Paris updates
The death toll from the attacks in Paris Friday has risen to 129 souls. That count includes one American, Nohemi Gonzalez, a student who was visiting Europe from California. US intelligence services are blaming Edward Snowden for their failures to detect these types of attacks, according to Yahoo News;
Over the past year, current and former intelligence officials tell Yahoo News, IS terror suspects have moved to increasingly sophisticated methods of encrypted communications, using new software such as Tor, that intelligence agencies are having difficulty penetrating — a switch that some officials say was accelerated by the disclosures of former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.
The result played out in deadly fashion in Paris: At least eight terrorists, armed with heavy weaponry and suicide vests, and most likely aided by a support network, plotted and executed a highly elaborate mass casualty attack on multiple targets without the French or any other Western intelligence agency having a clue.
Well, see, I disagree. It looks like a fellow was arrested in Bavaria on Friday morning. He was carrying weapons and explosives in his car from Montenegro. His GPS was set to an address in Paris.
The Belgians have arrested three more folks in Brussels who may be connected to the attack in Paris. You might remember that there was a mass shooting in Brussels this last Spring at the Holocaust Museum there. From Reuters;
A French prosecutor said a car hired in Belgium was linked to the attacks and that a Frenchman living in Brussels rented it and was later stopped early on Saturday at the Belgian border.
A parking ticket issued in Molenbeek was found in the hire car in Paris. Officials declined comment on reports that the attacks may have been largely plotted in Brussels, that one of three attack teams came from there and that at least three of the attackers were based in the European Union capital.
Proportionately, Belgium has contributed more Europeans to ISIS’ war in Syria than any other EU country – about 300 by the last count.
U.S. officials have tended to describe the threat as mostly coming from “lone wolves” — what one described as disgruntled “glory seekers.” They have downplayed the idea that IS had either the intention or ability to carry out the sort of spectacular attacks such as 9/11 that had been the hallmark of al-Qaida.
“They had made blustery statements in the past,” said Matthew Olsen, who until last year served as the director of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), about IS.
But the group had not shown they could execute highly sophisticated attacks on Western soil. “We hadn’t seen that,” said Olsen. “They hadn’t proven they could do that.”
While he said the Paris attacks — similar in some ways to the 2008 attack on multiple targets in Mumbai, India, by an al-Qaida allied Pakistani terror group — “shouldn’t be a surprise,” Olsen said U.S. intelligence agencies will now have to reassess their judgment of what IS is capable of. “They’ll have to recalibrate the assessment,” he said. And that inevitably means the prospect of a similar mass casualty strike inside the United States.
Yeah, well, it doesn’t take much to coordinate a large scale attack like the one in Paris with just a few people – all you have to do is give them each a watch. I’m only surprised that it took them this long to use this particular mode of terrorizing the West.
Category: Terror War
IMHO it’s past time to get mudda-fuckin’ serious about letting muslim males in en masse, let’s not forget that most of the 9/11 hijackers fit the “watch out” profile back then, Muslim males buying a one way ticket paid for in cash, etc, but no one made a peep out of fear of “offending” someone or being accused of “profiling” which is what El Al, the Israeli airline does, and to this day the number of El Al airliners hijacked remains at ZERO. FUCK what the liberals say, all the muslims want to do is turn the rest of this world into an islamic shithole like where they came from and trying to appease them is little more than aiding, abetting and emboldening them. Offering them a bed, food, and Kool-Aid while singing “Kum-ba-yah” will just make them want to wait until the handouts stop before they behead you!
“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last.” – Winston Churchill
Overall I agree with you; but one small correction. El Al flight 426 was hijacked in 1968 by the PFLP. After that they started getting serious about security. Before that, who knew? Since that – it hasn’t happened. (There have been a few ground attacks, but that is a different kind of security problem.)
API, the reason the 9/11 hijackers flew under the ‘watch’ line is that the agencies responsible for detecting these things were not communicating with each other.
