Phony SEAL chief of Waukegan, IL PD
Jeff sends us a link to the Chicago Tribune story about Robert Kerkorian, the new police chief of Waukegan, IL who put on his 1987 application to join the police force that he was, what else, a Navy SEAL;
But Chief Robert Kerkorian never trained as a SEAL, according to military records obtained by the Tribune. He was in the Navy for six months and never entered the rigorous training required of the special operations force, records show.
Asked about his military career, Kerkorian repeatedly declined to discuss the issue.
“Anything that preceded my employment here as a police officer has no bearing on my 26 years as a law enforcement officer here,” he said.
Well, other than the fact that you’re big F’n liar, nuts which are numb. Don Shipley busted him, of course;
By adding SEAL training to his application, the new chief essentially credited himself with undertaking “the toughest military training in the world,” said Don Shipley, a former SEAL who exposes military fakers online. People who misstate their service on applications, Shipley said, mislead employers and disrespect veterans’ sacrifices.
“When you’re putting that crap on a job resume, you’re definitely trying to profit from it,” he said.
Apparently, the mayor doesn’t think it’s a big deal.
Questioned about his new chief’s military record, Motley said he had not looked at Kerkorian’s personnel file and the two had never discussed his service. His military credentials are “not relevant to his employment as chief,” Motley said, describing himself as “very pro-Kerkorian.”
“I think he’s doing an excellent job. He’s very well-respected,” he said.
Yeah, but can you believe anything that comes out of his crooked mouth?
Category: Phony soldiers
Hondo – thank you for the correction; I was a little short of concentration camp guards’ names. I do agree with the consensus above that the first time he (or probably the mayor) get on a witness stand, they will be eviscerated. If I were a defense counsel in Waukegan, I would certainly try.
Where the fuck did this douchenugget’s neck go?
102: no issue, amigo. Until recently, I’d have probably used him as an example too. Then I researched his history briefly one day, and was rather bothered by what I found.
Demjanjuk is the one everybody thinks about, because he made the news so often. And of all of the prominent Nazi war criminals that were later caught, he might – and I stress might – be one of very few to have gotten a raw deal.
I have no doubt Demjanjuk had skeletons in his past, and I’d guess he was very likely a Nazi collaborator of some sort. People will do all sorts of horrible and evil things when the choices are do that or almost certainly die.
But I do think there’s a very good chance Demjanjuk was NOT guilty of the specific crimes of which he was accused over the years.
Nicki: his “inner SEAL” at it. (smile)
you mean he WAS well respected, we will see shortly
A false claim of SEAL service leads to a police officer career, or the genesis to start a small veteran owned logistics company. What’s the harm? As for the police department, how many positions were available that year? How many veterans were considered but not hired, based on this individual’s experience as a SEAL? Servicemen members that completed their military obligation without embellishing their careers were left to the wayside. How many start up companies never made it beyond a guy and his dream, because that government contract went to Phillip Monkress instead of another veteran that had the integrity not to lie?
I am not a SEAL, nor do I play one on television, but I find it hard to believe that he would even be eligible to start SEAL training with only six months total service. If they screen like the other services do for those “elite assignments”, you have to spend some time out in the fleet, proving your chops. If your command feels that you may be a good candidate, they would recommend you, but then you play the waiting game for that screening team to show up on base, do a quick interview, and if you pass that, they dig a little deeper, set you up for a formal screening of your physical, mental and moral qualifications, then, and only then, you get orders to report. Maybe a few actual SEALs can give a defined processing time, but I would be willing to bet that from the point you say “I wanna be a SEAL” until you report for training, it’s probably six months there. And how come no one in this police department asked “Who the fucks serve six months without getting kicked out?”
Turd.
Here’s a bit of background on the Waukegan PD and the change of mayor and chief this spring:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-10/news/ct-met-waukegan-mayor-police-chief-20130411_1_chief-daniel-greathouse-police-chief-officers
All sorts of possibilities for animosity throughout the department, it would seem.
@106 – Hack Stone — That question “who serves six months?” ONLY six month? I’m as curious as anybody else to find out what’s behind that.
His “little white lie” now jeopardizes EVERY single case he ever testified in. Well done sh*tbag!
A wise man that was a combat veteran and blogger, who once said: “Character and Integrity do matter”. I’m with Planet Ord and several others. Any defense attorney worth his salt, could take this “past disprepancy” on an official government document and fry him with it.
FWIW; there was a small town up in the Texas panhandle that hired an “experienced” man to replace their retiring C.O.P.
One slight problem there, he lied on his application,lied about his “service record”, also implied he had all sorts of college level courses that qualified him for the job and then, was very shocked when the Texas Rangers came a knocking on his office and home doors.
Anybody that knows the Texas Rangers reputation and are known to be rather thorough, would probably tell you the same as me, it weren’t looking very purdy for that man. *click click*
Anon-lying about one’s experience can result in HUGE liabilities for any government entity.
Case in point which VOV is no doubt familiar. MA had a little chemist with the state lab who had one wee problem:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/02/03/chasing-renown-path-paved-with-lies/Axw3AxwmD33lRwXatSvMCL/story.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/09/mass-high-court-mulling-drug-lab-case-procedures-after-scandal-that-tainted/
They’re now looking at upwards of THRITY THOUSAND CASES being thrown out. Defendants have been released, some of whom were later arrested for murder and further drug offenses.
Why? Little white lies. Which became BIG ones.
I totally agree with the mayor who supports him!
What should integrity have to do with being the police chief?
