More “Global Warming” News

| June 29, 2014

While the northern hemisphere is approaching the height of summer, the southern hemisphere is approaching the depths of winter. Nothing new there.

“Learned scientists” keep telling us that the planet is overheating – fast. They say that overheating is a threat to the world.

So, someone please explain this to me.  Why has the average Antarctic ice coverage been observed to be generally increasing since satellite data has been available for same in 1979? If the planet is warming, shouldn’t we be seeing a decrease in Antarctic sea ice?

And why do we see record Antarctic sea ice coverage today – a record which exceeds the previous measured maximum by more than 12.7%? And why is the global sea ice coverage worldwide today a bit more than 1 million sq km above historical average?

Ya know, sometimes I swear I think that these “learned scientists” are smoking rope.  Or maybe eating “magic mushroom” pizza.

But maybe not.  Perhaps they’re just ignoring hard data they don’t like. Or, maybe they’re just fudging data for fiscal for political reasons.

After all: “global warming” is the cause célèbre du jure.  And nobody seems to be willing to fund anyone saying that the climate is cooling or staying roughly the same – or that we don’t have a clue as to what’s driving the climate in the first place.

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Timothy J. McCorkle

Our Gummint needs to Put someone like Rickover in charge of the Climate science department… The Piles Of headless and Assless Bodies would scare the Crap out of ISIS….

Sparks

HEY!!! Is this why my lawn is browning on the south side of the house and green on the north???

Damned sprinklers!!! 😀

JohnG

Climate change, absolutely. Changing sea levels, absolutely. Shifting weather patterns, Oh yes indeed! Man made? Not so much. If these “scientists” spent less time studying there bank accounts and attending “Funding and how to scam it” seminars they might have more time to look at History (or at least Google things like ‘Little Ice Age’ or Medieval Warm Period). When they can explain what mankind did to the climate to stop, for example, the Vikings growing barley and fruit in Greenland and all the other changes that have happened I will believe them. Until then, Fuck ’em! I’ll be more worried if the climate and weather patterns STOP changing, because they have before!

JohnG

That should end “they never have before!

Sapper3307

My dogs were suffering from global worming this summer one trip to the vets and their Giducks are all better.

streetsweeper

Bad…bad…bad! Love it! lmao!

streetsweeper

Since I’m using GNU\Linux on my boxes, there is a program available to install to run these so-called “climate change data operators”…Might have to install it. Just to see how many Giducks are in it…

Farflung Wanderer

Hondo, it’s mainly that second reason. I’ve heard a lot about how science has become politicized.

But hey, people are waking up to it. A record cold winter will do that to you.

Oh, and Jonn; I think we beat your record on “latest date snowed”.

Poetrooper

Hondo, I share your pain. The publisher/editor over at American Thinker periodically reminds me that my writing skills simply aren’t up to the skillful implementation of irony and humor.

Go figure…

Ex-PH2

Farflung Wanderer, I keep a weather diary. I recorded 6/18/2014 as showing snow in UT-NV-ID-WY-MT, temps were relevant.

Is your latest snow date later than that?

Also, ice was recorded on northen Great Lakes until June 12. Beach temps were 81F.

Farflung Wanderer

PH, nope, can’t say it has. However, Jonn told me once the latest he had seen it snow was Mother’s Day, and I know we passed that up over here when it last snowed.

Ex-PH2

I’m keeping a close eye on the whole US weather radar.

Snow or a wintry mix in June or July in the Rockies is not really unusual, if there is enough humidity. I have entries showing people were skiing and snowboarding in Colorado at mountain resorts in the 1990s, which meant the resorts didn’t shut down at their usual times.

Still, it seems unusual to have that, especially when we’re all supposed to be so aware of the problem. However, when winter humidity levels for 3 years are 50% to 100%, with or without snow, and the normal level is 20% to 40%, that is a signal that something is changing.

The Other Whitey

Meanwhile, California had a year without a winter. It stayed mostly warm(ish) and rained, like, twice.

It’s funny to see the idiots around here call it proof of global warming, because I can just point out that, while it was unusually warm and dry here, it was either unusually cold and flooded or unusually cold and snowed in everywhere else. Of course, those same idiots were talking about how great the weather was in January, yet can’t figure out why fire season started early this year.

thebesig

Originally posted by Ex-PH2:

I recorded 6/18/2014 as showing snow in UT-NV-ID-WY-MT, temps were relevant.

