“Swinger” Major General David Haight
Yesterday, I noticed an uptick in traffic to our post about Major General David Haight from late last month. HMC Ret sent us link this morning from MSN which explains why there was an interest in the story. They drilled down into the details of the salacious story; how Jennifer Armstrong, 49, a government employee, was attracted to the general’s smile and began a torrid love affair with him that lasted ten years.
Armstrong, who told USA TODAY in interviews that the relationship began with a flirty email and ended after assignations with multiple partners at swingers’ clubs, hotels and her home, says Haight had promised a future together. “I gave him the best years of my life,” she said.
In a statement issued after news of his reprimand broke, Haight vowed to work with Army investigators untangling his dark, off-duty life.
The general had built an enviable career in special operations and light infantry assignments, but one “aw, shit” is all it takes.
Apparently, the general had “Haighters” (see what I did there) who left anonymous tips with the Army Office of Inspector General
In 2015, anonymous tips about Haight’s extramarital affairs were brought to the Pentagon’s inspector general. Ultimately, the Army’s inspector general took the case. The Army ordered Haight to sever contact with Armstrong. Investigators interviewed her and others and substantiated allegations that he had “had an affair and lived a ‘swinger lifestyle.’ ” Investigators also determined that he had spent nearly 24 hours on his government cellphone and sent more than 800 emails on his military computer to Armstrong.
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The letter of reprimand effectively ended his 30-year career. A board will determine his retirement rank. A clean record could have earned Haight as much nearly $123,000 in his first year of retirement. If he’s busted back to colonel, his pay could drop to about $98,000.
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I wonder what his rank was ten years ago. If he was a Lt Col…that would be a significant drop in pay.
He might have been a recently promoted COL 10 years ago.
One article I read said he assumed command of the 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain in January 2007 as a Colonel.
I’m just a swingingnnnnn.
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Just a swinger
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Swinger swinger ????
His penis is mightier than his brain but he gets a slap on the wrist compared to what a Company Grade Officer or nearly any NCO would get!
That’s the truth ????
Epitomizes da stoopid.
We need some pics of this chick!
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/08/24/new-details-show-how-swinger-army-generals-double-life-cost-him-his-career/89220810/
part way down the page. At least from the face she looks pretty good for her age.
I’d spit roast her with him.
IDC SARC to aisle 3!
I was one minute late
Airtight? Anybody?
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I’d bet money in the circles she ran that she’s got the tower of power triple canopy qualified!
be still O my heart….according to the article I linked above she wasn’t wild about added males.. they did FMF threeways
Those work for me even mo better.
You know the old saying….”Ask and ye shall receive”
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/cedd35fc8fa0bf9d7e9c805ac42ccaebecc86b56/c=0-279-960-1001&r=x408&c=540×405/local/-/media/2016/08/23/USATODAY/USATODAY/636075695009928389-David-Haigh-and-Jennifer-Armstrong.jpg
The old thread had FB links but they’re long gone.
1997. MCAS El Toro. A 3 and a half year Marine sentenced to 6 months in the brig, fines, busted to PVT and dishonorable discharge. All for adultery. These shitheads at the top fuck up and retire with a pot of gold. Cocksuckers
Full basic pay for a BG is about $100,000 per year.
Retirement pay is 50% of that.
Retirement pay at 30 yrs is 75% of base pay.
Not so sure about that maybe Hondo can shed some light on Flag officer retirement pay.
http://www.stripes.com/news/congress-we-went-too-far-on-star-rank-retirement-1.321816
Retired pay for GOs/FOs is computed using the same rules as for anyone else. But two provisions work to allow quite large retirement pensions for some GOs/FOs – in my view, too large.
1. About a decade or so ago, the cap of 75% for military retired pay was lifted. Since GOs/FOs and a few other grades are allowed to serve past 30 years of service, this means individuals at these grades can earn a pension greater than 75% of base pay.
2. For GO/FO ranks, base pay received while serving on active duty is limited by law – I believe it’s limited for both grades to pay equivalent to Level II of the Executive Schedule. However, that legal prohibition only covers active duty service; retired pay is apparently calculated based on published DFAS pay scales, which for 3- and 4-star GOs/FOs are higher than the legal limit. (Federal civilian pay scales don’t do this – they “flatline” at the higher grades when they hit a statutory limit.) This means that under certain circumstances a 3- or 4-star GO/FO can actually receive MORE in monthly retired pay than they ever earned in base pay while serving on active duty.
I have no problem with people who serve beyond 30 years continuing to accrue a larger pension. However, IMO the latter case – a select few qualifying for a monthly pension that exceeds any monthly base pay they ever received – is simply ludicrous.
