Obama blows off Medal of Honor recipients [Jonn]
According to TSO who was at the “Salute to Heroes Inaugural Ball”, this newly sworn-in President for the first time in 56 years blew off the ball (that’s 14 Inaugurations).
Some background on the ball;
The American Legion sponsors the ball, which recognizes recipients of Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest military award. It started in 1953 for President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s first inauguration.
Event co-sponsors include 13 other veterans service organizations, among them the Military Order of the Purple Heart and the Paralyzed Veterans of America.
So where was our new President instead of honoring Medal of Honor recipients who by some miracle are still alive? According to Huffington Post, this was his schedule for Inaugural celebrations;
Later that day, the Presidential Inaugural Committee will host 10 official inaugural balls:
_ Neighborhood Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.
_ Obama Home States (Illinois and Hawaii) Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.
_ Biden Home States (Pennsylvania and Delaware) Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.
_ Midwest Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.
_ Mid-Atlantic Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.
_ Western Inaugural Ball at the Washington Convention Center.
_ Commander in Chief’s Ball at the National Building Museum.
_ Southern Inaugural Ball at the National Guard Armory.
_ Eastern Inaugural Ball at Union Station.
_ Youth Inaugural Ball at the Washington Hilton.
Unofficial balls include:
_ Congressional Black Caucus Inaugural Ball at the Capitol Hilton.
_ Creative Coalition Inaugural Ball at the Harman Center for the Arts.
_ Recording Industry Association of America’s ball for Feeding America.
_ BET’s Inaugural Ball at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel.
_ Africa on the Potomac inaugural celebration at Crystal Gateway Marriott in Arlington, Va.
_ American Music Inaugural Ball at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel.
_ Inaugural Purple Ball at the Fairmont Hotel.
_ Human Rights Campaign’s Equality Ball at the Renaissance Mayflower Hotel.
_ Inaugural Peace Ball at the Smithsonian National Postal Museum.
_ Impact Film Fund ball.
Mr. Wolf from Blackfive sends along this link to which Inaugural Balls Obama actually attended last night.
Category: Politics
Herk,
No damage in my opinion. You have provided great insight that others, myself included, could not have put into words. Please, don’t be a stranger around here- we like insightful people! Especially when we can learn. At least, I have!
Always a pleasure, and thanks for the kind words.
Obama should’ve attended the ball. Poor form, to say the least.
203A thought Says: January 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm Herk- Not sure where to start. “First, you didn’t address any of my questions about how Obama’s timeline is an abandonment or admission of defeat while Bush’s timeline or some other timeline is not. …. Second, if the country no longer supports the cause we went to War for or it’s been shown that we went to War for the wrong reason etc.. then I don’t see how sacrificing additional men and women is the answer. I think this is where my lack of a military background hurts me the most. I can’t imagine the bond you feel between yourself and those the serve with and under you. The closest I have ever … but that argument just begets violence upon violence.” I hate to start with such a long quote, but you are right a sports team is a poor comparison. Losing a game does not cost lives and hence there is less incentive to overcome all challenges. It is over in a set amount of time (or innings) and all those that cheered or jeered from the sidelines go home to their comfortable lives. (On a sidenote, Herk, please break it up into paragraphs. You’re saying important things that need to be more readily readable.) 16 Months: The fact is that at this stage of the game, we may be able to pull out in 16 months (though unlikely logistically) without the repercussions of when Obama first began calling for that full retreat 3 years ago. The very election of Obama resulted however in a Victory party and public announcement of the same by AQ and al-Zawahari. We have in fact won in Iraq, not once, not twice, but many times against multiple enemies as I mentioned here: http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home/2009/01/what-will-we-do-now-that-iraq-is-a-success.html So, it is time for more rational minds to prevail on Obama. Iraq is a hard won war and it is time that he rescinded his old campaign platforms and imposed a new policy that seems to be completely foreign to him: Listening to the Generals who are paid to… Read more »
Why isn’t this important Ball listed here: http://www.greatseats.com/inauguration/inaugural_ball_tickets.htm
If I had wanted to go, I wouldn’t have known about it. It’s not listed.
Before you ascribe sinister motives to President Obama, maybe the C-in-C Ball is the one for which they could provide the level of security he requires. Plus, there are no photos of this “Salute to Heroes” Ball on the Internet. The references to it are all on sites like this one. So, now he’s anti-veteran because he didn’t attend a Ball that’s not recognized?