Ex-PH2: the only scenarios I can see that make sense are (1) compassionate discharge due to family hardship, (2) entry level separation, (3) admin discharge for misconduct or punitive discharge due to court-martial, or (4) a 6-month-long IET period (there may be some rates with training that long) in conjunction with a USNR enlistment. Of those, (1) and (4) would not have detrimental effect on a subsequent career in LE. Case (2) might or might not; case (3) most certainly should. But either (2) or (3) could have slipped through the proverbial cracks if the hiring authority was clueless or corrupt.
Hondo–I can’t think of a single enlistment program that existed back then (including Sea-Air-Mariner, or SAM) that didn’t involve more than six months AD, even if going back to reserves. And even then, the FOIA would show more than six months, since they include both AD and reserve time.
Finally, the 214, even with entry level separation, would show a code that unless the Waukegan PD was complete clueless and/or incompetent, they’d know right off the bat if there were some issues or not. Given their fact to the only naval recruit training command and one of the largest training commands in the military, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say they’ve run into a squid once or twice in Waukegan.
involve more – involve less. Damn my finger/brain disconnect.
Sparky, weren’t San Diego and Orlando still in use as recruit training commands in 1987? Glenview wasn’t sold until Clinton was in office. Photo “A” school at Pensacola didn’t close until 1997. What am I missing?
NHSparky: civil service applications generally only care about active duty time when asking about prior service; they generally could care less about reserve time. That’s why they generally ask for a DD214 as proof. The reason is that many give service credit for active duty time (often with the requirement for a deposit into the retirement fund), but don’t allow any such credit for Reserve Component service if not on active duty.
Thanks for the input on USNR enlistment programs. In that era, I’m pretty sure there were some Army enlistment programs for the Reserve and/or National Guard that could have resulted in about 6 months on active duty before the individual completed their IET and was released from active duty to return to their RC unit. (I’m pretty sure there still are some today.) I didn’t realize IET for all Navy rates was shorter than 6 mo.
PH2–they were, but neither had the training command as large as Great Lakes. Granted, San Diego had/has a MUCH larger overall military presence, but also consider the immediate SD area has a lot more people as well than does North Chicago and Waukegan. AFAIK, while the HM’s and CS’s (old MS rate) no longer train at NTC, there are at least a dozen A schools and a boatload of C schools there.
Hondo–we had a couple of SAM guys in my boot camp company. One was between his junior and senior year in HS, but both were supposed to (IIRC) do two years AD then four in the reserves. I can’t think of anyone who did less AD time than that.
I was basing the skepticism on the six months on the story in the paper. I agree that a lot of civil applications only care about AD time, but the FOIA, if that’s what the paper was going with, lists both, and I’m wondering why the paper didn’t include that if it was in fact listed.
Time for a Randy Johnson smoking fastball…
Anonymous I think you have earned a measure of respect for sticking to your “guns” (more or less) throughout this entire debate. Credit given where credit is due. Unlike many who choose to use the Anonymous title and come in firing “blindly” you continue to use thoughtful debate.
Aw, cool! If I lie about being a SEAL in Waukeegan, can I be police chief, too?
Ya da Ya da Ya da….I am willing to bet it has been on more recent applications since 1987. I’m certain he had to to “apply” for the new position. Were his SEAL credentials on the more recent applications?
I’ll be the first to call it: I BET HE HAS NO PRIOR MILITARY SERVICE!
I would not be surprised when the FOI request is returned it states that there are no records of his service. Something about this sets the radar off.
NHSparky: given the link OWB posted above in comment 108, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone slipped the Tribune a copy of the guy’s DD214 and/or original application. I don’t think the Tribune explicitly states where they got the records, and an individual’s first DD214 can show active duty service only if they didn’t participate in the DEP.
Hopefully full name and mo/yr of birth plus a long window (between 1980 and 1987) and an estimated length of service (6 mo) is enough for a records “hit” at NPRC. I’ll be interested as hell to see what his official records actually say about his service.
Defense Attorny’s will have afield day with this intell at least for folks he charged with crimes. This is proof that he has no integrity that #1 He as the arresting Officer is a Liar #2 He lied for personal gain #3 If he will lie to get a job that demands trust, what type of lies might he swear to in order to get a conviction of an “innocent person” . If this D-bag had ever written me a speeding ticket I would be sueing right now.
To #43 Gassed a few Jews? Whoa, slow down there. Thats way off topic.
@126
How so?
Well you said so matter-of-factly, “gassed a few Jews”. Thats much different than someone being called out on lying about their resume saying they were a SEAL. To many millions of people, gassing a few Jews is much more hienous and awful than stolen valor. I mean geesh, kind of an extreme reference Sir, Thats all I meant. Respectfully submitted.
peteOldABH: see comment 71 above. I’m pretty sure O-4E was using an intentionally-extreme case to make a point about the fallacy of the argument that doing right for a period of time outweighs a serious offense which occurred beforehand.
That was how I took it as well, Hondo.
The point I was trying to make..was that in each case..both lied on an application for personal gain.
Yet we choose to overlook one and not the other
Next time I will use Michael Vick wanting to become the National Spokesman for the SPCA
Ok, I just got a little carried away. You guys are correct.
Probably should have just stayed out of it. Whatever the case, He should come clean, admit his lies, and ask forgiveness from his community.
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Why is this coming up now? I think a case of sour grapes on the part of the chief that was ousted is more likely. What better way to get back at the department and council that demoted you?
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thinker: I neither know nor care why the matter is coming up now. That’s irrelevant.
The Waukegan Police Chief is apparently a liar, and chances appear good that he may have falsified his initial application for employment as a Waukegan policeman. That’s something the people of Waukegan should know.