Army training and DEERS markers
So there’s an Army PowerPoint presentation going around in preparation for rescinding the ban on transgendered soldiers. The whole program revolves around the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS) system. It seems that, despite what a soldier’s DNA says, a “DEERS gender marker” in their records will supersede nature;
Not only is the subject soldier expected to adhere to the gender marker standards, everyone else is expected to tolerate have differing genitalia on display in their facilities.
Lord help the poor guy whose DEERS gender marker was screwed up by a clerk.
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I saw a transgender veteran at the VA recently. Pretty interesting. 😲
yeah,not TG…fuggit
I just spit coffee all over my laptop at “our battle cry is YMCA”
I thought the Infantry was Queen of Battle?
Yes we are.
Queen as in the most valuable piece in a chess game.
Even in chess, the Queen has a lot more mobility than the King.
That’s no Bowling ball, That is my wife… It’s the punch line to a joke i can’t remember and some how it seems to fit this story.
ARMY, Sometimes they get things right:
Accepting Confederate Soldiers to fight the Indian wars; Good Idea
Integrating Blacks and whites to fight in Korea and future wars; Good Idea
Making a Grunt shower with a bunch of women because he has a new “Gender Marker” ; a really , very bad, awful and dumb Idea
https://youtu.be/j-SgGHlZXQc
yeah, no one will ever take advantage of this..
Is gender reassignment a permanent change of duty station or just temporary duty?
All kidding aside, if someone in the command is undergoing this “transition”, how long are they are in a non-deplorable status? The transitioning service member would have to undergo psychological and psychiatric screening, hormonal treatment and of course, the necessary surgery, to include post operation recovery. That sounds like somewhere way north of six months that this person is dead weight to the command, because non-deployable personnel are still carried on the T/O. I am sure that Joe Grunt will be more than happy to pull consecutive deployments while Timmy/Tammy finds his/her inner self.
Finally, who pays for the new uniform issue when transition is complete? Is Uncle Sugar on the hook to make Timmy/Tammy look fabulous in his her new wardrobe?
Fill out that motivated 604 form and run it the chain….God willing the SupO/BC will say fuck no. But pressure from overhead will make them sign it. Meanwhile, Joe Marine is missing his OTV, IFAK, and other items from deployment because they got blown up and he has to reimburse the government. And the band played on…..
Jay, you can’t ask god for anything, but Satan, Hecate, Zeus or muhammad is fine. please correct yourself or you will not get a gold star and a NDSM.
Thank you,
PVT. Joe Snowflake
I have a SILVER star on my GCM and a Volunteer Service Medal……i’m good brah.
about 2/3 of TGs never actually complete surgical reassignment and the military TG is under no obligation to do so….convenient eh?
actually it’s more than 2/3…I had a brain fart…more like 3/4
how…. convenient…
Our troops (and in other venues members of the public) get to experience self-identified trans-perverts in their showers/bathrooms with the complete physical paraphernalia with which they were born.
That’s gonna work out well. /snark
From what I’ve heard and read, the TG is non-deployable while undergoing drug therapy for it’s “transition”. Or while in recovery from surgery.
Will the TG be the one who determines if he/she/it needs more therapy, drug, mental or a combination? It would seem that they’ll be, if they desire, non-deployable whenever they choose to be non-deployable.
THAT’S gonna do wonders for the Combat Effectiveness and deployability of a unit! Joe/Jane: “NO, I can’t go to the field, I’ve got Hormone Treatment,…”
If they made the policy that anyone who is going through the process and is non-deployable counts against a position in the pentagon (instead of a platoon or company), imagine how fast they’d fix this stupid thing and come up with an idea….
Gives a whole new meaning to the term Casual.
I can’t think of social engineering any more extreme or screwed up than this. Would love to see rebellion in the ranks but unsure how likely that would be.
YGTBSM! This is downright stupid. President Trump, can we have our armed forces back? You’re the NCA, so you can squash this nonsense with one stomp.
