Weekend Open Thread

| October 23, 2020

He actually said this.

The support I see for BLM, on social media, appear to come from Democrats. They are the same side of the argument that wants to increase restrictions on obtaining and using a firearm. Enjoy your weekend.

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  1. 5th/77th FA says:


  2. Commissioner Wretched says:

    Darn if I didn’t get here on time and STILL find the King of Battle in his customary FIRST position! All hail KoB!! I bow with respect to your first-ness!

    In supplication I offer the weekly trivia column, on time for once. Enjoy!

    Was a professional baseball player also a spy during World War II?
    By Commissioner Wretched

    Halloween is coming!

    Now, whether or not traditional trick-or-treating will be permitted during this (seemingly never-ending) COVID-19 nonsense is still up in the air, but I thought I’d go ahead and let you know what I’m thinking of as far as a costume for this year.

    I have narrowed it down to two things:

    A white sweatshirt with different colored dots, so I can be a game of Twister; or

    A cardboard box covered with a tablecloth and a lampshade for my head, as a “one nightstand.” Interpret that any way you want.

    I’d ask for your votes in e-mail, but let’s be realistic – I’m 62 years old. I should be handing out candy, not dressing up. Of course, I probably won’t do that either, since I’m also something of a cheapskate.

    What I will do is offer you some trivia, right now!

    Did you know …

    … police dogs are trained to react to commands in a foreign language? The idea, of course, is so that the criminal can’t order the dog off of them. Many languages are used, but German is the most common. (And learning German just to avoid police dogs won’t help – with the luck most crooks have, the dog will know Russian.)

    … polygamy is legal in Iran? In that nation, a man can marry up to four wives. Once married, an Iranian girl can no longer go to high school. The legal age for marriage in Iran is 15 for boys and 13 for girls. (Just what any man needs – four mothers-in-law.)

    … during the Civil War, battlefield news was delayed in reaching the President? As the war progressed, President Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) had to go across the street from the White House to the War Department for the latest battlefield news. The reason? There was no telegraph in the White House.

    … a professional baseball player was actually a spy? Moe Berg (1902-1972) was a catcher for five different teams between 1923 and 1939. A brilliant man, he was never more than a mediocre ballplayer. During his last few years in the game, while playing for the Washington Senators, Berg arranged a couple of All-Star tours to Japan. While there, Berg took home movies of Tokyo and other cities, movies he shared with the War Department after the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941. After his playing days ended, Berg became a coach for the Boston Red Sox. In that capacity, he also spent time doing intelligence work for the U.S. government, working in the Caribbean, South America, and later in Europe. Additional trivia note: Berg was asked numerous times to write his memoirs, but turned down all of them except one. In 1960, he began work with a co-writer, but the project collapsed when the co-writer thought he’d be working with another Moe – Moe Howard (1897-1975), of the Three Stooges. (What’s one Moe, Moe or less?)

    … cats are directly responsible for the extinction of at least 33 species of birds? (Well, at least they were tasty, right, kitty?)

    … if you sleep with a snorer, you’re losing about an hour of sleep a night? Studies have shown that a non-snoring partner is awakened by the snorer about 20 times per night, adding up to about an hour of lost sleep each night. (Waking up the snorer each time you wake up takes about an hour of their sleep, too, so it all balances.)

    … Americans throw out 4.5 pounds of trash per day? That’s the average, of course, but what makes it significant is that the figure is twice what it was in 1980. (Does that mean that we generate that much more trash, or that so much more of our lifestyle is disposable?)

    … the only time the sky on Mars is blue is at sunset? Normally, the day on Mars features a somewhat smaller-looking Sun in a primarily orange sky, due to the amount of red dust that’s in the planet’s thin atmosphere. But at sunset, according to color photos sent back by Mars rover spacecraft, the dust particles scatter more blue light than anything else. In fact, as the Sun sets on Mars, it is normally surrounded by a blue halo. (Isn’t science wonderful?)

