More Thoughts on Guns and Murders

| June 27, 2015

A comment by one of our regulars (VOV) the other day – along with a video posted by another reader in a different discussion – got me thinking.  And it led me to look at a few numbers.

I know that’s a huge surprise.  Try to get over the shock.  (smile)

What I ran across wasn’t really surprising to me, except in one area. But it might be of general interest, so I decided to post what I found and my conclusions.  They concern guns, murder, and the distribution of the latter.

In 2012, the USA had a murder rate (which includes non-negligent homicides) of 4.7 per 100,000 population. That year, the US population was somewhat less than 314 million (313,873,685); there were somewhat under 15,000 murders (14,866).

What I found interesting was where those murders occurred. As most of our regular readers might guess, it seems a disproportionate number of them occurred in cities.

1.  All Cities over 250,000.

I was able to find data on the murder rate in all US cities over 250,000.   I then did a bit of number crunching (Excel is good for that) to determine the number of murders in those cities. Roundoff error may have resulted in a minor error, since I used rounding to get integer totals – but I don’t think it did.  If it did, I doubt any error is more than by 1 or 2.  Here’s what I came up with:

US Cities over 250,000

Rest of USA

Total Population 55,501,250 Total Population 258,372,435
Total Murders 5,805 Total Murders 9,061
Murder Rate 10.5 Murder Rate 3.5

Yep – for all US cities over 250,000 in population, the aggregate murder rate is roughly 3x that of the rest of the country. Although US cities with population greater than 250,000 have less than 18% of the total US population, they account for 39% of US homicides.

If you think that’s an indication that murder is much more of a problem in cities than in the rest of America – that’s correct. But stay tuned; there’s a bit of a plot twist coming.

2.  All US Cities over 500,000.

I decided to look next at cities over 500k in population (Excel makes sorting REALLY easy). There are 33 such US cities.

The results were a mildly surprising.

US Cities over 500,000

Rest of USA

Total Population 41,237,116 Total Population 272,636,569
Total Murders 4,114 Total Murders 10,752
Murder Rate 10.0 Murder Rate 3.9

Interesting. Though still disproportionate, considering only cities with a population over 500,000 actually narrowed the “gap” a bit. While some of that is due to adding the cities between 250,000 and 500,000 in population (and their murders) back into the “rest of USA” category, having any drop-off at all still seems . . . well, a bit odd.

3.  Well, How about 600,000+?

Here ya go. Not much change, actually.  Curious.

US Cities over 600,000

Rest of USA

Total Population 37,852,847 Total Population 276,020,838
Total Murders 3,783 Total Murders 11,0833
Murder Rate 10.0 Murder Rate 4.0

4.  The “Top 10” – US Cities over 1,000,000

So, I decided to look at only the “biggies” – e.g., the 10 largest US Cities. As it turns out, there are also precisely the US cities that top 1,000,000 in population. So, I took a look.  Here’s what I found.

US Cities over 1,000,000 (“Top 10”)

Rest of USA

Total Population 25,494,200 Total Population 288,379,485
Total Murders 2.,261 Total Murders 12,605
Murder Rate 8.9 Murder Rate 4.4

Interesting – and, frankly, a bit surprising.

The numbers continue to converge, which along with the previous data indicates the problem doesn’t always get worse as cities get larger.  One would guess it should, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

5.  The “Worst Offenders”.

So, let’s look instead at the “worst of the worst” and see what we can deduce. Sorting on murder rate and taking the “worst offenders”, here’s the list – and the numbers:

The “Worst Offenders”

State City Population Murder Rate Number of Murders
Michigan Detroit 707,096 54.6 386
Louisiana New Orleans 362,874 53.2 193
Missouri St. Louis 318,667 35.5 113
Maryland Baltimore 625,474 34.9 218
New Jersey Newark 278,906 34.4 96
California Oakland 399,487 31.8 127
California Stockton 299,105 23.7 71
Missouri Kansas City 464,073 22.6 105
Pennsylvania Philadelphia 1,538,957 21.5 331
Ohio Cleveland 393,781 21.3 84
Tennessee Memphis 657,436 20.2 133
Georgia Atlanta 437,041 19 83
Illinois Chicago 2,708,382 18.5 501
New York Buffalo 262,434 18.3 48
Florida Miami 414,327 16.7 69
Ohio Cincinnati 296,204 15.5 46
Wisconsin Milwaukee 599,395 15.2 91
Oklahoma Oklahoma City 595,607 14.3 85
DC Washington 632,323 13.9 88
Ohio Toledo 286,020 13.6 39
Pennsylvania Pittsburgh 312,112 13.1 41

Interesting. No apparent real rhyme or reason here. Some are large cities (Chicago, Philly); others are not. NYC and Boston didn’t make the list – but neither did Dallas, Houston, or LA. The list almost seems to have been culled at random from the list of US cities with population over 250,000.

