Harris and Biden compare the January 6 capitol riot to the Pearl Harbor attack and to the September 11 terrorist attacks

| January 6, 2022

Biden and Harris spoke on the anniversary of the January 6, 2021, capitol protest and riot. During their speeches, they emphasized the argument that the left advanced over the past year. They claimed that “democracy was attacked”. They also stated that “attackers” carried Confederate flags and went “counter” to their love of law enforcement.

From the post-millennial:

“One year ago today, in this sacred place, Democracy was attacked, simply attacked,” Biden began. He praised the Capitol Police and DC Metro Police, and as he condemned the actions of the Trump-supporting rioters one year ago, he said that those rioters “failed. They failed!” He said.

It is egregious and unfathomable to Biden that rioters “breached the Capitol,” and brought Confederate flags with them. “A crowd that professes a love for law enforcement assaulted police officers,” he said, quoting an officer who said the day was like “a Medieval battle,” and that it was scarier than fighting in Iraq.

“We saw with out own eyes rioters menace these halls, threaten then life of the speaker of the house, literally erecting gallows to hang the vice president of America!” Biden said, about the rally held at the DC’s ellipse that day.

“What did we not see, we didn’t see a former president who just rallied the mob to attack sitting in the private dining room of the Oval Office in the White House watching it all on television, doing nothing.”

Biden claimed the riot was “an armed insurrection” made up of people trying to “subvert the constitution.”

“The former president of the United States of America has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election. He has done so because he values power over principle, because he sees his own interest as more important than his country’s interest and America’s interest. And because his bruised ego matters more to him than our democracy or our Constitution,” Biden said of Donald Trump, without mentioning him by name.

Biden also slammed Republicans of the America First movement, also not naming them personally, and claiming that these are the people who are opposed to America and seeking their own power. This, apparently, is how Biden is seeking to unify the country–Democrats against Republicans, isolated a vocal group of his opponents and mobilizing rhetoric and the people against them.
“Former presidential supporters are trying to rewrite history,” he said of those who voted against the certification of his leadership. “They want you to see election day as the day of insurrection and the riot that took place here on January 6 as the true expression of the people.”

“Here’s the truth,” he said of the election that brought him to office, “the election of 2020 was the greatest demonstration of democracy in the history of this country.” He touted the stats of how many people voted in that election, “in a pandemic, at so much risk to their lives.”

And he slammed election integrity laws that have been passed in many states, many of which expand early voting and allow for more voting access than Biden’s home state of Delaware, as well as other blue states. He claimed that these laws are voter suppression, “undemocratic and unAmerican.”

He spoke about the “Big Lie,” so coined by Democrats who wanted to equate Trump’s questioning of the election results of 2020 to Hitler, saying that there’s no evidence of voter fraud. This was determined after challenges and recounts were made in states like Georgia, Arizona, and others that were of concern to Trump and his supporters.

The post-millennial has the rest of their story, and video, here.

Category: "Teh Stoopid", "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves", 2020 Election, Biden, Politics

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Veritas Omnia Vincit

The insurrection in which zero charges of insurrection were filed and 90% of the participants were charged with nothing more than misdemeanor trespass… Jefferson once again provides some insights into protests against government. “Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable: 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions indeed generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.” – Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787 For my money the best part of January 6th was the simple fact that the people in DC shit themselves in fear of the people they supposedly represent. Those… Read more »

Roh-Dog

The Greatest Lie is that this current group of power-wielders have legitimacy. Those two clowns spoke of being sworn to ‘support and defend’ our Constitution, which clearly defines the rights of us and the limits to their power, yet they act as royalty. They have aided and abetted the usurpations of Law for political gain, or out of fear. A difference without distinction.

I will not bend the knee. I will not respect those who do for convenience.

Hell is coming for breakfast. Sharpen your spoons.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Your words remind me of Sam Adams…a rather renowned man of direct communication…my favorite quote of his follows:

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.

We ask not your counsels or arms.

Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.

May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

KoB

If they crapped their panties over this “insurrection”, gotta wonder what they gonna do when the REAL INSURRECTION comes.

I’m willing to die to keep my freedom! Are they willing to die to take my freedom from me? Oh…wait…it won’t be them coming for me, it will be their Stazi.

People control! 60+ years of enslaving America is coming to a “news cast” near you. “Tell a lie often enough….”

They will NOT like it when “We, The People”, that only want to be left alone, get tired of this BS. Trump was not their true target…We, The People were.

Odie

There was even a meme about it. They weren’t after him m they were after you. He was just in the way.

Screw these bastards and basterdettes.

Roh-Dog

Damn skippy. These men were true Liberals, concerned more with the rights of individuals than political expedience.

Samuel Adams was instrumental in getting John Adams and Josiah Quincy to defend the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre, regardless of personal bias.

Where is the NAACP, ACLU ,and the “Human” “Rights” Campaign running to demand fair treatment to the 06JAN Citizens rotting underneath the jails in that God-forsaken land, Criminals, District of?

