Vladimir Putin wants Ukraine to accept Russia’s terms or face the worst to come
For those following events on the ground in Ukraine, the Russians have made slow gains. These gains proved to be costly. Although the Russians have superiority in firepower, steel, armor, etc., they are plagued with incompetency, corruption, inefficiencies, and other issues that sabotage their efforts.
Now that they have solidified some areas under their control, the need to reset recalibrate, reconstitute, and resupply to continue gaining ground. However, the Ukrainian Army has other plans. They’ve been hitting Russian ammunition depots and command-and-control centers deep into Russian-controlled territory.
From the Associated Press:
MOSCOW (AP) — With Russia’s military action in Ukraine in its fifth month, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday warned Kyiv that it should quickly accept Moscow’s terms or brace for the worst, adding ominously that Russia has barely started its action.
Speaking at a meeting with leaders of the Kremlin-controlled parliament, Putin accused Western allies of fueling the hostilities, charging that “the West wants to fight us until the last Ukrainian.”
“It’s a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it looks like it’s heading in that direction,” he added.
“Everybody should know that largely speaking, we haven’t even yet started anything in earnest,” Putin said in a menacing note.
He declared that Russia remains ready to sit down for talks to end the fighting, adding that “those who refuse to do so should know that the longer it lasts the more difficult it will be for them to make a deal with us.”
“We are hearing that they want to defeat us on the battlefield,” Putin said. “Let them try.”
Earlier in the conflict, the Kremlin demanded that Kyiv acknowledge Russian sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula, which it annexed in 2014, and recognize the independence of Moscow-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine. Moscow also said it expected Ukraine to bow to the existing situation on the ground, a reference to other land gains it has made since Russian troops rolled into Ukraine on Feb. 24.
The Associated Press has the article here.
Nothing another $50 billion won’t cure.
It’s all about R&D and good jobs for our children.
As well as kickbacks for the politicians involved.
What happens if the Russians the corporate headquarters of Burisma and release the employee records of Hunter Biden?
Putin threatens The ‘kraine with a nuke made from the uranium he got from Hitlery. The ‘kraine blackmails prezzy sniffy with the records to keep the American Taxpayer’s money flowing. The irony. My sympathies to the Ukrainian and American citizens that are caught up in this d^ck waving contest between to wannabe despots.
How many border walls and pipelines could we have built with the 100+ billion we have sent so far? :wpds_mad:
“How many border walls and pipelines could we have built with the 100+ billion we have sent so far?” None, Pedo Joe don’t build no walls or pipelines. He will, however, send a few million barrels of our Strategic Petroleum Reserve to several countries.
None as long as there are any socialist democrats around to fuck it up.
I guess it will soon be time to ship IED components to Ukrainian partisans behind the Russian lines. I wonder how Ivan will like getting popped with an EFP?
Full disclosure, I don’t particularly care for Ukraine but I’m all about destroying Russian combat power on the cheap.
I like the Ukies all right, but I have always hated Russia and the Russians. I still remember when they were bankrolling the NVA and providing advisors and torturers to them. Russian blood should flow like rivers.
IMHO what Putin is saying is akin to “STOP NOW or I’ll keep hitting myself in the face with a billy club!”
And in semi- related news, China wants the US-China military relationship to stop because they don’t like it. https://www.wpri.com/news/us-and-world/china-demands-end-to-us-taiwan-military-collusion/
I routinely ask the question, “what has Russia done to us that we make them out to be the big bogey man?” Oh yeah, they stole the election from Hillary. Yeah, right.
The constant Western propaganda of “… plagued with incompetency, corruption, inefficiencies…” with the Russian army is belied by just by one fact (and plenty of other facts) that the Rooskies seem to have an endless supply of artillery shells. That takes a LOT of competence and efficiency to keep the supply train rolling.
Literally no one knows, and the Russians aren’t telling, how many casualties the Russians are experiencing. The Russians report how many Ukrainians are being killed and what weapons have been destroyed on nearly a daily basis. The few victories the Ukrainians have are reported rather sporadically. This speaks volumes.