A simple solution that fixes this stupidity would a one-line addition to Federal law in the appropriate part of Title 10, reading as follows: “The maximum monthly military retired pay due any individual at time of retirement shall not exceed the maximum monthly base pay that individual received while serving on active duty.”
Addendum: Federal law has apparently been changed to fix the problem I noted above – now, calculation of retired pay is also capped by being based on Level II of the Federal Executive Schedule for GOs/FOs retiring in the future, which means the max is now no more than 100% of highest base pay received (for a 40-year career). The article Tony 180A linked above goes into more detail regarding the history and mechanics of the changes. I hadn’t heard or read about the last change (2014) listed in the article before reading the article today.
That latest change in Federal law (2014) fixes the second issue (retired pay for senior GOs/FOs exceeding max base pay ever received) that I listed above. However, the change is being phased in, with those serving on 31 Dec 2014 at least partially “grandfathered”. So some 3- and 4-star GOs/FOs currently “on the books” may still be able to retire and receive pensions larger than any base pay they ever received on active duty.
Base pay for a BG or RDML (O-7) is substantially higher than that – try well over $12,000 and change monthly with over 20 years of service, or over $144k annually.
http://www.dfas.mil/dam/jcr:81e6bd2c-a106-461b-851d-c77c7066baa5/2016MilitaryPayChart.pdf
I also don’t think you’ll find too many O-7s with less than about 25-30 years of service, either – which equates to retired pay that’s between 62.5% and 75% of base pay (2.5% per year of service).
retirement pay for a BG with 30 years is about 105K.
That’s in the ballpark if not dead on. Would have to do a “high-3” average using the last 3 years’ pay scales to double check you – base pay this year for an O7 over 30 is $12,347.70 monthly, but it was lower in 2014 and 2015. How much lower, dunno – and don’t really care.
I’m thinking he’s going to be worried about a considerably lower pay scale for computing his retired pay. Since the affair continued while he was an O6 and O7, I’m thinking there’s a good chance he may be retired as an O5.
Mrs Haight and her lawyer are going to be hauling his cash out in dump trucks. His shit is weak.
Agreed. And he may well end up losing more than his stars.
The USA Today article about Haight implies that the affair may have begun while he was CO of one of the ranger Battalions in 2005. Presumably, that means he’s at risk of losing O6 as well as O7/O8. And if he didn’t have 3 years TIG as O5 before the affair began, he might lose O5 as well on retirement – I’d guess not, but it could theoretically happen.
There is indeed precedent. MG John Meher ended up losing both stars and retiring as a COL under what I recall were substantially less salacious circumstances.
It seems to me that if his misconduct spanned a decade and an investigation can substantiate that, then he needs to be shown the door with whatever retirement pay he rates based on the rank he honorably served in.
In other words, if he started his bullshit as far back when he was a Major, then he goes out the door with that rank and the retirement pay that goes with it.
(As someone else stated, these senior officers should be hammered to the wall with the full force of the UCMJ behind their punishment because you can bet, at one point in their career, they adjudicated over an enlisted member for similar shenanigans, and probably hammered them)
Exactly. I recommend busted down to PVT, 6 months in the brig, loss of retirement and last but not least a dishonorable discharge.
And more power to her. Hoping the last pay grade in which he successfully performed was 0-5/0-6. I have zip, nada, no sympathy for turds such as this. Hope those rolls in the hay were worth potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars over his lifetime. Also hope the Mrs. gets half of his retirement, the house, the cars and every damn thing that isn’t nailed down. His troops look up to him, possibly seek his counsel, and he’s a dipshit with his brains below his belt. Seems to have been an increase in the number of such lowlifes the past few years. If this many are being caught, how many are evading scrutiny? Where is the honor?
^^^WORD^^^
Can anyone say Lee Marvin?
Eddie Murphy said it best (NSFW, the clergy, children or those with virgin ears);
She “gave him the best years of her life”. 10yrs were it”? This whole “I’m just a stupid woman so pay me big bucks” crap is horseshit. Both deserve scorn.
Swinger? Is it that, he came in like a wrecking ball…..
For those of you with Miley Cyrus singing in your head now, you’re welcome.
Anyone else imagining the general naked on a wrecking ball, my work here is done.
With all due respect there MSG, fuck you!!!! LOL
Oh, I don’t think he’ll get away with it nearly as much as some of you do. Prime target for blackmail, etc.
London party girl Christine Keeler 1964, had simultaneous affairs Tory with PM Profumo and a Russian/Soviet Naval attache Ivanov.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401524/Former-model-Christine-Keeler-71-unrecognisable-50-years-Profumo-affair.html
Nearly brought down the Brit government at the time.