If you have trouble with handling your DNA gender, how will you react to combat, adverse conditions, etc…
This qualifies as a damn fool idea.
This will also give new meaning to Blue Falcon – or will they become known as diving ducks?
I wish Trump or Mathis would issue an order stopping all this Fuster Cluck now.
Of course it’s a damnfool idea. The previous administration instituted this inane policy.
They were masters at coming up with damnfoolishness. Workable ideas, not so much.
Thanks but no thanks that I have long past the recall age. I would have earned my GCM with this Bullshit coming.Somebody has forgot or is weakening our Military Services. Joe
Yeah, that “somebody” has the initials BHO.
I self identify as a retired 4 star.
I’ll take my back pay now, I’ll accept it in M188LR and M855 if that’s convenient.
*M118LR, but I’d rather have any M852. The M14 I carried liked it and I’ve found that my M1A Loaded likes 168 grainers better. I figured with a heaver round the delay in unlocking would enhance accuracy but that ain’t the case.
Guess I must be in the minority; I can honestly say I would accept a TG in the ranks. They have to have completed all gender reassignment nonsense at least 2 years before joining the service and should have deductions from their pay to cover all maintenance meds like hormone treatments. They have to meet all gender-specific standards (girls, you want to wag a weenie, you need to pass the men’s PT test) and be willing to sign waivers to allow immediate separation without benefits if they start having mental issues like surgery regrets or suicidal thoughts. In other words, the only way they should come in is as NO ADDITIONAL LOAD on the service or their fellow service members. Show me that, and I’ll support anyone who legitimately wants to volunteer.
Same. As long as the maintain their standards, for PT especially, and remain healthy, mentally and physically, I would support them. It’s not my thing to say they can’t serve and I will give them what what support I can as a Junior NCO.
I had this briefing given many my Top, a man who is been in for 25 years. He remained carefully neutral on every subject and since I respect the man to a high degree, I going to follow his example. After the brief, he took all the NCOs to the side and stated that if we had a transgendered soldier we would accept input from all soldiers for how the bathroom and shower facilities would be used. If someone was uncomfortable, we would simply giving their own separate time, we already do this for females when there is only one facility.
“mentally”
Here’s the bigger issue, suicide among service members is a serious issue and alone can make someone non-deployable, lose their security clearance, and potentially be separated, JUST for talking about / considering being suicidal.
So with this, now leaders have to think about this concern because almost half of TG’s commit suicide. Would that go up or down in the military? Who knows. Is this going to make the force more effective or less? Who will be covering down on duties performed for all the time spent on recovery, convalescent leave, therapy (physical and mental), doc appointments, and the like?
Just a summary excerpt from the linked study.
“Suicide attempts among trans men
(46%) and trans women (42%) were
slightly higher than the full sample (41%).
Cross-dressers assigned male at birth
have the lowest reported prevalence of
suicide attempts among gender identity
groups (21%).”
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
Another thing that President Trump, as NCA, needs to kill….
PowerPoint.
Amen!
I’m repeating myself when I say that this obsession with sex and other people’s sex lives is unhealthy.
None of this is necessary. If they haven’t done this ‘transition’ ahead of applying to the military, they should not expect us to pay for it. This has gone beyond the label of ridiculous.
I would like to offer some additions to the definitions list in the interest of gender equality.
MORNING WOOD – Regardless of ones sexual preference or identification this phenomenon is entirely involuntary. Females sharing shower and bathroom facilities with individuals that still possess a working wiener, should not conflate MORNING WOOD with a state of sexual arousal.
GONAD GEOLOCATION – The unconscious manipulation of testicles and attached member to facilitate comfort. Regardless of sexual identification service members with a member will not be subject to ridicule for GONAD GEOLOCATION, it is a necessary and crucial maneuver. Due to the unreasonable restriction pantyhose place upon a member, thigh highs are authorized for dress uniforms to those impeded by a penis.
FAUX CRAMPING – Individuals who have completed the sexual reassignment process are entitled to the same light duty privileges that any other female ENJOYS. FOUX CRAMPING chits may be issued for periods of up to 96 hours.
