Is Tim Walz a Case of Stolen Valor?
When enough isn’t enough. We feel as if we really haven’t squeezed everything out of this yet, so…
The folks at MilitaryPhony have sent us their work on Tim Walz. Although they are waiting on official military records, they decided to summarize the issues surrounding VP Candidate & Minnesota Governor Walz.
As a community with expertise in Stolen Valor, we are being asked:
Are the issues surrounding Tim Walz a case of stolen valor?
OVERVIEW
The media coverage surrounding Tim Walz has sparked discussions about whether his actions amount to stolen valor. While some may argue that his claims, such as serving as a Command Sergeant Major and carrying weapons of war “in war,” could be seen as attempts to gain credibility, they may not meet the legal threshold for stolen valor. The debate around stolen valor often stems from a broader range of embellishments and false claims within the military community.
Some discrepancies have been scrutinized regarding Walz’s specific claims, such as his retirement as a Command Sergeant Major and references to serving in Afghanistan. While it is clear that specific claims were made, such as being a retired Command Sergeant Major, the context surrounding these claims may require further investigation.
While some aspects of Walz’s case may lean towards embellishment rather than stolen valor, it is crucial to consider the nuanced discussion and broader implications of the term “stolen valor” in a military context. Additional details may emerge that shed more light on the situation, and opinions within the veteran community may vary on the significance of these claims.
In conclusion, as the situation regarding Tim Walz continues to unfold, it is essential to remain observant and attentive to any new developments that may arise. While there has been scrutiny surrounding his claims, definitive evidence of Stolen Valor, particularly involving specific medals, has not surfaced thus far.
From the strict aspect of being Stolen Valor investigators, an army of thousands of people is helping by banging on keyboards and searching for information. So, there’s that.
That said, the available information to date suggests a pattern of embellishment rather than clear violations that would constitute Stolen Valor. While public opinion may be forgiving, the veteran community may hold a more critical perspective. Ultimately, individual interpretations of the situation may vary.
Without a clear violation of the Stolen Valor Act of 2013, it is unlikely that Tim Walz will be found guilty of Stolen Valor based on minor infractions alone. Should there never be a compelling “smoking gun” that emerges, his case may be subject to being decided by “a thousand tiny paper cuts.”
THE END GAME
Addressing concerns within the veteran community directly and with transparency is advised, as honesty and acknowledgment of any misleading language can help mitigate controversy.
Navigating such situations effectively requires openness and a willingness to address any perceived discrepancies, as ignoring or downplaying the issue could prolong tensions. Lessons learned from other cases can provide valuable insights into managing similar controversies in the future.
A BULLETED, POWERPOINT-ESQUE OVERVIEW
The summary of the claims and issues surrounding Tim Walz are as follows:
Direct Claims:
- Retired Command Sergeant Major (CSM E-9)
- Served for 24 years in the National Guard
- Carried a weapon of war “in war”
Indirect Claims:
- Served in Afghanistan
- Implied Special Forces service by wearing SF insignia
Opinion:
- References to ‘abandoning’ his troops by avoiding deployment
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RETIREMENT AS COMMAND SERGEANT MAJOR
Walz retired and initially should have been a Master Sergeant (E-8) rather than a Command Sergeant Major (E-9).
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Administrative paperwork discrepancies exist regarding his retirement rank.
This is not a debate—Walz did retire and ‘administratively’ should have been a Master Sergeant (E-8) rather than a Command Sergeant Major (E-9). From what we read, he weighed the options and willingly gave up his appointment as a Command Sergeant Major to retire and run for office.
Oddly enough, his paperwork says that he was a CSM (E-9) when he retired in May 2005, but there was a correction four (4) months later to MSG (E-8). If one were to play semantics, which we don’t get the sense that Walz was doing, it is *technically* true that he retired as an E-9. That is only because the administrative paperwork did not catch up to him until four (4) months later.
Note that Walz did not sign, perhaps not being present.
NGB 22 (similar to a DD-214, but for the NG)
NGB 22A (similar to a DD-215, but for the NG)
DISCLAIMER: The paperwork above was obtained from a trusted source. We have requested our own official military documents to establish a clean chain of custody. We suspect that any official documents will confirm the above, but we still want to put out this disclaimer when we have not directly obtained the documents.
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SERVING “IN WAR” AND/OR AFGHANISTAN
Claims and references to serving in Afghanistan have been made, but Walz visited Afghanistan on a Congressional visit in 2011, not as a military member on active duty.
This clip from C-SPAN may be the most compelling regarding the ‘Retired Command Sergeant Major’ and ‘served in Afghanistan’ claims. Walz hears his resume regarding military service and seems to nod in agreement but does not correct the host. Also, Congressman Gibson calls Walz “Sergeant Major” throughout the 41-minute segment, and Walz never corrects him.
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Then, there is this newspaper article.
“CARRIED WEAPONS OF WAR, IN WAR” CLAIM
Walz claimed to have carried weapons of war in combat, which he later acknowledged as a mistake.
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This was probably the sharpest point for implying Walz was in combat. He didn’t benefit financially from the statement, so it appears it was either for “street cred” or simply to bolster the point he was making at the time. We have not seen other claims of Walz being in combat surface, but people are still looking.
He did say he ‘misspoke’ about being ‘in war,’ but is that enough to satisfy people who are upset over this claim?
SPECIAL FORCES BALLCAP
Photos show Walz wearing a ball cap with the Special Forces insignia, implying Special Forces service, though no direct claims have surfaced other than the numerous photos.
RETIREMENT TIMING
The timing of Walz’s retirement has been debated, but this issue is outside our jurisdiction and is laced with opinion and speculation about his motive. We don’t venture into this territory.
MILITARY RECORDS
Official military records for Tim Walz have been requested, but they are not expected to differ significantly from the information already made public.
FINAL CONCLUSION & DISCUSSION
Ongoing scrutiny and developments in this situation are being closely monitored.
No definitive evidence, such as specific medals, proving Stolen Valor has been revealed yet.
The available information suggests embellishment rather than clear violations of Stolen Valor.
Public opinion may differ from the perspective of the veteran community.