(continuing) Looking at the reasons for Russia attacking the Ukraine there are both old and recent (last 20 y) reasons that support the invasion rationale. Past history: Russia lost 20 + million during WWII to the Nazis. We lost 460,000. Russians really, really hate Nazis. Ukraine has plenty of Nazis. Recent history: The US/Nato alliance has reneged on its promise to not spread NATO to countries East of the original setup. There has been a steady creep of NATO to the East. The US has pushed for Ukraine’s inclusion within recent history. The Ukraine is only 500 KM from Moscow. How would the US feel if China set up armed bases in Mexico or Canada?
It took a couple months of studying both sides of the coin, but I am now asking, “who’s the bad guy here?” It is disturbing, but I’m not sure anymore that we are the good guys.
I still think we are the good guys but we are are getting screwed by our corrupt leadership who is getting paid.
Response to aGrim, July 10, 2022, Part 4A
I posted an article here, by a retired Russian general, about the fact that NATO did not pose a threat against Russia, and that the push was not due to NATO expansion, but to detract from the demographic challenges occurring within Russia… Something about Russia about to “come to an end” due to said demographic challenges. The other excuse given was the fact that Ukraine opted for the western model in rejection of the Russian model.
If you listen, or read, comments from Russian talking heads, it’s about sphere of influence… In Russian terms “share”, as in “sharing Ukraine” and “sharing Europe”.
YouTube account “Infographics” posted some videos about Russian ineptness that are pretty spot on:
On a side note, I’m not the one that downvoted you.
The last thing I care about are up/down votes, but it is gentlemanly of you to note it was not you. I’m disappointed with the video as you normally provide in-depth information which I enjoy. The company that makes these videos does all kinds of informational videos that I consider to be grade school level. Nor is the company anywhere near having military analysis skills. Might it be a fair question to ask, who is funding this video?
They based that video on information they saw of veterans commenting on the Russians performance, both personnel and equipment, as well as from reports on the ground. I track multiple information sources; the above video is consistent with the information I get from these other information sources.
For example, just watching videos of Russian soldiers doing things gives me the impression that they’re forces in garrison. The way they move, dismounted or mounted, leaves them vulnerable to suffering heavier casualties than what they should be suffering. They lack the combined arms coordination, as well as the leadership experience, that we have in the US military. This contributed to them engaging in fratricide.
For example, they’ve lost a lot of field grade and general officers. Why? They have little to no NCO experience/capabilities. They’re doing things that NCOs, and company grade officers in the US military, do easily.
Dude, the majority of the country here is now grade school level.
And, let’s not forget, maneuvering tactically though the contaminated Red Forest at Chernobyl then digging/occupying fighting positions there because nobody asked “Why does it say ‘Hazardous Area, Stay Out’ on the map here?”
Really? How many Nazis is plenty? Is it more than we have in the US? Because I don’t think it is. If we are to believe the FBI and the SPLC then the Proud Boys are a Neo Nazi group and they have up to 6000 members all by themselves which is more Nazis than in all of the Ukraine. Add in a few more groups and the numbers really climb. I would say after the last decade of proven track records that the SPLC, the FBI and Putin are all equally credible sources on Nazis, collusion, plots, revolutions and insurgencies.
I guess since this is all about Nazis and has nothing to do with Russian expansionary policies than they should invade the US next. Or Germany? There are more Neo-Nazis in Germany than in the US for sure. In fact; I’d lay good money on there being Nazis in just about every country in Europe and most other places. So why stop at the Ukraine? Just invade all of Europe. And anywhere else they want. Of course it could just be a pretext… but nah.. Nazis make sense.
How about this, 2016, the US Congress said the Ukraine had too many Nazi’s to get foreign aid. Sad part,, most of those same jokers, are still in Congress.
USAF: good comment even if you are AF. 🙂 I never miss a chance to bash the “other” branches of service. Go Navy/Marines!