If George Bush had really supported veterans, he would have skipped the Ball and actually done something about veteran’s benefits. The way our veterans have been treated in recent years is criminal. It took a newspaper’s investigation to even start the process of fixing a very broken system. I’d hardly hold him up as the model for veteran’s support.
Jonn wrote: Yeah, you’re not a veteran. And maybe you don’t know about the Ball because we didn’t want you to go. Ever think of the obvious?
Thought-
President Bush once said that if he lost the election, it would not make or break him as a man. He could go back home and be happy. If he won, he said he would do what he thought was right to move the Country forward.
And, if you have ever seen him interact with people away from scrutiny, you would know how genuine he is. That is how I know the man was there because he wanted to be. You know, I am as much a cynic as the next person, but if you aren’t thinking that people are out to get you all the time, you can spot someone who goes from the heart.
Despite all the media has done to paint him as a power hungry, crony serving bastard, he was anything but, in my eyes. Did I agree with him on all the issues- No way. And at the moment, I don’t agree with the new guy. But maybe I will eventually be able to get there. Who knows.
Herk: If you get a chance drop me an email via the links here. You have the kind of rational thought and objective analysis that can create great analysis and hence articles, especially in the post creation of paragraphs era you’ve embarked prior to my last comment.
WOTN
Sorry about the grammar. As I said I never blog. I appreciate you wading through my comments though and as you may have noticed Raoul assigned me the same mission. Hopefully I have redeemed myself somewhat.
Excellent point about timelines. Spot on with your last paragraph as well. He’s a youngster and hopefully he’ll listen to the SecDef before listening to Axelrod or Gibbs.
Wow – Someone sent me a link to this site. What a cesspool. You people aren’t Americans, you’re barely human! I will rest easy knowing that you cretins will get it in the afterlife. What a bunch of fargin iceholes. I hope you all get cancer.
Fondly,
A REAL American.
TSRVT
To whom are you referring? There are all kinds here. I would have to assume based on your harsh tone and name calling you disagree, but I can’t tell with whom. That’s okay, though. In the spirit of the new messiah, we try to disagree witout being disagreeable. I think that message was for liberals and conservatives alike but so far the liberals have generally missed the boat.
BTW. What makes someone a REAL American?
Parker P,
It took 54 years and 14 inaugurals before we found a President that didn’t measure up and failed to attend, President-reject Obama.
I’ve noticed a trend. There is an entire group of people here that defines respect by how much stuff someone gives you. Does that miss the point or what?
People who serve do so for a lot of reasons but none of them are profit-driven. No one I know has ever gotten “stuff” as a reward for service. No monetary gain can get someone to perform military service after their first enlistment. Bonus Money can make it easier to convince your wife to re-enlist but I’ve never met anyone in 24 years of service who was here for the money or veterans benefits.
It’s all about a lot of other things that are difficult to explain, and sometimes contradict each other. A common thread is respect, however. This is a far cry from the post-Vietnam military I joined at 17. Far more sophisticated and educated. The stats show our enlisted are far better educated and have higher IQs than their counterparts on the civilian side. How do we attract and retain these people under these circumstances? Frequently after training them in lucrative hi-tech careers?
Respect. Like honoring the MoH recipients at an Inauguration Ball as have the previous elected 8 presidents over the past 56 years. Of course, that by itself can’t make someone enlist or re-enlist but not attending can sure make someone think twice about the value of their service.
Herk: No worries on grammar. I was simply in too much of a hurry to respond to the thinking sports teammate, to read on about your Raoulistic Reforms.
You’re making great points in a clear objective manner. I’m loving it.
Demonstration of respect is required to superiors.
Respect on the other hand is earned. The first impression determines how long is required to earn it. Obama has sequentially demonstrated in a series of “first” impressions that he has not yet earned it.
On his first night as CinC, his first impression to our most respected Veterans, and hence the Veteran Community, he made a disdainful decision to choose celebrities over heroes.
Sometime the power of the internet truly fascinates me.
It’s amazing that any half-assed google search for the Salute to Heroes ball give a number of entires which all reference and that keep linking to the same single blog post; this one right here on This Aint Hell. Just because a google search turns up dozens of links to the same place, doesn’t make it good research, and certainly doesn’t make it accurate.