June 25, 2014 snow in Russia in an event described as, “unusual”:

http://www.smol.aif.ru/society/animals/1195657

Unusual June snowfall in Tromso, Norway, on June 22:

http://www.icenews.is/2014/06/22/snow-in-june-only-in-norway/

June snow in Estonia after 3 decades:

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2014/06/17/339941/snow-in-june-raises-eyebrows-in-estonia.html

I’ve been predicting, for years, that it was going to get colder at lower elevations, and further away from the poles. That prediction is holding. :mrgreen:

wxtvs

A close friend, an employee of NOAA and fellow sceptic, told me when he was working on his Masters, a prof told him it’s very simple:
“no problem = no research dollars”!

In context, that explains the 1970’s prediction of coming ice age, shrinking polar ice caps, global warming and countless other “crises” Watch a libs head explode, ask him what the percentage of the atmosphere, is the CO2 component!

Check this site: http://icecap.us/ and click on “experts” link for their creds.

Ex-PH2

Can I bring up the ‘climategate’ embarrassment that exposed the climate science guys for what they really are a few years ago? A bunch of jealous, quarrelsome, spoiled brats who curse like sailors and snipe at each other, their e-mails shocked a lot of people. Then they had to backtrack, cover their butts, and gripe about being exposed.

Why is sea ice expanding? Because there is more moisture in the air. Can someone drop in Arnodl Schwarzenegger’s ‘too much moisture’ from ‘Red Heat’?

The humidity levels have risen everywhere, even in dry areas. The Thwaite glacier in Antarctica is melting faster than was expected, NOT because of global warming, but because it sits on an active rift zone on the Antarctic land mass and that rift zone is volcanically active.

If the ocean temps are warmer, how come the hurricanes are in the Pacific now, and not the Atlantic?

They should be concerned about the freshwater volume increasing in the Atlantic. They forget their own freaking science that says excessive freshwater dumped into salt/sea water will shut down the thermohaline overturn.

They ignore these signals that indicate the Earth/planet is about to take an ice dump on them, because otherwise, their bread doesn’t get buttered. They forget the obvious cause of precipitation – high humidity. They also forget that short-term changes precede long-term changes.

Why are they ignoring it? Because they have difficulty admitting that all those years of graduate and post-graduate work still have them in the dark and they don’t have all the answers, that’s why.

thebesig

Originally posted by Ex-PH2:

They ignore these signals that indicate the Earth/planet is about to take an ice dump on them…

…Because there is more moisture in the air. Can someone drop in Arnodl Schwarzenegger’s ‘too much moisture’ from ‘Red Heat’?

The humidity levels have risen everywhere, even in dry areas.

Increased moisture in the atmosphere contributes to increased precipitation in the form of snow and rain. That has been happening steadily over the past few years.

Another impact is the sun. Solar sunspot activity is behaving very similar now to the way it behaved prior to the Dalton and Maunder Minimums. The sun is showing signs that it’s about to enter another Dalton or Maunder minimum:

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-viii-new-solar-model-predicts-imminent-global-cooling/

Using history as a precedent, we’ve already entered a prolonged cooling period. Over the past 4 years, record cold temperatures set during the last mini ice age fell to new record cold temperatures.

Increased volcanic activity, earthquake activity, increased precipitation, more violent storm activity, etc, are symptoms of us entering another mini ice age.

We’re within a few years of seeing a serious drop in average global temperatures…