    … there is a reason you never see anyone actually drinking a beer in a beer commercial? The reason is, the breweries themselves don’t allow it. Legally it’s permitted to show the product being consumed, but the alcohol industry doesn’t want what happened to the tobacco industry to happen to it. Tobacco companies showed their products being used and targeted ads toward everyone, even children – and since 1971, tobacco cannot be advertised in any broadcast medium. The beer companies don’t want that, so they don’t allow consumption of the product to be shown. (Folks drink it before and after the commercial, just like everybody else.)

    … ethanol is both a blessing and a curse? The alcohol derived from corn offers a less costly alternative to oil, and it is regularly mixed with gasoline. That’s the blessing. The curse comes about because corn requires a tremendous amount of space in which to grow, so there’s a negative impact on the environment. (Science giveth, and science taketh away, I suppose.)

    … there are over 10 million bricks in New York’s Empire State Building? (Not that I actually counted them all, you know. I would quickly lose my place, around the third floor or so.)

    … the average person is about a quarter of an inch taller at night? (And probably a few pounds heavier as well, right?)

    Now … you know!

    • Buckeye Jim says:

      Moe Berg was also a gifted linguist—he could speak several languages. A baseball pundit (Casey Stengel, maybe) said,
      “Berg could speak seven languages but couldn’t hit in any of them.”

    • ninja says:


      Thought Polygamy was legal in other Countries as well ?


      Thank You again for the Trivia!

      • Commissioner Wretched says:

        It is … I specifically mentioned Iran because of the other two items – the age to get married and the fact that a girl has to quit school when she does so. And the four mothers-in-law was just the icing on the cake.

      • rgr769 says:

        Polygamy is legal in most Muslim countries because their primary religious book says having up to four wives is Allah’s plan. I guess Mighty Mo was an amateur when compared to Brigham Young’s 23 wives. But then Mo had all those captured female slaves he could rape.

    • Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH B Woodman says:

      “if you sleep with a snorer”
      This is why I sleep with a pillow over my head, to block out (her) light and sound.
      (she doesn’t go to sleep until after midnight)

    • David says:

      no wonder the Iranians are so pissy…. that is cruel and unusual punishments most places.

      • KoB says:

        Another FIRST Class job on the trivia CW, you da Man! And always, a Time on Target delivery, muchly appreciated by all. Who do you like for the World Series? Asking for Pete, he may want to make a small wager.

        My plan for Beg-O-Ween is to be at the K Roger Store FIRST thing in the morning after to get me a deal on enough candy to last until Valentines Day. They normally run a 75% off deal.

        It’s odd that so many liberals and wimmins are latching onto the whole mooselem thing when that religion is one of the MOST oppressive to wimmins. And DAAAAAAAYYUUUM I understand having more than 1 wife but not at one time. Help me Lawd, Hab mercy!

        But then again, on the subject of the Open Thread, I find it hard that so many people seem to be rushing toward a Socialistic and or Communistic form of Government here. When our form of Government falls, dumbasses, there will no longer be a Free Sh^t Army. Your days of being a useful idiot are over.

        • Commissioner Wretched says:

          The Series? When the Cubs were knocked out of the playoffs, I pulled for the Braves … now with both gone, I hope the Rays win. I simply don’t like the Dodgers.

          • KoB says:

            ^Word^ CW! I don’t follow very much of it at all, but was surprised the Braves made some playoffs, but NOT surprised when they choked and blew it…AGAIN! SnL’s lawer firm has season tickets to all the Rays’ games and there is a good chance he and my Grandchildren will make a game or 3. His lawer firm does a lot of the legal work for the Tampa Teams of every sport.

        • UpNorth says:

          KoB, they think they’ll be the ones in charge, therefore, they’ll be the ones still getting the Free Sh^t.

    • Devtun says:

      Coyotes & birds of prey treat cats like popcorn chicken.