Obama only went to the first 10 balls..the official ones. It does suck he didn’t go to the ball though. These hero’s deserve to be honored as they have the last 56 years and beyond
HerkPilot,
Thanks for putting into word so eloquently things I feel strongly about. My elder borther drove Herks in the AF. He also flew EC 121’s out of Thiland over the delta (and got shot at some like you did) and ended up in 135 tankers. He was in the first tanker group in Desert Shield and returned during gulf war 1.
I do hope neither of your sons will have to go to war, but I’m proud there are those who commit to that possibility in support of our national objectives as defined by whoever is in the civilian leadership roles (that’s the system and it’s worked well for over 2 centuries). It is a pity that those who really know what loss and privation are, who lived through WWII, will soon be gone and this current generation, so anxious for “change” will just have to learn the same old lessons of sacrifice all over again.
This is hilarious.
I just got an e-mail from the Renaissance Mayflower. No Salute to Heroes ball:
Thank you for contacting Marriott. We appreciate the opportunity to provide you with information.
The Renaissance Mayflower Hotel held inaugural balls for Ohio, Maryland, and the Human Rights Campaign this year.
More information regarding this hotel’s facilities and services may be found at the webpage below:
https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/wassh-renaissance-mayflower-hotel/
Don’t believe me? Contact them yourself.
Any attempt to call for peace and tolerance from the left should be considered taqqyia and any call for working together should be considered an application of hudna.
The English language has an excellent habit of borrowing words that apply to specific situations.
The President does honor all veterans –
http://www.militaryinfo.com/news_story.cfm?textnewsid=2575
January 19, 2009 – America’s most senior defense leaders honored 43 men who risked their lives with unmatched heroism in service to their country during a luncheon here today.
The men honored had all earned the Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest military decoration, and they will attend the presidential inauguration as honored guests tomorrow.
It is pretty obvious what the new Present thinks of the Military now that the voting is over and he doesn’t have to lie. Just like using Husane his middle name as he was sworn in. No one was allowed to say his middle name during the election. The man is totally a hard core left winger as you will see in the next six months.
Fear not!!! In 3-years time, or less, America will be startled to learn from a media poll that NO ONE voted for Obama. That is right. No one would admit voting for the Obamassiah. It will come as a shock that Obama was elected by people who do not exist, who are citizens of other countries or shared the same driver’s license and social security number with 3,500 invividuals.
Media heads will be baffled, talking heads will widen their sphincters to reduce the reverberation. A great hue and cry will erupt, but no one will notice the skinny black man and his broom and dustpan slowly slip out of the “White House”.
Obama Said There Would Be Change…
The sainted one promised us there would be change. He did not lie about that. He has changed his mind on a number of issues. When he was looking for votes he was in favor of domestic drilling for oil. Now that might come to a screeching halt. Word…
Maybe it would be wise to look at who is reporting this crock. How many balls do you think a person can attend in one day?! Also your point that the military didn’t vote for Obama is not entirely correct. I’m in the military and I voted for him and I know many other military members who did. Don’t believe everything that you hear from the media or online..None of these are legit…Check out the names of all these stupid links..
What do you expect from a full-on marxist??
[…] #6 (permalink) Today, 07:10 AM Maybe I will be the bad one here but lets see: – – Snubs MOH ball I think the snubbing pisses me off the most. I come from a long line of many in my family […]
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=60160
UMMM. PICTURES OF OBAMA AT THE MILITARY BALL WITH VETERANS AND MOH RECIPIENTS
[…] For the rest of the story ….. […]
The colored wonder was too busy at the ball for the publisher of Jet magazine.
I’m wondering if Obama took the advise of his handlers, since he didn’t receive very many votes from veterans. Its strange because while Obama was in the Senate he had a better record on veterans issues than McCain. Jack Jacobs a MOH recipient expressed his disgust on MSNBC. I just wish he had corrected that idiot, David Schuster, when he kept referring to Jacobs as a Presidential Medal of Honor winner. Oh well, its MSNBC. The office of propaganda for TCW, the colored wonder.
