Alexander Vindman up for Colonel, Could President Trump Nix Promotion?

| June 21, 2020

Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman is up for Colonel this year. Democrats are worried that President Trump will step in and cause Vindman’s name to be removed from the promotion list. They’re trying to paint such action as “vindictiveness” and “politicizing the military”.

From Military Times:

Vindman is among hundreds of officers selected to be promoted to full colonel this year, a process that typically only involves superficial approval from the White House and Senate.

But reports that Trump may take the unusual step to block Vindman’s career advancement drew concern from Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., an Army veteran, who said that “partisan interference with the military’s merit-based promotion system” could cause serious problems.

“The military defends our nation and is not aligned with a political party,” he said in a statement late Thursday. “There are laws and traditions to prevent individuals from polarizing the U.S. Armed Forces to the detriment and demoralization of all.

“The promotion process is about individuals, but it also sends a signal to our troops about what kind of soldiers get promoted … I do not know the results of that promotion board, nor should I. The Army decides these cases on the merits, and I would hope the White House does as well.”

Reed’s armed services committee colleague Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill., an Iraq War veteran, issued similar warnings on social media Thursday, saying she’ll be pressing Pentagon leaders for assurances that politics won’t interfere with routine promotions work.

Military Times has the full article here.

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Slow Joe

How the fuck can that rat even be considered for promotion?

Had he been an NCO, he would have been canned a century ago.

26Limabeans

He should be considered and then turned
down for cause with extreme prejudice.

11B-Mailclerk

“I cannot think of any utilization of this officer, for any position, that would improve upon leaving the position open and the relevant work not done.”

“In the absence of expectations, reliably fails to meet them.”

26Limabeans

“exhibits impeccable grooming skills”

Doc Savage

“Performs well when cornered like a rat”

Gwdusn

“Is a legend in his own mind”

A Proud Infidel®™

“Always exhibits self-preservation skills”

26Limabeans

“Practices safe oral hygiene”

5th/77th FA

“Works well on others…on his knees.”

NHSparky

“I would not allow this officer to breed.”

Ex-PH2

“Looks good in a suit.”

11B-Mailclerk

To smooth any ruffled feathers, all above quips might appear for EM, NCO, Warrant, Officer, and maybe Camp Follower.

We have all met them.

Green Thumb

If not for the turmoil gripping our nation over the past 6-7 years, this clown would have been slapped down for what he did.

There is no place for his actions in the Army. I have hated some senior NCO’s and Officers, but I still followed the rules.

Dude was about himself. And where in the fuck is his MSM and Bronze Star Meritorious?

Jus Bill

He drove a desk with merit?

Green Thumb

I have seen dudes (and chicks) drive less….

rgr769

Green Thumb, I answered your query to me on the WOT on M-60 barrel changes. (See my reply there) The short answer is no barrel changes. Also, I don’t believe we had extra shortened spare barrels, but we could have sent one of the full length ones if necessary. In the five months my company was operational before deactivation, our M-60s were never fired in combat. Fortunately, their firepower was never needed.

Mason

To be on the O-6 promote list without either is really astonishing.

ninja

Mason, before OEF and OIF, there were lots of O5/LTCs who were selected for promotion to O6/Colonel in the Active Army who did not have a Bronze Star.

I know. I have sat on Promotion Boards.

MSG Eric

Well, this is 2020 and long after OIF and OEF. So I would say this is a time when you should see those unless there’s an extreme reason. Especially since by this point they should have a deployment or two under their belt with the higher level awards.

Mason

Totally, I’m saying for the last several years. Ever look at the pictures of the senior enlisted advisor for each branch? From the 60’s to the mid-90’s there’s a slow progression of new medals. From about 2000 to now the ribbon racks on some of these guys exploded and are two or three times the size they used to be. The AF is the worst offender IMO, I can speak to that having been on… Read more »

MSG Eric

The only thing I think of when I look at the rack for my dress uniform is “75 bucks”.

I look back to the badasses of WW2 and see like 3 or 4 ribbons and know they really went through some shit and didn’t need an award for everything.

Jay

PRECISELY. The bigger my stack got (and trust me, it wasn’t huge), the more I got pissed about how much it was gonna cost to get mounted. Never failed: I’d JUST get my shit mounted and the next awards update would come out and i’d rate a star or some BS participation award for SOMETHING. My last 5 years my shit was so far out of date, I didn’t even care anymore. I got my… Read more »

Anonymous

I hear ya: Stop giving me petty little sh*t right before a board– can this wait? Surprise, you get to spend $70/apiece and jump through your butt to get a DA photo (or look ate up) we already put it in iPERMS!

