Ignoring the realities of terrorism
Last night I saw some BS article somewhere in which some goober actually said that if you ask any veteran of any real military experience, he’ll tell you that global warming or climate change or whatever it’s called today is our most pressing national security problem. I guess that’s why Bernie Sanders said it last night, according to Talking Point Memo;
“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism. And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say, you’re going to see counties all over the world…they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops, and you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict,” Sanders said.
Well, that’s because the socialists and the Marxists all think the whole of world history is just a record of economic struggle. They can’t stray too far into the influence of other factors like radical religious ideology, otherwise they start losing credibility.
I really did try to read this load of feces at the Salon about how we caused Islamic terrorism, but I guess I’m just a little too intolerant of idiots today.
As soon as the news of the attacks broke, even though there was no evidence and practically nothing was known about the attackers, a Who’s Who of right-wing pundits immediately latched on to the violence as an opportunity to demonize Muslims and refugees from Muslim-majority countries.
The only evidence that most of the world needed was the fact that the attack on Paris closely resembled the attack on Mumbai a few short years ago. Well, that and the fact tha the only people who cause destruction in the Paris neighborhoods are those “French youths of African descent” that we read about whenever there is a rampage in the streets of the City of Lights.
Every time Islamic extremists carry out an attack, the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims are expected to collectively apologize; it has become a cold cliché at this point.
No, not “every time”, but just once would be nice.
Demonstrating how right-wing and Islamic extremist logic intersect, ISIS actually favorably cited the black-and-white worldview shared ironically by both former President George W. Bush and his intractable foe, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. ISIS wrote: “As Shaykh Usamah Ibn Ladin said, ‘The world today is divided into two camps. Bush spoke the truth when he said, “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.” Meaning, either you are with the crusade or you are with Islam.’”
No. What President Bush actually said was “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.” You didn’t need to change a word of what he actually said to understand his meaning.
That’s where I stopped reading the Salon piece that says that we caused the attack on Paris. Those are the people hoping to put Clinton, Sanders or O’Malley in the White House. People who ignore the real causes of terrorism for their intellectually shallow political agenda.
Category: Terror War
How long before Lars pops up to explain how wrong every non-liberal is, heavily mixed with how he’s so much smarter and morally-superior?
Another clue for the perpetually clueless would have been the reports that the people killing other people were shouting Allahu Ackbar.
And, it’s not the Catholics who take exception to soccer, or a concert, or people sitting at outdoor cafes.
Slate, Salon and PuffingHoes are good at pushing feces, it’s what they do.
I really don’t much give a shit as to what the progressive/marxist/commie bastards think about the latest Islamic expression of displeasure. It’s laughable that they persist in contrasting world reaction to Muslim Terrorism with Muslim-on-Muslim violence and non-Muslim terrorism. I would like the progressive/marxist/commie bastards to go to Paris, seek out the families of those shot to pieces and blown to bits and correct their perspective. I’m sure they will care as much as I do. There is a strategy that will ultimately be arrived at by real leaders. It will most certainly include great violence but, more importantly, it will call for direct punishment of multiple and varying types for states that do not aggressively root out terrorists in their countries. The bleeding hearts will wail, wring their hands, and gnash their teeth for the innocents who will be affected but that’s just too freakin’ bad.
I’m waiting to find out what these apologists do or say when they are facing the business end of an ISer’s AK, or when they’re hiding behind counters and begging, like those people who were slaughtered in the Nairobi shopping mall last year.
Have they forgotten that already?
It has to be a ton of work to impress the world with your superior intelligence when you are a lib.
Their arrogance and air of superiority belie the fact that they are deeply insecure in their own visions of themselves and understand that most of their lives have been in pursuit of failed economic and humanistic policies.
What’s worse is when events an ocean away prove to the world that the entire premise of their understanding of human nature is totally and reprehensibly wrong headed.
Fuck off and go piss up a rope libs, all of you, I don’t know how much longer the world will tolerate your stupidity…
Even more telling, the special snowflakes at Mizzou and BLM were upset at the Paris terror attack’s stealing the spot-light, so to speak.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/
Campus activists in America showed their true faces during an international tragedy last night: they are the selfish, spoiled children we always knew they were.
“Black Lives Matter and Mizzou protesters responded to the murder of scores of people in Paris at the hands of Islamic extremists by complaining about losing the spotlight and saying their “struggles” were being “erased.” Their struggles, remember, consist of a poop swastika of unknown provenance and unsubstantiated claims of racially-charged remarks somewhere near Missouri’s campus.”
Now that is fucking outrageous. My God! How fucked up in the head can people be?
If we are talking about total deaths, total instability, economic collapse, and societies spiraling into conflict…
then, “yes” global warming is a massive threat and we are already b
But the immediate short term threat is ISIS/Islamic extremism and its influence on internal and international political actions by Muslims.
Most of you won’t accept this because most of you are climate change deniers.
But, fortunately, you view on this is increasingly and inevitably irrelevant. The only effect it has is slowing the rate in which we respond and magnifying the consequences due to the delayed action.
The DoD already recognizes climate change as a global international security threat.
I don’t deny Climate Change Mr. Taylor. I dislike the use of the term used to describe the Earth retaining more energy from the sun that is being used. It’s misleading.
I do believe the impact mere humans have on ‘Energy Retention’ is being overstated and used to bilk billions out of the unknowing.