RAZOR BUMPS – Also known as Pseudofolliculitis barbae. Due to the additional difficulties of shaving the scrotum and areas in close proximity thereof; additional time will be allotted for proper personal hygiene to individuals that may have the burden of additional equipment to maintain. The “buddy system” may reduce injury due to hyper extending, straining, and discomfort causing individuals to rush the process.
Menstrual Envy – The shame experienced by those who identify as female but lack the ability to properly menstruate is a growing concern. There is a strict policy of “Don’t ask, Don’t Tell” still enforce concerning the “Pads or Plugs” preference.
Other definitions are forthcoming.
Hor-MOAN: The monthly anger cycle which said member will be allowed to say anything to anyone, regardless of rank and be covered under the “it’s their time of the month” clause.
Bitches, you’re just jealous because we have boobs and you have to buy them.
And none of you will EVER be able to answer that question: was it good for you, too?
>^..^<
Depending on if i’m wearing my winter coat, i’m rocking a solid A-cup. But yeah….I DO like boobs.
Bigger question: Do we really CARE if it was good for you also? I gots mine……
(snorrtt!) If you don’t care, you don’t get asked to come back. <3 <3 <3
Rosy and Palmela will always love me.
Sorry but if men had boobs of our own, we’d never leave the house.
It’s tough to imagine anyone actually experiencing “gender dysphoria” being physically and mentally suited to the rigors of military service anyway, so all this time and effort being wasted to accommodate what, a fraction of a percent of troops?
When are we as a society going to stop pretending this bullshit is real? To the extent that “gender dysphoria” exists, it’s a mental illness that ought to render its unfortunate victim as unsuitable for military service anyway.
But the inmates have taken over the asylum and insist that they are not insane.
The real issue, that these people are not happy with who they are in the first place (as opposed to what they are), is not being addressed and never has been. Probably won’t be.
I have no issues with those who do this ‘transition’ on their own and want to join the military. It’s those who think they’ll get a free ride for it when they join that I object to. It’s a choice, like plastic surgery, not a medical necessity, and I see no reason that taxpayers should foot the bill.
Martinjmpr, to put some of this in perspective, it is currently estimated that the LGBT cohort amounts to an estimated 3.4 percent of the total population. Transgenders as a sub-set of that group have been calculated to be around 0.05 percent, or a ratio of 1:2000 of the total population.
Up until relatively recently, “gender dysphoria” was known a “gender identity disorder” and considered a form of mental illness. Because the term “disorder” was considered politically incorrect and offensive, the condition’s name was altered. Such a name change to gender dysphoria also apparently resulted in the removal of it being categorized as a mental illness.
Strange how that works isn’t it? Change the name of what you call somebody’s flavor of being a nutcase, and suddenly they’re magically cured and perfectly normal.
Maybe it is just me, but “Dysphoria” sounds worse than “identity disorder”….
Da FUK
We all had a guy that we thought was gay in our unit, it was actually a good thing because ( at least to me) they were always harder, stronger, faster and meaner in a fight just because. we didn’t care that he was gay,just that we trusted him with our backs. we might not have agreed with it but he was still “One of our own”. I just don’t see TG integrating the same way, they seem to want to be “Special” and that won’t ever go over, at least in combat arms…
Same in my squadrons. We all knew who the gay boys and girls were- as long as everyone showed up for work on time and was professional, nobody much gave a damn.
If the enemy captures a transgender do they obey the gender marker and put the transgender in with the right group of prisoners?
Only after they rape them.
I self identify as a non binary Arboreal-American and you may refer to me as; Oak, Oaq or Leafy One. You must accept me dammit!!
😀
If you look like Thorin Oakenshield, I’ll call you anything you want.
LOL
Not even close….except for the dark hair/beard
Don’t toy with me, you hoser.
I somewhat resemble Gloin son of Groin…or at least I identify as such
Ah! The real Gloin is not too bad!