MI Ranger

Except that starting in the early 2000s it became no Soldier left behind. You had to do some really screwed up $hit and be reprimanded in writing in order to not get promoted (Officer and NCO). Even then, Commanders sometimes did not get the paperwork in on time to prevent an Automatic promotion. For Officers it finally stopped in 2015 (at least for O-5+, but not to O-4). Vindman is being looked at in his… Read more »

NHSparky

Don’t even need to go that far. When I came in, a NAM might be a retirement award for E-6/7. I knew a CPO in ET-A school in mid-80’s whose ribbon rack consisted of 5 GCMs and NDSM. That was IT. By the time I got out, I was on my 4th row with 2 NAMs (7.5 years at sea has that effect) as a senior E-6. I see kids today who just put on… Read more »

Jay

Yup. Before I retired, my HIGHEST award was a NAM. I wrote myself up (I did all my OIC’s correspondence. He was a good dude, just couldn’t write worth a damn.) for a MSM as a friggen JOKE. Joke was on me, the damn thing got approved. When they read it out at my retirement, I blurted out “You gotta be shitting me!” SgtMaj looked like he was about to friggen murder me as he… Read more »

NHSparky

In the Navy? Never, unless dude was a flag writer (Admiral’s Yeoman), and a damn good one at that.

Only submarine guy I can recall was my first Chief of the Boat (COB) on my first boat. Then again, he had been in 42 years before he finally pulled the plug.

MSG Eric

Impressive. Congratulations.

All I can say is, what’s the SgtMaj gonna do, kick you out? Bend your dog tags?

Sometimes E-9s need to have their button pushed just to make sure they are still functional. It can be fun, from time to time.

SFC D

Not uncommon in the Army at that level. I have 2.

11B-Mailclerk

Things have changed. I typed up no more than three or so MSMs my whole time as awards clerk. One was for a stellar Captain end of tour. The others were retirement Awards for NCOs.

Peacetime, stateside.

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

How come these demoRAT shit birds didn’t say anything while vindman was involved and working with obamas shadow Govt. slow moving Coup to remove the POTUS????

5th/77th FA

If he can’t be considered for promotion because he was a rat, then he shouldn’t be considered for promotion because he is a rat. And what out of this world dimension are those kongress kritters in that think that promotion to higher from 05 is NOT political? The dims will make sure he gets his Bird. Speaking of birds, the spapos seagull showing up in 5.4.3.2.. Here’s a novel thought. Let’s quit feeding the spapos,… Read more »

rgr769

Larsie has been MIA for a couple of days. I suspect he has been busy advising his Antifa butt-buddies on “Rule of Law” and how to avoid its application to them. Plus, in the San Fransicko night before last, he was likely in Golden Gate Park for the destruction of the statues of General Grant and Francis Scott Keyes, cuz they wuz alive during slavery days. Plus, I have heard Black Block and Antifa have… Read more »

NHSparky

Chopistan?

I heard it was the Soyviet Union.

Or Wokadishu. Maybe Antifastan.

So hard to keep it all straight.

Jus Bill

That disloyal POS violates the UCMJ while showboating, and then expects top be PROMOTED? He should have been prosecuted!

OWB

A politician “pressing Pentagon leaders for assurances that politics won’t interfere with routine promotions…”

Translation: “Don’t you dare allow anyone’s politics other than mine to interfere with routine promotions.”

As if this promotion would be in any way routine.

Mason

Exactly. Not only that, but the reason Congress has to approve these appointments is solely for this reason. It’s the whole point.

The President selects his nominees, the Senate confirms. Precisely so that the civilian oversight can at least stall, if not remove, from service officers. It’s supposed to prevent such malicious bootlicks from getting enough rank to overthrow the govt.

SFC D

I can’t imagine having to serve under this guy. You know the troops wouldn’t be his first priority.

NHSparky

Apparently nobody who worked with/for him liked the guy.

I believe one of his seniors had to have a “come to Jesus” moment with him regarding his bad-mouthing his own country in front of a bunch of Russian officers, and was previously discussed here.

Zulu02

I disagree with you 5/77 FA. Anything above O4 is political. Back in the day, getting a battalion command was mostly political and probably still is. You had to check all the blocks: Masters degree, served on a high level staff, taught ROTC etc. Whether you knew your MOS or not did not matter. And you had to have a senior officer sponsor. I’ve seen battalion commanders at the NTC who did not know what… Read more »

Sarge

“non illuminated, non supported night attack”

Sounds like fun.