Love your work peaches.
Dave, I also won’t deny climate change. It is a simple fact that the Earth’s climate changes over time.
I also believe that the pretense that humanity can significantly impact these cycles is an outright political ploy to gain further control over the great unwashed.
How many make up a ‘Most’? Do we need more than 2?
Now see, this is something I can understand – it is hard to comprehend how we can be affecting such a vast ecosystem, and there are plenty of political ploys that seek to control the ‘great unwashed’.
That said, if you’d consider going to your local university and sitting in on a talk or two about the many aspects of climate science, you’d quickly see that it isn’t this hand-having stuff from Al Gore, or any other politician, with a moving soundtrack and videos of poor little polar bears floating away on tiny patches of ice. Rather, it’s generally very detailed science and mathematics, interconnected across multiple fields, by people who aren’t pushing an agenda but are rather trying to understand the world and will show you all the data and experiments they do. And believe me, if you have some insight and can correct them on something, and prove it, they’ll be thrilled.
If you do all this, you’ll see pretty quickly there’s some very good science being done that says that humans have had a pronounced effect on the climate. This doesn’t mean the political actions being pushed by Democrats are suddenly perfect or even the right strategy, but the science is pretty conclusive at this point.
My two cents. What have you got to lose from trying?
What studying I have done on the subject, and I have done some, suggests that compared to what is wrought by the universe in terms of the Earth’s climate swings amounts to levels essentially insurmountable by mankind.
Based on ice cores, geologic samples, etc, the statistics appear clear.
So the issue seems to me to be whether mankind even has the capability to SIGNIFICANTLY impact global climate.
Models DO differ, mind you, so I’ll just play the skeptic and leave it that.
I tend to think of it a bit like launching a rocket. You have gigantic thrusters generating enormous thrust for a large, well-designed structure,.. but a small change to things like the fuel/oxidizer flow rates or a delay in stabilizing measures can have an enormous impact on trajectory and viability.
Compared to the primary forces in question, these factors are miniscule, but they aren’t overriding the main forces, they’re altering them in ways that are inherently less stable.
I won’t try to convince you of this; it’s just my take on it from talking to people (and having built rockets, hence the comparisons).
Interestingly, I take the opposite perspective – I don’t worry too much about the ‘doomsday’ scenarios because I feel we can significantly impact the climate once the necessity to do so becomes clear. Whether this is more or less cost effective than addressing things now is something I’m not at all certain on.
Again, just my two cents.
You are threatening the ‘Most’ factual analysis. This trend could get out of hand……then we would become them.
Get with the program, be part of the “Most”, play well with others, stop all this independent thinking.
Real science adjusts the theory to fit the data, not the data to fit the theory.
The climate alarmists keep readjusting data to fit the theory.
That is not science. That is fraud.
There isn’t really any wide-spread altering of data to fit the theory here — the only scenarios in which data does get altered are 1) to make educated adjustments based on expected shortcomings, or 2) the very, very rare case of individuals being idiots.
The first case is more like adjusting a translation from another language – like the one the other night from Hollande, where at first they translated part as ‘war’, and then later adjusted it as ‘fight’. This does change the meaning of what he’d said, but it was a correction of the initial error in processing his words. This happens with data, too.
The second case happens, but rarely. Just as most Marines aren’t throwing puppies off cliffs (but LCPL Motari did) and soldiers aren’t killing civilians (but SSGT Bales did), most scientists aren’t committing fraud with their data (but a few may be). Those few who are shouldn’t reflect badly on the rest of the community or their conclusions, though.
Again, I’ll make the same suggestion I did above – go to a local university, talk to some of the researchers, most will even show you how to access the models, the data, how that data is altered, etc. There isn’t any secret conspiracy here. The physics of climate and atmospheric science exists independently from the politics of it.
LC, I’m calling horse shit on your suppositions and this entire thread as a bunch of horse shit and contrived “actualities” put forth by the biggest charlatans since the Ringling Brothers put together their first bearded lady sideshow.
The fact is that the data you are citing has no value with a 20% to 40% error rate being the norm rather than the exception.
the climate measuring gauges are put on tops of black flat roofs with temps being recorded 10 degrees higher than weather stations 100 feet away.
There is no way that the weather stations al over the globe have been certified and the data interpreted correctly since it is flawed in the first place.
Mankind has NO bearing on the climate any more than the Man in the Moon controls the phases of the moon.
This is the biggest ripoff ever in the history of civilization.
The Earth gets 99% of its energy from the Sun. Nothing we do will change that.
Planet Earth has compensation mechanisms that you idiots forget to put in the equation.
The fact that you and all the other “enlightened progressives” have one simple problem. Arrogance…
You libs are so arrogant you think that the world revolves around you and your higher thinking when in reality no matter what you say, you are NOT smarter than Mother Nature in the least.
Climate Change, global warming whatever you want to call it is bull shit, all of it…
Talk about closed minded all libs take the cake with their stupidity and display it on a daily basis to anyone with half a functioning brain.
If that is true, why are the readings from Siberia left out of the global temperature statistics?