But whatever the underlying reasons these are the 21 US cities with the worst murder rates in the USA.  In fact, it’s all of the US cities with a population over 250,000 having a murder rate over 13.

In the aggregate, those 21 cities have only 4% of the US population.  But they account for almost 20% of US murders – and their aggregate murder rate is just a hair less than 5x the national average.

Significantly, though – those “gun crazy” states with really low ratings from the “Brady Bunch” don’t exactly seem overrepresented on the list.  None of the states with a Brady score of zero (AK, AZ, and UT) have a city on the list – and yes, each has a city large enough to be listed there.  In fact, if you do a quick count you’ll find that a handful of “states” – specifically, CA, PA, MD, NJ, IL, NY, MI, and the District of Columbia – account for almost half (10 of 21) of the cities listed.

The average Brady Score of those eight “states” in 2011 was 51.375 (the “Brady Bunch” didn’t assign DC a Brady Score in 2011, but for computation here I’m arbitrarily assigning DC a Brady Score equal to that of NY). That average would meet the criteria for a “3-star” rating from the “Brady Bunch” with respect to the strength of their gun control laws.  Indeed, all of these states received at least 2 stars from the “Brady Bunch” in 2011.

In fact, of the 11 states with a “2-star” or higher rating from the “Brady Bunch”, nearly 2/3 of them (7 of 11) have a city on the “worst offenders” list above.  I’m guessing it would be an even 2/3 (8 of 12) if the “Brady Bunch” had published a Brady Score for DC.

In contrast, “gun crazy” TX – which has no cities on the list above – had a 2011 Brady Score of 4 and a 0 star rating from the “Brady Bunch”.  Plus, the US city with the lowest murder rate – Plano, with a 2012 murder rate of 0.4  (not a misprint; that really is intended to read “zero point four”) – is also in Texas.  Go figure.

6.  Comments.

A few caveats and comments before I get to my conclusions.

The “cities” above are exactly that – legal and political entities.  They aren’t their entire metro area in many cases; they’re often ringed with smaller cities and towns (the famed “Suburbia”).  However, they do generally include the old, urban “inner city” areas for the  region in question.

As I noted above, the number of murders for each city is calculated from the city’s population and its murder rate, then rounded to the nearest integer (best I can tell, it’s kinda hard to kill nine-tenths of a person).  So it’s possible that there may be a round off error in there somewhere – I don’t think there is, but since it’s possible I’ll mention that fact here.

Data for 2012 national-level statistics was obtained a site called “disastercenter.com“.  They in turn give the source of their data as being FBI UCI statistics.  I didn’t verify that, but I did spot check their 2012 US murder rate against another source and found they matched – so I don’t think they’re “blowing smoke”.

Data source for murder rate and population for 2012 for US cities of population 250,000 and over was Wikipedia.  Wikipedia data also appears to be taken from FBI UCI crime statistics.

A personally retained softcopy of the “Brady Bunch” Brady Score Scorecard for 2011 was used to determined 2011 state Brady Scores.

Microsoft Excel was used to “run the numbers”.

. . .

My conclusions?  Threefold.

First:  gun murder does seem to be more a city problem than anything else.  But it’s not equally a problem in all cities – whether your talking big cities or smaller ones.   Some mid-size and large cities have a very good handle on the problem (San Diego and El Paso to name two), and even NYC and LA are doing a pretty good job; ditto for many other small- and mid-sized cities.  Others have issues, but aren’t sucking wind like the cities on the last list above.

But some cities of all sizes have a major problem – including cities next door to other cities doing a good job, and with similar gun laws (e.g., Newark, NJ, and NYC).  Local conditions, policies, and quirks seem much more important than a city’s size.

Second:  My original opinion about the Brady Score hasn’t changed.  The acronym for “Brady Score” is “BS” – and that’s perfectly descriptive.  Legal restrictions on firearms ownership by law-abiding citizens don’t seem to do squat to prevent murders.