MSG Eric

I think I would’ve preferred that in Afghanistan. My team’s hooch was about 100m from the mortar pit and there was a month long operation shooting illum’s over particular areas.

If not for Rip It, I might not have made it through all the missions we did every day after being woken up all night.

Roh-Dog

I would get ragged on because I sleep like the dead, hard and out, probably thru 3/4 of all the fire missions at COP Agar Quf. We were a Stryker unit so 120mm’s.
But brew coffee…

MSG Eric

during my Baghdad deployment my roommate would wake up some days and say, “did you hear that?” “Nope, didn’t hear a thing.”

Though in Afghanistan I had the mortar pit on one side and a conex size generator on the other side. I had to sleep with ear phones in at night. But, I can’t complain too much, we lived fairly well on our little FOB and had the best chow hall in RC-East.

Jay

LOVED the first day of fighting season in AFG (cue sarc/font). Getting the IDF alarm almost every hour ON the hour….

No wonder those assholes were in such bad moods all the time, as hot and smelly as it was over there.

timactual

Had to share an LZ with an 8″ battery once. Not just noisy, but the ground would jump when they fired. Fortunately they didn’t fire too often.

rgr1480

Been there, done that …. as a Green-Team Observer/Controller … in a jeep dodging tanks.

It ain’t no fun when the full moon is not out.

Zulu-O2, you sound like a major I worked for at NTC from 1983~85. His tag line was always, “What’s that got to do with killing communists?” He retired as a full colonel. God Bless that man!

MI Ranger

As a Green Team OC back then you must have seen some of those 7s who came through and got their Place In the Desert with no legs. As the Green Teams’ 9er from 2006-2007 we had a 7 come in and tell us there were too many PIDs for him to go find. He was going to change the rules so he could get his Belt Buckle. This at a time when we could… Read more »

rgr1480

I was there with the Original COG: Colonel William Shackleford (God bless that man!) — what a non-political man. After he left we got COG #2 …… Wesley Clark. Let’s talk. (^__^) Col “Wes” Clark had flames shooting out of his ass, he was that sort of political “fast burner.” He changed the ROE almost forcing the OPFOR to lose — because they were so good and seldom gave Blue Force any chances. But it’s… Read more »

rgr1480

OPFOR commander at that time was LTC Claude Abate. *STUD*
He kicked ass and took names ….

His name sounds like “a-body”.

MSG Eric

Yep, still is.

Also, in some branches as long as you have a pulse, you get promoted to O5. (In Civil Affairs, I’ve known more than a few that might not have even had a pulse and still made O5.)

rgr769

Civil Affairs is the most worthless branch in the Army.

MSG Eric

Funny how often we hear that from combat arms types, until it’s time to go into a populated area.

My team was the biggest provider of “intelligence” in our AOR in Afghanistan because we had all the contacts with the local populace because of our “branch”. Among other factors making us not worthless.

Not to say there aren’t worthless types and those that are a hindrance, but that can be said about every branch.

11B-Mailclerk

Well, as someone who drank deep from the lister bag of Infantry Kool Aid, only to wind up working as Mailclerk and other S-1 tasks, I sympathize. At least a little. Ahem. On the other hand, given that odious CA example that squawks on this forum, perhaps some folks may have a bit of bias induced by having to deal with gull-shit on everything. And on the gripping hand, urban areas are easily bypassed by… Read more »

5th/77th FA

11B, you call for a fire mission? The guns are laid and the Bunnies got nothing better to do.

Had planned on taking the Ladies to the Theater for a play.

https://postplayhouse.com/

MSG Eric

I sympathize with you there. Early 2001 I was sent to the “schoolhouse” to be an instructor. I was there until ’04 and had to watch my students get deployment after deployment while I sat and taught. It was quite frustrating to the end. While there are CA officers of his ilk, they are not as widespread as it would seem. Back around 2005, there was an absurdly critical shortage of CA Officers because of… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

Don’t get me started on the insanity of a never-ending war without a clear Victory objective.

When there is a levy on units, do the commanders say “This is important! Filter out our top flexible talent and send them.” Or “Great! Flush our turds.”

timactual

I have long wondered what civil affairs did and how much input they had in “Operation Iraqi Freedom” from 2003 on. Got any good links?

timactual

I have thought for several decades now that the Communist use of a “political officer”, zampolit, or whatever you want to call it, was actually a useful idea. If I recall correctly, one of the functions of the political officer is civil affairs, which also concerns the behavior of our troops toward the civilian population. This function is critical in revolutionary wars and counter insurgency, and unless things have changed a lot since I was… Read more »

Roh-Dog

JAG called, they offend.

rgr769

As an ex-lawer, I would disagree, but only because a JAG lawer can draft a last will and testament. In response to the MSG, I concede Civil Affairs is a necessary function, I was just never impressed with their officers, especially the Reserve officers. I once briefly interfaced with a Reserve Civil Affairs Group here in CONUS at their annual training, its officers all struck me as being on a boondoggle with pay for a… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

What if promotion to O-3 for -any- Army branch required a Ranger Tab? Expand the school as needed, but no slack at all in standards. And I mean not just combat arms but doctors, lawyers, chaplains, -any- officer.