It is unlikely that Walz will be found guilty of Stolen Valor through minor infractions without clearly violating the Stolen Valor Act of 2013.
As stated previously, there’s room to consider mitigation…
Walz may want to consider directly addressing concerns within the veteran community. Transparency is highly recommended to navigate the situation effectively. Ignoring or downplaying the issue may prolong the controversy.
We’ve been here before and seen how these things play out.
Category: Afghanistan, National Guard, Stolen Valor Act
Lassie needs to leave the embellishing, chicken sh*t POS, Tampon Timmie, in the well.
PHUQUE HEEM!
Yes, he stole valor. Was it the most egregious case we’ve ever seen? No, but things were said about him and his record that were completely false, and misrepresented and he NEVER made any attempt to correct the record until he was caught with his fingers the in stolen valor cookie jar. As a vet he KNOWS that its WRONG but he remained silent to reap the political benefits. He knows bumping around in that SF cap gives the impression of serving in Special Forces without actually saying “I served in Special Forces”. I saw X posts early by his defenders claiming he was SF. His biggest offense is bailing on his troopers before deployment. I am not interested in his song and dance about his enlistment contract. The FACT remains he decided to leave his unit KNOWING they were deploying. That’s an ABSOLUTE FAIL in his leadership ability and calls into question his courage. Imagine if a month before D-Day Dick Winters decided to opt-out of the 506th PIR. 2 years of training to be the leader and just Walz-ing away…haha. See what I did there? I wouldn’t vote for a Dem as my local dog catcher, so his stolen valor problems do not have bearing on this election as far as I am concerned.
Spot on/nailed it, HT3. Pretty much the point I made on the MP Thread last night when it dropped into my inbox. The Chicken Sh*t POS KNEW the deployment was upcoming and bailed. Hell, the clerks, cooks, supply weenies, wrench turners, and for sure all the comm rats knew. Still winding my azz and scratching my watch as to WHY this POS was “selected” to be Kum-Hella’s running mate. The “They” should’ve known that every piece of dirt EVAH would be dug up and thrown against the wall to see what would stick. Maybe The “They” figured since it was no big deal when he got (s)elected as The Guv, that would hold true with the rest of the country. There’s a long term game plan here that is not being talked about. Now…what about the trips to Chynah? Hmmmm
Yeah, those trips weren’t just cause he likes Chop Suey…
Walz is being introduced at the DNC as RETIRED Command Sargent Major again/still despite the FACT he is NOT a retired CSM. Once and always a liar…
99% of democrats don’t even know what that is, the other 1% don’t care.
Steaming pile of traitors and morons there.. here’s hoping that the terrorists they created do what they do best in Shitcago this week..
Leftists lie– it’s how they do anything.
This guy can’t stop lying…
Not he’s saying IVF was how his wife got pregnant except the NYT & CNN say that’s not true as shown below. JDV takes the stance of the Catholic Church to be anti-IVF because of the discarded embryos, so Lyin’ Tampon Tim has ride in on his phony white horse.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/20/politics/gwen-walz-fertility-struggles/index.html
Lying.. it’s the democrat way
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It’s clear to me that one of two things happened:
1) Kamala Harris and her team were either sloppy or negligent in their vetting to not realize this would be a problem.
or…
2) They knew this would be controversial and calculated that by playing it down and having the media as an ally, they could quickly weather it.
I honestly don’t know which is worse.
Actually I believe that no one else wanted the position and Harris had not other choice.
You may be correct. I had not yet considered that option.
It is quite likely that others’ “scandals” were far worse and his would be the least painful to deal with.
Though, neither have talked to the press in over 3 weeks, so they’re playing the Biden in the Basement game.
Needed more appeal to a certain demographic:
Boy… That’s an oldie but a goodie if ever there was one !!!
She needed Minnesota.
Which means she’s in trouble electorally. (I also think that “no one else would take the job” was the #1 reason. We all agree on the reasons, I believe, just not the ranking of the reasons.)
MN is about as reliably blue as you can get. It was the only state Reagan lost in ’84, and hasn’t gone Republican since Nixon.
And yet Trump was polling ahead or at least competitive. Just like Virginia and a couple of other states. Now it’s back to a dead heat.
I honestly believe that they will win MN, NY, CA, WA and maybe IL, and that’s about it.
They’ll “win” those, ‘stixx…the other states they’ll just steal. Dominion…grins
Throwaway ticket.
They know they are boned, so the ticket is appealing to their lunatic core while yhey wish for a miracle to rid them of Trump.
They do not want much leakage to Green or Hard-Red alternative parties, to avoid habituating the crazies to 3rd parties.
Democrats have a plan:
There is only one way to stop the fraud.
VOLUNTEER to be a Poll Watcher, this is my 8’Th election I have watched, and you can bet I will be watching Texas State like an American Eagle…
If you don’t volunteer this election, you’re just as miserable as all the klownes that vote for these two.
Head off the upcoming civil strife and all the fun things that these assholes have in store for us.
VOLUNTEER DAMMIT !!!
I wonder how many will be for Biden. Lol
The gadgets will count them as “Harris”. But the humor potential of a recount finding a gazillion “Biden” ballots is -yuge-.
And if that seems far fetched, note that the platform distributed at the DNC supposedly had a bunch of references to Biden’s second term. Oopsie.
Can you imagine the legal sophistry that would be used to count those clearly bogus ballots? “Will of the People!” “Voter Intent!” “TOTALLY NOT CHEATING! NOT!”
(grin)
Must buy more popcorn…
They vetted him alright.
Walz is a lying POS, which is a prerequisite for politicians.
Mis-representing his sh*t as cooler than it was.
I think I have more respect for E8 Moerk than I do retired E8 Walz.
Walz at -10, Moerk at -9. One turd is slightly smaller.
Moerk and Windy
He could have ended his long career with some real combat
zone respect from his troops and the accoutrements to go
along with it. Stolen valor or not he is still a blue falcon in the
eyes of this vet. YMMV.
You mean….😎
F*ck buddies before buddy-f*ckers…
Walz is a bigger fraud than that other guy who shall not be named. A 100% certified lying sack of blue falcon shit.
