Ahh, the butthurt…

| February 13, 2024

Seems VW ran an ad talking about the brand’s history in the US, starting its chronology in 1949. Appropriate, given that the first Beetle (that’s a Type 1 to the cognoscenti) was imported to the US in  – wait for it – 1949.

Now, I am not sure if there is anyone even vaguely aware of Beetles who doesn’t know that they were originally designed by Ferdinand Porsche, a fairly influential fella in the history of car design, or that this design took place under the auspices of the German government as a “people’s car.”  I am sure that the same sort of people who think meat in the supermarket jest growed there and that the idea of  veggies actually growing in – gasp – DIRT may think this a horrible fact to discover, and there are more of those folks than we can count.

During the Second World War, the company switched to producing vehicles for the German army and used thousands of slave labourers from concentration camps.

After the war, it began producing again under British Army occupation. The company’s Type 1 – later renamed the Beetle – went on to become the world’s best-selling car in the 1970s.

“Watching VW try and pretend their cars weren’t originally designed as family vehicles for Hitler’s vision for the German family, all the while playing Neil Diamond, who is Jewish, is the most surreal things [sic] I’ve seen in years,” one user on posted on Twitter.

Another wrote: “What a weird marketing tactic for #Volkswagen to take in their #SuperBowl2024 commercial. Why would you focus on the history of VW when only about a decade before the commercial’s timeline starts (1949), VW was founded by the Nazis and used forced labour from concentration camps??”

Pull in tight on the outrage for Posche, Krupp, the cities of Essen and Wolfsburg, the US rocket program, the entire countries of Japan, Italy…nope? Geez, people, that was 80 years ago.  Now, I could see it if someone with skin in the game, like a WWII vet, never bought a Japanese or German car – I’ve actually known a lot of them. But spoiled Gen Zers who  not only know nothing of history, but look on Desert Shield/Storm as ancient history and before October 7 couldn’t even spell Holocaust?

Smacks a bit of disengenuity to me.

It’s tempting to speak of hypocrisy – buy your Prius from Japan, drive a Mitsubishi, drive an electric car with Chinese technology, complain on your Chinese made laptop. But it’s raw ignorance, at best, and divisive malice in most cases. The only thing that is vaguely amusing about it is that these people spend so much time and energy trying to find something to be outraged and offended BY.

Beetles? Really?

Category: "Teh Stoopid", WWII

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A Proud Infidel®™

More snowflakes who work to find something to be “offended” about, I have a sibling who is that way, she has a Masters Degree and STILL has crisis after crisis to bawl about and mooch off our parents!

Fyrfighter

API, are we related? I have EXACTLY the same situation. she signs everything “master debbie dipshit”.. we generally refer to her as “the master” in the most sarcastic tone possible, or with her support for burn, loot murder and pantifa, “the terrorist” is common too.

President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neande

Have you watched any Dr Who episodes with “The Master”? Are you sure she isn’t?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_(Doctor_Who)

Fyrfighter

Could be… she’s evil to the core.. and I’m actually surprised she hasn’t shown up on libs of tik-tok, she would very much fit in there..

Odie

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=swuXiAiZrdA&pp=ygUccG9yc2NoZSBwb3dlcmVkIGthcm1hbm4gZ2hpYQ%3D%3D

This could be fun. 300 kph comes out to 180ish mph. Talk about a sleeper.

Steve1371

Love that German engineering. VW has an assembling plant in Tn. I believe. I had a warn out and rusty beetle in the early 70s and worked for a Highway dept.. I would pre heat the thing with a propane torch while I had my coffee before heading out to plow snow. You had to be doing 50 or so to get any heat out of that thing but it would go just about anywhere.

rgr769

I purchased a new 1969 beetle in Germany in 1969 for only $1350 out the door. Spent $105 to have it shipped to New Jersey. Sold it to my college room mate for $1500 just before my trip to the Viet of the Nam. Great car with zero problems. I put about 8K miles on it in Germany and the US.

Roh-Dog

MF!
That works out to $11,695.59 in today’s dollars. (if you believe BLS)

Yeah, you had to maintain it more often (wires, plugs, etc and the thing took unicorn tears for lube, got 25 mpg… but you could work on the thing yourself.
The idea a cheap car today is $17k because {checks notes} touch screens and air bags?
It’s BMFS.