Until Those Enlightened Fools make A, SINGULAR step towards JUSTICE, any message that falls out of their mouths is moot before forming.

Fuqem

Only Army Mom

Vov – And this, dear sir, is why I value your opinion so highly…
“For my money the best part of January 6th was the simple fact that the people in DC shit themselves in fear of the people they supposedly represent.

Those who govern should always be concerned about the wrath of the governed, as opposed to the governed being in constant fear of a monolithic totalitarian government masquerading as a Republic.”

BZ, sir, BZ

Veritas Omnia Vincit

OAM, I’ve managed to irritate a lot of “friends” of late on both sides of the aisle with such commentary…

It’s why I appreciate the folks here (like you) that see the larger picture.

There are far too many statists in the R and the D camp these days…

LC

And naturally, I’ll probably disagree with you and VOV on this:

Those who govern should always be concerned about the wrath of the governed, as opposed to the governed being in constant fear of a monolithic totalitarian government masquerading as a Republic.

If by ‘wrath’ we mean justice enacted by the governed within the constraints of the law, then sure, I agree wholeheartedly. But democratically elected politicians should not fear random violence or death at the hands of a small few of those same governed.

As Americans, we live by the rule of law, and extrajudicial violence stands apart from that. We vote people out, we shame them, and we charge them if they’ve committed criminal acts. We don’t threaten our fellow, law-abiding and law-making Americans with violence.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

The law is often nothing more than the will of the politician inflicted on the populace, it is neither moral or ethical on its face and thus its justice is also lacking in morality and ethicality on every facet.

When the law is abomination and tyranny, disobedience and rebellion are the moral and ethical choices for men and women of integrity.

Americans, especially those whose party is currently in power whether the R or D tribe, love to talk about “the law” as if it were some high standard of societal conduct…in a nation with a history of laws such as ours the evidence is rather lacking as to the integrity of our legal system once you leave the arena of robbery and homicide…

The law in these United States these days is little more than the tyranny of the majority over the minority. It deserves whatever it gets as we move forward.

LC

While I agree there are limitations to the principle of rule of law, I think the problem is once you open the door to justified violence by saying the law is ‘abomination and tyranny’, anyone can claim as such. Biden wants to give taxpayer money to fight climate change? Abomination and tyranny! Trump wants to fund the military? Abomination and tyranny! As the American people become more and more estranged over their guiding principles, we need something that both sides can view as a line in the sand which we do not cross. Violence against our fellow Americans, regardless of politics, seems a pretty fine one, in my opinion.

The legal system, like us, is far from perfect, and like us, needs to change and adapt. But to paraphrase from Churchill, ‘Our justice system is the worst thing ever.. except for everything else we’ve tried.’

USMC Steve

There was no violence perpetrated against any elected official on 6 Jan though. The only violence was perpetrated against two unarmed women were murdered by the capitol police. One point you don’t mention, or conveniently overlook is that when the government does not listen to its owners, the people, or refuses to represent us, we have not only the duty but the right to rise against them. With rigging of elections now the demonstrated modus operandi of the socialist democrat party, no voices will be heard but theirs. That means we have no voice, no rights, and no way to be heard or regarded. And at that point, it is far past time to shed the blood of our enemies. 6 Jan occurred because sensible people feared their “government” and now we know what it takes to make them pay attention.

SgtM

Ole Joe said his patience was wearing thin with people who CHOOSE to not fake vaccine. Then he said we were going to die a horrendous death this winter. Now he is begging like a 3 year old wanting a cookie for us to fake vaccine. In your own words, should law abiding free people put up with being threatened with violence and death? I CHOOSE NOT TO LISTEN AND TO PREPARE FOR HIS TOTALITARISM. If you decide to ride with ole pedo Joe. Just realize you ride with the guy making the threats.

LC

I’m not sure what you’re asking, honestly. I don’t think President Biden was threatening you with violence any more so than someone who sees a car about to crash and yells out, “Oh god, they might die!” is threatening its occupants. He was simply saying that people will die. Could he have done so more artfully? Abso-goddamn-lutely. He’s an idiot, and rarely expresses anything with even the eloquence of a five-year old. But that’s not a threat.

But if he did? Yes, again, absolutely. Americans should not be threatening other Americans, divided solely by politics, with violence or death. It’s a pretty simple policy.

Roh-Dog

“I don’t think President Biden was threatening you with violence…”

Tell me you haven’t been paying attention without telling me you haven’t been paying attention.

Normally I don’t give a flying fk what you say, but this statement is so far beyond any comprehension I’D LOVE for you to support this asinine statement.

ninja

In fairness to LC, LC did write “He’s an idiot, and rarely expresses anything with even the eloquence of a five-year old.”

Biden’s Poll Numbers are sinking fast. He, Harris, Nancy, Fauci are all becoming BIG JOKES.