And u know what they say about dwarves…they’re sporting three legs
Seriously….. these Trannies are freakshows.
If you paint white stripes on a black horse and call it a zebra, do you indeed own a zebra?
If you put a blonde wig and make up on a pig, are you now in the company of Britney Spears?
Hell No!!….Still a pig!
Same with those ‘trans men’ who take hormones to grow sparse, high school like facial hair. Doenst make you a Real Man, just a very fugly woman.
Like a story I once heard of a Catholic family that was upset with their neighbor always grilling venison steaks on Friday during Lent. The Priest visited Bubba and convinced him to convert to Catholicism. After the classes the Priest sprinkled Holy Water on him saying “You were born and raised Baptist, but now you are Catholic.”. The neighbors thought that was the end to Friday grilling but there he was at it again! As soon as he was called, the Priest visited Bubba and saw him sprinkling Holy Water on a venison steak on the grill saying “You was born and raised as a deer, but now you’re a catfish!”
“If you put a blonde wig and make up on a pig, are you now in the company of Britney Spears?”
Of course not, everyone knows you’d have Amy Schumer. Duh!
P.S.
I have absolutely nothing wrong with gays serving openly. Atleast they are truely beings theirselves.
Not playing a freaky version of ‘dress up’ and expecting everyone else to play along.
I would like to know how the h e double L they could join due to there mental retardation?????
(Same goes for running for the Senate)
Thanks guys for all the laugh’s today. I needed that. oh I with Skippy lol
There is something that has not been taken into consideration in this rush to accommodate people who can’t accept their own gonads. We girls can be nastier than any of you blowhards can imagine. There is no assurance that women who see a naked guy in the bathroom (for any reason other than the plumbing in the men’s room is shut off) is there for any reason other than Peeping Tom BS will NOT beat the living shit out of him and try to suffocate him with a shower curtain.
Oh, geez, Ex-PH2! I nearly choked on my water over that one!
One hears stories of annoyed clerks losing leave requests, of medics losing shot records….
Imagine the annoyed pesonnel clerk changing one little letter, and the resultant kerfluffle….
Imagine the happy PFC strolling into the female showers like a tripod singing Les Miserables
“I dreamed a dream in time gone by
When hope was high
And life worth living”
Spew Alert!!
In the shower duet with Susan Boyle?
Now there’s an image that’ll stay with you till you die.
This show EXACTLY just how deeply entrenched Obama senior officers are in the system currently and just how entrenched Obama era social engineering policy is in the system
The fact that this wasn’t immediately squashed my senior leaders the minute Trump was sworn in speaks volumes
Mission accomplished. Chalk one up for lefty socialist
Clinton era Officers kept affecting things long after he left office.
We need a whole sale bloodletting on all GOs/Flag Officers appointed during the last administration. All of them. Zero exceptions.
I asked my son recently what he identifies with, as even in middle school this subject is a hot topic, and he replied, “attack helicopter”. I said, “good answer”.
This is were that answer came from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OMAQiMOJ68
A very good answer!
Just read through 50 some comments and no one is looking at this in a matter of logistics.
The active Army better get down to Clothing Sales RIGHT NOW because the run on Physical Fitness Badges is going to explode after that little old DEERS marker get changed from a M to an F.
Especially right after APFT day when the scores have been confirmed and posted, the line at Clothing Sales will be out the door and around the block.
Don’t say I didn’t warn ya./smile
Claw, you could have posted a spew warning!
Just sayin’.
And speaking of that Army Physical Fitness Badge, I have a question for any active Army or recently retired Army types:
Does a APFT score of 55/55/13:50 for the Over 40 Male (well now for an over 65 group) get you a badge?
Just asking cause those were the reps/time from my last test (taken two months prior to starting retirement terminal leave) in 1991.
Disregard my question. Just checked it out using this interwebz thingy. Male Age Group 42-46 years old.
Made 271 overall, but wouldn’t have qualified for a badge. The scores were:
Sit-ups – 55 reps are worth 83 points.
Push-Ups – 55 reps are worth 88 points.