“That other guy who shall not be named” doesn’t narrow it down very much on this site. 😉
True, but I sorta figure that guy will be along to squawk like a seagull in favor of Walz’ policies.
Oh, wait, just saw this… he might be a little busy with a certain event right now:
https://x.com/KatiePavlich/status/1825325915548623113
Is he the one with the medic bag?
What he often claims– could be.
I’m gonna guess he’s one of those protesters that’s dressed up as an abortion pill.
I’m surprised he hasn’t returned from his self-imposed exile to show us the error of our ways.
OOh, don’t worry, he will.. he’s just waiting for the opportunity to make a dramatic entrance and over-emphasize his importance..
That narrowed it down bunch. Seriously. And one was just here the other day.
If you say his name three times, he appears.
I thought he was using the major tuddy handle now? I mean he was supposedly a major, and a flaming liberal so it fits.
Major tuddy replies don’t last for 3 pages.
I’m not sure we.are.worthy of reeducation at this point.
I know I’m beyond saving. And I’ve made my peace with that.
Re previous claim of reenlistment at 20 year mark in 2001 of 4 years vice 6 years. Note that his NGB 22 Block 11 show 2007 09 18. Which was 6 years not 4 years.
Also note his E-9 DOR was 2005 04 01. And 46 days later he retired???? Did he accept the promotion knowing he was going to retire?
E-8 DOR is 2004 09 17, which means he made E-9 with 6.5 months TIG as an E-8. Also retired with only 8 months TIG as an E-8. Both seem questionable, although promotion/retirement rules vary by date of first day of active duty and the service you started with and finished with (I’m not interested in doing that research).
Note: I retired from the Navy Reserve and have twice as many ARCOMs as Timmy.
Timmy got promoted six times (three competitive) in his first 281 months (assuming he started at E-1) and then received arguably the two hardest promotions in just his last eight months… amazing.
Nothing to see here… move along.
Contrast: It took me 60 months to go from E-8 to E-9 and I felt fortunate.
You do have to wonder what connections he had since he lacks any moral courage.
I had more fruit salad than that turd before I went commissioned.
My issue is that he had an honorable service yet decided to embellish it for personal gain. It may not violate the Act, but it violates the unspoken agreement between veterans to honor those that fell by not denigrating ourselves by claiming something that is not true or not correcting those that misrepresent our service. Gov. Walz should apologize for his misleading/false statements and make amends.
^This^
He knew what he was doing. He knew he was (and I’ll be charitable) stretching the truth. It was intentional. It wasn’t a momentary slip, or a failure to correct someone’s misunderstanding. It’s become a large part of his political identity.
It’ll be a cold day in hell before a Democrat takes responsibility for any stupid s*** that they did.
He did benefit because he said such things to stay in office and get votes. It’s not as significant as the hundreds of thousands of dollars others have made, but is monetary gain worse than becoming an elected official and getting re-elected with such claims?
And the fact that it’s only veterans that will call him out is small potatoes. The military and veterans population keeps getting smaller every year and they don’t really care if they lose any of those votes since usually Democrats lose the military / veteran vote anyway.
Someone commented, “JD Vance is eligible to join the VFW, Walz is not.”
I thought they went out of business years ago.
I’m a member of the VFW, and at the time the VFW were running short of members so they decided that Vets who were involved in Op. Power Pack (1965) would be eligible.
VFW = Very Few Winners up here in my neck of the woods.
When a 24 year career is capped with an ARCOM for a retirement award, that is the epitome of mediocrity. Or worse.
WTF, damn I got a MSM on my retirement as a TSgt (E-6). I didn’t choose to retire though, I was medically retired.
Mike
USAF Retired
That’s really unusual because that is a “SNCO Award”. Congrats.
Thank you, would have been my second one. What would have been my first when I left one unit was lost in the shuffle due to 9-11.
I didn’t feel it prudent to ask my old unit where it was, and so on. So it never got submitted, it seems, but more important things were going on in the world.
Mike
USAF Retired
Shucks, I received a MSM in 1995 after I retired as a SSG(E-6). I also chose to retire because I had reached my RCP and promotions just weren’t happening due to the Dems wanting their ‘peace dividend’. So the Army’s end strength was cut from 750,000 to 550,000 over 3 or 4 years.
I would be tickled pink if the Army would have let me ‘play’ for 3 more years. But them’s the breaks.
Happy Birthday to the USAF today I believe.
Month early boss, 18 Sept 47.
Mike
USAF Retired
Hey, he’s rocking that cool lapel pin:
David, the more I read about E-8 Tampon Tim, the more I’m inclined to believe that one ARCOM he was awarded was for his time spent in Italy on that one deployment he actually did do, and it was not his retirement award.
Either way, you know his shit is exceptionally weak when his WIKI profile has to list the NDSM just so he would have “three top awards” to his credit. /s/
I was thinking along those same lines. I do not claim to understand how the NG works as far as promotions or awards, but 1 ARCOM in an entire career? Nothing higher? How many times did you wizz in the punchbowl?
In his case, he probably drank it afterwards..
How many decorations should one get for what is basically a part-time job with less actual in-uniform active duty time than a 4 year enlistment? With only 6 months overseas in a country most people consider a vacation destination?
Essentially, he was a fill-in CSM with less actual experience than your average active-duty PFC.
I typed up a couple of battalion certificates of achievement for retirees.
Same thing we issued for “soldier of the month”.
Ouch.
The Minnesota National Guard must be more forgiving than Big Army, or any other active duty branch. In the last 30 years it would be the exception for someone with a DUI being allowed to reenlist, let alone make it a Sergeant Major slot. That being said, back in 1986, the 1st Sergeant for Hack’s brother Rollin Stone would give the weekend safety brief, then report to the Onslow County Jail for his weekends to work off that vehicular homicide sentence.
I suspect that despite overwhelming evidence (.127 BAT) the fact the convixtion was changed to reckless Driving might account for why he was allowed to reenlist.
I watched an 18-1/2 year E-6 go to E-1 and out in five days for a that weekend DUI on a BCD special.
E-5 and down, you got busted to E-1 but a second chance to stay in. E-6 and up, any W or O, and the DUI arrest triggered the BCD special and out-you-go “mister”.