Not being an expert on these things, I can’t say for certain – but this isn’t a ‘gotcha’. It could be it isn’t left out and people simply claim it is, it could be it’s simply unreliable data, it could be there isn’t sufficient data, .. it could be all sorts of things. The primary point is, there isn’t one source of climate data which people then pick and choose from. There are lots of sources, and over time they’ve shifted from people going out and measuring a temperature (at an arbitrary time of day, with old equipment that isn’t calibrated carefully, etc., etc.) to high-tech satellites that have global, high resolution coverage. So, if someone left out some readings from Siberian ground stations (for whatever reason), there are other sources which cover those areas now. I’m not a climate scientist but I have worked with a few, and I can assure you there is global data specific to Siberia from satellites. It’s used in models all the time, not left out of some global statistic. If, as Thunderstixx asserts above, we only had poor sources of data with 20-40% error rates, a case could easily be made that any results are extremely questionable. But we have multiple sources of data, and those sources are getting increasingly sophisticated. We’ve gone from a guy waking up and reading an analog thermometer sitting outside his laundry exhaust at whatever time he feels like it, to dedicated sensor stations which attempt to track multiple variables at regular intervals with calibrated equipment, not to mention advanced satellites with a wide ranging of monitoring capabilities. It’s like comparing the identification capabilities of a grainy, unfocused Polaroid film with a modern, high resolution video camera. As for adjustments to data, here’s one (long) link with a bit more information. The final analogy I’ll leave is that I’m sure you’ve heard the liberal lament of how we spend more on defense than the next 8 countries combined, right? And how, to them, this settles it that we spend too much? But it ignores the fact that purchasing… Read more »
Don’t have a dog in this fight – not sure whether a hundred plus years of man spewing carbon into the air is less significant than something like Iceland volcanoes, Krakatoa, etc. I think blaming the rise of Islamist extremism on reduced rainfall is a stretch – these assholes have been at war with us off and on for a thousand years and we are just too damn stupid to realize it. I am, however, in favor of small scale global warming and support temporarily raising the temperature of several spots in the Mideast a bit… say to a few million degrees.
I think blaming the rise of Islamist extremism on reduced rainfall is a stretch – these assholes have been at war with us off and on for a thousand years and we are just too damn stupid to realize it. Despite providing an opposing viewpoint above, I don’t feel like I have a dog in this fight either. I think the science is conclusive (all while being imprecise), but if people disagree, that’s their prerogative. As for the connection between climate change and terrorism, the thinking goes like this – climate change is going to alter food and water supplies, which means people will have to move. Since things like jobs and infrastructure can’t be created overnight, this can breed frustrations from people trying to survive. This happens most often in those lovely parts of the world where civility isn’t common and fanaticism runs amuck, so naturally violence erupts. This breeds terrorists. Now, that’s all very reasonable, I think, but quantifying the cause and effect relationships is damn tricky – even if we take the drying up of a water source as a direct result of climate change (not a given, but nor a stretch), do we attribute the unrest this eventually results in, as above, to climate change? Or to the already-present fanaticism? In the direct case of a terrorist, I’d argue the latter is considerably more important. But a disgruntled population, even if nonviolent, can provide tacit support for more violent types amongst it and those non-violent sorts might just be angry due to lack of jobs, lack of security, etc. In short, I think we can all agree that instability -which will be a result of changing climate, whether man-made or not- can breed unrest, which can aid terrorism. It’s just a question of whether we say it’s a dominant cause or a minor one. For an imperfect off-the-cuff analogy, it’s like car accidents – a prime cause of them is inattentive drivers. No question. So what’s the cause of inattentive drivers? Take your pick – irresponsible people, alcohol, cell phones, etc. Many states have laws that… Read more »
PS……. I voted to keep you on the Island.
I never voted. Someone stole my coconut.
Glowbull Wormening yet again, I remember the “Greenie” propaganda from when I was in college in the late eighties when they said that the World’s resources would be depleted in about ten years, the forests would soon be depleted and at least fifty percent of the Earth’s population would be dead by the year 2000 due to climate change, crop lands becoming deserts, the hole in the ozone layer, acid rain,… Say, WHEN was the last time anyone heard about the ozone layer or acid rain in North America? Today our rivers are cleaner AND today there is MORE forested acreage in the Continental U.S. than we had in the 1930’s, STOP GLOBAL WHINING!!!
No shit! I remember that crap from elementary school in the early 90s. The hole in the ozone layer would kill us all, starting with Australia for some reason. That and the deforestation of Brazil would eliminate our oxygen supply, leading to worldwide asphyxiation.
Then around ’97 or so, they stopped talking about it. Nobody admitted they were wrong, they just pretended all the attempted hysteria never happened. This taught me a valuable lesson about the “sky is falling” crowd.
Yep-I specifically remember one of my profs in the late 80’s saying that it was an absolute certainty that we would run out of gas within 25 years. I wonder if he walks everywhere today-just for spite.
That noted climate scientist, Ted Danson, said, back in 1988, that the oceans would be dead in 10 years, and we would follow shortly afterward.
Let’s see, 1988 + 10 years, I think that’s 1998. We’ve all been dead for 17 years?
Can’t be, Algore recently purchased some expensive ocean-front property and a mansion. Would he do that at the edge of a dead ocean?
Maybe Algore likes the smell of dead fish…
I remember when my husband was stationed in Norfolk, VA, in 1973 and the talk was of the mini ice age we were entering. The science proved it!