Ex-PH2

We had one solar minimum not so long ago. 18 months of it. 2008 to 2010. No sunspot activity. That set them buzzing. Then solar activity picked up, but the sun didn’t act ‘normal’ (whatever that is), meaning it didn’t do the ‘usual’ magnetic polar flip, and they didn’t understand that. So THAT got them worried. It takes such little in the way of changes in solar activity to affect the weather on Planet Earth, it’s right under their noses, and they still can’t figure it out: Nature, Earth and the sun have their own agenda and we puny humans can do little except adapt to those changes. In regard to prolonged cooling, the current practice among these climate science guys is to average out the cooling periods. That alone is bad science. I put together a bar chart covering 600,000 years of cooling and warming periods that clearly shows their irregularity. Averaging the length of time for them completely throws off the numbers used for the temperature charts, yet THAT INCORRECT METHOD is what is used to determine that global warming will never end. Example: the Toba eruption occurred 80,000 years ago. It coincides with a DNA bottleneck that shows a loss of diversity in various hominid species AT THAT TIME, the assumption being that the loss was caused by Toba’s eruption and a drop in temperature. That’s entirely possible, but that eruption took place roughly one-third of the way into the Sangamon warmup, a warming period that lasted 61,000 years, starting 128,000 BP and ending 67,000 BP. In other words, after Toba, the Sangamon warmup STILL HAD 48,000 years of warming left. This is when modern humans (us) became the dominant hominids. The Wisconsin cooling period followed, starting 67,000BP, and ending around 18,000BP, with the Holocene, and human settlements began. It’s possible we’ll be in a prolonged cooling period, but the dismissive attitude toward anything that doesn’t meet the averages and suit the thought processes of the science guys is going to be ignored. It’s more likely we’ll see a series of wild swings from ‘hot’ to ‘cold’… Read more »

John D

MMMM….

Rope and Pizza!

Meanwhile, temp sensor just off my garage door is reading 104F!
Must be SOMETHING to all this…..
Oh yeah, it’s summer.

And the living is eaasssy!

jonp

Damn, Hondo. Will you get a grip? It’s not global warming its “climate change” and the sea ice increasing is evidence of the change in climate. See how easy a simple change in language to serve a political purpose is?

FatCircles0311
Delilah T.

Oh, but the splinter group ISIL has declared itself a caliphate (is that like an elephant?) and that will make everything all better. Won’t it?

http://news.msn.com/world/al-qaeda-splinter-group-declares-islamic-caliphate

The Other Whitey

To quote my Grandpa: “Climate change? Shit, of course the climate changes! That’s why they call it the fucking WEATHER!”

Yes, that is a direct, word-for-word quote.

Country Singer

As with anything, just follow the money. If there is no “climate crisis,” then all those sweet, sweet gubmint research dollars dry up, along with the financial contributions of the gullible to the Algores of the world.

LC

Or, possibly, the surface area IS increasing but the volume, which is the important thing, is decreasing.

In short, the density of the ice UNDER the water is higher than the surface ice, so as the waters beneath warm slightly and some ice melts, sea ice rises to offset the changes in buoyancy. This rise exposes more of the less-dense ice, which increases surface area.

The *volume* of sea ice is more important than the surface area.

I’m not a climate scientist, but my guess is you could ask one and they’d have a pretty reasonable answer to this sea ice question, probably with math to back it up.

Dave

With ice I the issue would be mass, not density. The immense mass of the ice forces the majority of it down.

It’s winter there, and very cold. Water will freeze. I read an article a few weeks ago saying the Antarctic shelf was in danger of splintering off, and now it has record ice coverage. Climate science seems hard.

CCO

What gets me is when there are discussions of glaciers retreating and revealing villages. In other words, the glaciers weren’t always there; just like the Vikings were able to grow crops in Greenland, which was probably green when they found it.

Ex-PH2

That’s why it’s called Greenland. Didn’t you know that? It’s why they settled there.

Iceland was enveloped in ice, hence the name Iceland.

The Swiss Alps were ice-free 4,000 years ago.

Ootze the Iceman died on a trip to meet his gods, while the Atacama ice cap formed in Peru at the same time: 5,200 years ago.

The snows of Kilimanjaro were formed 10,000 years ago. Now they’re melting away.

The carbon tax is simply an excuse to grab money from you. That proposed 12cent gas tax? Ditto.

Ex-PH2

If anyone wants to cough up $36 for a pdf of the report on the pollen cores from Lake Van in Anatolia, Turkey, here’s a link from Hockey Schtick:

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/new-paper-shows-prior-interglacials.html

You see, this entire load of crap about manmade causes of warming period fails to take into account that research going back 600,000 years eliminates the human factor. Modern humans did not exist that long ago. We appeared barely 165,000 years ago, interbred with Neandertals, and the ‘campfire smoke guilt trip’ stuff simply doesn’t hold water.

David

“What we expect is climate. What we get is weather.”

