Vladimir Putin wants Ukraine to accept Russia’s terms or face the worst to come

| July 10, 2022

For those following events on the ground in Ukraine, the Russians have made slow gains. These gains proved to be costly. Although the Russians have superiority in firepower, steel, armor, etc., they are plagued with incompetency, corruption, inefficiencies, and other issues that sabotage their efforts.

Now that they have solidified some areas under their control, the need to reset recalibrate, reconstitute, and resupply to continue gaining ground. However, the Ukrainian Army has other plans. They’ve been hitting Russian ammunition depots and command-and-control centers deep into Russian-controlled territory.

From the Associated Press:

MOSCOW (AP) — With Russia’s military action in Ukraine in its fifth month, Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday warned Kyiv that it should quickly accept Moscow’s terms or brace for the worst, adding ominously that Russia has barely started its action.

Speaking at a meeting with leaders of the Kremlin-controlled parliament, Putin accused Western allies of fueling the hostilities, charging that “the West wants to fight us until the last Ukrainian.”

“It’s a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it looks like it’s heading in that direction,” he added.

“Everybody should know that largely speaking, we haven’t even yet started anything in earnest,” Putin said in a menacing note.

He declared that Russia remains ready to sit down for talks to end the fighting, adding that “those who refuse to do so should know that the longer it lasts the more difficult it will be for them to make a deal with us.”

“We are hearing that they want to defeat us on the battlefield,” Putin said. “Let them try.”

Earlier in the conflict, the Kremlin demanded that Kyiv acknowledge Russian sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula, which it annexed in 2014, and recognize the independence of Moscow-backed separatist regions in eastern Ukraine. Moscow also said it expected Ukraine to bow to the existing situation on the ground, a reference to other land gains it has made since Russian troops rolled into Ukraine on Feb. 24.

The Associated Press has the article here.

Category: Russia, Ukraine

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Odie

Nothing another $50 billion won’t cure.

26Limabeans

It’s all about R&D and good jobs for our children.

A Proud Infidel®™

As well as kickbacks for the politicians involved.

Hack Stone

What happens if the Russians the corporate headquarters of Burisma and release the employee records of Hunter Biden?

KoB

Putin threatens The ‘kraine with a nuke made from the uranium he got from Hitlery. The ‘kraine blackmails prezzy sniffy with the records to keep the American Taxpayer’s money flowing. The irony. My sympathies to the Ukrainian and American citizens that are caught up in this d^ck waving contest between to wannabe despots.

How many border walls and pipelines could we have built with the 100+ billion we have sent so far?  :wpds_mad: 

UpNorth

“How many border walls and pipelines could we have built with the 100+ billion we have sent so far?” None, Pedo Joe don’t build no walls or pipelines. He will, however, send a few million barrels of our Strategic Petroleum Reserve to several countries.

USMC Steve

None as long as there are any socialist democrats around to fuck it up.

Prior Service

I guess it will soon be time to ship IED components to Ukrainian partisans behind the Russian lines. I wonder how Ivan will like getting popped with an EFP?

Prior Service

Full disclosure, I don’t particularly care for Ukraine but I’m all about destroying Russian combat power on the cheap.

USMC Steve

I like the Ukies all right, but I have always hated Russia and the Russians. I still remember when they were bankrolling the NVA and providing advisors and torturers to them. Russian blood should flow like rivers.

A Proud Infidel®™

IMHO what Putin is saying is akin to “STOP NOW or I’ll keep hitting myself in the face with a billy club!”

David

And in semi- related news, China wants the US-China military relationship to stop because they don’t like it. https://www.wpri.com/news/us-and-world/china-demands-end-to-us-taiwan-military-collusion/

aGrim

I routinely ask the question, “what has Russia done to us that we make them out to be the big bogey man?” Oh yeah, they stole the election from Hillary. Yeah, right.

The constant Western propaganda of “… plagued with incompetency, corruption, inefficiencies…” with the Russian army is belied by just by one fact (and plenty of other facts) that the Rooskies seem to have an endless supply of artillery shells. That takes a LOT of competence and efficiency to keep the supply train rolling.

Literally no one knows, and the Russians aren’t telling, how many casualties the Russians are experiencing. The Russians report how many Ukrainians are being killed and what weapons have been destroyed on nearly a daily basis. The few victories the Ukrainians have are reported rather sporadically. This speaks volumes.

aGrim

(continuing) Looking at the reasons for Russia attacking the Ukraine there are both old and recent (last 20 y) reasons that support the invasion rationale. Past history: Russia lost 20 + million during WWII to the Nazis. We lost 460,000. Russians really, really hate Nazis. Ukraine has plenty of Nazis. Recent history: The US/Nato alliance has reneged on its promise to not spread NATO to countries East of the original setup. There has been a steady creep of NATO to the East. The US has pushed for Ukraine’s inclusion within recent history. The Ukraine is only 500 KM from Moscow. How would the US feel if China set up armed bases in Mexico or Canada?