We need to be looking for a better moral/virtue filter. Do “officer” right, or do without them.

MSG Eric

The biggest issue I would see with that is, you would then need to open about 10 more Ranger schools to meet the school seat demands of all those O-1s and O-2s to give them the opportunity to attend Ranger school. The Army isn’t going to spend the money to do that kind of thing. And not to disparage the Ranger tab, but I’ve met more than one officer with one that was scum and… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

Oh any system can be gamed. The trick seems to be having a system ruleset that even “gamed” tends to produce good, or at least useable, results. I keep telling co workers to say to me what I am doing wrong, from their point of view. Kudos are nice, but don’t help me fix bad habits (Of which I have plenty). It is one thing for an opponent to say “you suck”. Quite another for… Read more »

MSG Eric

I’ve seen more than one commander pissed off because of the infrastructure development mission and act as if it is Civil Affairs’ fault they have to do it. Iraq was an industrial nation, we didn’t need to completely rebuild and in some cases “build” their whole country to get them functioning again. Infrastructure was important, but it was more important for them to figure out who they were after decades of Sadaam. Afghanistan’s situation didn’t… Read more »

timactual

I seem to recall that the Special Forces started out with that mission; sort of an armed Peace Corps. “Winning the hearts and minds of the people” may be an old and much ridiculed cliche, but that is what COIN is all about. Now it seems that anything with “special” in it wants to be strictly a Rambo type commando unit.

rgr769

I think you would have a great many unpromotable LT’s forced to leave the service. My Ranger school class was the seventh one which was mandatory for all RA combat arms second lieutenants. Needless to say we had quite a few other than infantry officers who were not happy to be there. After a few years the Army abandoned that requirement. I doubt Ranger school training has much utility for an Air Defense Artillery officer… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

On the other hand, having all the support folks able to understand, on a personal level, what mission they support seems like a good idea. And there are myriad stories of units where various non-infantry are pressed into service as riflemen, averting catastrophe. The current system seems broken. The biggest problem is the lack of Victory thinking. (What is it in this case? How do we obtain it? If we ain’t done, and can’t say… Read more »

MI Ranger

It is actually contradictory in MI. I got my tab when I was enlisted (11B), and because of that when I got commissioned they did not Branch Detail me. However, it also kept me stuck in Operations, and away from the strategic side of things. For that reason , and a tendency to poke leaders in the chest to make a decision (now not later), I did not get touchy feeling positions. When my old… Read more »

MSG Eric

I did multiple JRTC rotations and I wasn’t impressed with any of them in regards to the scenario and what CA did as part of it. The problem is, every “problem” that popped up I was able to out-think and every question I asked, the white cell didn’t have a straight answer for. They also pushed out “issues” that I was unable to solve because of exercise restrictions, though in reality I could make a… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

I read the CA blurb on the GoArmy site, and it sounds like we have to ask the locals nicely to go along with us, and we plan to be around for a long time. I suspect that second part is part of the problem. I dont believe most folks in any current or potential engagement area -want- us around very long, even as liberators. We are too alien. We are alien to most of… Read more »

timactual

Nobody wants a foreign Army in their country, even a friendly one. A famous British complaint from WWII is that Yanks are “overpaid, oversexed, and over here”. A necessary evil is still evil.

NHSparky

Ah, that explains how Lars made Major.

ninja

“Also, in some branches as long as you have a pulse, you get promoted to O5.”

MSG Eric, are you speaking of the Active Army, the Army Reserves or the National Guard?

If you are speaking of the Active Army, then your statement is incorrect.

MSG Eric

I would concur that there will be a higher number in the Reserve component (National Guard and Reserve), but there are still those in the Active Army, even if they are fewer.

Ever met an O5 and you wondered who tied his shoes for him?

ninja

The O5 tied his or her own shoes.

To be honest with you, never looked at a person’s shoes and ask that question, no matter what rank that person is.

Has to be something in your background that you made that snide comment.

So sad. And coming from an E8.

Sadder.