Chicago and DC legally banned most firearms until recently, and it’s still virtually impossible for a citizen without connections to get a handgun carry permit (or even legally purchase a gun) in either location.  But both are among the cities with murder rates grossly higher than the US average.  And of the US cities with the 10 worst (highest) murder rates, 6 of them are from states that the “Brady Bunch” awarded 2 or more stars in 2011 for having Brady Scores in the top 22% of states:  CA (2 – Oakland, Stockton), NJ (Newark), MI (Detroit), MD (Baltimore), and PA (Philadelphia).

Third:   Little Marty-boi O’Malley should shut his dissembling, hypocritical mouth regarding guns and gun control.  He obviously doesn’t know sh!t from Shinola when it comes to preventing gun violence.

Why do I say that?   One word:  Baltimore.  Look above for the details.

Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists, Guns, Politics, Society

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John S.

How can this be? After all, cities like Chicago and DC have the most restrictive laws regarding firearm ownership.

desert

How come you don’t have Nu Yuck City on that list?

Hack Stone

The only logical response to your statistics is

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

Ex-PH2

All those stats are good reasons to live in a small, quiet town.

As a former resident of Chicago I am, however, disappointed that Chitown ranks so low on that list. If it included other weapons, it might move higher.

So basically, Hondo, these studies show that the BS list is actually the opposite of what it intends, that its proudly promoted perceptions are pure poppycock.

Ex-PH2

Got it.

And re: the state controlling everything, there is a new threat of terrorist activity in London now, which Cameraon has assured his voters will be addressed and handled, as this weekend is the UK’s Armed Forces weekend.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-beefs-up-security-following-bomb-attack-report/ar-AAcczST?ocid=mailsignout

Since we know that UK legislation now leaves its citizens defenseless (e.g., the ‘no knives’ law), I hope sincerely that nobody in Merry Olde becomes a victim of his stupidity.

Eric

But I thought out in the country farmers and their mums had guns at least?

The Other Whitey

Just the one old guy in Sandford.

Mr. Blue

It’s for the Greater Good.

Eric

The Greater Good….

ArmyATC

Yes, they can own shotguns, especially in the country for critter control. But they are highly controlled, the owner needing a license for each gun, and heavily regulated. IIRC, even the ammunition is regulated with a set number of rounds being allowed for each gun owned.

OldCorpsTanker72

Just a word of friendly advice: Whatever you do, do NOT break those numbers down by race.

Just an Old Dog

I would venture to say that the crime statistics for perps who were high school drop outs, on government assistance and raised without a Male Figure would be very close across Racial lines.

The Other Whitey

Just watch Steve Wilkos for five minutes (no more). You don’t have to be white to be Whiskey Tango!

Poetrooper

But in truth, race is the elephant in the room here, as shown by this table, also from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

GDContractor

The elephant in the room is that if you graph all of the data Hondo has presented, the resulting graph looks remarkably like a Confederate flag.
Oh my. Ban it!

2/17 Air Cav

I would love to know the extent of the sales surge for companies selling Confederate battle flags right now. My guess is that there is a log jam and back order. Tell Americans that they can’t have something for whatever reason and see what happens! Ammo? Twinkies?

Jarhead

Great piece of in-depth research Jonn. Yowsa, even this old fart can read between the lines. OldCorpsTanker….by any chance is your real name Kreskin? That from another OCT mos 1811.

OldCorpsTanker72

I have been told I was amazing – that was a long time ago, mind you – but I am not Kreskin.

Just an Old Dog

There is a guy on You-Tube by the name of Steven Molineaux who has a series of videos, mostly expousing Libetarian Views.
One of them is on Gun Violence. He does an excellent presentation that pretty much reflects the research on this post. He cites that the perpetrators of Gun Violence are actually completely opposite of the profile of gun owners.
Other research Ive seen actually breaks gun crime down not only by City, but by Nieghborhoods. Very informative.

AW1 Tim

I think that another interesting data point might be to correlate murder rates/numbers with percentage of blight for a given city/area.

For example, Detroit, Baltimore, and even DC have large areas of decay. Boarded up store fronts, vacant homes, distressed neighborhoods, etc. Those are basically the hunting grounds/personal space for the gangs. It gives them a safe haven, like a rubbled city against an armed force gives the defenders a great advantage.

I would add this, too: Immigrant population. I base this on my personal observations in Maine.