That would be the CIA and FBI. DHS did not exist back then.
Unfortunately, because these people are quite sophisticated in communicating with each other, it can happen again.
If you go to the State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, ISIS is not listed.
Hard to defend and fight against something the administration won’t even officially classify as a terrorist group.
They’re not even consistently tough about the ones they do list.
As Hillary says, what does it matter?
Your information is incorrect. Here’s the State Department’s list of designated foreign terrorist organizations. ISIS (or ISIL, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, formerly Al Qaeda in Iraq) was listed way back in December 2004.
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm
Probably because B. Hussein 0bama & Company are too busy labeling Christians, NRA Members and Tea Party Members as “Terrorist Groups”.
And DHS is making videos with white males and soccer moms as the terrorists. You could make this shit up but who would believe you. Okay. Lars and who else, that is.
It is on there.
I’ll believe the French are serious when they dust off the old guillotine…
It is rather nice when warring forces are clearly identifiable to one another, when one’s enemy is distinguishable by uniform and organized armies face off in the field. Ultimately, one side prevails and bests the other or both sides retire without a clear winner. And that’s nice and tidy. It is also the stuff of bygone days. Yesterday, in Maryland, I stopped at a Subway shop and, while I was ordering, a woman entered the store. She was fat, wore white sneakers, and was hidden behind a black niqab. It was creepy to look at her. I was half hoping that a white male with an KKK garb would walk in and stand beside her. What a freakin’ photo that would make.
See those asshats over there?—-Take ’em out; take ’em ALL out!!
They are likely to find that there was at least 12 assailants, but one team failed to completely execute their plan and absconded.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paris-attacks-suicide-vest_5653d247e4b0258edb32c507
I think that this article says it all…
http://nypost.com/2015/11/14/its-time-for-obama-to-make-a-choice-lead-us-or-resign/
No matter what his effect on intelligence collection in this instance, Snowden is still a fucking traitor who deserves a bullet to the back of the head…after all his skin has been flayed from his body.
He is lower than whale shit.
How very authoritarian of you.
Oh come now, he’s gotten numerous people killed, the results of which we are literally staring at in the face at this point. You’re dodging questions in the other thread by the way, should go answer them. Or take your ball and go home for real.
I am not dodging questions. I answered yours. There comes a point where I stop checking because I get several people pestering me at once. Most of them with nonsense that is a waste of time to respond to.
I don’t “dodge” I just stop even reading or paying attention at some point.
Pester pester pester. Don’t be a bitch if you’re gonna open your cock holster.
So who’s death is he responsible for?
You mean aside from the advanced communications methods directly stemming from his released papers preventing agencies from being able to intercept that information you sniveling prick?
How about the fact that intelligence assets of all stripes were named openly in some of those papers? This doesn’t just mean government spooks and I guarantee you they’re ‘gone’. Methods, operations and other things were all compromised. He has sold secrets to people who don’t have the west/NATO’s best interests in mind. He has blood on his hands and there is literally no way to say otherwise.
You insincere sack of excrement, you writhe and dodge, you proclaim superiority until confronted and you hop threads, desperately hoping people won’t call you out on your rampant stupidity. I’m bored so I’m going to see how you try to spin everything.
Go fuck yourself. I worked in Intelligence/SIGINT for long enough to know that most of your post is just bullshit.
You say there is blood on his hands, and I say there isn’t. No fucking assets were lost from any disclosure.
The claims he would cause deaths was speculation concerning the possibility of reduces collection effectiveness causing them to miss a warning that might stop some future terrorist attack.
There was nothing revealing about Snowden’s leaks with respect to international collection and domestic collection of foreigners.
The world was already well aware of the extent of NSA activities with respect to foreign communications.
What Snowden revealed is a glimpse at the extent of domestic collection against US citizens.
Did he break the law? Yes. Did he violate the US government’s trust? Yes.
Is he a traitor? No, he isn’t.