    • Thunderstixx says:

      Ethanol is a bucket of shit in a fancy wrapper.
      It takes thousands of gallons of water to distill one hundred gallons of ethanol, it cannot be reclaimed as it contains chemicals that require it to be treated as sewage and not just grey water…..
      Ethanol it is hard on fuel injectors, valves and piston heads and rings. It’s wrecked way more than one engine.
      The subsidies for ethanol are what Archer Daniel Midland used to build multi million dollar plants across the corn belt to produce ethanol. The corn being used for ethanol was used for feed for livestock.
      Basically, the rise in ethanol production reduced the feed availability for cattle, poultry and hogs thereby increasing the cost of meat for the consumer.
      Ethanol in gasoline cuts mileage as much as 15% so the same ten gallons of non-ethanol fuel will still take you farther than about 12 gallons of ethanolized fuel.
      Small engines hate ethanol, a lot of these throwaway Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engines could last for years longer than they will with ethanol in the fuel.
      It’s like the windmills, there is nothing green about wind power. The oil required to build them, by the time you build one there are well over fifty thousand gallons of fuel just to get the parts ready. And want to talk about the rare Earth metals and the strip mining that was outlawed in the US back in the 60’s, they now come from China and the Chicoms are raising the prices every day…..
      I wonder if the big guy is getting his 50% out of that ?????
      Windmills kill millions of birds, many of the Raptor type birds are especially vulnerable as the birds fly at higher altitudes than songbird and they don’t scan the sky in front of them when hunting, they are always looking down at the ground and cannot see the blades turning at high speeds when you figure the speed of the blades at the end Vs the speed at the hub. Like a chopper blade, the thump thump thump you hear is actually the sound barrier being broken at the end of the chopper blades.
      The green revolution is a big bunch of bull shit like has never existed in the annals of civilization… Ever…

      • Thunderstixx says:

        Don’t tell anyone, but Trump is leading in Texas by over 7 points…..
        Keep it a secret, nobody is supposed to know !!!

      • Graybeard says:

        The ethanol scam still makes me angry.

        The wind farm scam as well.

        • 5th/77th FA says:

          Spot on T’stixx nailed it. And yep, Graybeard ditto. ADM has made a bloody fortune on that scam, and is continuing to do so. I forget how much real gasoline it takes to make a gallon of E85 but it’s a bunch as ‘Stixx pointed out. I don’t burn it in my vehicles, at all, even when driving out there in the mid-west. Old boy down the road a piece sells 96 octane real gas, no ethanol at all. It’s a little more spendy per gallon, but my engines love it. And they’re worth it!

          • A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

            The one good thing about E85 fuel is that if your engine is built to use it, a tankful of it every now and then will clean the injectors and burn the soot deposits out.

  3. KoB says:

    (In His Best Tarzan voice as he thumps away) AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHauauauauauauauauauauauaAHUhuhuhuhuhhuhuUaUaUaUaUaUauauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!

    The KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Talk about THAT ya bunchcha wigwag flag waving we CAN talk about ya AND without cha wimps!

    FIRST By GUM to the King of Battle THE King of FIRSTs for the Friday TAH Weekend Open Thread! AGAIN!!!!!!! And weren’t even trying.

    Gimme back my crown!…and some liniment ointment for these sore pecs…and have a meat loaf sammich on cat heads with a Yuengling…ON ME!

  4. Anonymous says:

    Left/libtards prove both J. Edgar Hoover and Joe McCarthy were right.

  5. The Stranger says:

    Top 10

  6. Skippy says:

    TOP 10

  7. Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH B Woodman says:

    Top 20?

  8. ChipNASA says:

    *genuflects to the King of Firsts*

    “Your Magister…”

    (I is yer Chipster servent)

  9. Another LEO ignoring the Fergison effect and shooting into a car out in Waukegen Ill killing a person in the car. Claims the car was backing up.

  10. NHSparky says:

    And another roadie ended, at least for the weekend. Back on the road Monday.