The old man is STILL right. Again.

Ex-PH2

There’s an interesting report on abrupt swings in climate, with the study covering an 800,000 year period. The sources were deep Greenland ice cores and Antarctic ice cores.

The text can be found at this link:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6054/347

What these people found is that the climate can change in the blink of an eye. The claim that ‘global warming’ is the result of human interference is deflated by this report, which allows the records of volcanic eruptions, increased sea ice coverage due to increased humidity levels, etc., etc., etc., to show that climate change can be and frequently is abrupt, in fact, generational. By generational, I mean one or two actual human generations.

The African Sahara has advanced and retreated regularly. Atlantic mud cores show that the Sahara can change from desert to wet and green in barely 100 years, and go back to desert just as quickly, and that it has a regular cycle. I’ll find that reference and add it here.

I think climate science is less certain than psychiatry, mostly because it changes with the weather report. (Giggling is mine.)

Pinto Nag

Follow the money. The scientists with the best “Chicken Little” story are the ones with the biggest research grants.

Of COURSE there is climate change. Ours is a living planet, and it has cycles and flows and ebbs and checks and balances. That’s the way it’s supposed to be.

Ex-PH2

Here’s a report from 2004 regarding cyclical climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041219142907.htm

The following isn’t an analysis of the Saharan wet-dry cycle, but rather a collection of information about it.

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/cold-dry-sahara-hot-wet-savanna/

What you can take away from this is that these cycles recur on their own timetable and we have no control over them, at all. If this particular cycle is becoming a wetter one, as shown by mud cores from various sources including China and the Nile River, then that is what we need to prepare for. Wetter weather includes snow in areas that don’t normally see much of it, if any at all. It means flooding in places that aren’t prepared to deal with it, and more violent hurricanes and typhoons. That’s what we should be looking at, and that’s what we should be preparing for.

Ex-PH2

I’ll add this 2011 article regarding a study on wet-dry cycles in the US west, particularly the PacNW area.

http://www.news.pitt.edu/news/Abbott-wet-dry-cycles-American-West

The outposts on what was once the Old Silk Road, a major trading route between China and Europe, are in desert areas, so why were they built there, so long ago? Because it was wetter than it is now, and the Gobi Desert was not advancing to the borders of Beijing the way it is now.

I have no flowering plants in my little flowerbed this year. It’s been too wet and too cold, and I ran the furnce in June. Heavy wet snow in April. I have pictures. And in other areas, there is drastic loss of rainfall and loss of crop/pasture land. These wet/dry cycles are part of the planet’s balancing mechanisms and have little to nothing to do with us or CO2 in the airm as shown in the length of time indicated in those mud cores and ice cores.

If the AGWers ever get off the warming kick and open their eyes, someone please let me know. Thanks.

Dave Hardin

You are the only one I know that sleeps less than I do.

Ex-PH2

My cat woke me with his leaky teakettle snoring noises at 3AM. And I went to bed at 10:30PM, instead of 11:30PM, which precludes my getting any sleep past the 3AM hour. When we go off CDST, it’ll be 2AM. It’s a good thing I have a hobby, isn’t it?

Dave Hardin

Yes it is. Lets see what kind of asshattery we can get into today.

Ex-PH2

There was an article on Accuweather about the finding that smoke particles from wildfires have different properties than regular carbon emissions, which may have a direct impact on climate science.

Here is one from Science Daily in 2013:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130830131200.htm

Here is another form Science Daily in July 2014: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140707103639.htm

Both articles indicate that these findings will change climate research methods.

This article from Science Daily discusses volcanic eruptions, followed by drops in mean temperature in other parts of the world distant from the eruptions, and my response to the article is that this subject has been addressed many times, and the results are not news. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140213103405.htm

Oh, yeah: there was snowfall in Siberia Saturday following a 20-degree (Celsius) drop in temperature.

http://rt.com/news/172468-freaky-snow-urals-siberia/

Apparently, it also happened a year ago, at Kemerovo.

http://beforeitsnews.com/earthquakes/2013/06/snow-in-june-russias-siberian-town-in-absolute-anomaly-2461378.html

My point is not that we’re having an instant return to the ice sheets, but rather that this is how it starts. Siberia had several years of dry, hot summers, and now the opposite is happening.