I am old enough to remember when the same so-called “experts” were blabbering on about the coming ice age and global cooling, back in the 70s! Then, ehrn that ran out of steam, they switched to the ozone layer, then the rainforest, then to global warming. When that didn’t work out the way they said it would, they switched to “climate change” and started blaming every negative thing on it i.e. if it rains too much; climate change. If it gets too hot; climate change. If it gets too cold; yep, climate change. Too many terrorists blowing shit up; gotta be climate change.
An eco nut asked me; “so you don’t believe the earth is warming”? I said; “of course it’s warming. It’s been warming since the last ice age”. I then asked said eco nut; “what is the normal average global temperature supposed to be”? I ask that question all the time and I’m still waiting for an answer. Ya see, if we’re gonna claim that the temp is getting warmer, then we ought to have a baseline normal average global temperature to compare to; yes? Problem is; there is no such thing. The earth has been warmer than it is today and it has been colder than it is today. No mankind input was involved at any other time when those climate changes happened.
Purposely ignoring you today, because you don’t know what I do!
You probably know more about what makes the bad guys tick than most of them do.
Hey sparky, you didn’t answer my question yesterday. Why would you place someone like the Shia, who also attack us before the Kurds and why are you disregarding the fact that we do try to make allies in the ME?
Oh and the planet is in constant flux and right now? The science shows that you’re wrong. We should be cleaning up our shit because it’s a good idea, but running about claiming the sky is falling while quietly sweeping the lies, falsified reports, scandals and everything else under the rug shows just how poorly read you are.
I didn’t place the Shia before the Kurds.
And science does not show I am wrong. Kind of a waste of time to discuss climate change with a denier. There has been more than two decades of discussion.
The rest of the world has been patient with climate denying morons.
Climate change is happening. The debate only delays action at this point.
Right now climate denying politicians are not only trying to block climate change research they are even trying to block research on the consequences. So even if it is not being caused or contributed to by human activity they are trying to prevent us from trying to find the consequences of natural change.
Nobody denies the climate is changing, Lars. It’s been changing since the dawn of time and will continue changing until the end of it. We just take issue with the claim that it’s anthropologicallly-induced.
Do you think that the climate shift a millennium ago that dried the Arizona farmland that once fed the Anasazi “cliff dweller” civilization into the desert we know today happened because of their “carbon footprint?”
You did though, you said our greatest ally in the ME are the Shia and Iran. And I quote from you yourself, “Our best allies against ISIS are Shias, especially Iran, and moderate Sunni groups and nations.’
And yes, the science does say with full conviction, “We don’t know.” that’s the crux of it. If your hill to die on were based on water problems due to a mixture of pollution, contagion and availability? You might have a leg to stand on since those things are actually, you know, scientifically sound. The shit you’re spouting? Wouldn’t pass the smell test if grant money, politicians and integrity were involved. Or are you ignoring that data ‘went missing yo’ and those hacked emails literally saying, ‘We lied to give you the numbers you needed.’.
You know who else did this shit? Andrew Wakefield. Some homework for you sparky, go tell me just how much he’s damaged the world and give me a rough estimate of how many people he has gotten killed and will get killed down the road.
Hey I have an idea. Why don’t we find us some good muslims and send them money and modern weapons? What could wrong?
“The DoD already recognizes climate change as a global international security threat.”
Threat hell, it’s a bonus. Rising sea levels will take care of those man made Chinese islands. Problem solved!
P.S. – when did they start building those island Lars? I never did see a link substantiation your assertions. What a surprise…
Climate change has existed for as long as the earth. Someone please take a scientific meteorological or oceanography course. Does human interaction make a difference? Somewhat. But if you go that route, you better take a long hard look at China, Thailand, India, and all those countries who give a rat’s behind about ecology. If you haven’t been there, spend your dime and check it out. Plus we tend th o be amazingly naive about where energy comes from. Electric cars apparently have magical power sources because all energy for those critters come from clean sources. Not to mention what hazardous materials goes into them and how do you dispose of it at end of life. Ethenol? Yeah, look that up. Seriously. Takes more energy to make a product that puts out less energy.
All that aside, the current world situation with those who want to bring the civilized world back to the stone age, we better pay attention. They care nothing for global warming or anything else except their “religion” and making everyone else conform to it. It is not time for complacency or “tolerance”. Don’t turn your back on the ocean…
Lars, you ignorant ass. Try to get this into that dormant organ you have for a brain: this planet goes through repeated cycles of warming and cooling. That is how it balances itself. We are, in fact, in an interglacial period NOW that has been going on for 18,000 years, and may just be coming to an end. What he have RIGHT NOW is W-E-A-T-H-E-R, NOT CLIMATE. There is a massive difference between the two, but since you don’t understand the entire thing, here’s your homework: the Sahara Desert goes through regular cycles of green, wet savannah changing to hot, dry desert. This has been proven by mud cores from the Atlantic coast of Africa. These changes come in one to two generations – basically, 40 to 80 years. There have been THREE tropical cyclones making landfall THIS YEAR on the Arabian peninsula. This is rare. Oman, in fact, has had so much rainfall in the past five years that the ground is supersaturated and can’t hold any more water, so Oman is now having devastating flooding when it rains. Yemen has been subjected to TWO of those tropical cyclones in less than a one-month period, in October, and has also had devastating flooding. Those tropical cyclones normally go north from the Arabian Sea to Pakistan and India. The current that produces those storms has changed direction. It may be permanent. The cold blob of water in the north Atlantic may completely disrupt the northeastern flow of the Gulf stream. We may see the north Atlantic freeze up now. Antarctica is now gaining MORE snow load than ever, per NASA’s released statement. Those may be nothing but WEATHER cycles, or they may be longer term, and therefore PERMANENT (to us ephemerals) changes, which is CLIMATE. Unfortunately, if they ARE permanent, none of us will be around to find out just how permanent they are. But we mere puny humans have NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER over anything this planet does. It can wipe us out in the blink of an eye. Africa is splitting apart. The rifting activity is becoming more pronounced.… Read more »
What alarmists fail to mention is that when we first started recording temperatures we were just coming out of the Little Ice Age.