    Whatever happened to that whole, “stay at home” bullshit? Oh, that’s only for people too rich to work or who depend on us working stiffs to fund them. Gotcha.

    • NHSparky says:

      I’d be laughing my balls off at the irony if he wasn’t actually seriously a candidate for it.

    • Hack Stone says:

      Hack never thought he would see “Bernie Sanders” in the same sentence as “labor”, but it has been a strange year.

    • Sapper3307 says:

      The wheel are turning to replace Bernie if he get’s a new “job” (hahaha). It looks like Vermont’s governor (semi RINO) gets to pick the replacement.

    • David says:

      There was a famous exchange when Sargent Shriver was named in the ’60s as the head of the War on Poverty… supposedly Bobbie asked him “so what the hell do you know about poverty?”
      (For you youngsters, Shriver came from generations of blue-blood wealth.)

  11. Oct 23rd 1983 was the Beirut Barracks bombing.

  12. Sapper3307 says:

    ARMY Pimp gets forty (40) years to ponder the error of his ways.

  13. Graybeard says:

    Top 30, I ‘spose.

    Cool front blew through the GB Compound AO early afternoon, bringing a much-needed 1.25″+ of rain.

    With the cooler temps I got out to do some scouting & set up a game camera, as well as see if any squirrels were in those thrashing pines. Saw one, but never got a clear shot.

    Did fair on my pistol drills this week but need more practice (and hence, more ammo!). With school in session we’ve not come up with a new schedule to work with the grandkids on their shooting – but I found a stash of .22LR that may let me run them through some targets this weekend if their schedules allow.

    Y’all have a great weekend. Don’t take a single day for granted, or put off calling family and friends to keep in touch. Second chances are never guaranteed.

    • Graybeard says:

      Update – got 2 grandkids out today with a .22 semi-auto pistol

      Granddaughter #2’s 2nd time on the pistol, from bench at 10′, had a nice cluster in the black with one solid X, and only about 3 flyers in the edge of the target.

      Grandson #3 wanted the target moved out to 25′, and didn’t do quite as good. Often low-left, but all on the paper.

      Both review follow the 4 Rules safety steps, when they finished a string of fire they left the pistol open w/mag out while we checked their results. They do just about all of their own loading and preparing the pistol to fire.

      Found out that Grandson #2’s eyesight is horrible – why he was having such issues when we tried to teach him. Eldest 2 grandkids do pretty good, but are more interested in college & learning to drive right now…

  14. A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

    Thirty-sump’n and Honorary First once again.


  15. The Other Whitey says:

    For those interested.


  16. Devtun says:

    Enrique Marquez Jr., who supplied weapons in the San Bernardino shooting that left 14 people dead & 22 wounded is sentenced to 20 yrs in prison.


  17. RGR 4-78 says:

    Stump The Claw

    ——– —–
    GASOLINE ——-

    My apologies for being late to the show, got distracted by the granddaughter, doing 4 wheeler rides.

    • Claw says:

      Quadrant Globe
      Gasoline Lantern (Coleman)

    • Claw says:

      RGR, am I supposed to answer these or are they for the Weeds/Weedettes to try and track down?

      • RGR 4-78 says:

        Both, these are things that come into my possession and have NSN or other government numbers on them. You are the resident expert.
        The lantern was given to me about a year ago, cleaned it up, just something to hang on the wall and look at.
        Picked up and old Shakespeare fishing lure this morning, did not know that Shakespeare even made fishing lures.
        Saw an old Indian Tank and hose clamp for sale this morning, passed on them, I have NO fond memories of the Indian Tank.

  18. ninja says:

    You Be The Judge:

    “Joe Buck: Fox Will ‘Find Out’ The Culprit Behind Flyover Leak Controversy”


    “Fox is investigating who leaked a clip of NFL broadcasters Joe Buck and Troy Aikman talking about military flyovers before Sunday’s Packers-Buccaneers game — comments Buck says weren’t actually caught on hot mics and were taken out of context.”

