Hondo

Check back here in about 15 min. (smile)

Ex-PH2

Should 5% appear too small, be thankful they don’t take it all – “Taxman” by George Harrison.

5% refers to what he was left with after paying his taxes to the UK government. Taxed at 95%, the rate at the time under Labor Prime Minister Harold Wilson. Hardly seems fair, doesn’t it? The Beatles brought England out of the economic dumps into a new prosperity and got punished for it by tax laws.

There’s no way to escape paying taxes, whether it’s a sales tax or the property tax on your home or the income from your Roth IRA.

However, the tax rate of 70% is over the top. If you really want to raise some funds, then take the tax cap for Social Security off of earned income, the way it is for Medicare.

gitarcarver

You may remember that a few years ago, the British Parliament passed a tax law that basically said “if you make money in the British Commonwealth, you will be taxed on all of your income, no matter where it was made.”

This meant that athletes who made money in the UK were taxed for salaries they made in other countries. If, for example, you won prize money at Wimbledon, you were taxed on all your income (such as winning at Flushing Meadows, endorsement contracts – even if those endorsements were for products not sold in England, etc,.)

The practice ended when tennis stars and F1 drivers said they would not appear at Wimbledon or the British Gran Prix.

(In fact, tennis stars started signing up to play at minor tournaments the weeks of Wimbledon. Blimey!)

“Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” – Ronald Reagan

NHSparky

Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more?

Sounds like they had more sense in the early 70’s than they do now.

And if you think altruism and voluntary surrendering of wealth is gonna happen, I got some beachfront property in Venezuela to sell you.

Devtun

Away for the weekend
I’ve gotta play some one-night stands
Six for the tax man, and one for the band

“Success Story” – The Who

The tax man’s taken all my dough,
And left me in my stately home,
Lazing on a sunny afternoon.
And I can’t sail my yacht,
He’s taken everything I’ve got,
All I’ve got’s this sunny afternoon.

“Sunny Afternoon” – The Kinks

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street;
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat;
If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat;
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.

“Taxman” – The Beatles

Hondo

You forgot my favorite from “Taxman”:

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes

along with the oh-so-true final line

And you’re working for no one but me.

USMC Steve

In modern England, every bit of that is true. Gotta fund those muslims somehow. And they are subjects, not citizens, so who cares what the average Brit thinks or wants. Obviously not the government.

timactual

“this enormous inequality producing so much misery ”

How, exactly, does this inequality produce misery?

Anyway, I must say I am rather surprised, nay, shocked by the quotes in this article. I am going to have to reread it as soon as I recover from an attack of the vapours.

Still, I wish to leave you with another quote;

“There are few ways in which a man can be more innocently employed than in getting money.” Samuel Johnson

Ex-PH2

And the Tax Stamp Act was one of the reasons behind “taxation without representation” is part of our laws.

gitarcarver

“Taxation without representation” was a great bit of propaganda and had no basis in reality.

The last thing those who favored independence wanted was “representation” in Parliament.

Slow Joe

OMG, did VoV just become red?

Mason

Getting so intellectual around here lately. It’s like going to college again. 😉

2/17 Air Cav

Funny you should say that b/c I 86’ed a comment that began, “Final Exam. Explain why you agree or disagree with VOV.”

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Hahaha… Sorry I’ll try and dial it back some…

5th/77th FA

giggling hilariously…y’all quit it, the cars and the dogs are looking at me funny.

Jim

Does the bureaucracy really want to solve this problem, or use “the rich” as a foil to stir negative emotions of envy and jealousy in respect to the rich?

Many of us would like to live on a beautiful bluff overlooking the ocean, or near an exclusive ski slope. How would property be divided to “the proles” upon death of current owners? You know it will eventually come to this. I could see these arguments being used in regard to eligibility for organ transplantation.
A bit off topic, here is an example of how NOT to leave an inheritance. Note that this gentleman did fund the stadium for his sports team: https://trustcounsel.com/2015/04/remember-the-joe-robbie-stadium/

NHSparky

I love how the lefties bitch about “the rich” in this country when we in fact have one of the most progressive income tax systems in the world.

I wonder how they’d feel if their starting tax bracket was the same as, say, Denmark?

GDContractor

“No one, Ms. Cortez included, is suggesting confiscation of all wealth.”

~ The Kennedy Foundation just breathed a huge sigh of relief. ~

My perception is that whatever system that is enacted, short of confiscation at the point of a rifle, will be gamed. Trusts, Foundations, Nevada Corporations, Cayman bank accounts, etc. The “rich” that this scheme would target, would escape its enforcement through some legal, sophisticated means. In so doing, the lawyers and accountants aiding them become richer; not the public purse.

DW60

Two points: 1) Subject matter is about wealth which translate into coveting and love of money. Nothing of value has ever been collected based on this. What one calls fair today will not be fair tomorrow, which will not be fair later on.

2) recommend reading “The Law” by Frederic Bastiat, free pdf downloadable.