The above former E-6 went to his first court as a civilian. Granted, he didn’t fight it, but that only added a few days. They were using a chainsaw to make a point. Leaders, no excuse.
Some numbskulls still drove drunk. Every cab company for 100 miles would haul your ass on credit back to Fort Stewart. So would most tow companies. Every Staff Duty Officer had cash for cabbies. They had a frikkin pimp roll on holidays. Payment included a tip.
Idiots still got popped for DUI.
And yes, RHIP. There was a sudden rumor that a big shot got popped for DUI in Hinesville. Next thing you know, there was a change of command ceremony for a “retiring” VIP. Hm..
NG, more often than not, makes allowances, and gives passes,
when DUI is off duty, as a civilian,
and presence and performance at drills is not affected.
During my NG years,
I volunteered to be the driver, for a unit NCO in PRISON
to get to weekend drills for 3 months.
He was in prison for being caught speeding,
while on suspended license, for previous DUI.
Judge gave him 90 days,
with allowance to attend NG weekend drills.
The “good ol’ boy” network is alive and well in a lot of state NGs. Which can be a good or bad thing, depending on who you ask.
Met a few dudes out of the Minnesota National Guard.
Good dudes.
My mind keeps going to this.
Ahh, the effect when politics is involved.
Once again,
for no reason other than their own personal politics,
folks all over (now nationally)
turn themselves into willing Phony Defenders,
worse,
for someone they don’t know,
someone they want to believe, and not vote against,
and doubly worse,
with convincing evidence in their faces,
they will put on their political horseblinders.
Probably not the best image to post considering another Walz rumor circulating the interwebz.
Are you suggesting a photo of the other end of the horse?
Kinda…
Tim Walz thinks this song is about anonymous sex.
I heard rumor that Tim Walz has been endorsed by Phil Monkress and All Points Logistics.
Two commanders, in the same company? Formidable!
Phildo is chomping at the bit for more contracts to which he will skim off the top and deliver yet another substandard product.
On my part, I came to the same conclusion, just from his public statements. He is a coward, but he only implied he served combat, except for that “weapons of war” statement. But his excuse would be that he occasionally carried an M-16 in Italy and he was deployed in support of hostilities, so he wasn’t lying. I have a friend who served on a Navy cargo ship during the Viet of the Nam war. He likes to talk about his service in “war,” but his trips to RVN were limited to a couple of drunk afternoons on the beach in Cam Rahn Bay. None of Walz’s representations meet the legal proscriptions of the present Stolen Valor Act.
At least he was in Vietnam.
Yes, he was and has the ribbons, despite his trips off the dock never lasting for more than 12 hours.
Still counts.
By not correcting others who made public statements regarding his wartime service, Timmy committed a major sin of omission. In other words, he perpetuated the lie.
The unit chaplain publically called him a coward. That was a significant hit, at least to me.
So did his former Battalion Commander along with the legit CSM who replaced him.
Yeahhhh it’s not exactly career enhancing when the Chaplain starts throwing bullshit flags.
There is no place Walz would have been carrying an M-16 in Italy.
Hell, we weren’t even allowed to wear uniforms in public in Europe in 2003. Performing shore patrol duty I had to wear civilian clothes and carry my SP armband in my pocket.
Military uniforms scare Europeans now.
Germany…
That was my first thought.
At least in the Marine Corps, staff noncommissioned officers typically carry a sidearm, not an “AR-style” weapon. Sometimes there are exceptions, depending on the MOS.
How does the Army do it? What would the T/E weapon be for an E-8 or E-9?
My experience (Signal) is E8/1SG and E9/SGM carried a rifle, E9/CSM carried a sidearm. YMMV.
My experience (Mechanized M113 Infantry) is E8/1SG and all E9’s (either Staff or Command) all carried sidearms. Even I, as a lowly Battalion or Brigade S-4 NCO, had a Pistola (started with a M1911, later an M9).
As a MSgt, USMC at Bagram AB in 2008-2009, I was armed with an M9, but during or shortly after my tour I think the SNCO T/O weapon changed to the M4.
In 2003 at Camp Victory, I ran into a USMC senior NCO, I believe it was a MSgt, carrying the most pristine M-14 I’ve ever seen. He caught me staring at it, said “she’s a beauty, ain’t she?” I said I didn’t think those were issued anymore. He just smiled and said “They’re not”.
The Marine BLT we carried onboard had the M-14’s and us Squids had M-1 Garands, M-1 Carbines, Thomson Sub guns, BAR’s, Browing 30 cal’s and 50 Cal’s onboard and when we were underway and on the fantail doing small arms Qual’s, the Marines were also asking their Gunny what kind of weapons we were shooting. Forgot the 1911’s we also had. When we arrived on station at the Dominican Republic (1965) the Marines were supposed to go into Santo Domingo and after their ammo was issued, it was cancelled and we had a shitload of munitions out of the cases laying on the fantail deck that were thrown overboard at tax payers expense. Got an empty ammo cartridge box out of the deal though.
2002-2004 armed topside watch standers on the Minesweepers out of Bahrain all carried M-14s.
I still have fond memories of the M-14—it was my first.
Forest,
When I was in the Corps (early 80’s) Staff NCO’S carried a sidearm and M16, at least with the Grunt units (I was with Lima 3/8), but I can’t recall seeing our First Sgt ever carrying a rifle, even while we were in Beirut.
Considering the number of different official TO&Es out there, that would depend on duty slot, type of unit, date of publication, and probably phase of the moon. Not to mention personal preference.
I too carried “weapons of war in war.” Now the weapon was an M-16A2 that never left the range and the war was the Global War on Terror. Technically true is the best true, at least if you’re a politician, right?
I carried an XM-177, precursor to the M-4; and a regular M-16. Later, I carried the other side’s weapon of war, an East German underfolder AK-47 I inherited from the arms room of the 1st Recon Battalion at Camp Reasoner, RVN. So, I guess I truly carried weapons of war in war. Occasionally, I also carried my Op officer’s Swedish K submachine gun, as it was handier in the Huey.
WE BELIEVE YOU, DR. FORD!!!!
It’s his truth.
Rejects our reality and substitutes his own.
