Weekend Open Thread

| July 31, 2020

You guys could very well have been inundated with trolls. But, many have been packed into the short yellow school bus and sent on their way. Welcome to the end of July and to the beginning of the weekend. Enjoy your weekend.

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  1. Hack Stone says:

    Hack Stone would like to take this opportunity to declare that Elaine Ricci should have been awarded First Comment for the This Ain’t Hell Weekend Open Thread for 31 July 2020.

    • RGR 4-78 says:

      well done Hack.

      • Slow Joe says:

        He didn’t say First, so his post doesn’t count.

        The King of Loset is the First, not Hack Stone.

        I mean, the King of Battle….

    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

      BZ to Hack!

    • Hack Stone says:

      Hack Stone is the Boston Red Sox of Weekend Open Threads. It feels like 102 years since his last (and also first) First Comment on the Weekend Open Thread. He attributes his success to clean living and the support of the loyal employees of the proud but humble woman owned business that employs him, particularly the Vice President.

    • Green Thumb says:

      The False Commander “Phony” Phil Monkress (CEO of All-Points Logistics) has probably squirreled Elaine Ricci away into hiding in the bowels of their vile and villainous taxpayer-funded headquarters in Merritt Island, Fl.

    • Skippy says:

      BHWHAHAHAHA !!!!!!

  2. 5th/77th FA says:


    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Short round.

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Well I gave him as much rope as I thought he would need to hang her (Elaine). Over yonder bragging on the Gun Bunny Cannon Cocker Nurse type person of the Female Gland.

        I guess, technically/legally, I could contest Hack’s Firstness to the TAH Wide World of Sports Corporate HQs for a ruling, since he only mentioned the word First, but did not call out/claim the FIRST. I’m sure that after the subject is brought for discussion (HA HA HA HA), and then voted on (NIX NEIN HELLS TO THE NAW NO!) I could reapply for an appeal in 90 days for further disapproval of my request for a ruling. And then again there is always the argument that are you allowed to claim a proxy FIRST for someone who is not even been seen a work for awhile.

        Maybe I can find a lawer that is not maintaining a social distancing of minus 6 feet AGL to fly in and take the case.

        • Hack Stone says:

          This mail in posts for First Weekend Open Thread comment are subject to massive fraud. It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask and post your claim of First Comment via Al Gore’s Amazing Internet, and the title is bestowed upon the one who has secured the most electoral comments, not the popular comments.

      • Slow Joe says:

        Hack Stone never claimed the First…

        • SFC D says:

          And you were third..,

        • Hack Stone says:

          Hack Stone was the delegate for Elaine Ricci. it’s like Christopher Columbus claiming the New World for Queen Isabella. Centuries from now, they will erect statues in Hack stone’s honor, only to be toppled by angry mobs clad in spandex carrying blowtorches and pliers.

      • Poetrooper says:

        Speaking of short rounds, Mail, may I suggest that we adopt that term in reference to to the individual I usually refer to in the scatological term, Dipshit, on this site?

        It’s a military term that fits him so perfectly–always falling short of his target and creating an unnecessary disturbance when he lands among us.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          Dud round

          Its mere presence renders a thing dysfunctional.

          Amy attention paid it comes away from useful effort.

          If it does go off, it is uselessly.

        • 26Limabeans says:

          Had a guy in Vietnam everyone called “short round”.
          He was short and portly.

  3. Roh-Dog says:

    Congrats, HS.
    Dodging too many d*cks over here to remember it’s Friday.
    Have a great weekend y’all!

  4. Sea Dragon says:

    Top 10!

  5. Slow Joe says:

    I am never the first.

    This is BS.

    I’ll open another Bud Light.

    • ninja says:

      “I am never the first”.

      You said it. We didn’t.

      Pity Party time?


    • SFC D says:

      Life is too short to drink shit beer.

      • RGR 4-78 says:

        Drinking light beer is like death by a thousand cuts.

        Try some Shiner Bock Joe, you won’t be disappointed.

        • Graybeard says:

          Shiner Bock is never out of place.

          Except at a Baptist potluck. >sigh<

          • 26Limabeans says:

            Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA.
            It goes down and it stays down.

            • Fyrfighter says:

              Damn, beans, now I have to go tot he fridge and get me one!

            • Hondo says:

              One caution about Torpedo IPA (and many other good IPAs as well): it’s way stronger than most regular beers. Torp is 7.5% ABV; many other good IPAs are also in the 7.0-7.5% ABV range. Most normal beer is 4.5-5.0% ABV.

              Bottom line: unless you’re a really big guy/gal, two good IPAs may put you close to the legal limit; three certainly will. Plan accordingly.

              • Fyrfighter says:

                Hop Bullet is over 8 Hondo, and you’re dead accurate, that’s why the farthest I’m travelling tonight is between the fridge and the TV showing ” The Horse Soldiers” with John Wayne…
                Next week while travelling through Wyoming and Montana, I’ll have a goodly supply of growlers, so that those high ABV brews can come back to the hotel room, where the only hazard to my health is the missus.. (at least no-one else will be at risk)

              • NHSparky says:

                Ballast Point Grapefruit Sculpin.

                7.0% IPA, and the grapefruit plays off it perfectly.

        • Poetrooper says:

          When ol’ Poe lived in San Antonio many decades ago, Shiner put up a billboard on I-10 just north of downtown with the slogan,

          “Our beer goes through five thousand Czechs a day.”

          City Council made ’em take it down. Those were sure days of innocence, weren’t they?

        • Hack Stone says:

          If you have to worry about calories, you have no business drinking beer.

      • Green Thumb says:

        Damn straight.


        • Graybeard says:

          Before I agree, I want to know which whiskey is being proffered.

          • The Stranger says:

            I just picked up a bottle of Canadian Club 12 for under 20 bucks! Best value going in whisky and, let me tell you, it is smooth!

          • 11B-Mailclerk says:

            Which kind?

            The stuff with an E in it.

          • Green Thumb says:

            After being in the North 40 for a long time, who cares!

            Burns your asshole, makes your eyes water and has that nice medical smell to it.

            Gotta work with you have!