Yes.
You know your stuff Hon.
I’m impressed, grateful too !!!
These libs are so incredibly stupid it just bogs the mind.
Of course libs can never be wrong, they just need more money to prove it.
I mean, after all Detroit, Chicago and the whole gun control thing has worked out so well for them…
Libs would fuck up a one car funeral on a one way street.
It’s a lie, a complete hoax and lie.
Okay, you HAVE to post a spew alert when you put Detroit, Chicago and a funeral in the same paragraph! I was not prepared for that.
Fuck off. I am going to go ahead and listen to the scientists.
They have controlled for the cycles in their analysis of current trends, and there are billions of data points that make it clear this is not merely symptomatic of a cycle.
How is that thesis research coming, Lars?
Gets tough about this time of year.
Studying is hard, isn’t it?
Bullshit, Lars, pure bullshit.
There is physical evidence that shows the Alps were free of ice and snow 7,000 years ago. Now they’re not free of ice and snow.
NASA’s news release last week says that Antarctica is gaining snow load more rapidly than had been predicted.
You go fuck YOURSELF, lars, you ignorant attention slut.
Climate change deniers are some of the biggest morons on the face of the plane. And they are almost all American because we are the only nation that has a constant media campaign trying to deny the scientific evidence.
planet.
Yeah, we’re all big morons…said the dude who thinks we all get into steel tubes and breathe recycled air.
I AM TIRED OF ALL THESE MOTHER
FU&%ING MORONS ON THIS MOTHER
FU&%ING PLANE!
Lars, were those of us who scoffed at a coming ice age back in the 70’s also morons? Were those of us who were openly, even derisively, skeptical of the concept of oil resources peaking in the 90’s morons? Or how about worldwide famine, also predicted by liberals? Were we morons for ignoring the supposedly disastrous depletion of the ozone layer? what about those rising oceans and disappearing arctic ice masses and their endangered polar bears? It goes on and on.
You see, Lars, with you liberals it’s always something that represents an existential crisis that mankind should be fearful of, and when cooler minds tend to be skeptical of your crisis du jour, you ALWAYS call us morons. It is this old man’s opinion that even the most rudimentary examination of past liberal, Chicken Little hysterics will show who the true morons have been and still are.
I keep in mind that 1980s prediction that we were heading toward runaway global warming and the upper Midwest would become a tropical area, with palm trees growing on the beaches.
I still don’t see no palm trees growing nowhere but in that dang indoor conservatory some place in some botanical garden.
I think the only planet in this solar system that has runaway global warming is Venus, because its surface is volcanically active and constantly being replaced. Also, poor old Venus doesn’t have a moon like ours to create a tidal pull to counter the sun’s tidal pull. And Venus takes 4 long days to make one full rotation, so it’s totally baked.
“with palm trees growing on the beaches. ”
And I tell you I’m PISSED that there ain’t no palm trees here in MN.
Commissar Lars provides us with another valuable teaching moment on political correctness.
Here’s the thing:
The Earth is 4.5 Billion years old. It’s now on its fourth major atmospheric type. Carbon Dioxide amounts to about 400 parts per million of the current atmosphere.
Humans have been on the planet for less than 1 million years. Assuming that anthropogenic climate change is even a factor, some of the best current estimates of global warming indicate an increase in average temperature of approximately one-half of one degree Centigrade over the next 100 years– with a margin for error of 100 percent. There is evidence that such a rise could be the result of greenhouse gas such as CO2, but there is also data to support an argument that such a change may well be net positive. In effect, the greenhouse would make things slightly warmer and wetter which would result at a macro global level in increased crop yields.
Radical Islam has already said repeatedly they want to kill us all. Tying them to climate change amounts to an endless discussion of engineering change orders for draining the swamp when we’re up to our ass in alligators. It’s also playing a bullshit guilt trip.
Tell me, Lars. When you’re driving your Prius down to the Shattuck Avenue chapter of the Sierra Club, do you hook up a trailer to haul your inflated ego?
I believe the greatest influence modern humans have on this planet is entirely on the surface, down to the aquifer levels. We’re REAL good at pollution. In fact, midden kitchens show that garbage is a great archaeological resource. There was some archaeologist a while back investigating modern dumps to find out what decays at the slowest rate (newspapers, paper products) and what comprises the greatest percentage of garbage (paper stuff).
Future archaeologists may find that in some places, the greatest percentage of garbage consists of the remains of electronic equipment, as in those place in China which are used to dump that stuff.
Fortunately for future species, our influence lasts only as long as we survive as a species and while most of us don’t defecate where we eat, there are many who do. Polluting available water resources, interfering with natural water flows and draining deep aquifers will lead to our demise faster than anything else. And no, it does not help to use bottled water. That contributes to draining resources faster than anything else.