He has been lying about his service for years, and all of it was for the benefit of his own advancement in politics. I would say that it qualifies as Stolen Valor; but I’m biased against him, being that he fucked over my state badly during the Covid lock downs, the “mostly peaceful” riots in 2020, and his subsequent bending over and taking it in the ass from the left wing.
Yeah, fuck that guy and politicians like him.
All the lockdown restrictions and mandatory mask-wearing, and politicians would carry on as if the rules didn’t apply for them…attending political events, without masks, and flouting all that nonsense while everyone else was expected to comply.
How about starting a White Feather campaign for Tampon Timmie? He gets thousands of letters with just a White Feather in it, maybe this country will understand just how vets feel about his cowardice.
One of his high school students who went on the trips to China says Walz is a self-avowed Maoist. He says Walz loved to search for and buy Mao’s little red books so he could gift them to his fellow leftist friends. Anyone else wondering what other hijinks he got up to on those 30 trips to Communist China.
My how times have changed. I went into East Berlin back in 1969 for a day; and after we returned to Check Point Charlie, I was subjected to a three-hour interrogation by some US spooks and had to sign a sworn statement.
My favorite part of the trip is when we ditched the little Stasi dork following us around all day. The surveillance was quite obvious. Of course, we were in uniform, so we stuck out like a sore thumb. So, it was rather pointless.
My understanding is he never informed his unit he was making those trips prior to going and never debriefed upon return. Major security risk!
There’s a lot of stuff going on with those in the reserve components that to those on active duty would seem lunacy. You’re not subject to the UCMJ unless on orders (drill weekend included), so there’s really no rules for most of the month.
When I got to reserve drill, I was pulled to the side by the upper command. One of my men was advertising on Craig’s List to participate in sex acts, which involved 782 gear. He proposed wearing his web belt, boots and nothing else. He also said something in the ad about swinging from a chandelier, but it wasn’t clear if the 782 gear would be involved with that. We had to figure out if there was any violation. This may sound far-fetched but I swear it is true.
As long as it’s clean and serviceable at turn-in time…
He better be wearing that reflective safety vest while swinging from the chandelier.
Had a pilot, when I was stationed in California in the 80s, that we couldn’t find his G-suit for its inspection. We double checked everywhere with no luck.
He finally fessed up that it was at home, as his wife loved it when he ran around with nothing on but his G-suit. We aquired a replacement one for him for flight pusposes, and told him we didn’t want to see the other one ever again.
Mike
USAF Retired
Fighter Jock itch.
As soon as you said “had a pilot – in California”,,, I knew it was gonna be good!!!
Had another pilot in Florida. Him and his wife went as John and Lorena Bobbitt to the squadron Halloween party.
He wore a tux with a bloody stump sticking out his fly and she wore a wedding dress carrying a silver platter with a bloodied severed member on it while holding a butcher knife.
Pilots in the Fighter community are a different breed that is for sure…..
Mike
USAF Retired
OK, that’s funny shit right there, I don’t care who you are! However… in today’s military…
Yeah, but you can’t escape the SF86 when declaring foreign country visits for security clearance purposes.
Was going to mention that little fact, if he indeed had a clearance at the time. Or any time after.
So, now he wants to be Vice President, with access to our most highly classified defense plans. The Chicoms will love to see those. And he will be one death away from the presidency.
Those plans are in Biden’s garage, so what’s the big deal?
Yes, indeed, it is.
Peking Duck
Walz came out and said in answer to the critics: he is damn proud to have served his country and worn the uniform.
So, there you have it. For all of you who criticized Walz by claiming he wasn’t proud to have served his country or to have worn the uniform, he put that all to rest.
As the saying goes… and just like that.
Maybe Walz’s claims don’t fit the true definition of stolen valor, but to me, there’s a tiered system where, as you increase in celebrity status and/or prominence, your claims of derring-do become more and more subject to scrutiny. As a virtual nobody, if I’m a few drinks in at a bar and start telling stories of my close encounters in Afghanistan and how I was a Senior Enlisted Advisor (SEA) in my last assignment, they might be dismissed as merely a drunken braggard trying to make his service seem more adventurous and important than it was. I make no such claims, though, and readily admit that my Afghanistan tour was as a Fobbit in S3, with rocket attacks being of little concern, as they were literally hit or miss–in my case, always miss. No need to get worked up over them or act like I was “knee deep in the shit” on a daily basis. The SEA thing came from my SGM’s mouth, as he insisted that we were all SEAs to the COL. Me? I served with that SGM and alongside a MSG, so I considered myself an Enlisted Advisor despite reporting directly to the O6. No “Senior” here. Now, if I’m running for office, or if I become a local celebrity known for my standup comedy routine, and I start playing up the “close calls” and how I was “basically a Sergeant Major” during my last years of service, I’d expect some digging and to be called out for embellishment. I’m not just “fm2176 for Parish President, come see me at Boudreaux’s House of Booze next Friday”, now I’m “War Hero Mcgillicuddy, the most senior Army man to ever run for office in Gator Country”… I tend to ramble, so I’ll make this short. Walz was an E8 MSG, frocked to SGM but who failed to earn that rank permanently. He never deployed to a combat theater and hence never carried a “weapon of war in war”. He’d have been best served by being transparent: “I briefly served as a battalion CSM, retiring as a MSG, and while… Read more »
Sh*t, we got rocketed a bunch at Bagram, but unless I got wounded, got knocked down or the building I was in got hit I wasn’t going to claim a CAB. Dude who got wounded jerkin’ it in the sh*tter during a surpise attack was way more respectable that the folk demanding a CAB because they were 195m (“within 200m” required) from an indirect fire impact.
I was in Koehle DFAC for midnight chow when we got hit by something like 18 back-to-back rockets one night. It was funny watching everyone don their protective gear and curl up under the tables. I was hungry, had to get back to the RC-East JOC, and just put my helmet on and continued eating.