Maine, despite being the top of the Northeast, still has some of the best gun laws in the nation. By that I mean it’s gun-friendly. There’s no licenses, no registration (beyond what is required if you purchase through an FFL holder), and just this month, Maine’s legislature did away with the requirement for a permit for concealed carry. If you can own a gun, you can carry it concealed. You can open carry, and you can also buy and sell between individuals with no background checks, paperwork required, etc.

Maine has had a low crime rate all along. Yet, since the feds and Catholic Charities ave been busing large numbers of Somalis and Ethiopians, etc, into Maine as “refugees” or “asylum seekers”, Maine has seen a steady increase in drug-related crime, and an increase in both assaults and murders.

Many of those same folks are good people, but almost all of them are on some form of welfare, and also refusing to assimilate, creating entire neighborhoods that more resemble their old countries than here. That adds to the problems and, in my view, makes them more vulnerable to criminals.

Regardless, nice work. It’s always refreshing to see facts and data sets brought into debates. 🙂

Ex-PH2

Yeah, but what’s winter like up there in the Northeast Kingdom? I kept track of snow totals all last winter, and I know you didn’t get pounded like New York and Massachusetts, but I do detest long, dreary winters with no apparent end in sight. I do love the mountains, though.

AW1 Tim

Long winters, to be sure. We only half joke that Maine has 2 seasons: Winter, and the 4th of July. 🙂

Where I live, along the coast, we get a LOT of freezing rain which tends to drop power lines, tree branches, etc, and make driving all kinds of fun.

Mid-January to Mid-February seem to be the coldest, longest times. It isn’t so much the amount of snowfall, though last year we DID get much more than normal. It’s that the winter, and lack of sunlight just drags on forever.

I compensate by having lots of books and other research material available, and getting outside whenever the sun is out. 🙂

Ex-PH2

Yes, winters are getting longer every year. Snow in late April this year. I have pictures, and it didn’t die away up north near the US-Can border until May. Hmmm. There is definitely food for thought in what you said.

The Other Whitey

Your statistics are wrong, Hondo! You researched and compiled them from actual numbers, and vetted your sources! The only accurate statistics are the ones Limp-Dick Commissar pulls out of his ass!

Okay, humor aside, I can’t say I’m surprised at all. This is further proof, as if we needed any, that gun-grabbers lie.

Dave Hardin

Spreadsheets don’t kill people, guns kill people. You Gun Nutz can twist numbers as much as you want. Here is a formula for you crazed right white wing loons:

0 * X = 0

(where X equals total numeber of crimes and 0 is the total number of guns)

If we get all the guns, there will be no gun crime.

Eric

I ell ohhh ell’d at this. Thank you.

Ex-PH2

Loons, huh? There are 2 red-breasted loons raising chicks on a lake near me. But I haven’t seen any white loons yet, but the regulars and the reds. I’ll let you know if they fly in. White pelicans have sometimes been mistaken for white loons. Are they what you were talking about?

Dave Hardin

I can always count on you to know when I am being satirious or facetiousical. I am just hanging around until Arnold is President, Taco Bell is the only restaurant, and there is no more “Murder, Death, Kill”.

The problem with you gun nutz is:

˙ǝʌıʇɔǝdsɹǝd ɹıǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ sƃuıɥʇ ǝǝs ʇ,uɐɔ noʎ

The Other Whitey

“Lady, I use these ‘primitive’ firearms to shop for groceries.”

2/17 Air Cav

Nicely done, Hondo. That’s good stuff. It would be interesting to learn what happens to the murder numbers when controlled for shooters and victims who are members of gangs and ongoing criminal enterprises—chiefly, illicit drug manufacture and distribution. I don’t know whether such numbers are maintained.

Eric

Homerun Hondo, you awesome numbers guy you. You do well at the litigious stuff too.

I’m going to link this on my FB page again just to show off to some disturbed and confused friends who think they are safe where they’re at.

Sparks

Thanks for all the work Hondo. It is not surprising to me at all. Gun control laws do not work, never did, never will.

Ex-PH2

I noticed that Maine wasn’t on that list of large cities with murder by gun. Maine doesn’t seem to have any large cities, but Maine also has fairly low-key gun rules.

I wonder how they feel about cameras and people who write books. Hmmm. I may move there.

Dave Hardin

I don’t know about everyone else but I am getting tired of HONDO waving around his three digit ASVAB score.