MSG Eric

I think you are fortunate if you haven’t met an O5 who shouldn’t be an O5, regardless of component. The way you phrased that, you make it seem like you’ve only ever interacted with one or two O5s in the Army in your career, which is stunning, but possible I suppose? (I’ve dealt with hundreds of field grades, Reserve and Active component in my over two decades of service) I’ve met plenty of damn fine… Read more »

ninja

“…you make it seem like you’ve only ever interacted with one or two O5s in the Army in your career…” Seriously? If you only knew…am not going to use this blog to discuss the ninja family Army Career… You single out an Officer via a Military Times article. Which is similiar to CNN singling out a LEO in MN. One bad apple does not mean the others are bad. Sound familiar? As in folks wanting… Read more »

MSG Eric

You should read my other comments, but at no point did I disparage the ENTIRE OFFICER CORPS.

You didn’t even make it past the second paragraph, or you wouldn’t have posted what you just did.

Sounds like you’re a bit too defensive and should count to ten before you post further. Perhaps check with the ninja family first to be sure?

ninja

Wrong.

Again.

I read everything you wrote.

I can’t count to ten…remember? According to the Gospel of a Senior NCO,
us Senior Field Grade Officers don’t know how to tie our shoes, let alone count.

In fact, according to the Gospel of Senior NCOs, us Senior Field Grave Officers don’t know how to do much of anything.

Well, that’s your oponion and assessments.our Soldiers, Enlisted, NCOs, Commany commanders Platoon leadrs love us. No backstabbimg

MSG Eric

What in the holy hell are you talking about?

Seriously, it’s like you’re reading something else and applying it here.

11B-Mailclerk

Are you two not on the same team? You are both professionals in different fields. Neither NCO nor Officer is “better”. Different. Essential. What happens to a good infantry battalion if every single officer is missing for a week? Every single NCO instead? Answer as a member of that unit, facing an enemy, not your particular fraternity. The problem is shitbags. Neither of you is accepting the other’s criticism. Both of you are in error… Read more »

MSG Eric

I see your point 11B and totally agree. However, I’m not seeing where I said all officers are bad, nor all NCOs are good.

I provided plenty of examples of both good and bad officers and NCOs. (The top three best bosses I’ve ever had were O4s and O5s.) Perhaps my comments were misconstrued as such, but that was definitely not intended.

11B-Mailclerk

MSG Eric, I do not believe I or Ninja said that. I think folks have their pride up, and the conversation stopped being about solving the excess of … sub-par folks in leadership roles. And there -is-. For many reasons. It gets people killed needlessly. It leads to all sorts of bad press, which we comment on endlessly. Unchecked, it threatens the Republic. So everyone dial it back a few notches, and understand that mocking… Read more »

MSG Eric

Pride is the problem. The fact people get butthurt because their “group” gets talked about and/or someone in their group does which they think reflects on the whole. I would say that’s not just a rank thing, but also a branch thing. We should be able to make fun of each other regularly without people whining AND point out scumbags as such without defensive blocks being put up. (Two decades in Civil Affairs, I’ve heard… Read more »

timactual

“One bad apple does not mean the others are bad.”

When that one bad apple is inspected and graded multiple times and still gets to the top of the barrel the probability is that there are other bad apples also rising to the top of the barrel.

Honor and Courage

The wheels of the Army could not move without Master SERGEANTS. When the Officers get their hands on the work it starts turning to shit! Working at DOD Staff level I have seen my share of worthless Officers, the average would run at about 30%. That the 04,05 levels, that’s includes all components. I activated an 05 for a slot at DA HQs, that I had a by name request for and he called me… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

I can give examples of shitbag “NCOs”. I am sure officers and NCOs can give examples of shitbag junior enlisted. I sure can. We need competency at all ranks, and virtue at all ranks. No army can function without all three sets being present, privates, sergeants, officers. Ours functions -well- to the degree all three are purged of the sub-par and the shitbags. Show me a good example professional response. Lead by example -is- a… Read more »

ninja

Zulu02 wrote: “Anything above O4 is political. Back in the day, getting a battalion command was mostly political and probably still is. You had to check all the blocks: Masters degree, served on a high level staff, taught ROTC etc. Whether you knew your MOS or not did not matter. And you had to have a senior officer sponsor.” How long have you been retired, Zulu? Your statement is not exactly true, especially the “political”… Read more »