Haight needs more than just a wrist slap over this asinine shit.
98Gs, tough break…..
Swinger??
I don’t see any Air Assault wings on his uniform….
Haight’s adventures have all the makings of an excellent movie… maybe ID SARC could produce it. And direct.
The best swinging in my life
Hell, he’d try to star in it too…
Armstrong, who told USA TODAY in interviews that the relationship began with a flirty email and ended after assignations with multiple partners at swingers’ clubs, hotels and her home, says Haight had promised a future together. “I gave him the best years of my life,” she said.
Right the best years of your life as a whore to a married man…I’ve no sympathy for either of these lying sacks of shit. Once again proving that character matters, if you’ll lie to your spouse you’ll lie to anyone.
I wonder how many people were disciplined for minor shit by this asshole while he was committing his own crimes on a regular basis?
Fuck this guy he should be dismissed and try life in the dreaded private sector.
^^What VOV said^^
No indication I could find to suggest the ‘secondary squeeze’ had plans to marry the dirtbag, pending divorce from his wife, who was his (then) primary squeeze. Probably the same wife who put up with his douchebaggery and followed him around the world for years while rearing their kids. I wonder if the backup squeeze was hoping for a couple of kids of their own (although she was up in years), a picket fence and a couple of puppies? You know, that whole Father Knows Best scenario. If she had hoped to make a life with this hopefully soon-to-be-non-flag-officer, under what set of circumstances did she believe he would not continue his douchebaggery while married to her?
Isn’t that the same one of shit that Monica Lewinsky ws saying about her affair with Bill Clinton?
A woman who continued an affair with a married man for 10 years in the hope of a future together is not the sharpest blade in the tool chest.
And now she wants money? I don’t think so. She should be brought up on charges for being as dumb as her squeeze Haight.
“life as a whore”
The definition of whore: A woman with the sexual morals of a man. lolz
He makes Captain Simmons look like a rank amateur in wanker walking. Petraeus too, for that matter.
Well at least the ladies are HOT !!!!!
I’ll go with this one.
Me too. That’s actually the one I had in mind but went with Jimmy Dean for the sausage connection. It’s all about the sausage.
Yup, again. Another case of, “A stiff dick has no conscience.”
As noted in past threads the male body has enuff blood to operate the brain and a dick….but not at the same time.
NCIS New Orleans this week had a program based on a LTG that everyone thought was diddling a sweet young thing. Kept thinking of this thread.
Wonder if Mrs Haight has hauled his shit out yet?
I sincerely hope so and hope he gets stuck with the moving company bill.
Swinging cocksucker.
That is a possibility. A nice threesome: Dave, Jenny, and Lance.
i was going to say somethin’ but i need to take a dump and i can’t type while dropping.
BFD, he was a swinger. Plenty of Soldiers from the beginning of time have been.
Did he do his job, take care of his troops and kill the enemy?
Now if Mrs. H wants to dick stomp him that is their business.
Fucking Moral Police, same kind of crap that kept an entire Island dry because of one DUI.
Yes, this is an issue. It’s an issue because we have a GO or FO who’s set himself up to be a primary target for blackmail – and has also demonstrated a pattern of reckless behavior and bad judgement lasting a decade.
I wouldn’t care too much if the guy was single, or if he’d simply had a discrete affair. But hitting swinger clubs and engaging in numerous instances of multipartner sex while married (and presumably unknown to his wife) is a bit beyond that. And in my book that becomes a significant issue when the individual concerned is is also simultaneously holding a position that could make him a very lucrative target for blackmail by foreign intelligence services.
The Blackmail did not happen.
We do not know what the Generals actions would be in response to a Blackmail scheme. For all we know he would have simply retired if he was the target of Blackmail.
Could have, maybe, possibly is not the level of certainty we should want when ending someone’s career.
I am more concerned in actual reckless behavior that jeopardized Men and Missions.
Police Officer: “Son, you were doing 75 when you drove through that school zone at 7:45AM! You could have killed someone’s kid!”
Driver: “Well, I didn’t hit anyone. So, no harm no foul, right?”
Being that reckless and foolhardy is in and of itself reason enough to end his career. You do remember what a theater-level Director of Operations (J3) does, right?
Personally, I don’t give a hoot in hell who or how many people this guy was sleeping with; that’s not my concern. I do care that he was intentionally and recklessly engaging in off-duty behavior that made him a lucrative blackmail target for foreign intel while serving as a military GO/FO in an critical position having access to incredibly sensitive information.