If I may add to your comment…
The Ukranian Azov battalion that defended Mariupol and the steel mill there, had a large percentage of Nazis who controlled the battalion. These Nazis were responsible for shelling and killing thousands of civilians in Eastern Ukraine in the eight years prior to Russia invading. The Azov viciously went after ethnic Russian Ukrainians in the Eastern part of Ukraine. The world paid no attention – for eight years. The Nazis hate Russians, the Russians hate Nazis. Ain’t it a lovely world?
The Russians are the real NAZIs. What had been said about the Azov Battalion has mostly been Russian propaganda. The Ukrainians have actually shown pictures of belongings, of Russian KIA, with NAZI Germany related insignia.
A couple of terms use to describe the Russians? “Orcs” and “RuZZia”, with “Z” being the “Russian NAZI symbol”. Putin is sometimes called “Putler”.
The Russians have talked about “De-nazifying” the NATO countries. What they identify as “NAZIs” are governments doing things that Moscow disapproves.
Much of what you’ve said had also been said by the Russian trolls that I’ve busted up on other sites. The attached photo is an example of the atrocities that the Russians are committing against both Russian speakers and non-Russian speakers in the areas they are occupying.
Based on the round placements on their vehicle, the Russians shot at them as they caught up, were right next to them, then when they passed them. Pure blood lust.
Response to aGrim, July 10, 2022, Part 1A
Russians being plagued with incompetency, corruption, inefficiencies, etc., are based on my observations. I take my own military experiences and compare it to what I’m seeing with the Russians. They’ve committed a f* ton of mistakes on the ground there that we would not dare make in Iraq, or even in the US during an FTX. It’s like they’re larping what they played on a video game, and that their exercises consist of going from point A to point B, do fan fire, then move on to continue the scripted exercise.
Speaking of Russian artillery rounds. I’m tracking operations on the ground there, to include websites where you could see troop placement and the results of artillery rounds. The Ukrainians have already started to use HIMARS against Russian ammunition depots, supply nodes, command and control centers, and other areas in areas controlled by the Russians.
Response to aGrim, July 10, 2022, Part 2A
Today, I noticed that Russian artillery was not as active as before. The momentum is slowing for the Russians and starting to pick up for Ukraine.
Then we have reports on the ground of Russians having to do field level creativity to do repairs, or “up armor” their vehicles… Or of their getting f*ed over by their equipment parts that they had to purchase from China as sanctions prevented them from getting them from the west.
I’ve also heard audio of phone conversation intercepts providing an insight into what is going on with the Russian Army. In one instance, a commander lied and claimed that they would go forward with over 100 soldiers when in fact they only had a fraction of that. In another instance, a commander did not care about the fact that his soldiers did not have effective body armor.
Response to aGrim, July 10, 2022, Part 3A
Their equipment is not always up to par, due to the manufacturers taking the government money, lying about capability, then providing a substandard product. What makes it to the Army is similarly appropriated, even food. There is corruption up and down the Russian military, and Russian society. This is based on both Western and Russian accounts.
As much firepower that they brought, air, steel, artillery, manpower, etc., the Russians should’ve already had control of all of Ukraine… Before a month. The Ukrainians managed to stall the Russian advance across most of the east and south, the Russians had to focus their efforts in two main areas along the front lines. That’s not exactly winning the war. Given their ineptness, that’s not sustainable in the long run. They’re going to lose the war.
I would be interested in the sites you use for troop placement et cetera. My prime site for that sort of info is You Tube’s ‘The Military Channel’. Somewhat pro-Russia, it does appear to present a balanced view of the battle lines. ISW is the pro-Ukraine side of the coin, but tends to be a day or two late on its analysis. I like to look at all kinds of data from both sides. Unfortunately, there too many sites that are just propaganda.
I don’t much care who wins or loses. However, as I look at geopolitics, I am of the mind that we should make nice with Russia as I do not wish to see them allied with China.
The Russians and Chinese have been against us for decades, been conducting joint military exercises. They intend to displace the United States as the leading power, and to re-establish a multipolar word where they call the shots.
The Russians hate us, and so do the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP actually considers itself at war with the United States (asymmetrical war), and the Russians have imperial ambitions. The latter is based on statements that some Russians have made, not just made by westerners.