This planet is a remarkable place. We’re lucky to be here, but we are completely at the mercy of the whims of THIS PLANET, and we have ZERO control over it. Any hurricane, tornado, cyclone or flood shows us how powerless we are.
The sooner idjits like Lars the Dimwit absorb that, the better.
Damn! I left out earthquakes, volcanoes, and tidal waves.
Too early. Not enough caffeine.
The minestrone is excellent, BTW. Filling, warming, and tasty. Accompanied by toasted garlic bread (or your personal favorite) and crudites, it’s a magnificent meal. Great way to clear out the freezer, too.
Jonn,
You are spot on. The moment we heard the attack was going on, the names (ethnically speaking) were already known. These attacks are not only predicted to increase with frequency, we are now preparing for and acting to protect against and or prevent from happening.
So, with that the next one will have a Mohammed, a Fisal and or Almed involved. So there, sue my Lars!
With respect to that bat shit crazy loon from Vermont, this is what I say:
National Security Issues Ranked …
1. Terrorism (mostly Radical Islamists).
2. Border, Immigration and Refugee Issues.
3. Enemy Nations (China, Russia etc.).
4. Leftists, liberals, socialists and anarchists living within our borders (Shillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, radical educators and their indoctrinated constituents and students are perfect examples).
5. The economy.
6. Beer and ammo prices.
You may notice, polar bears, ice caps/bergs, the climate, squirrels, global temperatures, one celled microbes and other things of ‘nature’ are not listed.
Signed a Veteran,
MCPO
Items 1 and 2 are linked, Master Chief. Not everyone jumping the fence is Mexican.
Yes, the climate changes and it has since the beginning of time. We’re pretty damn arrogant if we think we can change that. But…what the hell does that have to do with terrorism? The Middle East has been a desert for thousands of years and will remain a desert for thousands more. And if this phenomenon IS true, why are they hiding data or outright falsifying it? Lastly, science is NOT about consensus and never has been. Why should I care about a poll that says 97% of a certain percentage of those polled say it is real? Even if it were about consensus, the poll itself was a lie.
The Dash have been publishing gleefully for months that they were using the flood of refugees as a means of placing fighters in other countries, and the very low numbers of women and children among the “refugees,” as well as the awful behavior of the “refugees” toward said women and children, would seem to give this notion some support.
PS. One of these days, somebody is going to figure out that climate change is Mother Nature’s way of enforcing crop rotation. I haven’t seen any mention of that, yet.
Lars told us last night at 10:48 pm EST that there are 1.2 billion muslims. Today, Salon says there are 1.6 billion muslims. 400 million net gain overnight is one hell of a reproduction rate! Multiple wives clearly giving them an advantage, but I can barely put up with one.
Also, Lars, I can’t believe you used “Islamic extremism” in a sentence. You are playing right into their hand…fucknut, traitor, moron!
Gee, I looked that up and the number varies with the source. Since they breed like rabbits, it’s up to the rest of us to out-breed them.
How’s that?
Did you look up how many times Obama has used the term “Islamic extremism”? Lars is going to get us all killed by the 1.9 billion muslims, and counting.
He avoids using the term because he is using information operation narratives intended to politically separate ISIS from the legitimacy they gain by claiming to represent Islam.
As a Christian, even moderate Christian, how would you feel if a foreign superpower were to say they intend to rid the world of Christian extremism?
Let’s say China were to announce their intend to rid the world of Christian extremism and started using target bombing against groups China deemed Christian extremist.
DO you think some of your fellow Christians would feel more or less willingness to join a Christian extremist group?
I wish members of this board, especially being veterans, could learn to understand how important these narratives and terms are in fighting an ideology like what is fueling ISIS call to establish a Caliphate.
If “Christian extremists” were running around killing people, enslaving people, attacking those who simply disagree with their ideology, as a Christian, I would have no problem with the statements.
You see Lars, when someone represents themselves as a member of a faith and then does something contrary to the tenants of that faith, I want them to be gone.
The so called “Extreme Christian Groups” that teach racial hatred? They can go as far as I am concerned. The “Extreme Christian Groups” that hate Jews? Yeah, they can go as well.
The problem that you don’t see is that people won’t just hear the “extreme” part, but “Christian.” I want the separation from those who try and corrupt my faith. I want those who distort the beliefs of Christ for their own power to be labeled for what they are – thieves.
“Extreme Christians,” just like “extreme Islamists” recognizes that there are those who will try to steal a faith, try to use it to gain power and whose beliefs are far away from the tenants of that religion.
The terrorists acted because of what many will say are the distortion of Islam. We can argue all day long whether that is the case, but that is not the point.
The point is that these guys acted because of their religious beliefs and to deny that is ridiculous and dishonest.
“As a Christian, even moderate Christian, how would you feel if a foreign superpower were to say they intend to rid the world of Christian extremism?”
I would be fine with it. If there are any groups of Christian extremists out there beheading people, using human shield, killing civilians with suicide bomber I say feel free to wipe them off the planet.
I forgot how brilliant the Scrotum Shaver is and how he regards us dupes in flyover country. No matter where I look in the ME, I see evidence of his brilliance. Doesn’t everyone? So, I should not doubt his brilliance in tippy-toeing around the evil that is Islam. Thanks for setting me straight, Lars.