          • The Stranger says:

            Just tried a dram of Whistle Pig 10 year old Rye for the first time…100 Proof, SMOOTH and warm. Good stuff.

    • Hondo says:

      Seriously, Slow Joe – try Yuengling. Much better than Bud Light, and not much more expensive.

      Yuengling Light is also fairly good, but their regular is much better. And if you can find it, Yuengling Black and Tan is worth a try.

      • Fyrfighter says:

        Hondo, that’s just mean! Yuenling is like mothers milk to an old PA boy ( after Guinness to an Irish boy), but out here in Colorado, we can’t get any… and this damn Kung Flu cancelled my trip to National Fire Academy where I planned to attempt to drown myself in it!

      • Slow Joe says:


        I will try it.
        I have been looking for a good light beer to replace Bud Light, and I haven’t found it.

        I think Keystone light is passable, but I will give a try to Yuengling.

        What’s up with the Chinese name?

        Is that beer made in China?

        • Fyrfighter says:

          “Yuengling is an Anglicized version of Jüngling, its founder’s surname and the German term for a “young person” or “youngster”.”

          Oldest brewey in the US, in Pottsville PA

          • The Stranger says:

            And currently the largest American-owned brewery. Anheuser-Busch is part of INBEV (Belgium), Miller is part of SAB (South Africa), Coors is owned by Molson, and Pabst is also foreign owned (Greek?). Yuengling is damn good beer at a nice price.

        • OldManchu says:

          Try Shiner Light Blonde.
          I’m a heavy IPA guy but if you want a light beer that’s far better than Bud Light, but not all filling give it a try. 99 Calories a bottle.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          China beer?

          Wu Brew

        • Green Thumb says:

          Living out here in the Great NW, we have tons of breweries to choose from.

          But an old school Busch Light Tallboy on a hot day is tough to beat.

          • The Stranger says:

            When I was young and broke, a Busch tall boy hit the spot. $2.99 for a 6-pack of 16 ounce cans, heck of a deal.

    • Mason says:

      If it makes you feel better, by the official rules of the International WoT “First” Competition Guide (First Edition, revised 2019), I am now ineligible to ever get the title.

      I think the best I did was third or fourth. I’m happy with a top five showing.

  6. ninja says:

    Wow. I can only imagine what the survivors as well as family members of lost love ones are thinking right now.

    Official document is embedded in the article:

    “Court Overturns Death Sentence of Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev”:


    “An appellate court has tossed the death sentence and overturned three of the convictions of Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.”

    “The court in its ruling cited errors in the proceedings that found Dzhokhar guilty and condemned him to death.”

    “The ruling will not result in Tsarnaev being freed, and the death penalty will now be revisited.”

    “Dzhokhar will remain confined to prison for the rest of his life, with the only question remaining being whether the government will end his life by executing him,” the excerpt read.”

    “The 224-page ruling was released Friday afternoon by federal appellate Judge Rogeriee Thompson.”

    “The First Circuit judge said the convicted bomber will need to face another jury to redetermine if he’ll be executed.”

    • Sapper3307 says:

      Follow the judge’s money,, left leaner?

    • Green Thumb says:

      I think I might ask for the death penalty rather than live the rest of my life in a small, windowless room.

      • Graybeard says:

        Dunno what their Death Row is like, but in Texas they even get out to the rec yard from time to time.

        A small (1/2 court) yard fenced off from the others, but they can see each other and the sun.

        With the average time from conviction to execution being over 10 years, they don’t seem to mind – until the date starts getting close.

        • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

          I think that our Death Row needs to be JUST LIKE what the Japanese give their Condemned, they have no idea what time will be their end.

          “Early Exercise Time?”
          “Too early for shower time, OH SHIT!!!”

    • Mason says:

      Sidebar over at the Post. Not for the faint of heart or those with a weak stomach.


      Pretty incredible nonetheless.

    • Slow Joe says:

      I can’t believe it.

    • rgr769 says:

      So, this POS murdering terrorist, whose own attorneys admitted to all his murderous crimes, gets a new trial because some jurors heard about his crimes, like practically everyone else in the world. But Roger Stone can’t get a new trial even though his jury forebitch demonstrated her bias against him on social media, both before and during his trial.

      • Fyrfighter says:

        rgr, it actually looks like he’s just getting a new sentencing… still bullshit, but not quite as bad… maybe…

        • 5th/77th FA says:

          Hell just give the S.O.B. house arrest; in the judge’s house. Wait till the word gets out that her G Grandpappy was a…gasp…slaveowner!

          • Fyrfighter says:

            Screw that, convict him (already done), get every bit of intel out of him you can on his jihadi connections, walk him out back, put a bullet in his head (.22 to save money), and feed him to some hungry hogs….( Feel free to aerial spray the resulting pig shit over his country off origin)

        • rgr769 says:

          Uh no, he is getting a new penalty jury trial on whether he gets the death penalty or life in prison.

    • OldManchu says:

      When a dog bites or attacks a child, we put it down with no questions asked.

      We should be better at killing our enemies swiftly.

  7. Green Thumb says:

    The False Commander “Phony” Phil Monkress (CEO of All-Points Logistics) continues to avoid calls seeking clarification of his Native American, Navy SEAL and Law Enforcement Officer claims.

    On a side note, my dog dropped a huge, steaming pile of Phil Monkress in the neighbor’s yard.


  8. ninja says:

    A story worth having its own post for comments.

    “Virginia National Guard Welcomes First Female Infantry Company Commander


    “The Virginia National Guard welcomed the first woman infantry company commander on Saturday.”

    “Capt. Candice Bowen is the first woman to take command of a Virginia National Guard infantry company stationed out of Woodstock, Virginia.”

    “It feels a bit surreal,” Bowen said about being the first female infantry company commander. “I honestly am just ready to take charge of the company and lead my Soldiers.”

    “Bowen took command of the Woodstock-based Bravo Company, 3rd Battalion, 116th Infantry Regiment, 116th Infantry Brigade Combat Team from Capt. Timothy England.”

    “Bowen’s advice to other female soldiers considering serving in infantry units: “Do it. Just jump in there. Do it aggressively, enjoy it, and have fun. If you enjoy it, have fun, and you are giving it everything you got, you will be absolutely fine. You will love it, and it will be the best thing you ever did.”