The Russians are not just trying to reestablish their status during the Cold War, but to build Russia up to its empire days. I just saw a video interview where Russian soldiers, or mercenaries, were talking about going for Berlin. Some of their helicopters allegedly had “onward to Berlin” painted on them.
One of their officials talked about “wanting Alaska back”. Another official talked about expanding to the east.
Your reference sources are YouTube channels that appear to be ran by Americans… Practically secondary/tertiary sources of information. Better sites to utilize:
Maps to track on a regular basis:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/46.853/33.761
https://militaryland.net/tag/maps/
Ukrainian, but fair and balanced:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs
Intercepts:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPzy5fPr7RDpw_vLSPMHMgQ
The videos posted on this site offer a wealth of information as well as leads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/
Thanks for the links. Unfortunately by the time I can get to them, this thread will likely be dead.
They’re worth following even long after this thread moves on. People on the front lines, both military and civilians, are posting information on r/Ukraine that you would not get on the YouTube channels that you mentioned. In many instances, they called events accurately before the news picked up on it.
Not for nothing, but even if they allied with China, they would be the junior partner. Long term, they need to be more concerned with the Chinese taking Siberia from them rather than chasing “Nazis” in Ukraine. Considering how much crap equipment their “allies” the Chinese have been selling them, they’re kind of in a “with friends like these, who needs enemies?” scenario. If they had any fucking sense, they would make nice with US.
“Considering how much crap equipment their “allies” the Chinese have been selling them, they’re kind of in a “with friends like these, who needs enemies?” scenario.”
Absolutely, starting with the “Wal Mart fall-apart” tires the Chinese sold to the Russian Military, and I’m certain that plenty of money was siphoned off in the process.
And you believe them? With that propaganda machine? The Russians could not lie straight in bed.
Hamid I, Qajar, Napoleon, Wilhelm II….
Commanders of some of the most effective militaries in the world over the last couple centuries have looked with disdain upon the disorganized and undisciplined mob that is the Russian military.
Still, they all lost to the Russian military.
Today’s Western military thought draws much from the auftragstaktik and blitzkrieg of WWII Germany – another extremely competent, professional military that, ultimately, was beaten by the Russian rabble they so disdained.
I’m not saying I’m rooting for Russia in this whole fiasco, just that we need to look beyond the approach of the last 200+ years of hubris.
A millennium has passed since the Vikings used the Rus as practice dummies. Even the great Mongol empire fell short of taking the Russian homeland. She hasn’t known truly humiliating defeat since the Polish marched into Moscow in 1610, and that didn’t last long. Slow and sloppy winners beat the most professional of losers.
Response to Hate_me, July 11, 2022, Part 1A
The Russians also have a poor track record at power projection. More recent examples include Afghanistan and Chechnya. The later attempted to break away, two wars were fought, and the victory did not come as a result of military ability on the part of the Russians, but as a result of money that Moscow is paying them. Many in Russia and Chechnya are seeing this as Moscow paying tribute.
What’s happening in Ukraine is similar, but accelerated, to what happened to the Russians in Afghanistan. We’re not talking about an attempt to take over or occupy parts of Russia, as your examples show. We’re talking about Russia’s attempts to project power and occupy a foreign country. Russia experienced a humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, an operation that contributed to the acceleration of the disintegration of the Soviet Union.
Response to Hate_me, July 11, 2022, Part 2A
Putin has declared his intention to keep fighting this war for the long haul. Russia does not do too well after engagements like this. Their involvement in Word War I, fighting in foreign territory, accelerated events towards the revolution that would lead to communism. The Russian leadership will face a reckoning when a critical mass of their troops return home and debunk state run media propaganda. The longer sanctions will increase the “hurt” in the long run.
Back in the 1980s, when I came across information regarding what was happening in the USSR, I accurately predicted that the Soviet Union would disintegrate. I was proven right a lot sooner than I anticipated I would be proven right. I’m seeing political, demographic, and society related upheavals taking place in Russia in the future partly as a result of their misadventure in Ukraine.