It varies by the source and the definition being used.
But 1.6 Billion would have even better supported my position since I was arguing that we do not want to frame this as a war against Islam.
Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door, goes the old saying. There’s truth in that. When something is better, people gravitate toward it, buy it, or just want it. So, why is it that the progressive/marxist/commie bastards always have to force their ways on others? It’s sort of Muslim lite, w/o the beheadings.
If they thought they could get away with beheadings, they’d do that, too.
They are nasty little Jacobins at heart.
WORD.
Who is WE? Got mouse in your pocket, Lars?
“We” as in those that oppose Islamic Militants.
I guess it is just me and the mouse?
With still a great number of Academia uncertain over climate change, my vote goes for CYCLICAL. My current greatest fear is Bernie Sanders realizing if he promises to give free food for life from his cousin Col’s business, he will increase his chances of winning his ticket exponentially. There he wins in Baltimore, D. C., St. Louis, Ferguson, Chicago……..
just to name a few.
I remember when Mt. Pinatubo blew it’s top in the early nineties and Scientists everywhere agreed that it alone put more pollutants into the atmosphere (ash, sulfates) than man has throughout the entire Industrial Age. Temperatures across the globe dropped for a few years so what now, Volcano Control Laws and taxes?
STOP GLOBAL WHINING!! 😀
“Every time Islamic extremists carry out an attack, the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims are expected to collectively apologize; it has become a cold cliché at this point.”
Just like every time a lone nut takes and commits a mass shooting, the gun community is expected to collectively apologize? AND – give up even more of what little is left of its gun rights?
To all collectivists everywhere, of any stripe – Faqueem!
These creatures with useless lives are nothing but bullies who’ve been brainwashed into believing that killing everyone is okay when they aren’t just like you.
That idjit apologist LARS is arguing that we should understand them.
Oh, I do. I understand them perfectly, probably better than he does.
They want to kill me because I exist. I understand that perfectly and refuse to submit to it.
If they want to kill me simply because I exist, I will return the favor, and be done with it.
End of argument.
Yeah, we should understand our enemy. That is common sense.
However, I do not think that is what you are implying. You are implying we should sympathize or empathize with them. No. We should recognize the consequence of our actions on them and their support base. And not do stupid shit that does absolutely ZERO good in defeating them but instead helps them. Like claiming this is a war against Islam. That is a idiotic claim.
I think we should wipe Islamic militants off the face of planet. Without mercy. relentlessly.
And I guarantee I have done more to help do that then you have, Ex-PH2.
Framing our efforts as a war between the West and Islam only serves to fuel their narrative and increase their recruitment.
ISIS is trying to frame this as a war between Islam and the West. And when you buy into than you are no smarter than the morons they recruit and when you repeat it you are no better than an ISIS propagandist.
It does zero good for people to think this is a war against Islam. That only helps ISIS and other militants gain legitimacy, funding, support, and recruits.
Stop aiding the enemy.
You are contradicting yourself again, Taylor. Go find some shirts to mend.
Looks like the Frogs are feeling froggy today. Appears they are killing Muslims. I bet anything they killed a few women and children too. Looks like a war in Islam to me, I bet the men woman and children killed were all Muslim.
Forgive me if I don’t cry a river over it. Some people here (well one anyway) dont have the stomach for war. We can do this a little at a time or just carpet bomb the major cities killing as many Muslims as possible all at once and get it over with.
Probably with the pussy we have in the White House it will stop after a few more bombs. I kinda like the boots on the ground followup, you know just to make sure we kill Muslims until there is no more return fire.
Ole Mo (Peace be upon him) is being Highly Praised in those parts about now. Maybe its just me but Allah (Praise his name) doesnt seem to be saying shit either.
Sad thing is the Frogs won’t finish anything, cause, well, they are French.
Ahh, got to go, Freedom Fries are up again.
Ah, but wait! Attendez!
Nicolas Sarkozy is asking for a coalition.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/15/us-france-shooting-sarkozy-idUSKCN0T40K720151115
What else do you expect? They have been asking other people to fight their wars for a hundred years. Its just the way they roll.
They are like whats his name who posts here, they wont actually do anything, they will just postulate philosophical rational as to why the liberty they have been provided was done wrong.
The French are spineless, they have been that way for a lot longer than whats his name.
They say that Euro Disney has been forbidden from shooting off fireworks because the first week they did, the French showed up at the gates to surrender after each and every volley!
The shit that pinheads and pretenders to pinheadism serve up is simply to be shoved aside, dismissed, labeled–as one self proclaimed very progressive enjoys wielding–irrelevant. The pinheads always have the answers and nod approvingly to one another as co-possessors of wisdom. Then the jackboots show up and the pinheads that do not run are made to disappear. Later, after the evil is quashed by those who did not shade their knowledge to accommodate the sensitivity of others and who did what needed to be done to combat evil, the pinheads return and rewrite history, painting the good falsely. And so it goes. Stand your ground. Call them as you see them. Screw the pinheads.
WORD.
Jonn doesnt like it when I post what I really think. I better stick to the softer, kinder, gentler version when I type.
Fuck Islam, fuck Muslims, and since they dropped a few bombs…..just screw the French.