Rockets and other IDF are unpredictable, so I never saw the need to risk dying tired or in a state of panic. Months earlier, at FOB Shank, I’d just casually entered the bunker during a rocket attack when I heard over the radio that a tent had been hit with two KIA. Two 10th Mountain Aviators who’d arrived on Torch for their unit only a day or two earlier had been sleeping and never felt it. Days before I moved to Bagram, a bus stop had been hit, killing four young Soldiers. Being self-absorbed and emotionless like many of us become over time, I was upset by the inconvenience of having to wear full-battle rattle on my daily walk from Infantry Village to the JOC for my 12-hour shift. Fortunately, I got a room inside the JOC compound as well as a General’s Mess pass within a few weeks. “POG” Infantry is gonna POG Infantry it up (all due respect to those who keep us in the fight, POG just means you were smarter when you signed the contract)!
This POG takes no offense.
Koehle DFAC spaghetti night (Tuesday) always gave us the sh*ts– Bagram kept ya regular, ya betchta! Command DFAC mongolian BBQ night (monday) was the best though.
Salsa Night (Tuesdays, after Spaghetti night) at Koehle DFAC was where all the trouble happened: Drinkin’, Zoloft abuse, fights, etc– party time! (We had to plus-up the MPs dealing with that after they’d supported us wrangling VVIPs all day.)
The yakisoba at Manas was spot on. Army stuff, of course, but I found the recipe online (L06200.pdf (army.mil)) and have tried emulating it a few times. I have ground beef in the freezer and might just make some this week.
I stayed out of Koehle DFAC for the most part a, mostly going there for midnight chow and watching the George Zimmerman proceedings and early BLM nonsense.
If anything, I miss the omelet/scrambled egg breakfasts at almost any given DFAC. The Vanguard (later Spartan) DFAC on Stewart also did some excellent (eggsellent?, couldn’t help myself) scrambler bowls.
I am a believer in the concept of “noblesse oblige”—the higher the rank, the more responsibility to at least pretend you have some concept of honor and other qualities attributed to nobility.
A congressional junket hardly qualifies as having orders to Afghanistan. He could have just stayed home and admired himself in his mirror instead of hobnobbing around with a bunch of other vacationers on a frolic.
Tiny Tim should show us a copy of his orders or a transcript of his being deployed, something, anything, that shows he was “in country” and in uniform.
I wonder if they got a month tax exempt pay for those visits.
Per Diem
When I was there, Pols and Generals typically visited at the end of the month with their visits ending a day or two after the start of the next month which could net them TWO tax-free months.
Along with their entourage
Life at Bagram…
Or maybe a paystub showing combat pay?
Laura Ingraham spent more time there than Tampon Tim.
I agree that his level of stolen valor was not the most egregious form, but there are several “bottom lines” here as far as I am concerned:
1 – If JD Vance did something like this in any form or fashion, the left-wing Demorats would be on him like stink on farts.
2 – Tampon Timmie knowingly made these statements and wore the SF cover (yeah you army types, it’s a cover not a hat) and he never attempted to correct anyone when they mentioned his record so he wanted everyone to think and or believe what he was insinuating was true.
3 – He IS trying to benefit in some way by making these false claims or he would not have made them in the first place or would have corrected anyone repeating them.
And finally, 4 – None of it matters anyway because the crooked media will gloss over all of this and the Demorats will cheat in the election and win regardless.
“1 – If JD Vance did something like this in any form or fashion, the left-wing Demorats would be on him like stink on farts.”
And so would we.
SFC D, Yes, that’s true because this site is fair and impartial. The left? Not so much.
Does a ball cap still count as a cover? If it were a soft cap or a beret, sure (and we do use the term “cover” in the army), but a non-issue piece of civilian clothing?
(Duffleblog-Satire) Walz faces court martial for “veteraning while Democrat”
https://www.duffelblog.com/p/walz-faces-court-martial-for-veteraning
It’s getting worse for A-Wolz!
Even the scrutiny of Walz’ National Guard service, first in Nebraska and then Minnesota, has moved beyond his multiple instances of Stolen Valor. Walz served in the National Guard from 1981 to 2005, when he retired early to dodge going to Iraq. But this time frame was also marked not only by multiple trips to China, but living and traveling throughout the country for a year in 1989. This dovetailed with his National Guard service, as the Free Beacon documents.
This makes Walz’ Stolen Valor even worse. Walz was literally being paid by a foreign country while supposedly serving and being paid by the United States military. This is highly questionable, and if he failed to be debriefed, could portend something even worse.
https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2024/08/19/tim-walz-china-connections-raise-more-concern-and-investigation-n2178264
He’s a traitorous shitbag, it’s no wonder that he was picked by the dims, he’s everything they revere..
He apparently wasn’t shy about his trips to China or the gifts they gave him, so…
I’m starting to wonder if he and Harris have a LOT more in common than we think. Like, for instance, blowing their way to the top. Just for instance.
Well, it depends. Did A-Walz work for a horse?
Tim Walz is involved in a long term stable relationship.
I note he only shakes his wife’s hand.
Any veteran that could vote for this fuckstick or the ticket he’s on should have their DD-214 tightly rolled and stuffed up their ass.
And lit on fire…
It’s like the old saying…
“If you build a man a fire, you keep him warm for the night,
But if you set a man on fire, you keep him warm for the rest of his life.”
Or something like that.
Walz has no balls to eat, so let him eat a bag ‘o dicks.
Sparks,
Bag Of Dicks (dot com) still out there,
with an assortment of choices….
https://bagofdicks.com/
Eric Holder don’t care, cusses:
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1826108021186969644?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1826108021186969644%7Ctwgr%5E05558c478608f8c89fbeeabdfa7d446464a7925c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2024%2F08%2Ff-you-youre-fool-eric-holder-melts-down%2F
Arizona should offer a reward for the arrest and conviction of Eric Holder for his part in the murder of Brian Terry.
Just finished reading the letter (as reported by POLITICO) that the 50 GOP Congressional military veterans sent to Tampon Timmy in response to the letter from the 18 DEM reps that stood up and sock-puppeted their support for him.
Hope one of the Ninjas on here will ferret to out and provide a link (or publish the letter in its entirety), as the content of the letter and what all fifty of them think about Walz’s stolen valor is pretty straightforward in nature.
Here you go, Claw…as requested, here is the link to the POLOTICO article you mentioned.
The letter is in the article. Was unable to cut and paste since it is a PDF.