That is a nice apples to school bus analogy you did there. Specially since speed limits have negative actual impact of traffic fatalities.
https://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox/
Back to the General. You state your opinion like it is fact that his action were reckless and foolhardy. The only consequence that came out of it was an arbitrary moral code punishment because something might have happened, but actually did not.
Now you maybe able to convince that his swinger lifestyle took up a shit ton of his time that should have been devoted to being the Battle Space Commander and therefore neglecting his duties and Moral obligation to his Troops.
You are aware that Montana still has speed limits in school zones, right? And that fines are doubled for violations occurring in same? http://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/61/8/61-8-726.htm Further, the article you cited only applied to rural interstates and selected other rural highways well outside towns and urban areas. Last time I checked, neither of those has very many school zones. So it appears you’re a bit unclear of what constitutes an “apples to school bus comparison”. Above, I was commenting on your claim that “Since nothing bad happened, no consequences should be imposed” – which is EXACTLY what your “The Blackmail did not happen” argument implies. Sorry, but that’s bogus. Risky behavior creates unsafe conditions, regardless of whether anything bad actually happens or not. That’s why it’s often banned by law: to prevent an idiot from injuring or killing someone else through thoughtless or deliberate reckless behavior. The example I used is completely apropos – particularly since, as I note above, Montana does in fact recognize school zone speed limits, and does indeed impose enhanced penalties for violations occurring in same. I could just as easily used an example including negligent discharge of firearms (“But your honor, I missed the baby by a good 2 feet; no one was hurt and I paid for the broken window – so no harm no foul, right?”) or of someone burning trash during a “no burn” period because of drought (“Your honor, I put out the spreading fire before it got to anyone else’s property – so no problem!”). I simply chose to use the school zone example instead. If you’re going to try and chide someone for providing a bad example, best to first (1) make sure you actually understand what they’re saying, (2) make sure they’re using a bad example, and (3) make sure your own counterargument is both factual and appropriate. Yes, this guy’s actions were foolhardy. They were foolhardy because they were voluntary actions which exposed him to potential blackmail while he had access to highly critical classified information. They were also foolhardy actions because they were in direct violation of the… Read more »
like +10.
If nothing else, his behavior shone another bad light on the US Army. That’s enough for me.
John Q. Public sees that we can’t control our leadership (again) when it comes to upholding traditional, moral values. PVT Snuffy wonders why he is in trouble for banging his Squad Leader’s wife cause “the Generals do it”.
Perception is reality whether we like it or not. If it’s perceived that our senior leadership will screw everything that IDC SARC turns down, then it must be true.
The public won’t support a military if they think their little Johnny or Janey is going to get banged by their bosses or treated different for their own “misguided” actions.
CB Senior, it’s called “good order and discipline”, something as leaders we are/were supposed to always uphold and it still means something to some of us. Something kinda like “integrity”. Anyone remember when THAT word meant something?
And here’s something that has absolutely nothing to do with MG Haight or his assignations … but I noticed in his photo:
He’s wearing a general officer’s service cap and his lapels are bare of branch, as a general officer’s should be … but doesn’t he have colonel’s shoulder straps on? A general officer’s straps have a black background, and I distinctly see Infantry Blue on his.
They do indeed – and it also appears they have eagles on them vice stars, though it’s hard to tell that with certainty given the angle.
Unless that picture was taken literally during his promotion ceremony to BG, I don’t quite “get” that one either. I’d love to know the backstory.
You both are right I can’t believe I did not notice that yesterday
I’m a friend of the family, that picture was taken at his promotion ceremony from COL to BG. The shoulder boards are sky blue, as he was commandant of the infantry school at the time.
Since you’re a friend, where was the wife in all this? One can’t be so naive. If she stays after a 10 plus year love affair, she’s just as dumb as anyone. Says a lot about her and the family.
How come nothing like this ever happened to ME?
I know why; I was ENLISTED! That’s why.
Officers have all the fuckin’ fun.
Why was no punishment given to the senior US Army Generals that had command of this junior ranking, Later Day Saint?
Were the Lieutenant Generals too busy playing golf with the homosexual, Secretary of the Army?
Where the four star Generals watching through the key hole?
I am a retired, senior ranking US Army officer with 40 years service….. old school.
I knew both Dave and Jennifer. My wife and I were introduced to them at Ft Knox. About 5 years ago. I thought they were married to each other. He introduced her to me as his wife. She’s a beautiful blond and that at that time had just recovered from breast cancer. I don’t agree with what they did, I’m just confirming that they acted very married (to include the wearing of wedding rings). Such a shame. Now I question where was the real Mrs in all this? Can someone for that long be so naive? This obviously wasn’t just an affair. This was a another life/marriage and commitment. One question why not just get divorced if you love someone else?