I am proud of you Mr. Taylor, that almost sounded like you had a pair.
Before you tell everyone to do that you should consider that I fucked bigger men than you in prison.
Have a nice evening Mr. Taylor.
“Before you tell everyone to do that you should consider that I fucked bigger men than you in prison.”
Worst threat brag ever.
If you are trying to intimidate someone it is fail if the person just thinks it is hilarious.
Thats not a threat Mr. Taylor, its was an observation that I thought you should consider.
People like you often over extend your selves. Brash boasts of bravado eventually lead to you having to back it up.
Like the old saying, do not write checks your ass can not cash. It was an opportunity for you to consider that maybe being overly aggressive with your responses may have an adverse effect on your ability to get your message across.
As an example, you would never say such a thing to me if we were in a mens room together. I don’t have to threaten you in any way, you are not the kind of person that would do such a thing in person.
I was hoping you would consider the fact that there are people in this world that might not realize you are harmless and you might find yourself in their presence one day. That would be and awkward moment.
Like I said Mr. Taylor, I have seen the look in the eyes of men like you when that moment comes.
Best Regards
Damn, Lars. It’s really sad that you don’t get the “Road House” reference. That’s gotta be your most epic failure to date.
Butthurt. Experts with actual Intel/CT experience beg to differ.
http://20committee.com/2015/06/12/snowden-is-a-fraud/
http://20committee.com/2015/07/19/the-painful-truth-about-snowden/
And I don’t hop threads. I respond to a shit ton of replies. But I eventually move on. Usually after hours of replies.
If you feel like I am not giving you enough attention then get a pet or a girlfriend. It is not my responsibility to make you feel heard.
So rather than spinning, you show that I touched a nerve and call bullshit before spewing your own without actually stating anything.
Piss off like you keep threatening to do. Over and over and over.
Try 129 recently killed in Paris, including one US citizen. At least.
The IC has come out on record that it believes Snowden’s recent revelations led ISIS to change communications techniques and practices, leading to zero warning about the recent attacks in Paris.
http://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacks-show-u-s–surveillance-of-islamic-state-may-be–going-dark-203103709.html
There were warnings. Both Iraq and Turkey warned the France.
Name a single communication method the exploitation of which was not already common knowledge before Snowden. Name one that terrorists used that nobody already knew was exploitable.
What Snowden revealed was not what communication mechanisms we were able to collect on. He revealed that we were not only collecting on terrorists and our enemies.
The terrorists and are enemies already knew we were collecting on them.
And to attribute communication changes to Snowden is a stretch. Enemies changed their communication methods frequently long before Snowden. But that does not mean every time there is an intel miss Snowden won’t be blamed.
I am not sure why so many people defend the pervasive security state. The threat does not justify it. The results do not justify it.
Snowden could not simply report the collection overreach internally because the leadership had deemed their own methods as legal (prompting several protest resignations by mid and senior intelligence officials soon after collection was extended after 9/11).
Snowden violated the law. He is a criminal. But he is not a traitor.
Releasing as much information as he did about our nation’s intelligence gathering is providing it to ALL of our enemies worldwide, not just the Russians and ChiComs. If that’s not treason, I don’t know what could be. The full extent of the consequences of his betrayal won’t be known for decades.
Am I comfortable with domestic surveillance? Not really. But he sold out a lot more than that. So give the fucker a medal along with his blindfold and cigarette.
Taylor:
As usual, you are “creatively interpreting” facts to fit a leftist agenda. Reality, as usual, is quite different from what you claim.
I note you didn’t bother to cite sources, so I did your homework for you. Here’s what I found – with citations to back the findings.
