Support for abortion shifts when abortion questions are properly framed

| July 10, 2022

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Many abortion related poll questions are designed to get pro-abortion responses. However, when questions are asked that accurately reflect the abortion process, many Democrats back away from supporting abortion. Pro-abortion propagandists showcase excuses related to rape or the mother’s life. Providing details about the abortion process; however, like a heartbeat and pain reaction, tends to work against their argument.

From the Federalist:

A new abortion poll from the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists (AAPLOG) out Wednesday illuminates how media and abortion activists are able to skew public opinion by keeping people in the dark about the practice. Once Americans understand the grisly details and what Roe v. Wade really entailed, their opinions change dramatically.

For instance, while the pro-abortion media routinely tout Roe as majority-supported, more than half of the poll respondents opposed Roe v. Wade once they learned it allowed for late-term abortions.

Fifty-three percent said they support, versus 31 percent who opposed, Roe v. Wade when it was presented to them as the keystone to recognizing abortion as a so-called “constitutional right,” which is the left’s framing of the issue. But when participants learned Roe allowed for late-term abortions, when unborn babies can feel pain, those numbers reversed and then some: 56 percent said they opposed Roe v. Wade, and only 28 percent supported it.

The trend of participants switching positions once they knew more facts continued throughout the poll. When asked if they supported or opposed late-term abortions, seventy-four percent of Republicans opposed compared to only 36 percent of Democrats. Almost half the Democrats surveyed said they support late-term abortions.

However, once participants were asked if a fetus counts as a human life when it has a heartbeat at six weeks, begins to move its eyes at 12 weeks, or can feel pain at 14 weeks, the Democrat position on late-term abortion shifted. Fifty-nine percent of respondents, including 49 percent of Democrats, now said they support abortion bans if there is an indication of life.

The Federalist has the article here. You could review the questions and response breakdowns at this link.

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Graybeard

When the truth is told, people prefer God’s way after all.

Commissar

Perhaps you need reminding of a saying that is more relevant than ever…”religion is like a penis.., it is impolite to wave it around in public, and you don’t have the right to shove it down other people’s throats”.

Last edited 2 years ago by Commissar
Deckie

Didn’t you say you were never coming back here again?

UpNorth

He’s a progressive socialist, Deckie, he can’t keep his word, it’s not in his DNA to live like that.

SFC D

Also applies to antifa, BLM, each and every one of your sacred progressive ideals. Thanks for playing.

Hack Stone

One of the radio hosts on WMAL ( DC market) said that if abortion is “just a medical procedure”, they should broadcast an abortion on network television, much like what CBS when they televised Katie Couric’s colonoscopy. Come on, it’s just a medical procedure, show America the benefits of this “procedure”.

5JC

There was the woman who filmed herself getting the abortion done. Rather than focusing on the baby she just filmed her face happy, smiling and humming all the while. Did not get any of the baby being flushed down the toilet.

KoB

Probably didn’t get any footage of the chemical being injected, the skull being crushed, the brain being sucked out, or the limbs being torn off one by one either.

Your body; your choice? Nope, your choice to not use a preventive readily available but it is NOT your body that is being ripped apart.

aGrim

With the first cell division of a fertilized oocyte, that is an indication of life. Biology 101. Once again, who’s denying the science?

A Proud Infidel®™

“Once again, who’s denying the science?”

Yep, the same pissflaps screeching “FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!” from their pointy little heads when they think it suits their agenda.

AW1Ed

Notice how more indefensible the subject, the faster the talk?

LC

I don’t think it’s indefensible, I think it’s complicated. And, what’s worse, most of the ‘discussion’ around abortion focuses on extremes. On the Right, they like to show fully-formed babies as the norm for abortion, when that’s the very small minority of cases. On the Left, the most vocal voices are those espousing unrestricted abortion, at any stage of development, for any reason.

In reality, we all value things differently. Think a living, breathing kid is the same as an embryo that, yes, will develop into one? If so, and a fire broke out at a nearby IVF center, with actual children inside, would you save 10 eggs or two living children? If the embryos are equivalent to the kids, it’s a no brainer – ten lives vs two. But damn near everyone I know would save the kids.

LC

Ultimately, I currently ‘support’ abortion rights, begrudgingly, because I don’t feel a fetus is a ‘person’ – human, yes, but not yet a person. I find late-stage abortion pretty abhorrent, but it’s also rare, and often a scenario where something is wrong, either with the mother or would-be child. Is it for me to pick and choose what someone else does?

I’d also feel a lot better about the pro-life crowd if they’d be willing to support life everywhere. If they were all organ donors, and registered for things like the bone marrow registry, I’d be more understanding that it truly is a principle of life, vs birth.