    “This was before our rehearsal … it was clipped by someone along the chain. … They are narrowing down who clipped and sold it,” Buck said on his “Daddy Issues” podcast, telling co-host Oliver Hudson that the network is investigating the incident after the clip drew backlash from people who thought he and Aikman were mocking the military.”

    “They will find out who it is because that specific shot of that flyover, which I personally thought was old and a tape … it was actually live but it was not a Fox shot. They know whose shot that was and it was well before the game.”

    “Buck explains that he and Aikman were reiterating comments made by people on their crew at a dinner the night before, clarifying that the two were mocking those two people and not the military.”

    • Sapper3307 says:

      Wiggle wiggle wiggle.

    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

      Joe Buck is nowhere in the same class of a broadcaster as his late father. He’s so full of shit that his eyes are brown.

      Both him and Aikman are cocksuckers for their bullshit.

  19. ninja says:

    You Be The Judge:

    “Sean Worsley, Black Disabled Veteran Arrested For Medical Marijuana, Gets Parole”


    “…Alabama Board of Pardons and Paroles granted parole on Wednesday for Worsley. Worsley served in the Iraq War where he received a Purple Heart. Unfortunately, he also returned from the war with injuries and chronic PTSD, which he treated with legally prescribed marijuana in his home state of Arizona…”

  20. ninja says:

    You Be The Judge:

    “Judge Permits Former Army Colonel’s Sex Assault Case Against Joint Chiefs No 2”


    “A federal judge on Thursday refused to dismiss a lawsuit alleging the vice chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff sexually assaulted a former top aide during a Southern California trip.”

    “Air Force Gen. John Hyten has denied the allegations brought by former Army Col. Kathryn Spletstoser that he attacked her during a December 2017 trip to attend the Reagan National Defense Forum at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, northwest of Los Angeles.”

    “At the time, Hyten commanded the United States Strategic Command, known at STRATCOM.”

    “Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald in Los Angeles rejected defense motions to dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction or to move the case to Nebraska, where STRATCOM is based.”

    “However Hyten, who was confirmed last September as the nation’s second highest-ranking military officer, flatly denied Spletstoser’s claims during his confirmation hearing.”

    “Spletstoser served in the Army for 28 years and carried out four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Her assault and sexual battery lawsuit alleged that while staying at a hotel during the Simi Valley trip, Hyten grabbed her, kissed her, fondled her buttocks and rubbed himself against her.”

    “The lawsuit was amended from an original complaint that alleged Hyten sexually assaulted her at least nine times in 2017, including during trips to California, London, South Korea and elsewhere and that he retaliated against for refusing his advances by harming her career and eventually forcing her to retire.”

    • Devtun says:

      The colonel is full of it IMO. Probably upset she didn’t make general officer. The protection detail for the STRATCOM commander is so strict that the 4 star officer essentially lives in a gilded cage. He/She is not permitted to be alone w/ anyone other than immediate family members, the POTUS, SECDEF, CJCS, and a small number of other very senior officials. A couple republican senators brought this up at Gen Hyten’s confirmation hearing.

  21. Skippy says:

    Nothing like the media playing games with the news cycle, per the link from a CBS reporter
    Next time do what you say your going to do
    And stop talking shit… if there is a next time

  22. ninja says:

    You Be The Judge.

    Here is how the article ended:

    “Changes like these often elicit groans from old-timers, soldiers and veterans who lament that basic training has become “soft” since their time there.”

    “It’s not getting softer,” Hibbard said. “I would say we’re adapting to environmental conditions right now during a pandemic and the outcomes are actually positive. They still have to do every single task the old BCT did, we just reordered them and changed the way we’re instructing them.”

    “Two-Star Wants To Ease The Civilian-To-Soldier Transition During Army Basic Training”


    • Skippy says:

      I’m so confused now we are back to 2 week
      On covid lock down per CDC and WHO
      it shouldn’t exceed 7 days max
      Our experts our idiots
      And are worse at making up there minds
      Then a $&@$)

  23. Retired Grunt says:

    That is NOT a very good tactical position, especially if she is really pissed.