    “She became the VNG’s first female infantry officer when she graduated U.S. Army’s Infantry Basic Officer Leader Course in February of 2019.”

    “During the ceremony, her father, a retired Army sergeant major, pinned a blue infantry cord to her uniform, signifying her new military career field.”

    “It is important to recognize progress and success where we find it in our organizations both as encouragement for those who forge it but equally as an example for others to follow and as affirmation of the values we collectively hold,” said Col. Joseph DiNonno, commander of the 116th IBCT.”

    “Today marks a special moment in the Virginia Army National Guard history as we welcome the first female infantry company commander, a selection based on merit with no special treatment and an officer who has demonstrated the absolute ability to lead Soldiers in close combat. I take special pride in seeing this change of command and knowing what we celebrate as a first today will be commonplace tomorrow.”

    “Bowen, born into the military, currently lives in Northern Virginia. She graduated and earned her commission from Penn State. She deployed to Qatar with 3rd Battalion in 2016 then volunteered for a follow on assignment with the 3rd Cavalry Regiment in Afghanistan where she was earned the Combat Action Badge.”

    • Green Thumb says:

      No CIB?

      • rgr769 says:

        She wasn’t in an infantry slot back then, so she could only be awarded a CAB.

        Welp, I guess lesbians, gay men and trannies will be running the combat arms of all services in another ten to twenty years, given the way the DOD is headed. But maybe after the progs completely take over, the entire military will be disbanded along with the police. That should make for interesting times.

        • Commissar says:

          What the hell is wrong with you?

          That is your take from this?

        • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

          So did she actually EARN that slot, or did she ride the EO Quota wagon into it? Back in my days as a Combat Engineer we had a Female CO who did that and she completely sucked as a CO.

          • Commissar says:


            You definitely earned your 11B assigned to the supply room slot.

            And your “babysat by the sergeant major“ slot.

            • Poetrooper says:

              Short Round, you sink beneath common human dignity and military honor by demeaning the roles of those here who also served.

              But then, like the lefty you are, there is nothing beneath your dignity for like all your ilk, you have none.

              You Dipshit…

              • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

                He’s projecting again. Major Moonbat aka Lars KNOWS that he was 24K substandard all throughout his career, thus he projects it onto me and others.

        • Roh-Dog says:

          Might be worth it, let the PC/SJW/Commie set screw things up beyond repair, then let slip the dogs of war.
          Real men can just punch the twinks in the face, let them know it ain’t a popularity contest or about bling, then we can get to being back-to-back-to-back World F**KING War Champs!

        • Green Thumb says:


          Either she was a mustang or re-classed as an Officer.

          I have never seen anyone willing re-class to be Infantry outside of a few women over the past few years.

    • Anonymous says:

      The folk at the 116th IBCT (VA) and 116th CBCT (Idaho) are both going to be busy with confused people. (There’s also a 116th MI Bde, but it’s not nearly similar and doesn’t have Strykers like the other two.)

    • Commissar says:

      She is serving her country honorably and willing to serve in ground combat..

      And some of you asshats attack her for it.


      How truly insecure do you have to be to find this an issue?

      • Sapper3307 says:

        Bradly Manning is waiting for you on Grinder, go get him big boy.

      • SFC D says:

        You’re the last person that should ever lecture anyone on anything. You do not hold the moral high ground and your hypocrisy has passed its expiration date.

      • JAFR says:

        Didn’t you attack a dead man like yesterday?

        Don’t fall from your high horse, Jack.

        • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

          It’s how he rolls… attacks those that can’t defend themselves and lies about things he has posted here in the past.

          • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

            IMHO it’s obvious that he’s still a failure in life thus he comes here and projects it onto everyone else while regurgitating his cult propaganda!

  9. Claw says:

    Time spread for WOT “Firsts” attributed to Hack Stone as entered into The Coveted Book:

    20 Nov 15 to 31 Jul 20 : 1,715 days

    • Mason says:

      Is that a record? That feels like it should be a record.

    • Graybeard says:

      It feels like its been about that long since my last FIRST.

      Being retired, I spend more time in the garden than on the ‘puter. Life is hard. 😀

  10. ninja says:

    So sad to read this:

    “One Marine Dead, Two Injured and Eight Others Are Missing After Training Accident Off California Coast”


    “One Marine died, two are injured and eight others are missing at sea after a training accident in an amphibious assault vehicle off the coast of southern California, the Marine Corps said Friday.”

    “The accident happened late Thursday afternoon near San Clemente Island, when Marines reported the vehicle was taking on water, the service said in a statement. The injured Marines were taken to a local hospital, where they are in critical condition, the statement said.”

    “Fifteen Marines, all assigned to the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, I Marine Expeditionary Force, and one sailor were on the assault amphibious vehicle, which is used for storming beaches. They were part of a routine training exercise with the Makin Island Amphibious Ready Group when the accident occurred. The 15th MEU is based at Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, Calif.”

    “Five others were rescued. Search and rescue efforts, supported by the Navy and Coast Guard, are underway for the eight missing service members, Marines said.”

    “The USS San Diego and USS Somerset, amphibious transport dock ships that carry assault amphibious vehicles in the well deck, are part of the search.”

  11. ninja says:

    Well, this is interesting..

    Did he or didnt’ he?

    “Naval War College Official On Leave After Pornographic Email”


    “The provost of the Naval War College in Newport is on personal leave after an email sent on his behalf to all faculty contained a link to a pornographic image, an incident he attributed to “severe malware.”

    “Lewis Duncan said in a follow-up email a few minutes after the errant message that his home computer had been hacked, and that the email was supposed to include a link to a faculty survey.”

    “The matter is currently under investigation,” said Cmdr. Gary Ross, spokesman for the Naval War College. “It would be inappropriate for me to discuss the matter at this time.”

    “According to emails obtained by The Providence Journal, a message from Duncan went out via the deputy provost’s email account to the college’s faculty on July 21. A professor replied-all, warning about what the link actually was — not a survey, but pornography.”

    “Duncan quickly responded from his own account: “My apologies that my home computer was hacked.”