Am willing to bet Commissar does not care for Biden as well.

In fact, I have yet to meet ANYONE supporting Plugs…Have met, talked to alot who has Buyer’s Remorse…Saw it during the Carters Years and now, with GWB…Who I started getting sour on when we went into the OIF Sandbox…

Election 2022 is coming. You just watch. The Libs are gonna try find ways to get rid of BOTH POTUS and the VP.

Roh-Dog

Read that before i commented, nin. I respect that he said that, and agree.

Deeds, not words.

His EOs and guidance to Unfreindy Agencies should scare us more than the mumbled words he doth speak.
I have no faith that he would step on an AG/DoJ going (even further) off the rails.
That’s my 2 cents.

ninja

You all Rock!!

Thank You…Love reading the exchanges…am learning new stuff all the time!!!

👍👍👍👏👏👏👌👌👌

LC

It’s really pretty simple:

Threat:
“Don’t do or I’ll kill you.”

Pointing out natural consequences to one’s own actions, and decidedly not a threat:
“Don’t do or it might kill you!”

It ain’t that hard to comprehend. Plug in whatever you like – driving drunk, taking hard drugs, being careless with a loaded weapon, diving headfirst into shallow water, and yes, refusing live-saving vaccines. These are all things that can have deadly consequences, but someone warning you to take the proper precautions is not threatening you.

LC

Ah, I had ‘[something dangerous]’ in those sentences:

“Don’t do [something dangerous] …”

The web parser ate that bit; I forgot it doesn’t like triangle braces.

Roh-Dog

There’s the rub, it ain’t “Don’t do or I’ll kill you” it’s ‘do or I will send armed men to your establishments to relieve you’.

Its that whole ‘concert of the governed’ thing. What the dotgov does to the least of us they do to the whole. (Remember we used to stand on this principle?) This is where we are on the Genetic Code Injections and Gov Accountability fronts.

And don’t patronize me. You’re no better than the lot.

Odie

Vaccine or no Vaccine, nobody gets off this spinning rock alive.

Will the vaccine lengthen your life? Shorten it? Does anybody know?

Are people with differing opinions on the effectiveness of the vaccine easy to find on line? Maybe ask Twitter. They seem to be the gatekeepers to information.

SgtM

Back in the 30’s a group of guys didn’t actually say they were going to kill you. They just gave you a free train ride and a free shower, I guess it was just a coincidence you ended up dead. Go ahead, get on the train or on the bus, it’s just a pedo with a five year old mindset and his minions. What could they possibly do after telling you they are tired of you and you will end up dead. Drink the fake vaccine kool-aid, it is only 60 years till the truth comes out. Government and big pharma have complete immunity, unlike you with the fake vaccine. You is anyone believing what pedo joe and Fauci the fake are pushing. Every day they give us more reasons to doubt every word out of their lie producing mouths.

LC

Are you really drawing a comparison between Joe Biden telling people that if they don’t follow the best medical advice, some will die, and .. the Nazis exterminating Jewish people? In a blog post that starts by (fairly) excoriating Biden and Harris for ridiculous comparisons to Pearl Harbor and 9/11? I’ll just let you think about that for a moment.

As for the vaccine, how about I quote not those evil Democrats, but some guy by the name of Donald J Trump on the vaccine:

“Well, no, the vaccine works. The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don’t take their vaccine.”

That guy, whoever he is, must be in league with Fauci and Biden, I guess.

Roh-Dog

Allow me to present the sage words of one of this blog’s self-identifying Betters:

“I think we can all agree that there is a point where real tyranny is in place, and no other options exist but to resist by force. I also think it’s utterly laughable to think we’re there now. And even then, one shouldn’t be so quick as to misidentify their true enemy simply via political identify.

This is the dangerous road too many are already on -and yes, on both sides- with our fractured politics, where we quickly label large swaths of peaceful people as ‘un-American’ or ‘traitors’ simply because their vision of America is slightly different.”

Still “think it’s utterly laughable to think we’re there now”? He signed the Emergency Order on 13MAR2020 and facilitated this quackery to run amok.

The only ones being ‘peaceful’ at this point are the ones restrained to the side of violence-as-a-last-resort, i.e. not the government.

I swear I’m having the worlds strongest déjà vu as this is at least the second time I’ve had to point this out.

SgtM

I did not bring up Trump, you did. No matter what you and Commisar believe, not everyone is in lock step with Trump like you are with the great medical doctor Fauci the fake. All the people dead from ole faki and his handling of AIDS probably would disagree about his best medical advice. The people skewing the 9-11 and Pearl Harbor facts are the very same pushing a vaccine from a guy who let millions die. A vaccine going to 4 shots here real quick. Not much of a vaccine in my book. You refuse any view but yours, for your sake I hope your right. In 60 years you just might know for sure.