  24. Claw says:

    Question for the younger crowd of Soldiers. Was this something that you ever came to use in garrison at the rifle range?:

    Practice Bolt (M16/M4) for Plastic Ammunition M862 (5.56)

    Was this something the Army monkeyed with or was it sort of an Air Force thing?

    Army TM 9-6920-746-12&P (9 Sep 86) and Air Force TO 11W3-5-5-31. There was a Marine Corps TM6920-12&P, but it was deleted by a Change in 1992.

    Thanks for any input.

    • Claw says:

      Disregard, after conducting a little research, I see this was something not intended to be used at the rifle range, but at limited close quarters battle drill facilities.

      Admins, you can delete this comment if you want./s

      • The Stranger says:

        I’m not sure if it’s the same part (probably not) but we were issued modified bolts for our rifles to fire practice ammo for battle drills in clearing buildings when I went through Basic in 2011. One of the guys in my squad shot a Drill Sergeant in an adjacent building during the exercise when he saw movement in a window. It was like getting hit with a souped up paintball from the sounds of it. Hey, you take your laughs where you can get them.

        • Claw says:

          From what I’ve read, that is the same part. The bolt is modified to grasp the slightly smaller casing of the plastic round and it changes the function of the weapon from being gas operated to a blow back feature when the plastic ammo is used.

          Thankx for responding.

          • rgr769 says:

            I think this bolt is for what is known as a simunition. The 9mm rounds have been used for years by police forces in training. It is essentially a 9mm paint ball round. I guess the Army has something similar for the M-4/M-16. They can only be used with body armor, face shields and goggles, cuz they could definitely shoot out an eye.

            Google “simunition” and you can get to the company’s website the makes the stuff along with the gun parts to shoot it.

  25. OWB says:

    Sometimes reading the comments from the bottom instead of the top can be very entertaining. Usually it just means less scrolling, but occasionally it’s something akin to what I imagine early onset Alzheimer’s might be.

    • MarineDad61 says:

      Try FakeBook.
      A combination of the user transition to cellphones,
      and the FakeBook app (and now New FakeBook website also)
      ensures that scrolling post comments is a real chore now,
      worse then ever,
      and more and more folks immediately mash the gorilla glass
      before bothering to read any of the comments.

      • OWB says:

        Think I’ll pass on that experience. Not quite that bored yet.

        We live in an area relatively untouched by this China virus thingy. Even so, several of my favorite haunts have closed permanently, others temporarily, a museum with which I am associated delayed it’s reopening (closed due to pre-China virus water damage), and reduced hours of operation of a multitude of other businesses. Oh, yeah, and having to remember to carry a face covering every where since you never know when you might need/want one.

        This entire mess is a very interesting study in the myriad ways we humans can/will adapt to the strange and unusual as well as the circumstances we simply will not tolerate.

        Oh, well. I found myself wondering a few days ago if my face covering matched my socks. Why? Perhaps because it is one of the few things over which I had complete control. Or something.

        About fakebook. Am contemplating whether to sign up at long last. A retiree group I’ve hung around with for a while is being forced to find a new home. Fakebook seems to be one of the last choices and has been selected. I really hate to give up hearing from the group, but have a real aversion to playing with Fakebook. Any suggestions?

  26. Claw says:

    Current weather conditions at Stately Claw Manor are:

    12 degrees, 35 mph wind from the north and three inches of snow on the ground.

    Not a good day to travel to see what Old Faithful is up to./s

  27. penguinman000 says:

    Stumbled across this turd Bill Jakob during my internet travels today.


    Typical embellisher BS, but he also talked his way into a being sworn in as a reserve in the local PD and participated in “raids” violating 4th amendment rights so hard it likely caused gravitational waves detected by LIGO.

    Didn’t see the guy in the search function and it’s an entertaining read.