    “Duncan said in a follow-up message to the faculty that his home computer had been compromised by “severe risk” malware.”

    “Personally, I am appalled, humiliated, angered, embarrassed, and distressed that I allowed this to happen,” he said, according to the messages obtained by the Journal. “I realize that this appropriately offended and hurt you, and that it appropriately warrants a loss of the trust and confidence you may have in my service as your Provost. I intend to commit my fullest efforts going forward to re-earning that trust, and if this proves unattainable than to leave your service for more capable leaders.”

    “Duncan has been on leave since Monday. Associate provost James Hickey is taking over for Duncan in the meantime.”

    “Rear Adm. Shoshana S. Chatfield, president of the Naval War College, told the faculty: “Transmitting this type of content on a US Government network is unacceptable. Not only does it violate regulations and our basic core values, it undermines your trust in this institution and its leadership. I am determined to find out how this happened.”

    • MarineDad61 says:

      Before reading,
      I can already suggest that “I was hacked”
      is the #1 front line excuse
      when computer (and cellphone) challenged
      are caught red handed.

      Our local ex-State Senator is now in prison.
      The “I was hacked” up front excuse lasted less than 5 days,
      with the news release of the mugshot, perp walk cuffs photo,
      and police discussing the “lurid details”.

      We shall see, on this guy.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well, he pasted the wrong link from home and now everybody knows what kind of scuzzy porn he likes…

    • SFC D says:

      I had a buddy at CBP that attempted to send a NSFW pic of a scantily clad female via government cell phone, and accidentally sent it to the station chief at Eagle Pass. 1 week suspension. Funny as hell though.

  12. MarineDad61 says:

    1 year later…
    NO SIGN of the Elko POW*MIA Awareness Ass.
    in Pocatello, Idaho this year.

    Could be due to China Virus.
    More likely, due to national Awareness Ass. awareness.

    Parade season coming soon.


    • Green Thumb says:

      The party will only start when Alaska “I take it in the ass” Bob arrives!

    • MarineDad61 says:

      Judge Smails sends a video message to Les Brown,
      from the Ruby View Golf Course in Elko, Nevada.

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Y’all may recall from my June pity party that I was to have been visiting all around Sturgis/Black Hills/Deadwood/Badlands ect. If you haven’t been to that corner of the world, that is a definite bucket list trip. Brother in Dakota called me night before last and offered to either come get me or send me a plane ticket

        He and his bride were at “The Heads” when President Trump was there on the 4th of July. The SD State Patrol and SDNG was not playing with the protesters/rioters.

        • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

          SD is part of Red State America where they don’t put up with those snotnosed fleabags!

  13. ninja says:

    “This Soothing Submarine Video Will Put You Straight To Sleep”


    “Have you ever heard of ASMR?”

    “Autonomous sensory meridian response — it’s a brain tingling phenomenon that involves soothing sounds putting people straight to sleep.”

    “ASMR is a perceptual sensory phenomenon, likened to meditation, which encompasses a pleasant and calming ‘tingling’ sensation localized to the scalp and neck in those able to experience it,” according to an NIH article entitled ‘Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response: What is It? and Why Should We Care?’

    “These sensations are triggered by specific auditory and visual stimuli such as whispering, personal attention, and even being the subject of a physician’s clinical examination. People looking to experience ASMR turn to the website “YouTube” where videos have been produced that utilize these triggers. These videos are generally watched by users in a quiet environment to achieve the relaxing effect of ASMR.”

    “While those YouTube videos typically involve some gentle whispering, unboxing items or tapping plastic, you probably have never been lulled to sleep by the dulcet sounds of rushing water as a submarine makes a dive beneath the waves, until now.”

    “It’s just as soothing as playing Endless Ocean — if you grew up in the 90s and your parents bought you a GameCube. Just kick back and let the water rush over you.”

    “While you are being lulled to sleep though, it’s worth noting that surfacing can be one of the most tense moments for submariners, whether in combat or just entering a crowded harbor. You might call it the calm above the surface.”

    • KoB says:

      Sending a few Yuenglings “down the hatch” is a soothing way to get me submerged under the covers.

    • NHSparky says:

      Fans hum on the boat was always good for putting me to sleep.

      When they STOPPED, OTOH….

      • OAE CPO USN Ret says:

        Yep, I’ve tried to explain to my friends back home that the loudest sound on a ship is the sound of silence crashing down on you. Want to wake up everyone in the middle of the night? Drop the power.

  14. ninja says:

    “There’s A Movement Building To Reverse DoD’s Policy On LGBTQ Pride Flag and Other Banners”


    “House Lawmakers on Friday approved plans to block the Defense Department from banning the display of LGBTQ pride flags as part of the fiscal 2021 defense appropriations measure, demanding the symbol be allowed in all public areas.”

    “The final vote on the spending bill came one day after dozens of lawmakers signed onto a letter to Defense Secretary Mark Esper, calling on the Defense Department to reverse parts of a July 16 memo that effectively banned flags other than those representing states and allied countries from being displayed in public or common areas on military installations.”

    “The policy, written in response to pressure to ban the Confederate flag across all DoD property, is written in such a way that flags other than allied country, state and unit flags are unauthorized outside of private housing rooms and vehicles, targeting service members who might display a favored sport’s team’s ― as well as one representing LGBTQ pride or that of support of a Native American tribe, as the lawmakers argued.”

    “The implicit banning of these symbols of diversity and inclusion runs counter to our ideals as a nation and a military,” the letter reads, signed by Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., Rep. Anthony Brown, D-Md., Rep. Chris Pappas, D-N.H. “The Department must have the strength and courage to be able to simultaneously stand against a symbol of hate and oppression in the Confederate Battle Flag while allowing the display of support for civil rights, equity, and justice.”

    “Defense Department spokesmen did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the letter.”

    “In the weeks since the memo dropped, critics have questioned Esper’s reasoning for banning so many flags in the interest of rooting out one.”

    “Whether intentional or not, by banning the Pride flag, Secretary Esper effectively told the tens of thousands of LGBTQ American patriots who proudly serve this nation that their service and symbols of their diversity are somehow divisive and unwelcome,” said Jennifer Dane, interim executive director of the Modern Military Association of America, said in a Friday release. “The Pride flag is literally the very symbol of diversity and inclusion, goals the Department if Defense should be striving for. We urge Secretary Esper to listen to these Members of Congress and restore the ability of service members and their families to display the Pride flag on military installations, including in their on-base housing or work spaces.”