It took a couple months of studying both sides of the coin, but I am now asking, “who’s the bad guy here?” It is disturbing, but I’m not sure anymore that we are the good guys.

STSC(SW/SS)

I still think we are the good guys but we are are getting screwed by our corrupt leadership who is getting paid.

aGrim

The last thing I care about are up/down votes, but it is gentlemanly of you to note it was not you. I’m disappointed with the video as you normally provide in-depth information which I enjoy. The company that makes these videos does all kinds of informational videos that I consider to be grade school level. Nor is the company anywhere near having military analysis skills. Might it be a fair question to ask, who is funding this video?

USMC Steve

Dude, the majority of the country here is now grade school level.

Anonymous

And, let’s not forget, maneuvering tactically though the contaminated Red Forest at Chernobyl then digging/occupying fighting positions there because nobody asked “Why does it say ‘Hazardous Area, Stay Out’ on the map here?”

5JC

Really? How many Nazis is plenty? Is it more than we have in the US? Because I don’t think it is. If we are to believe the FBI and the SPLC then the Proud Boys are a Neo Nazi group and they have up to 6000 members all by themselves which is more Nazis than in all of the Ukraine. Add in a few more groups and the numbers really climb. I would say after the last decade of proven track records that the SPLC, the FBI and Putin are all equally credible sources on Nazis, collusion, plots, revolutions and insurgencies.

I guess since this is all about Nazis and has nothing to do with Russian expansionary policies than they should invade the US next. Or Germany? There are more Neo-Nazis in Germany than in the US for sure. In fact; I’d lay good money on there being Nazis in just about every country in Europe and most other places. So why stop at the Ukraine? Just invade all of Europe. And anywhere else they want. Of course it could just be a pretext… but nah.. Nazis make sense.

USAF E-5

How about this, 2016, the US Congress said the Ukraine had too many Nazi’s to get foreign aid. Sad part,, most of those same jokers, are still in Congress.

aGrim

USAF: good comment even if you are AF. 🙂 I never miss a chance to bash the “other” branches of service. Go Navy/Marines!

If I may add to your comment…

The Ukranian Azov battalion that defended Mariupol and the steel mill there, had a large percentage of Nazis who controlled the battalion. These Nazis were responsible for shelling and killing thousands of civilians in Eastern Ukraine in the eight years prior to Russia invading. The Azov viciously went after ethnic Russian Ukrainians in the Eastern part of Ukraine. The world paid no attention – for eight years. The Nazis hate Russians, the Russians hate Nazis. Ain’t it a lovely world?

aGrim

I would be interested in the sites you use for troop placement et cetera. My prime site for that sort of info is You Tube’s ‘The Military Channel’. Somewhat pro-Russia, it does appear to present a balanced view of the battle lines. ISW is the pro-Ukraine side of the coin, but tends to be a day or two late on its analysis. I like to look at all kinds of data from both sides. Unfortunately, there too many sites that are just propaganda.

I don’t much care who wins or loses. However, as I look at geopolitics, I am of the mind that we should make nice with Russia as I do not wish to see them allied with China.

aGrim

Thanks for the links. Unfortunately by the time I can get to them, this thread will likely be dead.

The Stranger

Not for nothing, but even if they allied with China, they would be the junior partner. Long term, they need to be more concerned with the Chinese taking Siberia from them rather than chasing “Nazis” in Ukraine. Considering how much crap equipment their “allies” the Chinese have been selling them, they’re kind of in a “with friends like these, who needs enemies?” scenario. If they had any fucking sense, they would make nice with US.

A Proud Infidel®™

“Considering how much crap equipment their “allies” the Chinese have been selling them, they’re kind of in a “with friends like these, who needs enemies?” scenario.”

Absolutely, starting with the “Wal Mart fall-apart” tires the Chinese sold to the Russian Military, and I’m certain that plenty of money was siphoned off in the process.

USMC Steve

And you believe them? With that propaganda machine? The Russians could not lie straight in bed.

Hate_me

Hamid I, Qajar, Napoleon, Wilhelm II….

Commanders of some of the most effective militaries in the world over the last couple centuries have looked with disdain upon the disorganized and undisciplined mob that is the Russian military.

Still, they all lost to the Russian military.

Today’s Western military thought draws much from the auftragstaktik and blitzkrieg of WWII Germany – another extremely competent, professional military that, ultimately, was beaten by the Russian rabble they so disdained.

I’m not saying I’m rooting for Russia in this whole fiasco, just that we need to look beyond the approach of the last 200+ years of hubris.

A millennium has passed since the Vikings used the Rus as practice dummies. Even the great Mongol empire fell short of taking the Russian homeland. She hasn’t known truly humiliating defeat since the Polish marched into Moscow in 1610, and that didn’t last long. Slow and sloppy winners beat the most professional of losers.