USMC Steve

He should be. the current leftard social democrat party in this country bears a very striking similarity to the Nazis. They have been lying to us daily for almost two years about this whole china virus crap, and I hate to tell you, but mandates have no legal bearing on anyone. That is why daily his bullshit executive orders regarding forced vaccination are getting shoved up his ass by the courts. You buy whatever they hand out apparently because you want to.

Mason

within the constraints of the law

What do you do when those who make and enforce the law are crooked? When the higher authorities have looked into it and taken no action?

At some point good men must right the wrongs. I’ll give you an example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)

Roh-Dog

Keep talking like that, FBI/BATFE/DoD/etc Stasi will PATRIOT ACT you and your dog.

We are occupied. Enjoy it while it lasts.

LC

I think we can all agree that there is a point where real tyranny is in place, and no other options exist but to resist by force. I also think it’s utterly laughable to think we’re there now. And even then, one shouldn’t be so quick as to misidentify their true enemy simply via political identify.

This is the dangerous road too many are already on -and yes, on both sides- with our fractured politics, where we quickly label large swaths of peaceful people as ‘un-American’ or ‘traitors’ simply because their vision of America is slightly different.

timactual

” elected politicians should not fear random violence or death at the hands of a small few of those same governed.”

*sigh*
Straw man, fallacy of the excluded middle, …

Is it a true lack of comprehension, or just mendacity?

LC

I’m not sure I understand – it seemed that VOV was suggesting that the politicians in DC should be fearful of the more violent people who fought police and chanted “Hang Mike Pence” and stuff like that, and I disagreed saying that I don’t think we should celebrate threats of violence towards fellow Americans, politicians or not.

What’s the argument you’re making? Call it a lack of comprehension on my side, if you wish.

USMC Steve

THEY SHOULD BE FEARFUL OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

timactual

” We don’t threaten our fellow, law-abiding and law-making Americans [read Englishmen] with violence.”

So much for the American Revolution. Thanks, but I will stick with TJ.

LC

And, as I replied above to someone who invoked a Nazi comparison (in this blog post about a ridiculous comparison), this is nothing at all like the American Revolution. Not at all.

If your belief is that for any perceived slight or disagreement, we can invoke the words of the founding fathers of this country, then we’re lost. Anything and everything becomes a cause for violence and revolution by simply labeling it ‘tyranny’ and invoking Jefferson.

Roh-Dog

“… this is nothing at all like the American Revolution.”

Yeah. Its WAAAAAAAAYYYYYY worse. At least the British let the colonialists operate their businesses and collect rents.

Fuck you tho. Heart felt.

LC

The insurrection in which zero charges of insurrection were filed and 90% of the participants were charged with nothing more than misdemeanor trespass…

And on this, I’m more uncertain. I used to think that calling it an insurrection -by definition, an act of revolting against an established government- was a ridiculous stretch. But if there is evidence that the violence was whipped up as part of a plan to delay the certification of the electoral votes, and pursue a run-around of the election via strategies seen in the Eastman memo or the 36-page PowerPoint that Meadows provided to the committee, then that’s to me, that seems to generally fit the description of a revolt against the (incoming) government. As even Karl Rove said, would Republicans accept such an extralegal run-around of the Constitution if Biden were to do it? The notion is laughable.

I’ll wait and see what evidence they have. But if that were the case, it’s reasonable enough that those who charged into the Capitol had no knowledge of the underlying plan, and thus simply aren’t guilty of anything more substantive than trespassing and property damage. But it also means there aren’t others higher up who shouldn’t face more severe charges for trying to undo an election via extralegal means.

Sapper3307

timactual

Interesting. Thank you.

Glad to see TJ agrees with me.
This should be required reading, repeatedly, for all those COIN enthusiasts who keep getting us involved where we shouldn’t be; insurgents have legitimate grievances.

Roh-Dog

“…COIN enthusiasts…”

There are a’many in Warshingtun, they’re busy right now applying their chosen craft.

Castle Rock.

Sapper3307

“When the Germans bombed Perl Harbor!”
CoW-Muu-Laa

AW1Ed

Joe’s Handlers’ Administration and the Democratic Party have exactly nothing to run on. I was researching a post on Joe’s first year’s top six items, but the list kept growing and it just got too depressing. Every one was a failure.

So this is what’s left. It’s called “desperation.”

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Right, they have all the House, the Senate, and the Oval Office and they still can’t do anything they set out to do…

Toss in a debacle in Afghanistan, a debacle with the economy…and the mid-terms aren’t looking very good if you have a (D) after your name on the ballot…

As James Carville once famously pointed out (rightly so) when it comes to how America votes, “It’s the economy stupid”

We shall see what this November brings.

Green Thumb

Desperation = misdirection.

They want the public thinking about something else outside their own incompetence and policy failures.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

I didn’t listen to the Joseph Goebbels speech this morning. Listening to it is the same as watching Mr. Goebbels making all those speeches on the History channel plus my late neighbor telling me her stories about being in the Hitler Youth when she was 12 years old.

timactual

Which speech? Unfortunately, there were a number of them, none of which can measure up to such as “..we have nothing to fear but fear itself.” Never in my life did I expect to hear “responsible” American political “leaders” celebrate and justify hysteria and panic.