Ret_25X

Politics is everything. It’s just not the thing described by the Army. No officer known to be dedicated to mission and troops is viable outside certain “special” occupations. As for “branch qualification” don’t make me laugh. Holding a KD assignment is NOT the same as a qualification system. We don’t test for knowledge. We no longer test for tactical or technical ability. We no longer run real qual courses (outside SF and CA) and we… Read more »

ninja

So speaks the Senior NCO about Commissioned Officers. Were you ever Commissioned, Ret_25X? What is a KD assignment? When were you in? Active? Reserves? National Guard? Interesting how I have yet to read one comment coming from an Active Duty Commissioned Officer (Retired or Active), unless Zulu02 is the exception. Still wondering the time frame Zulu served. Comments seem to be coming from NCOs that seem bitter about something. Wonder why the bitterness. Passover for… Read more »

MSG Eric

You seem to be a bit too defensive about this, as if we’re talking about all officers being scumbags, which is definitely not the case. As a Battalion CSM, I had to fire two 1SGs because they didn’t cut it. I saw more than a few senior NCOs who should’ve been fired, but weren’t because of “something something”, which often meant they were buddies with the CSM or someone else and became untouchable. I don’t… Read more »

Ret_25X

After so many years of trying to squeeze 300 officers into 30 KD billets, or watching KD billets sit empty because the CDR did not personally like people, I knew that officers get the shaft–from their seniors. KD assignments are often nothing but favors seniors hand out to “their” juniors. There is usually no OML, no competition, no attempt to vet and validate the officers to ensure some attempt is made to implement some objective… Read more »

MI Ranger

RET_25X much of what you describe is the same issue with NCO leadership ability as well. My personal experience goes this way: I never had a leader counsel me on what was expected in my job but twice, prior to my evaluation being due. Coincidently both of those leaders did not rate me (one chose not to give me a 90 day OER because it might hurt me…when in fact it did the opposite; the… Read more »

timactual

“soldiers see what is going on and understand it.” Why thank you. As a former enlisted swine I am surprised and gratified that a senior NCO or officer would say such a thing. That is, I believe, the first time I have heard it said. It is definitely true and is why my once generally positive opinion of officers is now negative; guilty until proven innocent, so to speak. “Salute the uniform, not the man”… Read more »

Honor and Courage

TURNED DOWN A SHOT AT A BATTLE FIELD COMMISSION! ALREAY HAD TO 10 MONTHS IN AND DID NOT WANT TO START OVER WITH A 3RD YEAR IN THE BUSH! 90% of the best field officers were Rifted when the war started winding down. The ring knockers were all retained. I put many an Officer back in the system while processing new Soldiers in the Army. My Battalion S4 was on 04, and came back as… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

The whole endless not-quite-war because not-quite-victory is a -big- part of it. -biggest- I have a pretty harsh view of that. I think some folks need to be willing to say “fuck my career. Your are full of shit.” As a PFC, I told off my 1SG over an illegal order, as I saw it. Professionally, respectfully, patiently, but when pushed a bit to far, I told him I wouldn’t obey because I had been… Read more »

MustangCryppie

Well, on the “merits” I would say the “good” Colonel is fucked.

If he is selected, THAT would be political in my opinion.

Buckeye Jim

You are totally correct.

BZ

MSG Eric

The way Army Human Resources Command functions, I wouldn’t be surprised if they added him to the promotion list just to spite the CINC because that’s the kind of crap HRC as a bureaucracy pulls.

They were perfectly fine with kicking thousands of Soldiers to the curb under the last regime after all.

ninja

HRC has nothing to do with this.

Do you know the Active Army Officer Promotion System, MSG Eric?

Sincerely, the ninja family members who have sat on Active Army Officer Promotion Boards and Active Army Officer Command Selection Boards

MSG Eric

I’ve sat on boards myself. The best thing I could say about “selection boards” is, they can only make a recommendation based on the information they are provided. A CSM I knew once was talking about a Senior board he was sitting on where an NCO he had rated had a packet before that board. The evaluation he wrote for the NCO was nowhere to be seen, but the board president told him, “sorry but… Read more »

George V

Well, using something I heard about when I served in the Navy, if he were a Commander up for Captain, he could be promoted and then made CO of an un-powered sludge barge based in Adak, Alaska. Oh, and it’s not TDY, it’s a full 3 years, it’s an unaccompanied assignment (leave the wife behind) and there’s quarters on the barge, so no quarters allowance. Doesn’t the Army have similar plum assignments the Colonel could… Read more »

SFC D

I had a BDE Commander, O-6, got a DUI. From outward appearances, he got off with a slap on the wrist, and allowed to finish his command.

Next stop was as Chief of Staff, West Point. Where his career was allowed to quietly die.

Guy had at least 2 stars in his future before he got in that car.