Two Mile Run – Time of 13:50 is worth 100 points.
But, Alas, Shit Out Of Luck for a badge.
You don’t need that badge. What would you do with it? Pin it on your jammies? But that 13:50 on the two mile run just before retirement is pretty impressive. It takes me almost 10 minutes to cover a mile, but at 70 my airborne shuffle ain’t what it used to be.
Thanks for the kudo. Yeah, I used to be a pretty good runner. Not so much for upper body strength to do the push-ups, but got by on sheer determination.
Actually, right now as far as body weight, I am 12 pounds lighter than I was when I took my retirement physical in September 1991.
Sometimes that “everything shrinks with age” saying is true.
Wha……Seriously??
You guys give out Badges for fitness??
Is there one for Proficient Ass-Wiping too?(The White Stripe w/o Clusters)
Wha…..Seriously?? Think about it for just a minute.
It’s not as easy as you might think to achieve a score of 90 in the three separate events. You only get 120 seconds per event to perform the correct (and I stress correct, monitored by a Master Fitness NCO) repetitions of both push-ups and sit-ups. And it’s not like you get a half hour break between each event. The whole test is administered in the shortest amount of time possible.
I can almost guarantee you most 35 year old pro athletes couldn’t make a 90 or better in all three events./smile
I was not saying such a degree of fitness isnt impressive, just not really ‘Badge Worthy’. Those super fit men and women usually distinguish themselves just fine without it.. Such as playing on Reg or Ntl teams, Base or Ntl NewsPaper ect.
Okay. Here are the standards for a 30 year old male to make a 90 in each category of the Army AFPT:
Push-Ups (two minutes) – 68 reps
Sit-Ups (two minutes) – 73 reps
Two Mile Run – 14:12 elapsed time.
Give it a try. See how well you do and then think that all you have to do to pass an Air Force AFPT is ride a stationary bike./smile
You wanna start some shit, how about the female standards for 90 in each event at 30:
P/Ups: 36 Reps
S/Ups: 72 Reps (Same as Male)
2-mile: 16:20
Just kidding, that’s the 17-21yr old female standard….
44 year old Male standards for Passing (60%) and 90% for patch:
P/Ups: 30 (90%: 57)
S/Ups: 32 (90%: 62)
2-Mile: 18:42 (90%: 15:18)
“For today’s PT Test Sir, I identify as an 18-year old female…..”
Yeah, about that running thing: what if you can walk faster than you can run? That should count for something.
It’s an Olympic Event and you can get a gold medal for it
In the Army, you can do an alternate event to the run, a 2.5 mile walk. Around 40ish you have 36 minutes to walk it for passing.
Oh, cool! That’s about 4,000 meters.
The women’s record for 5,000 meters is 20:56.88 set by Michelle Rohl LaGrange (30) in Philadelphia, PA in 1996-Apr-27. But that was a competitive event, just a tad under a 7-minute mile.
Jesus H. C., now they have a badge for getting a good AFPT score? WTF, is there anything left one can accomplish in the Army that doesn’t entitle a soldier to more uni bling from big green’s badge-a-copia?
They call it a badge, but actually it’s only a cloth patch that is worn on the PT uniform and no where else.
You get one if you make 270 (out of 300) on the test. But if you don’t get 270 on your next test, you have to rip it off your sweats till the next go-around.
Hell, some of the state National Guards (like Montana) have a high PT Test score ribbon to wear on your Class A’s.
Ribbons and badges for everybody!!
Oops, almost forgot.
The 270 score has to come from making 90 or better in each of the three events.
You can’t get an 85 in push-ups and then get a 95 in sit-ups or the run to even things out.
Sorry I wasn’t clear the first go-round.
I suppose pretty soon there will be a badge or a ribbon for not pissing your bunk in basic. I remember how shocked I was when I found out about the “stress” card issued to basic trainees. Good thing I left AD when I did. I can’t imagine what my 1st Sgt. in the 509th would have thought about that. He used to regale me with stories about the “Goon” (punishment) platoon of his brigade in the 11th Airborne Division in Germany in the 1950’s and early 60’s.