“GOP Military Veteran Lawmakers Sign Letter Denouncing Walz”
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/21/republicans-congress-tim-walz-military-service-00175282
“Fifty Republican members of Congress, all military veterans, have signed on to a letter to Gov. Tim Walz, condemning the Democratic vice presidential nominee for “egregious misrepresentations” of his military service and calling on him to “come clean.”
“The letter, shared by POLITICO, is signed by members of the House and Senate across the spectrum of Republicans, including longtime die-hard supporters of former President Donald Trump and more moderate members from competitive House districts. It follows a statement signed Friday by 18 Democratic military veteran members of Congress defending Walz from attacks on his record.”
“You have stated that you are ‘damn proud’ of your service, and like any American veteran, you should be,” the Republican members of Congress wrote, on a document with Trump-Vance campaign letterhead. “But there is no honor in lying about the nature of your service.”
“Sens. Joni Ernst of Iowa, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Rick Scott of Florida and Roger Wicker of Mississippi signed the letter, and from the House, topping the list of signatures was Rep. Brian Mast of Florida, who lost his legs while serving in Afghanistan.”
“The list of House Republican veterans who signed the letter ranged from Rep. Don Bacon of Nebraska to Rep. Ryan Zinke of Montana, and included dozens of names in between.”
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“You have violated the trust of our brothers and sisters in arms,” the Congress members wrote. “Their blood, sweat, and sacrifice are the only reason our nation is able to exist. Until you admit you lied to them, there is no way you can be trusted to serve as Vice President.”
“In response to a request for comment, a spokesperson for Walz noted the recent statement from Democratic members of Congress supporting Walz as a “steadfast advocate for veterans and military families,” as well as an open letter released by the campaign last week featuring signatures of 1,000 military veterans.”
“It follows a statement signed Friday by 18 Democratic military veteran members of Congress defending Walz from attacks on his record.”
That’s a list I’d love to see. I stand by my previous comment about any veteran that supports this lying sack of shit.
I’ve been looking and looking all morning for that statement myself. No luck yet.
Hell, this may even turn into a 1st SEAC defending Killam kind of a blog before it’s all over. /s/
Claw, our Beloved Supply Daddy, commented:
“Hell, this may even turn into a 1st SEAC defending Killam kind of a blog before it’s all over. /s/”
What a GREAT Memory! Looking back, am now wondering if Joe Gainey was REALLY Mike Killer Killam!
😆
Ah, Yes, Fighting Joe Gainey, the three awards of the NDSM embellisher and who got a V device added onto his Bronze Star because he stood in for 20 minutes as the front gate guard to III Corps HQ’s while the on-duty sentinel caught some noon chow. /s/
🫡😎👍
Thank You, ninja. That’s the letter I was talking about.
You are so welcome, Claw!
It is many times better to get the woman that knows what’s going on for the job, instead of the “man in charge” 😉
We do have THE best ninja…EVAH!
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Explaining Claims About Tim Walz’s Military Service
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/us/politics/tim-walz-military-service.html?searchResultPosition=1
(Behind a pay wall, but it mentions the Stolen Valor community including Military Phony.)
We were able to open the New York Times article with success without paying for anything.
Article is too long to cut and paste. Here are some excerpts from the article to include the names of the 4 Veterans mentioned in the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/us/politics/tim-walz-military-service.html
“Explaining Claims About Tim Walz’s Military Service”
“Four veterans who investigate claims of fraudulent military service said they do not believe the governor is guilty of “stolen valor,” but that he did misrepresent his record at times.”
“The New York Times interviewed four veterans who specialize in investigating cases of deception about service and who have collectively documented thousands of cases of stolen valor throughout decades of research.”
“All four said that they do not believe Mr. Walz engaged in stolen valor, but that he did misrepresent his record at times or, at the very least, has not always been precise. In comparison, the investigators gave actual examples of stolen valor, such as politicians repeatedly and falsely claiming to have served in wars they had not or earning medals they had not.”
“Doug Sterner, a military historian widely considered to be a leading researcher of military service claims and who helped draft the Stolen Valor Act, called the criticisms of Mr. Walz “politically motivated” and unfair, though he agreed that Mr. Walz had misrepresented elements of his service.”
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“Anthony Anderson, a retired Army sergeant who runs the website Guardian of Valor, which chronicles false claims of military service or awards, noted that Mr. Walz’s story “is something I wouldn’t even put on my website.” Given that Mr. Walz has misspoken and fails to correct the record at times, there is reason to believe that “he is definitely embellishing his record to gain points with the voters,” Mr. Anderson said.”
“But he added, “I wouldn’t consider that stolen valor.”
“Additionally, critics have cited Mr. Walz repeatedly wearing a baseball cap of a regiment he did not belong to. The cap bearing the insignia of the 1st Special Forces Group was a gift to Mr. Walz during a 2008 congressional visit to Afghanistan, the Harris campaign said.”
“The Times found no evidence that Mr. Walz has claimed to be a member of the Special Forces. Neither has Kevin Knapp, a retired Special Forces major who operates Guardians of the Green Beret, a website that looks at claims about serving in the Special Forces.”
“Mr. Knapp said that while he questioned Mr. Walz’s decision to continue wearing the gift and that he personally would never wear insignia that he did not earn, he considered the cap a “nonissue” and not an example of stolen valor.”
“A lot of people we get contacted about, there’s photographic evidence, tattoos or conversations of ‘I was a Green Beret and I was behind the lines and I did all of this,’ and they never did,” Mr. Knapp said, adding that a trail of misrepresentation did not exist in Mr. Walz’s case.”
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“Mr. Walz repeatedly referred to himself as a retired command sergeant major — the highest rank possible for enlisted soldiers — throughout his political career.”
“The Minnesota National Guard said that Mr. Walz was promoted to sergeant major on Sept. 17, 2004, and was appointed command sergeant major on April 1, 2005. He retired on May 16, 2005, but was “administratively reduced” to master sergeant a day earlier.”
“It is not clear when Mr. Walz was officially informed of this change, the spokeswoman said. But paperwork obtained by Mr. Anderson of Guardian of Valor suggested that his rank was corrected in September 2005, after he had retired.”