SgtM

Careful ole LC is going to go after you for the Nazi comment. No matter how pertinent it may be.

Roh-Dog

His/her erudite blather is getting rather shallow and pedantic.

Only Army Mom

I found the single, most telling statement in an NPR article. Quoting Pelosi on the purpose of Democrat’s plan for a full day of events

“to establish and preserve the narrative.”

Once again, they are telling us exactly what they are doing and why, and in the most Orwellian proof, NPR repeats it as if this is other than a horrifying statement.

I’m beginning to wonder how we, as a country, come back from this. Yes, individually and in large swaths of the country people already have. Many, many more are getting glimpses behind the curtain, and are sad, scared and frequently paralyzed with depression and anxiety. Every person I know of who is seeking mental health help is expressing the state of our country as either a contributing or causative factor, which actually gives me hope.

Perhaps the way back is just that…individually, locally, within each person’s three foot sphere. Mind your own, and mind your own.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Pelosi’s words in an of themselves aren’t the most troubling for me, all politicians are self serving wienies much of the time they are in DC and seek to be re-elected or worse “establish a legacy”…

What’s troubling is the notion that a free and independent press is so willingly complicit in promoting that narrative…and that so many of our fellow Americans seem unwilling or unable to ascertain the truth of that reality.

When you can tell people that it’s unsafe for foreign travelers with masks and valid passports to come to the US but it’s perfectly fine for thousands of unmasked disease ridden illegal aliens to cross the border in Texas and California and at least half the people believe you, we are well beyond a tipping point for independent thought and critical thinking skill sets among those fellow Americans.

All politics is local however, and you are right the best move is to fix your local area first and hope that grassroots movement will catch nationwide as others become ever more disenfranchised with their government representatives.

Mason

Which is why the Democrats are pushing so hard to make all politics federal.

timactual

” Every person I know of who is seeking mental health help is expressing the state of our country as either a contributing or causative factor”

Sorry, but I am of the old-fashioned John Wayne school. When faced with hysteria and unreasoning panic I favor a slap on the face and “Snap out of it! Grow up!”.

It’s not mental health help these people need. It’s character building; how to face the real world and act like what used to be thought of as a grownup. But it may be too late for that.

Only Army Mom

timactual-You and I are prone to being equally old fashioned. I’ve stated many times I will only work with kids if I’m allowed to slap the parents. Because slapping patients -or their parents- is frowned upon, I take another tack.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

They can get away with the Pearl Harbor and 9/11 attacks because a large amount of people never heard of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 depending on their age. Tell that to all the ones that never survived Pearl and 9/11. RIP LODD to all and Capt. Terry Hatten FDNY R-1, FF Kenny “Igor” Marino FDNY R-1 also RIP post 9/11 LODD, FDNY John Elgis, Billy Quick and LBFD Mike Ornauer. All above were members of the FDNY and LBFD Vollies.

MarineDad61

Is anyone surprised that the Democrats can sink this low????
I’m not.
They’ve done it BEFORE, in lesser but significant ways.

Over 100,000 good Americans went to D.C on January 6, 2021
to see their favorite President,
and be witness to President Trump’s last rally and speech in office.

It only took 2% in attendance to ruin the day, ruin the event,
ruin the GOP narrative of true accomplishments,
and give Democrats this kind of live ammo for the foreseeable future.

2% knuckleheads with manure for brains playing checkers in a chess game.

This is why I believe everyone among the 2% who fought police at barricades,
pushed through damaged doors,
climbed through smashed out windows,
got their photo op selfies on the Senate floor or Congressional offices,
or stole themselves some handy Capitol mementos and souvenirs,
deserve a little lonely time in the pokey.
And the legal and court costs.

rgr769

Except, where is the prosecution of those rioting at the BLM riots in 2020? They burned entire blocks of buildings, committed mayhem and murder, repeatedly tried to burn down a federal courthouse, and set fire to a historic church few hundred yards from the White House. But we have a Vice President who supports their crimes.

ninja

The VP’s Parents met in 1962 at the Afro American Assiciation, which was a Students’ Group at Berkeley.

The Members went on to propose Kwanzee and help establish the Black Panther Party.

Anyone else beside the ninja family remembers the Black Panther Party?

😉😎

MarineDad61

rgr769,
I will no longer argue 2020 apples and 2021 oranges here.
That said… many from 2020 are indeed charged, convicted, and either jailed or heavily fined.
We all see stories about Dem DAs in some places letting them off.
I get it.
Also, much of it is delayed,
just like you’re seeing Jan 6 prosecution delays now.
If you go look for it, you’ll find plenty of it.
Good luck.

rgr769

Bullshit. I have seen the video footage of the riots and read the reports where the prosecutors have either dropped charges against the offenders or let them plead to minor charges, especially in Portland. There is no DOJ website of photos and screenshots of those rioters and requests that the public try to ID them. Moreover, none of them were subject to FBI Stasi raids at 4:00 am.