I had this talk with the wife last night that this country couldn’t even produce a model T today and I stand by that. When I say “couldn’t” I mean they could not even make it marketable, let alone actually manufacture one with skilled labor.

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MIRanger

The theme of the story made it sound like it was a one off R/S Karmann Ghia, but it is really a Porsche 911 (919) with a Karmann Ghia body. Great that he took the time to engineer it to drive like the Porsche though and not the VW, or just cramming a motor in there.

My taste go to something a little more like this though:
https://www.motortrend.com/features/ls3-swapped-1958-corvette-was-built-for-sema/

Odie

That’s my taste as well but I can appreciate the hot rod ingenuity. At least it isn’t exhaling through a coffee can exhaust

HT3

I have no issues with the companies that supplied our Axis enemies during the War. The ones that survived in Japan & West Germany (remember that name?) became our best allies during the Cold War. My grandfather wouldn’t drive a Toyota because he fought the “Nips” in the South Pacific, and I get it. That’s a personal choice, but he did get Camry (that I now have) after learning they were assembled in Kentucky…and he got a great deal. That was then.

sarasnipe

Ford had manufacturing facilities in Germany during ww2.

2banana

Called the “People’s Car” or “Hitler’s Car” and built pre WWII in Germany (1938). A marvel of innovative engineering at the time and affordable. Was still produced in Mexico up until the 1980s.

Anonymous

Yup, Adolf and crew…
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5JC

Unpossible. Only socialists would make a car called “the People’s car”, and as socialists love to tell us, fascist can’t be socialist. Or something like that.

Deckie

I worked on a Japanese-built ship from the 1970s. I could have whined about how they committed atrocities in China and abused POWs… but I didn’t. Hell, some of those soldiers who did the abusing could have designed and assembled the engines and auxiliary systems I was using!

The war was over. We must never forget the lessons and hardships, but we have to move past it. Do you think if the allies lost the war the Germans/Japanese would have enjoyed driving a car made by Ford or General Motors, knowing they had also built the bombers and tanks that leveled their cities?

(For the record, the Japanese machinery was some of the finest quality and easiest to use I have ever seen in my career. They built that shit to last and for any idiot to be able to master — even THIS one.)

sarasnipe

I had a Metallurgy Professor WW2 Navy vet who didn’t care for “Japs”, and worked in the auto industry for most of his life. He did give them credit for forcing US auto industry to change their ways regarding quality of products. Last time I saw him, he was driving a Camry. He said he didn’t like it, but it was a well built car for the money. RIP Charley

akpual

You do have to admit it is fun to tweak lefties about their car when they complain about the way things were in this country 200 years ago. It drives them nuts.

Anonymous

Great fun having them explain the Thing (Kubelwagen) that made use of the Bug chassis in the war:

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Anonymous

…and its amphibious version, too:

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ninja

Well?

“Lol Hey Guys’ – Biden Joins TikTok Despite Security Concerns”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68275634

“President Joe Biden’s campaign has joined TikTok, despite the app being banned on most US government devices over security concerns.”

🙄🤔

Odie

FJB.

5JC

Well he can’t store his secret documents in the garage anymore so he has to store them somewhere. A TikTok server is just as good as anywhere, just ask Hillary Clinton.

Forest Bondurant

FJB is old and is easily confused, and recently avoided having charges against him for unauthorized possession and safekeeping of classified documents.

He has good intentions though, so everything is okay.

5JC

If by “everything”, You mean “Hunter biden’s bank account” then yes.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Don’t even get me started on Coco Chanel….

AW1Ed

Obligatory.

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26Limabeans

Yep, and I’ll bet the engine would still be running providing
thrust thru the exhaust. Amphicar got nothing on the Beetle.

Skivvy Stacker

That’s just evil, tasteless, and insulting to the memory of Ted.
I LOVE IT!!!

Odie

Nicely played.

Odie

Since it floats, does that make it a witch?

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

No, silly. That means that it’s made of wooden ducks

SFC D

“Watching VW try and pretend their cars weren’t originally designed as family vehicles for Hitler’s vision for the German family, all the while playing Neil Diamond, who is Jewish, is the most surreal things [sic] I’ve seen in years,”

That’s very interesting. And that’s all it is. Don’t overthink it.