“Most stolen valor investigators reached by The Times said Mr. Walz’s repeated citations of a higher rank were perhaps the most pernicious of his past remarks.”
“That was a choice, an intentional choice that was not a misspoken comment in the excitement of the moment,” Mr. Knapp said.”
“Jeff, a retired Navy corpsman who researches for the website Military Phonies and asked to be identified only by his first name for fear of retribution, said the “retired command sergeant major” references especially stands out because service members are typically aware of the requirements to attain a rank. Mr. Walz, he added, chose to not complete his coursework.”
“While Mr. Sterner agreed that Mr. Walz had been inaccurate in describing his rank, he suggested that aspects of service, including rank and recognition, can shift after service. He noted he knew of at least a dozen veterans who continued to wear the Silver Star or Distinguished Service Cross decades after their awards were upgraded to the Medal of Honor, adding, “Are you going to go after them?”
“Mr. Sterner likened Mr. Walz to “a fisherman that caught a 21-pound fish that everybody said, ‘No, it was 20 pounds.’ Maybe it lost a pound between the time he caught it and when he got to the weigh station.”
Thank you, ninja! Information wants to be free!
Mistake my dimpled ass. He knew the CSM rank was untrue, but MULTIPLE times either in campaign material or from his own pie hole: “Highest enlisted rank to serve in Congress”. That may seem like toe-mato ta-mato to some people, but if JDV promoted himself to Sergeant, the Legacy Media Hyenas would be pounding on that 24/7/365 and we all know it. The whole fish story above is just a fucking excuse that ONLY applies to Dems. Another bullshit theory is the Silver Star being upgraded to MoH being a problem. As for wearing the lower, original award then upgraded award, I’d say is a personal and perhaps a humble choice. Better than wearing something you didn’t earn and knowing. Like the people that say they’re college grads but aren’t. You know you graduated or not. You have to apply for graduation, and the college will audit classwork and requirements and let you know.
When Tampon Tim said he was the “Highest enlisted rank to serve in Congress”, even that was another of his lies.
Because REP Tony Gonzales (TX-23) was in the Navy from 1999-2019 and retired as a for real MCPO.
He is a blatant liar. Any Senior NCO knows the requirement for how long it takes to make your rank permanent (Navy regs is two years). He knew he would be reverted back to MSG and retired as such. Seems he was hoping an admin snafu would not catch it and he could keep the rank.
Also, if he knew he was going to retire, the honorable thing to do would be withdraw himself from consideration for promotion. That way the billet would not be tied up by a short-timer in an important leadership billet with a deployable unit.
Bottom line: All actions of a scumbag. No wonder he is a democrat.
Screaming MeMe
MeMeMeMeMeMe!
Yes, I couldn’t walk with my class cuz I was short three credits. I got five more in Summer quarter and graduated the end of August. Ten days later, I began my real education at the Benning School for Wayward Boyz. Our finishing class was at Ranger Camp, Field 7, Eglin AFB. RA, all the way. RLTW
“He noted he knew of at least a dozen veterans who continued to wear the Silver Star or Distinguished Service Cross decades after their awards were upgraded to the Medal of Honor, adding, “Are you going to go after them?” ”
I call BS on that one.
Go after them for what–stolen dishonor?
You can’t spell ‘timid’ without ‘tim.’
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Commode Sergeant Minor
Fifty (50) GOP lawmakers who’re veterans sign letter condemning Walz for BS-in’ about his service:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-military-veteran-lawmakers-sign-100000282.html
And in reply to that letter, the DEMS are now telling everyone to disregard it because one of the 50 signatories (Ronny Jackson TX-13) is embellishing his retired rank just the same as Tampon Tim is. They say that he, in reality, is just a Retired Navy Captain, not the Retired Rear Admiral that is shown on the letter.
So, it’s coming down to “He Said, But They Said” and “What’s good for the goose is as good for the gander” shouting match over the back fence kind of a deal.
Stay tuned for more fun and games. /s/
Timmy’s claim of Command Sergeant Major continuously, including at the DNC convention, reminds me of the claims of a friend of mine who I caught asserting he was a former Special Forces Officer on his CV, when all he did was complete the mail-in Special Forces Correspondence Course. One received the SF MOS, a 3 prefix on one’s officer MOS, only upon completion of the field work on TAD at Ft. Bragg. He admitted his embellishment to me and promised to refrain from making that claim, but I suspect it wasn’t the last time he made the claim.
I suppose I could put a Bullwinkle badge in my “love me” box, given all the airmobile operations I ran in the Viet of the Nam; but I won’t because I never took the training course required for the award and received the award. I do have three Air Medals, though.
C’mon, you could follow the example of a former TAH commenter who claimed one because he was once in the 101st. We trust you…
Too easy-peasy to get. I got my experience the hard way–OJT. Though, we did have Huey training at the Infantry Officers Vietnam Orientation Course at Benning. But no badges. You have to think on your feet when it’s time to organize your company into lift chalks and you get a 20-minute warning that the birds are enroute after to locate an LZ. Especially since the number of men you have in the bush with you is constantly changing.
That badge was one of my principal criticisms of the radio wrencher pretending he was an amateur sky warrior cuz he did his bunker guard duty.
“20-minute warning that the birds are enroute after to locate an LZ.”
Aye, there’s the rub.
My company did a surprise night extraction once. Interesting. And educational. Fortunately, the destination was in “friendly” territory, LZ Betty.
I did get some airmobile training in Germany, on CH-34s. Certainly makes you appreciate those nice big doors on the Hueys. Did have my doubts about the practicality, though, considering the number of 12.7mm and 14.5mm machine guns (not to mention run-of-the-mill 7.62mm weapons) in the Soviet armamentarium.
I did a night insertion with two LRRP teams as a reaction force. Not fun.
“mail-in Special Forces Correspondence Course.”
Are you shitting us?
“Special” forces, indeed.
Multiple choice test questions, I suppose.
Then again, the Army NG does have two SF groups, 19 & 20, so I guess all things are possible.
It was a thing back in the days when the AD SF course for officers was only 12 weeks. Now, the qualification course for officers is six months. At the time my friend took it, he was stationed in Germany.