MarineDad61

rgr769,
Seeing is believing. Google lays it out,
at least for those who deploy the Fu of Google.
Enjoy!
https://www.google.com/search?q=2020+portland+rioter+sentenced

David

One whole rioter in Portland. Wow… And he is a rightwinger, too. Must not have had any left-wing it’s doing anything criminal.

MarineDad61

I counted 5 sentenced
on Google results Page 1 alone.
Go check again.
Enjoy!!

SFC D

5. Out of how many? Yeah, that’ll show ‘em!

MarineDad61

SFC D,
5 is not 1.
That’s only for page 1.
Try page 2.
Then 3.
Enjoy!

USMC Steve

You failed to mention that most of the people who entered the THE PEOPLE’S capitol building after being invited and ushered in by the capitol fake popo were false flag operators who were identified by facial recognition as antifa, blm, and FBI operatives or agents. That particular fact does not get given much press by the propaganda media. Absolutely nothing about the handling of the “tresspassers” has been either constitutional or above board. but hey, it is the socialist dems running this kabuki theater.

MarineDad61

USMC Steve,
That is simply UNTRUE
for ALL the knuckleheads in my county,
and all surrounding counties, now totaling 10.

ninja

*Yawn* for Biden, Harris, Nancy, CNN..

All they did was make more folks vote for another party besides the DemoRats for the upcoming 2022 elections…

Didn’t we disciss Stupidity yesterday?

Bring It. On.

gabn/hbtd/rtr

😉😎

MarineDad61

ninja,
I agree.
GOP voters have more reason than ever to come out and vote at midterms.
I expect many Dem voters to snooze instead of vote, as has happened before.
Certain Democrat Congressmen, Senators, and even some state Governors
are in for a November surprise.

Poetrooper

Dems don’t have to come out and vote.

The Party does it for them…

A Proud Infidel®™

Dead people ALWAYS vote D-rat in droves.

A Proud Infidel®™️

I refuse to watch or listen to Joepedo or “Heels in the Air” Harris speak simply because the last time I did so, I swear I felt my IQ points dropping! Joepedo and Harris have NO accomplishments during their time in Office thus they bray and screech about Donald Trump, which to me is the mark of a total LOSER.

ninja

May we please make an observation?

We have different personalities/opinions commenting on TAH.

We have our fair share of disagreements amongst commentors.

In the end, however, we live in a Country that we can do this…on TAH…express our viewpoints amongst one another..WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS.

There are always two sides to that durn coin. Sometimes, having those debates can be healthy.

Let’s not let Politians ruin our lives. Use your Rights, i.e. your Voting Rights, Your 1st Amendment Rights to determine who will run our Nation.

One’s Party will never win Forever. We will always have our Ups and Downs. History demonstrates that.

Just don’t let “Bad” History repeat itself.

Because if we do, those Rights WILL be taken away.

We personally do not want to live under a Stalin Regime. That Man was more Evil than Hitler.

Thanks.

timactual

I’m trying! I’m trying! But it’s difficult when you can only vote once.

USMC Steve

Become a socialist democrat. They get to vote early and often. At least in the blue states. Not so much in free America.

David

How many killed at Pearl Harbor? What did it take to drive the enemy away?

How many killed 9/11?

How many killed Janueary 6th?

By now, I’m surprised their hyperbole hasn’t expanded to include all the highway deaths that day as ‘insurrection-related.’

Anonymous

Hey, Andrew Cuomo killed more New Yorkers than Osama bin Laden and that doesn’t matter ’cause he’s a Democrat.

5JC

Its not about how many killed its about how many bad feels the Democrats had about it. While they don’t care at all about WWII they care about themselves a whole lot.

Anybody else find it strange that the only members of congress that actually fought the protestors were Republican?

Commie-Tsar

ORANGE. MAN. BAD.
NO. MEAN. TWEETS.

Roh-Dog

The only mean tweet is that festering wound between your legs.

This comment brought to you by Jefferson’s Bourbon.

5JC

If by Confederate flags they mean one idiot from Delaware (If Biden had a grandson not from a stripper) then ye[ they were there. Not sure what a Confederate sympathizer is doing up North but what is being done to root the rest of them out?

Poetrooper

A bit of wisdom sent to ol’ Poe in another of Boomer’s mailings that seems apropos to this discussion:

The world seems to be dividing into two camps:

Those who can’t fathom the idea that their own governments would weaponize crises to systematically take away liberties bit by bit;

And those who have read history…

Roh-Dog

I pray wholeheartedly for the former to lift their heads from the muck as I am firmly in the camp of the latter, austere and lonely as it may be.

Run me through with bayonet, for I am not worth of a land of this skullduggery.