“ribbon for not pissing your bunk in basic.”
They already have one of those, Sir. It’s called the Air Force Training Ribbon and all you gotta do is finish basic. Don’t even have to have any MOS training yet to get one. (unlike the Army Service Ribbon which is not awarded until after successful completion of AIT)
In most cases, a basic Airman finishes up all of their initial and MOS training courses with at least five or six ribbons as a starter kit./smile
Looks like awards and decorations in the U.S. military is turning into a joke. I have to admit I have a few that were largely “I was there medals.” But then I was there when most didn’t want to be there.
Say Claw, I was wondering if the Supply System has assigned a FSN for the stained maxipads that will be supplied to the Trannie chicks with dicks so they can feel like one of the girls when it is their time of the month.
No, not yet. As far as I know, the product from Lunapads called Diva Cups is still a local purchase item, not yet assigned an FSN/NSN.
DD Form 1348-1 must be used as the requisition document until the FSN/NSN is published. Once that occurs, use DA Form(s) 2765 or 2765-1 to procure on hand stocks./smile
Does that include the She-Wees, too? I mean, if you’re in the bush or on the trail with no latrines anywhere in sight, a She-wee is a fine and unmessy alternative. It also perplexes and confuses the local coyotes when they’re hunting.
Is turning into a joke? It already did years ago.
All I think of when I have to deal with my rack is, it costs 65 bucks. I don’t want to have to update it ever again.
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Why the hell couldn’t i have been marked as female? The pussy in basic training would have been epic
“What happens if there’s an error and you are put in a company of females?”
Stay….
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Im all for sending trannie to die in some gawd awful foreign hell hole…….but not in our proud uniform!!!
That’s the extra-shitty part of it, being Transgender makes one non-deployable thus making life a real joy for their Superiors when orders come.
Really???? Wow, they are even more useless than I thought. Worse than useless.
Watch as the malingering MIR Commando’s come outta the woodwork claiming to be a trannie, ‘confused’, a poodle, a tree or whereever the PC buck stops.
Atleast your govt isnt giving 10.5M to a terrorist camel fucking turd-on-wheels
Weak.
I still remember “nut to butt” from Basic Training.
This is beyond stupid.
President Trump: “Where are you?”
Oh, for Pete’s sake, there’s a simple solution.
Give the TGs their own barracks. That isn’t so hard. It’ll give the Baby SeaBees some construction experience, and let the occupants duke it out over who gets which bathrooms.
As for being nondeployable because of hormone therapy, that’s a pill, not a daily appointment with an IV. They can just take those pills into the field with them.
Mmmmkay?
But like I said, if some intact male shows up in the women’s head and says he self-IDs as a girl, he may not survive the pounding that follows.
My objection to this is the expectation that it’s a free ride for those who have not ‘transitioned’, and expect it to be paid for by taxpayers. No. It’s not our problem. It’s the individual’s problem.
I think non-deployable is because of the 1-2 years post-surgery that would be the issue, as I recall. Add to that a position that is filled, but not covered by someone who’s on convalescent leave for this surgery because they joined the military to get someone else to pay for it and ride that medical leave with pay along with it. (I’d have less concern if they joined AFTER surgery, a lot less problems in that scenario)
It isn’t like they were injured in an IED attack and have to do rehab for it, or were deployed and have a screwed up back from wearing 100lbs in gear and need to rehab their gear.
But yes, with that, the military that already cuts personnel benefits to pay for “other things” would have to find that money somewhere and it’d most definitely come from personnel benefits, and/or personnel.
What is the point of the military having to put up with this insane, pricey progtard horseshit? Why are you supporting a progtard SJW project that is completely nuts? Chicks with dicks or men with boobs are not going to help us win any battles with the ‘Slamonazis who want to destroy us. Neither are wymyn who want to pretend to be men. Do you want to win or wait until they are giving you the real choice of whether to wear the blue or the black burka?