    “Despite the motivation for its creation, Esper’s memo does not explicitly ban the Confederate flag, as the Marine Corps, Navy and Coast Guard have done using their own authorities.”

    “Specifically, DoD’s policy allows the flying of state flags, flags of allied countries for protocol purposes, unit flags, the Prisoner-of-War/Missing-in-Action flag and flags of department/military officials. Everything else is barred from public spaces, offices, housing common areas and government vehicles.”

    “By the same token, Confederate flags ― and any other ― would be allowed on personal vehicles and within private housing, though shared barracks rooms could still be considered “common.”

    “We do not honor or display the Parteiflagge of Nazi Germany on our military bases, and any decision on the Confederate Battle Flag must likewise be unequivocal: it must be banned outright,” the lawmakers wrote, adding that the House version of the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act bill includes a line banning that flag.”

    “Earlier this month, House lawmakers approved a separate bill specifically banning the Confederate battle flag from public spaces at military bases.”

    “Both that measure and the LGBT flag provision face an uncertain legislative future. Senate Republicans have not voiced support for either measure, and must agree to the provision for it to be included in the final law.”

    • UpNorth says:

      Jennifer Dane, why not have the military strive for winning wars? Instead of worrying about PC.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hey, unless I can have a Straight Pride flag, LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ stuff is divisive like the Confederate flag. Fair’s fair.

      • Green Thumb says:


        Get rid of one, get rid of them all.

        Right or wrong.


      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Everybody has the right to free expression, that is everybody but working white folks that are from the South. Your white privilege gives you the right to go to work and pay taxes in order to provide the free sh^t army with all that they need. Oh, and btw the way you Southerners, Thank You for providing the biggest percentage of service people to the military since 1898.

        “Soon as we get rid of all them raciss statues and flags, then we will have the reparations paid and all the crime will disappear from the ‘hood, we’ll find Jesus, get our lives turned around, and start junior college.”

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Well, I will run my own flag up the pole. Navy blue with a big lens in the center that burns holes in the whiners’ retinas, and the motto “You don’t like my flag? Tough bananas”

    • 26Limabeans says:

      Gonna let my freak flag fly:


  15. The Other Whitey says:

    Put some rust stains on the amtrack. When all is said and done, it should look a bit more well-used than the Red Dawn vehicles. It’s still waiting on its final coat of Vietnamese mud & dust.


    • KoB says:

      Looking good TOW. Tanks!

      • The Other Whitey says:

        Thanks! When it’s finished, it will have some Marines on the roof, crew in the hatches, and my Uncle and his dog sharing a Hershey bar with a little girl on the ground alongside. The big issue is sourcing 1/35 scale M14s. M16s are dime-a-dozen in scale, and modern souped-up M14 EBR models are easy enough to find, but 1966-vintage iron-sighted M14s just about rival hen’s teeth.

        I’m kicking around the idea of seeing if a 3D printer on Shapeways might give me a custom set, but I’d rather not have to sign over my left nut, kidneys, or any of my children for it.

  16. ninja says:

    “Plan To Change VA Motto To Include Women Draws Republican Support”


    “A House panel on Thursday advanced plans to replace the Department of Veterans Affairs mission statement with gender-neutral language, with Republican lawmakers offering strong support to the idea in opposition to the administration’s objections.”

    “The measure — sponsored by Rep. Kathleen Rice, D-N.Y. — would change the current statement from “To fulfill President Lincoln’s promise ‘To care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan,’” to the less specific “To fulfill President Lincoln’s promise to care for those ‘who shall have borne the battle’ and for their families, caregivers, and survivors.”

    “The language has been at the center of an ongoing fight between women veterans advocates and department leaders since the start of President Donald Trump’s administration in 2017. Critics have called the motto outdated since it refers only to male veterans.”

    “VA’s current gender-exclusive motto doesn’t properly acknowledge (women’s) service, and that is simply wrong,” Rice said. “We’re just as grateful for their service and sacrifice as we are for anyone brave enough to put on our country’s uniform. That is why we must pass (this bill), to ensure that these veterans receive the respect they deserve.”

    “Department leaders have brushed off the effort as political correctness run amok, saying that changing Lincoln’s words would amount to revising history.”

    • Green Thumb says:

      It should be done.

      Just remove the direct quote.

      Seems like folks are all in.

      Its just the media attempting to beat the war drum, again.

      • Green Thumb says:

        But Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation.

        Is his statue still standing? Or sitting, I guess.

    • The Other Whitey says:

      As long as the service is being provided as promised, who gives a shit about the wording of the motto?

      Besides, with all the issues I keep hearing about, what exactly will changing the motto do to fix them? Approximately dick, that’s what. So once again, who gives a shit about the motto.

      • Hack Stone says:

        Hack was wondering about that, too. Are they saying that the Veteran’s Administration is not providing support to female veterans?

  17. Fyrfighter says:

    Not a military loss, but certainly in service to their country.



    • The Other Whitey says:

      Coming up on the Mann Gulch anniversary as well.

      • Fyrfighter says:

        Yep, and for those into rodeo, yesterday was 31 years since Lane Frost died.

        We’ll be doing some LODD / lessons learned on the 5th (last day before vacation!… anyone in the Montana area, give me a yell, always looking for someone to have beers with.)

        • The Other Whitey says:

          My sister did the Mann Gulch and Storm King staff rides and memorial hikes when she was still with the Forest Service. She tried to bring back some Gamble oak leaves from Storm King, but some TSA dipshit called them cannabis and confiscated them (I’ll bet the fucker tried to smoke them himself).

          Some day I’d like to get my Grandpa’s firsthand account of the 1956 Iñaja burnover, as I’m pretty sure he’s the last living witness, but it’s a rather touchy subject for him. He’s told the story exactly twice: once to the investigation team in ‘56 and once more to my Dad thirty years later.