1. Turkish sources allegedly warned the French about one of the attackers – e.g., they told the French that the guy was a terrorist. Best I can tell, the French apparently already knew that. The Turks did not provide any specific warning about the impending Paris attacks.
http://mashable.com/2015/11/16/turkey-warned-france-paris-attacker/
2. Similarly, the purported “Iraqi warning” was an Iraqi report to France that ISIS’s leader “had ordered an attack on coalition countries fighting against them in Iraq and Syria, as well as on Iran and Russia, through bombings or other attacks in the days ahead.” The Iraqi warning did not provide any specifics beyond that. In particular, it did not identify Paris as a target.
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-newsbreak-iraq-warned-attacks-065557894.html
Both of these “warnings” fall in the, “No sh!t – tell us something we don’t already know” category. Neither provided specific warning of the Paris attacks or a specific date/time for same.
Similarly, the fact that the more secure communications techniques ISIS uses today existed prior to Snowden tipping them to the need is irrelevant. The fact that a technique is a good security practice often is ignored absent demonstration of the need. Snowden “spilling the beans” demonstrated the need – much like news accounts early in the GWOT reportedly tipped Al Qaeda to some of our monitoring capabilities and caused their leadership to stop using the communications methods vulnerable to same.
In short, you’re completely full of it. Again. Regarding multiple subjects.
However, since you wanted a name, here ya go – along with a photo: Nohemi Gonzalez.
IMO her blood is on Snowden’s hands – along with that of 128 other innocents and over 400 injured.
Yes, he has a pen and phone, too.
Break out the crying towels. The Frogs are pounding targets in Syria.
Confirmed:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/france-drops-20-bombs-islamic-6838318
This part is encouraging, too:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isis-britain-undercover-sas-patrolling-6835174
There are at least 7 ISIS jihadis in Britain, hence the patrols.
Note the use of ‘radicalized youth’ in the article. All you need is a bunch of layabouts who are willing and eager to cause trouble. Or am I the only one who remembers London being set on fire in the summer of 2011?
If you think that can’t happen here, you are sadly mistaken. Especially YOU, Lars, you ignoramus.
I never said I do not think it could happen here.
In fact it is almost inevitable that it will.
I am talking about a rational balance between freedom, security, and privacy.
Most of the people on this board get rabidly willing to try to create the kind of police state that will make them feel all cozy inter beds at night.
I am not. Especially since there are far more dangerous things we could be investing the resources on. The flu kills more Americans every single year that have ever been killed in the history of the US anywhere in the world by terrorists. Yet we spend only a tiny fraction of what we spend on our security apparatus in dealing with the flu.
And the flu is literally a potential national security threat that has the potential to wipeout over 100,000 American in a single year. Yet we get digitally strip searched and take off even have our shoes searched when traveling but nobody wears a facemark when they get in a steel tube with the recycled air of 300 passengers.
I am not saying we should wear masks, I am saying we are being irrational toward terrorism in a war that we are not toward any other public safety threats.
We spend hundreds of billions to protect ourselves from terrorists and create the most pervasive surveillance state that has ever been perpetrated on a society in human history. Including Red China, North Korea, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and Iran.
I am calling for rational recognition that this is at a price. Not just in dollars but in freedoms, civil rights, and the expectation of personal privacy.
And considering that you are far more likely to be killed by your bathtub than by a terrorist maybe we need to stop acting like frightened children and asking our government keep passing laws to further restrict and secure our society from utterly exaggerated threats.
2010-11 flu season – 123 pediatric flu deaths
2011-12 flu season – 37 pediatric flu deaths
2012-13 flu season – 171 pediatric flu deaths
2013-14 flu season – 112 pediatric flu deaths
2014-15 flu season – 146 pediatric flu deaths
2015-16 flu season – 0
Adults aren’t tracked by the CDC for a multitude of reasons, but geezer deaths are estimated to be on the bad side due to a number of issues that aren’t all flu related.
I’d be more worried about DR/XDR Tuberculosis going places than I would the flu. This isn’t the early 1900s anymore.
Yeah, we can ignore the estimated statistics. Because it is only thousands of additional victims in the US every year. Even the low estimate of 500 still makes it far more deadly than terrorism.