    • 26Limabeans says:

      Crazy story…and long but a good example of stolen valor being just
      the cherry on top of the shit sundae. Guy beleived his own bs.

      • penguinman000 says:

        What impressed me most out of that story is a local small town reporter smelled something fishing and started digging.

        Wish there were more reporters like that.

  28. Devtun says:

    This is just hilarious. You really can’t make this stuff up, and lefties think Republicans/conservatives are slow, backwards, and uneducated.


    • Ex-PH2 says:

      I saw that. The ignorant lefties were SHOCKED that Trump would even suggest using a 4-legged coyote for human transport, instead of the 2-legged coyote, A/K/A human traffickers.

      The State of Idiocy they live in no longer surprises me.

    • OWB says:

      That is beyond hilarious. Especially the one toward the end who made the exact point that Trump himself had made – that it was the parents bringing the kids across then abandoning them for others to care for who account for the vast majority of children whose parents cannot be found.

    • penguinman000 says:

      Anyone who is unaware of what a “coyote” is in ref to human trafficking should have zero to say about ANY sort of immigration.

    • Combat Historian says:

      Libtards and proggies live in hermetically-sealed thought bubbles, and anything beyond the bubble is yucky-poo-poo land of which they know nothing about, and want to know nothing about…

  29. MarineDad61 says:

    UPDATE – For everyone,
    especially the page admins and HMC(FMF)Ret_87-10,

    The comments have been turned off for our recent church liar,
    Phony Navy SEAL Daniel Greenwell…..
    but I now have 1 more interesting followup,

    (FakeBook PM, days ago)

    [ME] – I will leave you with this.
    No element of society, from police, to sheriff, to business owner, to elected politician, to even the clergy,
    gets a free pass on Stolen Valor, either the lying, or the attempts to defend those who lie. ——
    If you felt you didn’t receive the respect you deserve,
    perhaps by your initial attempts to minimize, defend, or conceal the truth about Daniel Greenwell…..
    THIS is why. —–>
    (Link to 2011 Rev. Jim Moats (Newville, PA Phony SEAL) story).

    [ME] – This story is from 9 years ago, near my home.

    [ME] – As a fan of the websites,
    I thank you for taking down the Greenwell webpage.
    Your community would be well served with a PUBLIC disclosure, on Sunday, or in the local news media.


    TODAY (Sunday morning (irony)), a FakeBook PM REPLY..

    [First United Methodist Church, Mount Vernon, IN] –
    Your assumption that I minimized, defended, or concealed anything is problematic, and it’s indicative of how you people mishandled this whole affair.
    I did none of those things.
    What I did was investigate the matter on my own.
    I was not about to act before looking into the matter.
    The actions toward me and my church by those associated with the website, however, were despicable.
    You want us to do a public disclosure?
    You’ve got to be joking.
    We did nothing wrong.
    This wasn’t our lie.
    As I said, we were lied to,
    but you all treated us like we were the enemy.
    You people expected me to act immediately on your word,
    but the only information I received from you people were inappropriate comments, demands, and threats.
    I’m absolutely done with you and your ilk.
    It seems that none of you understands basic civility.
    None of you understands right and wrong.
    None of you understands how to act professionally.
    Don’t contact me again.
    (End PM paste)


    In conclusion,
    this “church” decided to lump me into “you people”,
    and cast everyone here as somehow bad.
    Worse than bad. Despicable.
    Yet, this same “church” will have nothing to say publicly about Greenwell.

    I sure hope all the adults of this “church”
    have been keeping their meathooks off of the children.
    It’s painful to see how this “church” would likely deal with that.


  30. Claw says:


    It took 62 years for Big Army to finally cut the orders for Canadian members of the FSSF to receive the CIB.

    • 26Limabeans says:

      How long before we have a poser?

      • Claw says:

        Long time. The orders were cut and awards made back in 2006./s

        Oh, and something else I ran across while researching. GEN Westmorland may or may not have had a legit CIB.