Bang on, Patriots. Bang on.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Well waking up this AM and getting outside to do some personal snow removal the last thing I expected to see when I sat down to take a peek at the day’s news here was a rather robust take on a few of my comments…

That said, it’s good to see a vigorous exchange between like minded and opposing minded fellow veterans.

I realize my world view is typically at odds with both the R and D tribes on a fairly regular basis…

I’m not a fan of the statists in either party and these days there are far too many statists in both party for any significant change to become reality in this nation. My definition of statists in both parties is simple and follows along with Heinlein’s assessment of the nature of people being simple those who wish to control their neighbors for the “greater good” and those who have no such desire…there are far too many of the former and not nearly enough of the latter in our society today. You can see it in the comments on social media everywhere.

As always I truly appreciate everyone’s input regarding my thoughts either pro or con…you all keep me honest and thoughtful about my current mindset and that is a rare thing these days.

Be well, stay safe in this weather, and enjoy your weekend folks!

LC

My definition of statists in both parties is simple and follows along with Heinlein’s assessment of the nature of people being simple those who wish to control their neighbors for the “greater good” and those who have no such desire.

I very much respect and appreciate principled positions on things, irrespective of political party. However, the problem so often is that the words that embody our principles tend to be under-defined, and that’s where all the problems arise.

For example, take ‘freedom’ – some of the same people trumpeting personal freedom will reverse that position when it comes to, say, legalizing marijuana or other drugs. It’s not necessarily the principle at stake, it’s simply a facet of it. I understand you’re neither in the R or D camp, so perhaps you truly stand on the principle of ‘freedom’, irrespective of complicating factors, I don’t know. More to your direct point, or my skepticism of it, the notion of control seems central – but also poorly defined. Some argue the vaccine push is all about ‘control’ of a population, and others say it’s just standard public health/safety. Is someone a ‘statist’ if they work for the state but have no desire to control, and simply see these measures as necessary to the public health?

And, if you oppose that, do you also oppose things we’re used to, like speed limits, which impose limits on individuals.. but are there, in theory, to ensure the safety of others?

LC

Welp, that was supposed to be a reply to VOV above.

Roh-Dog

“However, the problem so often is that the words that embody our principles tend to be under-defined, and that’s where all the problems arise.”

One again, you’re lofty words and inability to reason, or argue from an honest place, strike again: There IS NO “Public Health”, and no reasonable expectation of one. There is only Individual Health and that is a personal task.

Say ‘speed limit’ one more fucking time, you dunce.

I’ll ask you once again: qui modo?

LC

Speed limit.

Roh-Dog

Well played.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I’m not so naive that I can’t comprehend the concept of a societal obligation to my fellow Americans. My concerns always lies in who is drawing the line on what constitutes an obligation versus what constitutes an infringement upon an existing right. I am also not naive enough to believe there won’t be overlapping issues between a societal obligation necessary to the proper operation of a federal entity versus my personal desire to be largely left alone. Regarding vaccines I should state clearly having grown up in the polio era I’m rather pro-vaccine. I am however also against government mandates for vaccines for private employers. Regarding the federal level a case could easily be made that if one were actually following the science mandating a vaccine for people under 50 is a waste of valuable vaccine resources as this disease primarily kills people in my age range of 60+ and especially 75+…while largely not killing hardly anyone under 49 and less than a 1,000 under 18… The problem with freedom is that so many people don’t understand the absolute freedom to succeed often means the absolute freedom to fail, sometimes spectacularly to include one’s own death. When it comes to vaccines an even simpler question is this, do you own your body or does the government? Can you be compelled to inject something against your will into your body? Because if you can it’s easy to argue you are not in fact a free person but property of the US Government and not at all able to decide for yourself what to do with your own body. That’s not really a definition of freedom. I carry that same philosophy into the abortion arena where those who like my views on vaccines tend to disagree with my thoughts on abortion. If I can not be compelled to save your life by surrendering a kidney that’s an exact match for the one you need and I can simply let you die how do we justify forcing a woman to save the life of a child she has zero interest in saving? Those… Read more »

xyzzy

Look, what happened at the Federal Capitol was wrong. It wasn’t the American Revolution. More like the Whiskey Rebellion, or the Confederate sedition.

We have an obligation to the public good. Vaccine mandates are constitutional; there is 117 years of case law to back that up. I’ve posted a link on that before. You can say that there shouldn’t be a mandate, but the law allows for it. There’s a reason why we have smoking bans; sidestream smoke endangers others’ health. It’s the same way with vaccine mandates; there is no right to be a Typhoid Mary.

Now…if you want to change things, you have that right; we all do. However, hysterical claims of upcoming tyranny because you have to wear a mask at Wal-Mart are not the way to do it. Comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust are profoundly offensive and put people off you. I’m guessing most of you protested seat belt mandates back in the 1980s, right? Or airport security rules that were created after 9/11?