2/17 Air Cav – you took the words right out of my mouth. The pinheads have led us into this box canyon and then deride us for being too stupid to reckon our way out of it… only they know ‘the way”, and don’t you dare speak the name that must not be named. You see, it’s complicated. The pinheads have had us use our military assets and materiel of war to do everything but wage war. They decide to create red lines that they then decide not to enforce. They decide to support one side of an insurrection. They decide to support the “good guys” only to later find out they were not so good, or they ran like pussies and donated all their borrowed weapons (if not skills) to the bad guys. When I was a kid, I grew up reading stories of war and military leaders that unleashed the dogs of war, killed people, and broke things. Now days, those kind of leaders would be arrested and charged with some kind of gross infraction against the enemy’s self esteem. And woe to our front line troops that need to flawlessly analyze a zen diagram before they chamber a round, or drink a beer. Lars and his ilk think they have all the nuanced answers. Their table top exercises and nuance got us where we are today. I don’t have all the answers but I am no longer interested in proving the definition of insanity with more American lives. I think it is time for some tough love and the law of holes. On the other hand, I really wonder how tied our hands are… as I think the other unnamed enemy is our unsustainable too-big-to-fail economy. The way they have set it up, is that in order for us to not succumb to the penalties of our debt, we must experience continuous positive growth (ditto for the EU and constituents) while denying mathematics. Again, I blame the pinheads for that too. Deficit spending will prove to be way more detrimental to our security than global warming I… Read more »
‘The Law of Holes’ — that sounds like a title for a fascinating adventure novel… one starring perhaps an intrepid explorer… or something.
Slightly off topic, but doesn’t “Sharria Law” sound like a great name for an adult film actress?
Sometimes I am embarrassed when I miss something like that.
It might be coming to a theater near you soon.
You my friend, are a genius.
Bonus points if she sports a tramp stamp of a cartoon prophet.
FUCK the muslims and their “prophet” Mohamhock (pigs piss and shit on him)! I QUIT having any quips or qualms about their feelings after 9/11, how many of the hijackers were Christian, Jewish, Buhddist or Hindu? How often do we hear about African or Middle Eastern Christians rampaging, pillaging and beheading those who don’t share their beliefs, and Israel? They go on the offensive in response to muslim aggression in their defense!
Oh, API, didn’t you know? There was an ISIS suicide bombing in Beirut this past weekend.
This is just a headline from France24:
http://www.france24.com/en/breaking/20151112-islamic-state-group-claims-responsibility-deadly-suicide-blasts-southern-beirut
Oh, lest I forget: shrillary has been twtittering that ‘we’ should take action against ISIS, etc.
How long ago was it when she waved her hands in the air and said ‘What difference does it make?’
Well, BITCH, the difference was front page news this past weekend and 129 people, maybe more, are dead.
I sincerely wish that someone would cream-pie her when she has her mouth open.
Since it’s Monday, and I went to Reuters for an update, I was able to find an editorial by someone with a better view of the reality of ISIS. Her op-ed is here:
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/15/paris-attacks-the-wests-fatal-misunderstanding-of-islamic-state/
I thought this thread was about ISIS. But what do I know?
There seems to be a video (no link) in which some ISers are threatening to engage in a similar attack on Washington, DC.
http://www.france24.com/en/20151116-islamic-state-video-isis-isil-attack-washington-airstrikes
Well, as long as the National Archives locks up the heritage stuff and the Smithsonian employs proper locks on its door, I think we’ll be okay.
They don’t say if they’re planning to nosedive the White House or the Capitol. I wish they’d be more clear on that.
I don’t much care for the tomfoolery associated with this global cooling…Wait!…global warming…Wait!…climate change business. Something is or is not scientifically so. The world was flat…the world was the center of the universe…blah, blah, and blah. Carbon credits sold and bought, millions made by speculators, billions of taxpayer dollars wasted…the whole thing stinks. But, now, the talking point is terrorism tied to climate change. This is sheer idiocy. It’s chief proponent, Colonel Bernie Socialist, explains that climate change produces refugees who flee to cities and—bingo bango– unrest ensues. Well, there you have it. And because Bernie said it, the lefty rags try to make sense of it after they stop applauding. This is genius. It creates a situation in which those who throw the bullshit flag on climate change, or refuse to agree blindly that it exists, are now supporters of terrorism! Absolute genius. Of course, it is bullshit but most people are stupid as shit and now will check themselves regarding climate change, lest they be labeled unwitting ISIS supporters.
More proof that all the stupid windmills are nothing but a farce and a sop for money.
Great Britain is buying diesel generators to replace the power that the windmills are supposed to provide…
http://mothersagainstwindturbines.com/2015/11/16/more-proof-that-wind-energy-is-a-scam-its-not-about-the-environment/
But in France, if you’re a popular TV weatherman and you don’t toe the line, you get fired.
http://www.france24.com/en/20151101-france-top-weatherman-sacked-over-climate-change-book-verdier-cop21
Yeah, well, just b/c they were hit doesn’t make the Frogs any more like-able or smarter than before they were hit.
No, but they do make good wine and cheese.
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I wonder if the north Atlantic could freeze this winter. The thermohaline overturn is slowing down.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/nasa_satellites_show_slowdown/53574827
It’s Nature’s way of keeping things balanced. Expect to see more quakes on the megathrust fault that marks the boundary between the Indian subcontinent and the Asian continent. Everest is six inches taller since the 2004 Boxing Day quake. There’s much more to come in the next few years.