Honor and Courage

Had an 05 in DC that used the IPERMS system to look up political, Officers. He got a General officer Reprimand and his security Clearance revoked! You know what an 05 without a Clearance does? Empty trash cans in Germany. when his time was up. he was discharged.

ninja

George V:

What is YOUR definition of a “plum” assignment for a US Army Colonel, Active Duty?

Asking For A Friend

ArmyATC

Democrats are so hypocritical. You know damned well that if Vindman doesn’t get his bird the Democrats are going to make it political and scream for an investigation.

NHSparky

Or renew impeachment bullshit.

11B-Mailclerk

Give Vindman a Bird

(Raises finger)

Okay.

….

Hm. Wrong bird? Okay. Give him our seagull. They deserve each other.

Same difference.

SFC D

He’ll be seeking a position on Vindman’s staff.

Oral support.

HMCS(FMF) ret

It’s Monday morning and no commentary… wow

11B-Mailclerk

He rarely replies to me, although my strawman double gets bashed a bit.

Mustang Major

Vindman could be edged out by diversity selections. The Army’s “woke” leadership may give the selection board instructions concerning diversity selections this year.

On the other hand, some of the selection board members will think about their future career prospects for serving on a board that didn’t select Vindman. Re: What does Gen. Millie expect.

Mason

He’s an immigrant, so he ticks the diversity box even though he’s literally Caucasian.

Harry D

“Reed’s armed services committee colleague Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill., an Iraq War veteran, issued similar warnings on social media Thursday, saying she’ll be pressing Pentagon leaders for assurances that politics won’t interfere with routine promotions work.”

By saying that, these leftist imbeciles just made this partisan AND political.

Ret_25X

During 5 assignments as a SGM/CSM, I only met one COL who was not a full on advocate for far left politics. ONE Let that sink in. 4 BDE Commanders and literally hundreds of COLs on staff and I only ever met ONE who wasn’t a full on lefty. He was a neoliberal, but not a leftist. Predictably, he saw the reality and retired earlier than he might have. The real war fighters of the… Read more »

Ret_25X

To add to this, both the evaluation system and CSL system for assignments are designed to reward the narcissist or toxic personality.

No selfless service personality will ever have the cheese whiz evals to compete for promotion.

We select for Massengales and not Damons….(referring to Once an Eagle by Anton Myrer).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_an_Eagle

ninja

“Once Upon An Eagle.”

Oh, Bother.

That book took place during WW1.

OLD SCHOOL.

Give me a break.

Massengale= West Point.

Damon= OCS/Battlefield Commission.

This is 2020, not 1920.

Stereotyping Commissioned Officers.

Not good.

5th/77th FA

ninja, or we could say that the good Officers follow the teachings of the Bobby Lees (Duty is the sublimist word in the dictionary), the Tom Jacksons (Then, Sir, we will give them the bayonet), the Lewis Armisteads (Trust on God and Fear Nothing); where as the not so good Officers follow the examples of the Johnny Popes (My Headquarters will be in my saddle) or the Dan Sickles (I did not like my assigned… Read more »

ninja

KoB wrote: “You take care of your Men (Troops), then they will take care of the Mission and you.” AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! THAT is EXACTLY what the ninja family members were taught and what we ALWAYS believed in. The ninja family has had their share of problem children. It is not fun to Chapter a Soldier out of the Army, but for the good of the Army, we had to. And I don’t give a… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

Do you know LTC (ret) Tom Kratman? Read his books?

That is my idea of a damn good officer. He was my company commander.

CSM James McIntosh? (RIP) He was my CSM.

That is my idea of a damn good NCO.

timactual

“That book took place during WW1.”

You should have read the whole thing.

” The book appears on the Commandant’s required reading list for all First Lieutenants in the United States Marine Corps, and frequently serves as a text for cadets in leadership classes at West Point.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_an_Eagle

ninja

Ret_25X: Interesting. The ninja family, retiring at Field Grade Officer level, are not Left. Neither are their friends and co-workers, a mixedture of NCO and Officers. Officers not caring for or interested in their Soldiers? Interesting considering the ninja family still stays in touch with some of their Solders. Sorry you did not have a good experience in the Army, Ret_25x, even though it looks as if it was not that bad since you seem… Read more »

old98z

Perception that promotion to senior grade is suckass/positional is historical.
Whats new?
And Ninja is also right.
Don’t accuse without facts.
My experience is most probably different than yours.
Mine was 20 years ago and MI but the military won’t change until people do.

ninja

Thank You, old98z.

You NAILED IT when you wrote “the military won’t change until people do and “Perception that promotion to senior grade is suckass/positional is historical.”

SPOT ON!

👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍

timactual

“only ONE of the hundreds of COLs and GOs I have worked with were the least bit interested in my soldiers” That was my experience, also, albeit at a lower level. Did see my Div. commander once, though. At an impromptu (maybe) press conference, all polished and starched, his little non-reg patent leather holster (those 1911s are just too heavy) shining in the sun, as he told the press about his boys’ high morale, aggressive… Read more »

Andy11M

” Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., an Army veteran, who said that “partisan interference with the military’s merit-based promotion system” could cause serious problems.” Hmmm, I know if I spent enough time digging around I could find that video of Hillary when she was still in congress making that Army Gen at his confirmation hearing for the some major command (it escapes me now) testify that we were loosing the war,solely to embarrass Pres Bush, and… Read more »

E4 Mafia '83-'87

Full bird colonel? He’s shown his desire to circumvent the chain of command, disregard standing orders, and displayed loyalty to nation that is NOT the United States. What happened to his new gig as Ukrainian Sec of Defense?
None of these Democrats give 2 shits about this guy. They just want to reward him for being their stooge.

rgr769

Plus he leaked the contents of a classified phone call with a foreign leader to Eric the Rat at CIA, with no need to know, solely for a political purpose, the Whistleblower impeachment charade.

ninja

Did or has Vindman gone before a Promotion board? Was he considered with his peers to go before the Board before the Impeachment hearing? Was his name already on a list to go before Senate Confirmation before the Impeachment Hearing? https://www.senate.gov/legislative/noms_confn.htm Did he receive an OER on his last assignment? Was his Senior Rater a Civilian or Military? Vindman was selected for War College before the Impeacment Hearings. Most Officers selected for War College are… Read more »

old98z

Perhaps address the graphic chosen for the post. Obviously it was going to provoke comments if there is a rat badge posted on a figure’s US military uniform. Whether or not it is fair to characterize a person that way, it is sure to get the comment count up. More mundane posts here never score more than single digits in responses, a post starts with a controversial image is more likely to get the blood… Read more »

ninja

old98z: “If so – to the mods – can’t be certain this practice does not chase off as many participants as it may attract.” You made an excellent point, old98z. This post was supposed to be about Vindman, but sadly, ended up being a post with several negative/deragatory remarks about Army Officers, the Active Army Officer Promotion System (not true about politics or knowing someone to get promoted) or different persectives of Branches of the… Read more »

timactual

“It is so sad to read comments from some who stereotype the US Army Active Duty Promotion System, let alone knocking down Commissioned Officers.” It is even sadder to be able to make such comments. When you realize that the people you have looked up to and respected all your life (my father retired as an O5 after 23 years) and to whom you entrust your life and your welfare are sometimes incompetent, sometimes actually… Read more »

David

“The same people calling for Vindman’s promotion to be politically influenced… er, guaranteed but officially not subject to political input from the ‘wrong’ (orange) party, are the same ones who want to use all the political influence they have to get Crozier reinstated in command.
Might be just a bit hypocritical?

SFC D

I’d be happy if Vindman and Crozier held hands, retired, and skipped off into the sunset, never to be heard from again.

MSG Eric

Politicians being hypocritical? Next thing you’ll tell me is that Antifa is using Fascist tactics to further their own goals!

Mick

Not sure why there is all of this pointless whining and moaning about LTC Vindman potentially being denied promotion to Colonel. The President is the Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces. Commissioned officers serve at the pleasure of the President. Therefore, the President can deny the promotion of any officer in the U.S. Armed Forces if he chooses to do so. If President Trump declines to promote/commission LTC Vindman as a Colonel in… Read more »

USAF RET

No way that dude could pass a PT test.

Zulu02

RGR1480: Blue Team 1982-1983 as the infantry OC, then Live Fire Team Chief. We probably know the same folks.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

It seems all promotions become political after a while, officer or NCO. But that’s true of the civilian world as well. We are political/social creatures by nature. We bond with certain people far more closely than others, and we tend to surround ourselves with those we trust and share a world view with. It’s human nature. It’s extremely unusual in any organization I’ve been involved with to find superiors comfortable with dissent. I thank one… Read more »

Trent

When I first this a week or so ago, I was pissed. Then I realized it wasnt as earth shattering as I thought.
LTC Vindman, should he be promoted, will just be another nameless, faceless staff officer in the dark nether regions of the Pentagon until he is forced to retire.
He has no spark and no drive.

USMC Steve

As everyone knows, Commissioned officer serve at the pleasure of the President. Not only can Trump deny him promotion, but after that fraudulent shitshow of perjury he got caught committing, Trump should already have taken his commission. He can also do that any time he wants.