At the end of the day, while my own feelings shift and change, I’d prefer it be safe-but-discouraged, ideally to the point where abortions aren’t happening. But absent that, having families have the freedom to be able to make these difficult choices, and do so safely, seems the next best option.

Fyrfighter

And that’s exactly what it now is LC, subject to the voters in an individual state. Here in once beautiful Colorado, it’s still legal to kill a baby up to, and in some cases, even after they’re born.

Fyrfighter

It’s also interesting how the Colorado law has a preemption clause, even though the democrats lost no time in repealing such a law when it came to gun rights… It’s almost like they don’t really give a rats ass about the Constitution, and just use it as a bludgeon when it suits their needs to further their agenda.

LC

I’d love a reliable source on the ‘after they’re born’ bit — that’s straight-up murder, and I’m pretty skeptical.

As for the law, I don’t know enough about it, to be honest. But aren’t we a ‘shall issue’ state with a castle doctrine law? That seems pretty good, even if there are things others might consider ‘restrictions’, like background checks. Again, happy to read any links you suggest.

Fyrfighter

LC,
The first part stems from the zero restrictions, and cases where a baby was delivered during a botched abortion, and it would be allowed to die, rather than any attempt be made to keep him / her alive.
The second part is that until Polis took office, the state had a preemption law that did not allow any municipality to have gun laws stricter than the state itself. (just as the RHEA law has regarding abortions), but when it came to an actual right enumerated in the Constitution, the dems wouldn’t stand for it, and last year, under Polis, they repealed it.
http://www.thegunmag.com/colorado-governor-signs-bill-nullifying-state-preemption/
Which leads to dumbassery like :
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/02/14/boulder-colorado-officials-taking-advantage-of-repeal-of-colorado-preemption-law-n55449,
and:
https://coloradohandgunsafety.com/new-denver-conceal-carry-laws/

Fyrfighter

And yeah, statewide magazine limits and private party background checks are another matter (because they’re at the state level, they don’t fall under the preemption part of the discussion).
Also, I didn’t attach the link to the abortion law, so here it is.
https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/2022a_1279_signed.pdf

rgr769

Well, how about the former governor of Virginia, Dr. Northam? I watched him say he would deliver a live baby at full term and then consult the mother as to whether they doctors should snuff it. Just like they do in Commie China, except they don’t consult the mother if she has one too many kids.

USMC Steve

There are several states, blue each and every one, that allow baby murder right up to the point where it pops out the puddy.

USMC Steve

Interesting straw man argument and deflection. None of that stuff has anything to do with the argument at hand sir.

Hack Stone

Two churches in Bethesda Maryland were set on fire, most likely by those who are “pro-choice”, as long as your choice is their choice.

Graybeard

Tolerate our evil, join in our evil, or we will attack you intolerant bigots!

Fyrfighter

Fiery but mostly peaceful protests… I’m sure Garland will have the DOJ get right on that..

Commissar

So which religion gets to decide whether a woman or child should be forced to carry their rapists seed to term?

Let’s frame the abortion rights question that way.., since religion is being used as the PRIMARY motivation for the entire effort to deny women their right to choose.

Green Thumb

All I know is this, a lot of OBGYNs in states that perform abortions are about to get paid.

They may stand tall, scream from the mountain tops and complain about the overturning of the decision (Roe vs Wade), but this same bunch are probably meeting with their money folks and lining up that vacation home on the side.

With the decision getting sent back to states, its only a matter of time before you start seeing commercials in states that provide abortion similar to late night cosmetic commercials and such. Point being, its about to become a thriving and privatized industry in some states.

Kinda of a win-win for the OBGYNs and such. Hold the moral high ground, provide a service that many may need (real or perceived) and make stacks of cash.

Commissar

Your framing of the issue is bullshit.

Roe only allowed late term abortions in exceedingly rare cases when the infant was not viable and the woman’s life was at risk.

Only 0.2% of abortion occurred after 26 weeks and these were cases where the fetus was no longer viable.

Only 1.2% of abortions occurred after 21 weeks.

If you “correctly” frame the question with that accurate description of “late term” abortion you will find people do support Roe.

Just accept you Christian theocrat despots don’t give a damn about the constitution. And you don’t actually care if what you are forcing down our throats is not supported by the majority of Americans.

Last edited 2 years ago by Commissar
Twist

I thought you were never coming back? I guess we can chalk that one up to the numerous falsehoods that you have told on this site.

Fyrfighter

Meds… get back on them, you’re delusional again