SFC D

Next thing they’ll bitch about is the Interstate Highway System, modeled after the… gasp… autobahn… created by… OMG… Hitler!

Anna Puma

Don’t give those 15 minute city yo-yos any ideas.

Odie

If only our roads would support autobahn speeds.

Eggs

I don’t think many of the roads around southern AZ can support ox cart speeds. Pot hole (crater) season is here!

Anonymous

Out here in OK, the highway speed limit’s now 85 or 142 klicks per hour– Autobahn’s suggested speed (over which your insurance might not pay if you wreck) was 130 kph (78 mph).

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Odie

85? Is that all OK interstate highways or just the turnpike. I bet the surrounding states love seeing people coming out of Oklahoma and forgetting to reduce their speed.

Anonymous

Most of I-44 between Lawton and OKC– the “rural” highway/turnpike thing– I know that.

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5JC

They do. The problem is our drivers training program. It takes 6 months of classes to get a starter license in Germany.

They also have a different risk-reward system. If you drive without a license you’re going to jail. If you drive drunk you’re going to jail. If you run a red light you’re getting a ticket because they have cameras everywhere. If you speed you’re getting a ticket, same reason. They don’t care if you were driving but they’ll get a good picture of you anyway. If you drive a car without insurance and you get in a wreck, you are going to jail. If you see a traffic accident and failed to stop to help the person in the accident, you are going to jail, even if you weren’t even in the accident. If you were in the accident you’re going to jail for a long time.

Cuz the risk reward system is so weighted heavily negative, driver deaths per mile are a fraction of what they are in the US. You also don’t see all the stupid stuff that we do in the United States like ride in the left lane, speed through construction zones, weaving in and out of traffic and even high speed pursuits are a rare thing. Because if you run at some point, there will be a roadblock. The people at the roadblock will be armed with machine guns. If you try to run past them they will kill you. Even if you are black. There will be zero protests. There may even be cheers.

So the roads are fine but the people are awful drivers.

26Limabeans

I rode the Autobahn on a 1969 BSA Victor Special
while stationed in Germany. When I got orders for
Viet of the Nam along with three other guys we had to
deliver our POV’s to Antwerp for shipping stateside.
It was two VW’s, one a coupe the other a beetle and
me on the BSA traveling from Lohnsfeld to Antwerp in
a pouring rainstorm.
Never, ever, never hang out in the passing lane.
The passing lane is for 100 mph minimum.
If only American drivers would learn this unwritten law.

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SFC D

It IS the law in Arizona, I’ve never actually seen it enforced.

rgr769

My VeeDub shipped from Bremerhaven.

26Limabeans

Flew down to Port Elizabeth from Boston
while on leave and rode it back in a snow
storm by getting behind trucks with a nice
warm wake. Put it my moms cellar and it
was there when I came home from the
Viet of the Nam.

rgr769

I couldn’t do that with my VW. My little brother had his eye on it; he planned on driving it for the entirety of my tour; likely would have put over 10K on it, if it remained in one piece. So, I sold it.

Forest Bondurant
Odie

A…B…C…Dui

rgr769

I used to cruise at about 90 mph on the autobahn in my 68 XKE. I constantly had to move to the right lane for the big Merc sedans doin about 200 kph (120 mph).

Anonymous

Yup, exceed posted speed limit and your insurance might not pay off, too.

SFC D

Driving in the left lane is only allowed IF you are passing, you then get your ass back in the right lane. Very expensive ticket.

Anonymous

Plus, if the German police catch you driving drunk, “Rodney King” may get used as a verb:
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5JC

In my state riding in the left lane on the interstate is illegal. But like many things in the United States, having a law against it doesn’t make anyone stop doing it.

A Proud Infidel®™

IMHO a Law isn’t even worth the paper and ink required to write it unless the damned thing is enforced!!!

sarasnipe

Don’t even think about passing on the right.

SFC D

It’d sure keep Darwin employed. American drivers ain’t ready for that.

Anonymous

Germans would get the hell outta the way with me going 100+ mph when they saw the USA mil plates– The fool doesn’t know how to drive that fast! Had one of these (slightly larger than Americans consider “mid-size” w/ lots horsepower):
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timactual

The roads do, it’s the drivers we need to worry about.