If them city folks are causing all these problems let’s get rid of them. At least fence the commies in.

MERICA DAMN IT MERICA

Dave Hardin

Now I have to post some kind of sudo intellectually coherent response.

There has always been a disconnect between the most horrific crimes involving guns and the response to it.

Do a quick study on where the ideology of victimization is most perpetuated. Which communities have the loudest most aggressive leaders preaching the word of hate.

This incident in South Carolina or even Columbine did not happen is an inner city. Cathy Gifford was not shot in the inner city. None of those kind of events was perpetrated by some disadvantaged poor soul that had no opportunities to achieve in life.

These kind of incidents are horrific. They pale to insignificance with the masses of shootings that never make national news.

The hate mongers take up their drums and use these incidents to beat out their mantra. The more a community is divided by hate albeit veiled in community activism the amount of violent crime will come to a crescendo.

I submit that “Communtiy Activism” is not symptomatic but causal.

Dave Hardin

Gabrielle Giffords, not that other twat.

Eric

*pseudo-intellectually.

2/17 Air Cav

I wonder what role a city’s EMTs, response times, and local hospital trauma centers or ER specialists play in this. Thanks to those factors, I’m guessing that some number of people shot in some locales go from the ER to a bed when their counterparts elsewhere go to a morgue slab.

Thunderstixx

Guns are not the problem, it is the lack of a moral center and a foundation of secular vs. spiritual mores.
The murder rates in the gang infested areas of the country are higher in the inner cities and the devastated areas of blight because those areas are usually controlled by gangs of thugs that see life as cheap and prison as a rite of passage.
The lack of a family support structure of morals that intact families give to their children is one of the main reasons that we have so many young blacks gunned down on the street corners of America.
Blacks take the brunt of the murders as 93% of murders of blacks are done by other blacks.
I am not intending to inject race into this argument, just to point out the fact that young black males are the ones that not only commit the murders but are the victims of them too.
Life is cheap in the cities. Milwaukee has a horrible gang and crime problem but the liberal mayor would rather spend money on a trolley in an area of the city that will do nothing to help anyone instead of using that money to hire more cops.
The problem is liberalism, period.

ArmyATC

One thing I noticed was that those cities all seem to be run, and have been run for many years, by Democrats of the leftist persuasion. Oklahoma City seems to be the exception. I also wonder to what extent drugs have to do with the problem. Being a good ol’ Ohio boy, I know that Cleveland, and to a lesser extent Cincinnati, have been “strongholds” for drugs and gangs for years. Anecdotal, I know. I wonder if the other cities have the same experience.

Joe Williams

Think about this idea. The less education people have. The less the value of Human life. Think the SEA nations. Joe

AW1Ed

Hondo, Baltimore called and demanded a recount.

AW1Ed
Roh-dog

tl; dr.

Roh-dog

I was totally kidding. The girlfriend called ‘no balls’ to submitting the above. Guess I showed her.

To the OP, spot on! I’ve been in those FBI stats myself and came to the same conclusions. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting with the excel! I really wish that the ones calling for ‘reform’ did just a little research for themselves but their feedback loops are well established and clearly their solutions are rooted in magic.

SSG E

Hondo – regarding this caveat: “The “cities” above are exactly that – legal and political entities. They aren’t their entire metro area in many cases; they’re often ringed with smaller cities and towns (the famed “Suburbia”). However, they do generally include the old, urban “inner city” areas for the region in question.”

Cincinnati is a great illustration of that – there are 800K+ people living in Hamilton county, but fewer than 300K in the jurisdiction that is Cincinnati. There are separate jurisdictions completely surrounded by Cincinnati, like St. Bernard and Norwood, as well as neighboring cities and villages that nobody would consider to be other than Cincinnati – like, we’re talking about a 10-15 minute drive to Fountain Square – and they’re not jurisdictionally Cincinnati. Here’s a map (built for different purposes, but showing Cincinnati in shades of red):

http://media2.wcpo.com/photo/2013/11/26/map_1385487544866_1369973_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

In addition, northern Kentucky is an integral part of Cincinnati, with 370K folks in those three adjoining counties.

Cincinnati itself thus includes most of the high crime areas, without being diluted with the lower-crime suburbs you’d see in cities like Columbus, OH or Louisville, KY.

David

I wonder what the correlation between big cities with low crime rates and average educational levels would be. At a casual glance the correlation looks pretty high.