And the low estimate is bullshit because it actually subtracts the high estimate of deaths for any virus that could be mistaken for the flu to reach the lowest possible estimate that can be attributed to only the flu.
Well, you’re being disingenuous again since you’re leaving out that those estimates are lumped in with Pneumonia and the deaths by flu are pretty variable since most of the time, those deaths in 1st world countries are related to either blind stupidity or other additional factors. Especially considering how often people just report ‘flu like symptoms’ without getting checked for Flu A/B or one of the offshoots (H1Z1 was an A offshoot and was both detected and treated the same).
Even including both of them, deaths were at 7th place for leading causes of death. Without, Pneumonia stays on the chart and the Flu goes away.
So, because the CDC doesn’t particularly give a shit about the flu on its own beyond making sure people are aware of what’s out there and either getting vaccinated or at least not spreading it further through stupid vectors, we’ll use the numbers they actually track. 0 this year so far from the source I pulled.
‘Most of the people on this board get rabidly willing to try to create the kind of police state that will make them feel all cozy inter beds at night.’
Hey, looky-looky here, everybody!
Lars just told US what HE really wants.
Project much, Lars?
As usual, you are not only completely wrong, but you also switched bait instead of sticking to the subject. We’re far too independent to accept a police state than you are. No one here is even vaguely interested in having to show identity papers everywhere we go, but because of YOU and people exactly like YOU, we have to.
And switching the subject from ISIS to the flu is not going to work. Most people have the common sense to get flu shots. It’s you and your idiotic libretard friends who refuse to vaccinate their children for mumps, whooping cough, diphtheria, polio and measles that present the real danger.
The ‘danger’ from flu consists of a runny nose, a cough, a few days in bed, and a lot of chicken soup consumption. A flu shot will prevent that. You’re full of shit, as usual.
if you are calling for more laws, security measures, and controls to stop terrorism you are calling for an increased police state…
That is a fact. WE are already the most surveilled society in the history of human civilization and it is a direct result of people clamoring for more security.
You might want to check out the UK before you make a half-assed statement like that, Taylor.
It’s my understanding that the US has nothing on the UK when it comes to surveillance of its population. Electronically, it’s about equal. But physically? Try police-monitored surveillance cameras in many if not most public places in larger cities in the UK.
A “steel tube with recycled air”? Please tell me you are talking about submarines here SIGINT Wonderboy.
I know they bring in air from outside the place but we are all sitting together in notoriously cramped conditions so you are very likely to be exposed to whatever airborne virus another passenger has.
The same could be said for movie theaters, or buses, or any other condition where people sit close to each other but planes also introduce the threat of a greater number of locations from which a virus could have originated. Especially international flights.
Get back to me when you have familiarized yourself with:
1. Aluminum.
2. Aircraft pressurization valve.
3. Aircraft “packs”.
Then we can talk. Until then, you are just a big moron.
I am hearing that France my invoke the NATO mutual defense treaty against ISIS tomorrow.
Hey, everybody! Here’s a list of things that Commissar has said are more likely to kill us than random attacks by terrorists.
Bathtubs
Toddlers
Flu
Cars
In addition, Lars can bore us to death.
He keeps promising to never come back, but he’s so addicted to the attention he gets here that he simply can’t leave, any more than a heroin addict can leave the needle behind.
I didn’t say cars, or at least I don’t recall saying cars. But of course cars too.
Terrorism is one of the most least likely ways to die in the US. So pretty much anything that can kill kills more Americans than terrorists most years.
Bees, falling out of bed, pad handwriting on a doctor’s prescription, lightning, high school sports…
The point is that we exaggerate the threat of terrorism and change our very society in response such that we are bordering on a police state.
People on the board are always whining about people exaggerating the threat of gun and how the exaggeration is used to call for most gun legislation…
the difference is gun accidents an associated increased likelihood of a gun death for living in a house with gun or next door to a house with a gun is much higher that the danger of terrorism.