UpNorth

If only our drivers could drive at autobahn speeds! If there’s rain on the road, or, Heaven forbid, snow, most of the drivers around here end up off the road, or in the back seat of the car in front of them.

rgr769

That clearly proves our interstate highway system is not only racist, but also NAZI and fascist.

Cobrakai99

My issue with the commercial is that it was supposed to be for their new ugly electric car. The car you only see in the last 7 seconds of the commercial. The one that the add guys thought was so ugly they probably shouldn’t show it in the commercial.

Anna Puma

All that VW ad showed to me was how far the company has strayed from the original vision of Dr. Ing Ferdinand Porsche and of Heinz Nordoff who perfected the vehicle – an affordable and reliable vehicle that could be maintained by the owner.

Speaking of 1949 and Volkswagen, the company had just had a bit of a profit. And naturally some were clamoring for a pay raise but the company was still in perilous shape.

So Heinz Nordoff had this to say to his employees: “If we kill the cow on whose milk we want to live later, just because it has fattened up a little – as we are advised to do by those who want to make people happy – then we shall have no future, we shall go to the dogs, and our grandchildren will curse us because we did not think of them.”

That call for a pay raise was defeated and Volkswagen continued to rebuild and become a manufacturing giant.

Oh yeah in 1949, VW sold exactly two Type 1 Beetles in the US.

5JC

It was rough sledding after the war. It really wasn’t until the late ’60s and early ’70s that you could buy a Japanese or German car and not get disparaging looks from the neighbors. After the fuel crunch in the 1970 s everybody started buying Japanese cars.

KoB

Who wouldn’t want to have a frame off restored Classic Beetle… a top of the line in dash CD thumping thru some Rockford Fosgate the Greatest Hits of Neil Diamond…with Sweet Caroline on a Hot August Night…on the way to Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show. Holly herself would think that would be Holy.

Mike Wolf…drools! (IYKYK)

jeff LPH 3 63-66

Does anyone remember back in the 1950’s the large key with the suction cup that attatched to the rear of the beetle and clicked when the key was turned. One of the MM’s down in the engine room put one on the main engine and when the Chief Engineer came down the hole and saw it, one of the guys says to the Chief, that’s the key to the main engine. Goddamit says the Chief.

rgr1480

I don’t believe that you didn’t use this image!!!

HitlerVW
rgr1480

Or this one:

Hitler-In_VW
Atlanticcoast63

…And a bit of trivia – not a single German civilian ever laid hands on a VW. Millions of Reichsmarks were laid down for deposits, but the money instead went to pay for other military spending. What cars were built went straight into military or Nazi party use.

rgr769

Yep, the People’s Car just turned into another grift for Nazi party insiders. All these totalitarians couldn’t care less about the peasants.

A Proud Infidel®™

Much like today’s D-rats and RINOS!!!

rgr769

Exactly!

Anna Puma

About 20 years after the war that case finally wound down in the German legal system. Basically anyone who cold prove they paid in full for KdF Wagen got a discount on a new Beetle.

5JC

Sort of. If one could afford the car directly they could buy one. Most couldn’t so they came up with a scheme. Lots of dark history of socialism here:

https://www.thecollector.com/volkswagen-beetle-nazi-germany/

Anonymous

Herman Goering and his homies going out for a spin:
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A Proud Infidel®™

Hey, a decked-out druggie in a VW convertible!

Anonymous

Indeed!

Atlanticcoast63

“…Get in, loser, we’re going blitzkrieging!”

FuzeVT

Looks like that guy in mid-frame fell asleep in the sun.

Eggs

Afrika Korps?

Fyrfighter

I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that the seagull hasn’t arrived to inform all of you VW supporters that you are LITERALLY Nazi’s…

Odie

He hasn’t received his talking points yet.

Green Thumb

Little confused here.

Who is butthurt?

I do not see a larger article connected or linked…

KoB

From the block in the article. Posted on X…

“Watching VW try and pretend their cars weren’t originally designed as family vehicles for Hitler’s vision for the German family, all the while playing Neil Diamond, who is Jewish, is the most surreal things [sic] I’ve seen in years,” one user on posted on Twitter.
Another wrote: “What a weird marketing tactic for #Volkswagen to take in their #SuperBowl2024 commercial. Why would you focus on the history of VW when only about a decade before the commercial’s timeline starts (1949), VW was founded by the Nazis and used forced labour from concentration camps??”