          • Fyrfighter says:

            Wow, that’s impressive TOW! My dad was the same way with stories from his tour in Vietnam. If you want some leaves from there, get my info from admins and shoot me an email, I’ll be happy to mail ya some next time I get up that way.

        • SFC D says:

          31 years? Fuck. I’m old. Had a really bad allergy problem watching that movie.

          • Fyrfighter says:

            Yeah, “8 Seconds” is on my shelf right next to “Lone Survivor”, “American Sniper” and “Only the Brave”… (that last one puts me in the dog house any time the wife sees it, especially since the anniversary was just a month ago, and the fact that the Sup Eric Marsh was 5 days younger than me..)

      • Green Thumb says:

        I had a class several years back and we did Mann Gulch vignettes.

        Sad day for many.

  18. Graybeard says:

    Present and unaccountable.

    Tough week around the GB AO with the loss of our friend from early college days. Huge funeral – but he was the youngest of 14 kids who loved each other and keep in close contact.

    Favorite First Daughter-in-Law’s parents have been diagnosed with the Wuhan virus. Her mother’s temps have hit 107 already.

    But Mrs. GB is busy helping 2nd granddaughter cut blocks for her first quilt. The garden is doing well; more okra than you can shake a stick at, blackeyes shooting up.

    Life goes on. Hug your loved ones – they are your greatest treasure on earth.

  19. Combat Historian says:

    Greetings from the Tampa Bay Area of the Florida Gulf Coast. Drove back here from MS yesterday. Will stay put here as hurricane Isaia make its way up the Florida east coast and then the U.S. east coast, and then make our way north up the east coast behind it to return to our northeast leftist blue shithole home of residence…

    Interesting observation from our months long roadtrip. We have traveled and stayed across the length and width of Florida, drove through Alabama, stayed for days and weeks in Mississippi, Louisiana, western Arkansas, eastern Oklahoma, and parts of northern Texas. During our trip, we have come across literally ten of thousands of Trump 2020/MAGA bumper stickers, yard signs, placards, posters, flags, banners, etc. We have not seen ONE, NOT ONE, Biden or demonrat campaign item. I’m sure they are out there somewhere in the states we have traveled, but I can honestly say we have seen zero zilch nada of them. I know this observation means very little in terms of the overall 2020 national campaign, but it is what we have factually observed. You can make what you will of it…

  20. Slow Joe says:

    I don’t always read the WOT, but when I do, I prefer…..

    I got nothing.

  21. Skippy says:

    Well not even in the top 5
    No problem
    Present and accounted for

  22. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    PRESENT and Honorary First once again.


  23. LC says:

    If the moderators feel this is trolling, I of course have no problem if you delete the link – but CSIS (the think-tank, not the Canadian intelligence one) is a pretty respected, bipartisan group. The article has details on left/right-wing politically motivated violence:



    Now, obviously, Antifa is fairly new, but the right-wing/left-wing stats are shown since the same year (2010). It also does not include the most recent protests. I’m sharing not because I expect anyone here to suddenly say, “Huh. Guess I was wrong, and there is a problem with right-wing terror!”, but because it is information worth reading, even if you ultimately pick at the methodology.

    • Ret_25X says:

      Gee, their definition of “right wing” includes collectivist, socialist, and radical race groups.

      Now, since collectivism, socialism, and racial identity are all left wing ideologies, I wonder why they call such groups “right wing”?

      For the same reason such “think tanks” classify Hitler as “right wing”?

      Once I realized that racism was simply the lowest form of collectivism, I have never been fooled by such propaganda.

      Nearly ALL of the groups identified are LEFT Wing by the very defining characteristic of their ideology…collectivist identity.

      Through a little research, we find that there are almost no “right wing” groups in existence due to the very nature of group identity and politics.

      This is NOT to say that these groups are not vile and violent. Only to point out that all think tanks are evergreening your mind. To understand this process, you have to listen to Eric Weinstein’s podcasts where he articulates how the think tanks and media are cannibalizing our minds for their own profits.

      You are welcome for the pro tip in COINTELPRO

  24. LC says:

    And now, in Politicians Behaving Badly, we start with the Tennessee State Senator who stole $600K from a company she direct to pay, in part, for her wedding:


    But 600K is peanuts compared to Ohio, where there’s a blistering 60 million dollar bribery scandal still unfolding:


    • The Other Whitey says:

      “Politicians behaving badly”

      When do they do otherwise? In all seriousness, I’d very much like to see examples made of these people. All the more reason why we need term limits, and why any politician who becomes a millionaire while in office should be automatically investigated.

      • Fyrfighter says:

        And every politician found guilty of betraying the public trust should be pilloried in the town square for at least a month before execution… Party doesn’t matter

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      One more reason to minimize government. Less to seek bribes, less clout to sell.

      Divest downward to local. Easier to keep it on a leash when you can easily walk into the dipstick’s office and serve papers or ask questions.

      • Roh-Dog says:

        I heartily accept the motto, – “That government is best which governs least”; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, – “That government is best which governs not at all”; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. —HDT

        Methinks that penny-pinching, antiwar squatter was on to something. I WILL have it, Dear Sir!

  25. Commissioner Wretched says:

    Since nobody noticed the week’s trivia hadn’t been posted yet (I’ve had a rough day), let me just leave this here. If you like it, I’m happy.

    Did an American president once dream about his own assassination?
    By Commissioner Wretched

    Earlier this year, while schools were closed due to the COVID-19 pandemic, I caught a meme on the Internet that made me laugh. In it, a parent who was stuck home schooling their children was offering anything and everything to teachers, if they would just take their “heathen” children back.

    The writer offered dragon-skin notebooks, a personal chef and masseuse, and even a unicorn to the teachers – whatever they wanted, because home schooling finally made it clear just how important teachers really are.

    As we get ready for another school year, let’s all remember how important teachers are … and treat them accordingly.

    For my part, I’m going to give them all the trivia I can find! (I was a teacher for 27 years, I know what they go through.)

    So here, teachers, just for you … fun facts to enliven your classrooms this year!

    Did you know …

    … caterpillars have more than 2,000 muscles? (I bet I could beat one up, though.)