Here, lemme tell you a story about a country. See if you can guess which one. No, I won’t give it to you…really guess, m’kay? In this country the media is heavily censored; all industry is nationalized; necessities are rationed; carpools are mandatory to drive anywhere, and you can’t buy a new car. Give up? I just described the United States in the year 1943. We put up with this sacrifice as it was necessary to preserve our Nation. Those restrictions were repealed at war’s end. It’ll be the same way with vaccine mandates – they’ll be lifted when no longer needed.

As for me, I’m going shopping tomorrow…fully vaccinated and masked, of course. 🤙🏼

ninja

“I just described the United States in the year 1943…”

Look what FDR did to the LOYAL Japanese Americans in 1943. Internment Camps.

“As,for me, I’m going shopping tomorrow…fully vaccinated and masked, of course”.

Go For It. That is YOUR CHOICE. As in FREEEDOM OF CHOICE.

We go the stores all the time, MINUS masks and only one of us has been vaccinated with 2 shots about a year ago…We are DONE…NO BOOSTERS..THAT IS OUR CHOICE.

We both are not overweight. We both do not have any underlying diseases. We eat healthly. We exercise. We take care of ourselves physically, mentally AND Spiritually. We work. And we are up there in age.

“There’s a reason why we have smoking bans; sidestream smoke endangers others’ health.”

Sure it does. My parents smoked Camel Non-Filter cigarettes nonstop around us when we were growing up. In a car as well. Then I went to College where folks smoked to include the Instructor in a Closed Classroom. And don’t get me started about working inside Army Buldings with Smokers.

You would think I would be dead today at my age because of all that exposure to Smoke.

“There is no right to be a Typhoid Mary.”

Wow. What a Statement.

You sound as if you are paronoid. Don’t know your age, but do tell me.

Do you meet your BMI for your height/weight/age?

Do you have a life?

Do you exercise?

Do you take medication?

Do you drink alcohol?

Do you eat junk food?

Do you have a family?

Do you live in one of the 50 States?

Do you speed?

ninja

I was being SARCASTIC when I wrote this:

“Sure it does. My parents smoked Camel Non-Filter cigarettes nonstop around us when we were growing up. In a car as well. Then I went to College where folks smoked to include the Instructor in a Closed Classroom. And don’t get me started about working inside Army Buldings with Smokers.”

“You would think I would be dead today at my age because of all that exposure to Smoke.”

Roh-Dog

Some people would like to swaddle themselves in Hugo Boss, if for no other reason but to Viel Spaß beim Zeitgewinnen.

And they’ll drag any singular logic to sledgehammer freedoms to justify their tyrannical fear, misdirected at us.

‘I took this almost useless sauce. You will to! zieg hail’

Poetrooper

xyzzy says, “Vaccine mandates are constitutional; there is 117 years of case law to back that up. I’ve posted a link on that before. You can say that there shouldn’t be a mandate, but the law allows for it.”

Well, xyzzy, apparently some federal appeals court judges disagree with your layman’s legal certainty:

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/sixth-circuit-deals-another-blow-to-contractor-mandate

SgtM

Just like his buddy he makes up stuff and glosses over the facts. Name calling is all they got ….. signed, COVID Mary.

SgtM

You are a liar. Just google 1941 -1945 Ford or even Chevrolet. They were selling these during the war years. The dems started the Holocaust comparisons yesterday after the crap show. So now were Typhoid Marys. What a bunch of malarkey like ole pedo said yesterday. Draw a circle on the chalkboard and put your nose in it Francis.

A Proud Infidel®™️

“…all industry is nationalized…”
Complete horseshit, industry was still in private hands despite much of the output being controlled by the War Production Board.
As to you braying about wearing your mask, okay so you’re a loyal Branch Covidian complying with Fauci propaganda.

Commie-Tsar

The Commissariat agrees with you, Comrade!

Our Struggle to make this a socialist utopia will succeed!

Poetrooper

xyzzy says, “However, hysterical claims of upcoming tyranny because you have to wear a mask at Wal-Mart are not the way to do it. Comparing vaccine mandates to the Holocaust are profoundly offensive and put people off you.”

But you comparing January 6th to the Civil War is totally legit, right, whiz?

Good grief–talk about a total lack of self awareness. Not to mention irony…

Roh-Dog

I doubt the genderqueers are willing or able to pick up the Springfields for Part 2: Electric Boogaloo.

“Men” that would cast words like that, and would gladly back them up with someone else’s all, are no men at all.

Concern ourselves with half-men? Naw, I got better things to do.

I’m done with these clowns.

Poetrooper

xyzzy says, “As for me, I’m going shopping tomorrow…fully vaccinated and masked, of course. 🤙🏼”

Well aren’t you just so very, very special?

Sheez! 😷🙄😷🙄😷

Roh-Dog

Purse shopping.

Poetrooper

Touché…

Skivvy Stacker

To put it in simple English:

I should not have to fear my government.

My government should have to fear ME.