Green Thumb

Gotcha.

Appreciate the clarification.

Hack Stone

If you want reparations for slavery, how about Nike and the NBA compensating the people currently being forced to make Jerseys and sneakers that sell for $600 to stupid Americans?

SFC D

No no no, it’s only slavery if white American men do it. The Chinese are merely helping their poor, disadvantaged Uyghur brethren a hand up.

RGR 4-78

Back in the 80/90’s I had a side gig as a mechanic, the owner specialized in foreign vehicles. Pulled a lot of VW engines/transaxles, a few Porche.

I helped one of the guys I worked with “pop the top” on a VW. When we were done it was the floor pan seats and motor/transaxle. We cut 32″ out of the middle of it, welded it back together and started welding a rail frame around it. We put a late model VW bus transaxle in it. That short bitch would scoot and there was nowhere you couldn’t take it.

BLUFF
If you don’t know how to work on a VW rail, you are going to spend a lot of money with someone who does.

SFC D

I remember a couple of local farmboys doing something similar, they shortened the pan a couple of feet and welded it back together, wheelbase was roughly equal to the width. Built a roll cage on it, added some lights, one stubby little go-kart. I was in 4th grade, thought it was awesome.

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RGR 4-78

That is basically what we did.

When you went to take off, don’t give it too much gas, the front wheels would wheely very easily. We did take some of that out of it by giving it a robust “pusher” front bumper.

The pusher bumper was necessary since you never knew when someone’s rail would quit in the middle of the woods. I had to drive one guys rail out with a flat front tire and a burnt-up clutch plate. Drive might be an over statement, more like steer like a mad man while the crazy fuck behind pushed very quickly through the trees. Fooking dirt track drivers be nuts.

Berliner

Not a VW Bug but in 1983, fresh from Retention NCO school, I PCS’d to 3ID in Schweinfurt Germany. I bought a US spec 72 VW Westfalia Camper van (3 speed stick) from an officer PCS’ing back to the US for $300 (body had some rust and refrigerator didn’t work). Drove it to Grafenwoehr every time the battalion I supported deployed there for training and had authorization to transport troops and their weapons when I brought their mail down on the weekends.

Drove it for 3 years and sold it for $400. To this day I wish I would have shipped that VW when I came back to the US.

JustALurkinAround

I admire the professionally aggrieved for their reasoned and calm judgement.

A Proud Infidel®™

Wisdom has chased each and every one of them all their lives, they have successfully dodged and avoided it at every opportunity.

Army-Air Force Guy

What? Vegetables are grown in dirt? Ewwwww! Gross!

11B-Mailclerk

Butthurt for Donks:

Mayorkas impeached!

Vote was 214-213.

Odie

How long before he is outside looking in saying I used to work there.

Clinton impeached but kept his job. It’s all window dressing that will lead to nothing.

FJB may double down on his craziness, if that’s even possible.

Skivvy Stacker

Aww, man…today’s hippies don’t knoe…man…like,,,,,how groovy it was to be…like..y’know…Right? On a trip with Captain Trips…in a VW Van. Or b….Beetle, or with a 8-track of Beatles playing… on the 8 track…y’know?
Gen x-y-z ain’t got no GROOOV, man…..
y’know? I know…y’know?

W2

Looks pretty harmless to me.

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rgr1480

I love that Bug.

(^__^)

sarasnipe

Herbie

timactual

I can remember the first time I saw a VW. We were doing one of our coast-to-coast bi-annual PCS moves in the late ’50s (PRE-interstate). As we were driving through the southwest somewhere in the family Nash Rambler at “best possible speed” when I happened to glance outside and saw a weird, lady-bug looking car alongside and slowly passing us. I continued to watch the odd-looking thing pull ahead of us, and as it pulled even with the front of our car I suddenly noticed that the small round vehicle was towing a boat! I swear that boat was bigger than the bug! I am still impressed. Not least by the nerve of the beetle driver who dared to pass on a two-laned major (for that time) highway while towing a large load.

Which reminds me of a song…

Odie

I’ve always liked that song. The foot coming down at the end was a nice Monty python touch.

NHSparky

To be fair, I haven’t purchased anything made by Toshiba since the 1980s. My fellow bubbleheads understand why.