    … the Hundred Years’ War lasted longer than that? Fought between England and France, the war stretched from 1338 to 1453 – a total of 115 years. (I give them some latitude for that, though – education wasn’t a big thing back then, so maybe they just couldn’t count.)

    … the average child in America sees more than 100 television commercials a day? (It’s like the classic line … “Do they get the message?” “They see it, but they don’t get it.”)

    … the Colosseum in Rome was very easy to exit? Able to hold 70,000 spectators at its prime, during the Roman Empire, the vast amphitheatre could be completely cleared of all people in three minutes. The marvel of the ancient world took 12 years to build. (Compare that with today’s stadiums, which take an hour to get out of. You go ahead, I don’t want to.)

    … the average human body radiates enough heat to boil two pints of water? (Or a quart. Or a quarter of a gallon. Or all of the above. All at the same time, too.)

    … a president had a dream that possibly foretold his own assassination? Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), sixteenth President of the United States, was shot at Ford’s Theatre in Washington on the night of April 14, 1865, and died early the next morning. But about a week before he was shot, Lincoln described the details of a vivid dream he had had the night before. In the dream, Lincoln said he heard the sound of sobbing, and went to investigate. He discovered a catafalque, the decorated wooden framework that supports a coffin of a distinguished person, in the East Room of the White House. The coffin had a body inside it. Lincoln said that in the dream, he asked a soldier standing guard, “Who is dead in the White House?” and the guard replied, “The President. He was killed by an assassin.” Lincoln awoke at that point, and a few days later told an aide about the dream and how troublesome it had been to him.

    … the life span of a firefly is seven days? During those seven days, it is busy trying to find a mate. (Aren’t we all, though?)

    … hunters back in the Stone Age both hunted and worshipped bears? Anthropologists say that when Stone Age humans killed a bear, they would sing, dance, and pray that the bear would forgive them for killing it. (“We give thanks for this bear meat, and we’re sorry we had to kill you to get it, Mr. Bear.”)

    … the Green Bay Packers were the winners of the first-ever Super Bowl? Then called the AFL-NFL World Championship, the 1967 game saw the NFL champs from Green Bay defeat the AFL’s Kansas City Chiefs, 35-10. The game was played at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on January 15, 1967, before an audience of over 61,000 fans. The halftime show (yes, they had one) featured the marching bands of the University of Arizona and Grambling State University, and trumpeter Al Hirt (1922-1999). Additional trivia note: While one could have expected to spend upwards of $5,000 for a good ticket to the most recent Super Bowl, the first game was a bargain by any definition – the average ticket price was $12.

    … the use of the word “like” to compare two things is not proper English? It’s commonly accepted today, thanks to a cigarette advertising campaign that began in 1954, but the proper term should be “as,” not “like.” The ads proclaimed that the particular brand of cigarette “tastes good, like a cigarette should.” Correct English would have it read, “tastes good, as a cigarette should.” (Now get that old jingle out of your head.)

    … a city in England has an annual cheese-rolling contest? Held each year in Gloucestershire, England, the contest involves people chasing a seven-pound round block of cheese down a steep, bumpy hill. It is a pretty dangerous event, too … people fall, break bones, even get concussions. (Pretty cheesy, huh?)

    … there is a dress in Egypt that is over 5,000 years old? The Tarkhan dress was found in an Egyptian tomb in 1977, part of a bundle of rags. Radiocarbon dating of the garment showed that it is between 5,100 and 5,500 years old. The dress is a V-neck made of linen, with pleated sleeves and a bodice. Researchers say it was likely made for a wealthy person by a specialized craftsman. (And now it’s on sale at a dress shop near you.)

    … you may suffer from shivviness? Not sure what shivviness is? It’s the uncomfortable feeling some people experience when wearing newly-purchased underwear. (So wear it outside of your clothes. Then you’ll get the feeling of being stared at.)

    Now … you know!

    • 5th/77th FA says:

      Better late than never CW. Thanks for showing up and the posting of the weekly trivia.

      Baby Girl and a number of her soccer mom buddies are teachers. So are 4 nieces, a nephew and some Compatriots. An entirely different world than it was when we were in school.

    • Combat Historian says:

      The Hundred Years’ War, where the English won the big major battles that we remember today (Crecy, Agincourt, Poitiers) but the French persisted and ultimately won the war. The power to persist is a strong factor in War; look at the Romans persisting against Hannibal’s Carthaginians even though Hannibal was able to win the big battles…

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Apparently, some folks are trying to say “hundred years war? Watch this!”

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        Gee, we’ve already had our 100 years war, starting back in WWI and all the way up to now, since we still have people in the ME war zone.

        So when is this one going to end?

    • Hack Stone says:

      … a city in England has an annual cheese-rolling contest? Held each year in Gloucestershire, England, the contest involves people chasing a seven-pound round block of cheese down a steep, bumpy hill.

      He left out that Dennis Howard Chevalier has won the contest for seven consecutive years.

  26. The Other Whitey says:

    One of the great things about a smart tv: I can key up YouTube, get a Sam Cooke playlist going, and watch my kids dance to great music!

  27. HMCS(FMF) ret says:

    A PSA from the other “smart military blog”:


  28. Roh-Dog says:

    “Why is the ammo gone?” The video https://youtu.be/UElgIDirsJ8
    The OP is a little long winded, I personally got offended that he didn’t include ‘preppers’ as a category of ammosexuals but wtf do I know?!
    Long and dirty, Gents: it’s going to be bad for a hot minute.
    So, next time prices dip back into the that’s-not-bad-for-xyz zone, do everyone a damn favor and buy deep and tall!
    You’ve been warned! (Again, ffs!)

  29. 26Limabeans says:

    The Antonov AN-225 landed at Bangor yesterday:


    I saw it on final in 2006 as it crossed in front
    of me over I-95 at about 500ft, 1/4 mile from the apron.
    Took the next exit and went over to the airport to have a look.

    KBGR runway one five is 11441 ft so at least there is that.

    • Sapper3307 says:

      Sending some somoliees home?

    • Mason says:

      I’d love to see that thing some day in flight.

      During basic at Lackland I enjoyed watching the C-5s from Kelly Field circle around. So big you can almost play a regulation football game inside one. They really defy belief that they can actually fly. Compared to the 747s that’d also come out of Kelly, the C5 made them look positively svelte.