But nobody on the forum is afraid of owning guns and nobody here wants to see more anti-gun laws.
So why are you all clamoring for more laws and societal controls to protect you from terrorism?
Why don’t we do something about high school sports? If you are really so concerned about the threat to American people. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!…
The fact is most of you want more laws and controls because you do not like who you imagine those laws and controls will be directed against.
Without realizing that most of the time they new laws, surveillance, and societal controls are directed at all of us to varying degrees.
Once again, Lars, you are projecting.
Where has anyone here called for more laws and more control by the government. Seems the only one that wants that is you.
Please give examples of who has asked for more laws and when.
Once again, you are a liar.
I agree. If someone was ranting for more laws and controls, I missed it. What I have heard is for existing laws to be enforced, i.e. immigration laws.
When the circle jerkers try pulling outside of their circle, they just can’t understand why they are the only ones yanking.
Oh yeah, didn’t you say you were done with us and not coming back?
Is there one thing you haven’t lied about here, Lars?
At least three or four times now. I’ve kinda lost track. Probably due to the fact that I get plenty of toddler tantrums from my daughter, so the ones thrown by Lars fail to interest me.
We aren’t the ones who want more laws and controls, you fathead.
You are, you and your buttbuddies who want everything to be just fine. You and YOUR GANG OF FOOLS are so out of touch with reality, it’s a wonder you can even get up in the morning and find your way to the bathroom.
I repeat, WE do not want more laws and controls, asshole. YOU DO.
Oh, and for the record, since Lars likes to project and put words in people’s mouths, I did the same thing to him with ‘cars’.
“Terrorism is one of the most least likely ways to die in the US. So pretty much anything that can kill kills more Americans than terrorists most years.” Most least likely? Jeez. So much for the intelligentsia. Um, Lars, the object of terrorism is not solely to kill but to make people fearful, you know, to terrorize. So, the things and circumstances and events that kill more Americans annually than do terrorist attacks are–get ready for your favorite word–irrelevant.
Exactly. I like the disingenuous way that Lars the Dim inserts unsupported stuff. It provides me and others with an opportunity to deflate him.
For example, this statement: ‘we exaggerate the threat of terrorism and change our very society in response such that we are bordering on a police state.’
Exaggerate the threat of terrorism? Okay, when I go to NYC next time, I will go right to the WTC memorial spot and tell all those dead people’s names that the threat of terrorism is exaggerated. I will do the same at the Pentagon and that field in Shanksville, PA. And I will take a trip to the remains of that shopping mall in Nairobi, and tell the ghosts of the people who were murdered there that the threat of terrorism is exaggerated, just because YOU SAID SO, LARS, RIGHT HERE ON TAH.
There is no such thing as peace on Earth. There never has been. There is only time off between conflicts. Go read a REAL history book, going all the way back to the REAL ancient history of the world – Persia, Ilium, Babylonia, Egypt, Rome, ancient Gaul, China – not that watered down PC crap you refer to.
There is no such thing as peace. There is only time off between conflicts.
If you are so genuinely stupid that you think there is no threat of terrorism, then you need to get some professional help with your distorted view of reality. Because the reality is that those bastards would just as soon kill you as look at you, you mordant dimwit.
Just looked at the timeline of the attacks in Paris. 9:20 PM first suicide vest det. 9:30 PM second suicide vest det, at or near the same location. 10:15 PM another suicide vest det a few blocks away. Staggered for a reason I would bet.
Probably. Get a stampede to the exits at the soccer stadium then detonate additional vests at that fatal funnel.
Tie the police down at one location, while executing civilians at others… divide assets, create mayhem…
The Washington Post is already doing its best to protect the Democratic party.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-the-paris-attacks-probably-won%e2%80%99t-change-the-election%e2%80%99s-outcome/ar-BBn4lvw?li=AAa0dzB