  30. Hack Stone says:

    Asian Murder Hornet captured in Washington State. ANTIFA immediately assembled a mostly peaceful protest and burned down a Department of Agriculture building demanding his release.


  31. Hack Stone says:

    Word is that the guy has been looking to get his hands on a 1980’s vintage Jaguar to really drive down the property values.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      You just don’t fuck with some people sans consequences. I’d invite Jehovah’s Witnesses to canvass the neighborhood as well!

  32. ninja says:

    Some teenagers are SO DUMB.

    IMHO, I don’t believe what this 18 year old said.

    And the part about his Grandmother buying him a vest to wear while “protesting”?

    Well, You Be The Judge on that one.


    “18-Year-Old Accused of Arson At Federal Courthouse In Portland”


    “An 18 year old man made his first appearance in federal court Friday on an arson allegation, accused of lighting and throwing a large firework Tuesday over the fence at the front of the Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse in downtown Portland.”

    “The firework struck protective wood covering the entrance and set it on fire, federal authorities said.”

    “Gabriel Agard-Berryhill turned himself in to authorities on Thursday.”

    “Agard-Berryhill told federal officers that an unknown man in a ski mask handed him what he thought was a spinner-type firework that would rotate with varied colors when lit.”

    “Agard-Berryhill said he was going to light it and throw it in the area of Southwest Third Avenue, but others told him that some people in the crowd have post-traumatic stress from tear gas launched by federal officers and directed him instead to throw it over the fence toward the courthouse.”

    “He admitted he lit the device, described as the size of a piece of chalk, and threw it over the fence, according to Amanda Johnson, an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.”

    “Agard-Berryhill said he was shocked to hear the “concussive” sound that it produced and it scared him, Johnson wrote in an affidavit. He told federal officers he didn’t intend to hurt anyone.”

    “Agard-Berryhill was partially identified through a YouTube video that captured the clothing he was wearing and a post on social media where his grandmother noted that she bought the tactical vest he was seen wearing in photos from a recent night at the downtown protests, according to the affidavit.”

    “I got this for my grandson who’s a protestor downtown, he uses it every night and says it does the job,” “grammaf” wrote in a website review of the vest with a photo of Agard-Berryhill.”

    “U.S. marshals contacted a probation officer from the Oregon Youth Authority’s North Valley office, where Agard-Berryhill had been supervised for an unspecified felony offense, according to court records.”

    “U.S. Magistrate Judge Jolie A. Russo allowed Agard-Berryhill to be released. He must not come within a five-block radius of the courthouse at any time of the day or night while his case is pending.”

    “If convicted, arson beings a minimum mandatory sentence of five years and a maximum potential sentence of 20 years.”

    • Sapper3307 says:

      VIVA 4Chan!

    • Hondo says:

      “U.S. marshals contacted a probation officer from the Oregon Youth Authority’s North Valley office, where Agard-Berryhill had been supervised for an unspecified felony offense, according to court records.” (emphasis added)

      Why does this not surprise me.

    • Green Thumb says:

      The name Agard-Berryhill speaks volumes.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      Sounds like he’s a-gonna be Bubba & Thor’s cute new “fish”!

  33. MarineDad61 says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but…….
    From the article:
    (paste) [We are excited to now offer the
    National POW/MIA Memorial & Museum official challenge coin.

    The official National POW/MIA Challenge Coin is made with high quality alloys and inlayed in detailed 3D color.
    The coin is 2 inches in diameter and is a very thick 5/32″.
    Pickup one today and help support our mission.]
    (end paste)

    I have been a casual distant fan of the POW*MIA cause.
    That said,
    these MF knuckleheads come out with a Challenge Coin,
    and they get the CAMPAIGN RIBBONS WRONG.

    See for yourself.

  34. MarineDad61 says:

    $20 each, plus shipping/tax = $24.40 each.
    Suitable for clowns and phonies…
    including Elko, Nevada?

    • rgr769 says:

      I heard at least a dozen were shipped to Elko. Two went to the courthouse.

      • MarineDad61 says:

        These Challenged Coins are obviously too expensive for the
        Elko POW*MIA Awareness Ass.
        to grab up, and put out,
        at their various canopy display tent trinket sales events.

  35. MarineDad61 says:

    Stolen Valor phony General Kirjath Toney LIVES..
    and SPEAKS…. on FakeBook!

    (Partial Paste) – [You Both are so stupid and dumb,
    talking about things you know nothing about,
    now everyone that knows me,
    now they know how stupid you realy are.]

    (Featured on VG/TAH May 5 & 30, 2015)


    • MarineDad61 says:

      Ol’ General Father Kirjath just learned how to use the DELETE function.
      Post says 7 Comments…. but you’ll only see 3 now.

    • Green Thumb says:

      I remember Phony Toney.

      He had the giant yellow gloves and appeared to be attempting to levitate.

      Fucking clown.

    • The Stranger says:

      You mean that old turd hasn’t shuffled off this mortal coil? Fuck that dude and fuck the Oddfellows.

      • MarineDad61 says:

        Not yet.
        He’s all about God, Jesus, and the Bible now.
        Haven’t we seen enough of that con switch before?

  36. Mason says:

    The mental gymnastics one goes through to be offended have just been upped.


    Hard to believe this isn’t satire.

  37. Roh-Dog says:

    I’ve got a ‘story worth a read:
    “A bar in Western New York says the state suspended their liquor license over a satirical menu which spells out “F*CK CUOMO” – meant to mock the governor over his executive order requiring customers to purchase food with alcohol, according to Spectrum News.”
    Tyrants gonna tyrant, I guess.

  38. Roh-Dog says:

    Do you have ADD?
    Do you like jump cuts and quick culty jokes about internets?
    Do you have a sick infatuation with the sh*tshow that has been 2020?
    Yes?! Well then, here’s your medicine! (NSFW/language/Austral-yen accent warning!) https://youtu.be/2rRIqrWuYy4

  39. MarineDad61 says:

    Headline –
    [Military Stolen Valor Cases on the Rise, Investigators Say]

    New US Government effort to bust Stolen Valor FRAUD
    (VA, businesses, organizations).