[…] we find that Obama is the first president of either party to ever snub the American Legion’s “Salute to Heroes…, a ball honoring Medal of Honor recipients, in the 56 years since its […]
I’ve met a couple of MOH recipients, Gene Fluckey and Greg Boyington. Two of the most unassuming guys you’d ever want to meet. I know what Pappy Boyington would have said, “Fu*k him.” When you’ve gone through what an MOH recipient has gone through, your not going to be bothered if a colored boy doesn’t show up for your party. My guess is, a lot of the inaugural balls looked like a pimp convention.
He could have showed up and shined some shoes, because that’s all he’s good for. When its all said and done, his administration will be Jimmy Carter part deux.
Sorry John, but your pal TSO appears to be fibbing. There was no “Salute Ball”. The American Legion folded that into the C-i-C Ball for 2009. Which was by invitation only so your pal was not there, or at any other military ball, as he claimed. The Renaissance has no record of a Salute to Heroes ball. You are either in on his fib or too trusting of TSO. But this hoax has gone viral. And the bottom line is TSO or the both of you ought to be ashamed to be using Medal of Honor winners to advance your anti-Obama agenda. The President was photo’d with MOH awardees at the C-i-C Ball, and all the Balls are lockdown, meaning that you don’t get to float from ball to ball unless you are in the Presidential and VP Details. On top of that, Obama has been courting the military pretty well so far, doing all the right things. Which besides meeting with MOH awardees at the C-i-C ball also honored them by placing all that came to DC in a place of honor for the inauguration itself, which also paid ample tribute to service past and present. “The Medal of Honor winners were also honored by the Inaugural committee with seats for 40 of them just below the podium where Obama took the oath of office according to this story in the New York Daily News which interviewed some of them. Among those seated below the podium were 40 Medal of Honor recipients, including Peter Lemon, who at 19 had shown superhuman courage, fighting on and on as his comrades fell around him, as he himself was repeatedly wounded in Vietnam.” ” Jonn wrote: Sorry, Mike, but if you took a minute to read all of the comments here, you’d see that we’ve been through all of this rot over the last three days. Now you took the time to write that long cut and paste job, but you were so sure that you were bringing new information to the discussion that you didn’t bother to give us the courtesy… Read more »
Au contraire, John, I read through all 280 articles, only to see you pop up and keep claiming each poster that thinks TSO told a fib that now has gone so big and viral he is scared to retract it. Now it is elevated to a widespread hoax and you two guys are looking like the Scott Beachamps of the Right. Other blogs have noted that the Legion helped sponsor the 2009 Commander-in-Chief Ball, and nothing on the Legion’s website says anything about a 2009 “Salute to the Heroes Ball”. They had none. Other blogs have examined the list of all official and unofficial blogs listed in the Washingtonian and Washington Post and Obama’s Inauguration Website. No listing for “A Salute to Heroes”. Stars and Stripes reports that MOH awardees were invited to the C-i-C Ball and their website has pictures up of Obama posing with MOH awardees at that event. I don’t cut and paste, BTW, I dig. Renaissance has no record of a Salute to the Heroes Ball in 2009. We know the MOH itinerary that day. Obama’s Inauguration Committee honored them with 40 seats immediately below Obama’s podium. They then had a lunch hosted by DOD Secretary Gates. That evening, they went to the C-i-C Ball and were interviewed by Stars and Stripes and photo’d with Obama. And we know that “TSO” just didn’t stumble in and mistake it for a Ball by a different name because it was one of the 3-4 most exclusive places to be, by invitation only, and under high security. And the MOH awardees like everyone else but the Presidential and VP details, were in security lockdown and would not be able to float between balls – especially to one that not a single media source reports existed in 2009 but your collaborator, TSO. And frankly Jonn, if there is any disrespect and dishonoring of MOH awardees, it is by you, Jonn Lilyea and TSO for using them as tools to stoke up anti-Obama outrage over what is looking more and more lie a bald lie… Jonn wrote: Ok, sweetheart, call this… Read more »
Mr. Kennedy Where do you get your info that it was folded into C-i-C Ball for 2009? You’re free to make whatever assertion you’d like but for you to contradict a lot of pretty good evidence and first-hand accounts you really should be able to prove it. I for one am not being dismissive of your claim but you have to provide some proof. I’d be happy to see it but sorry, I’m not one to simply believe it because someone says it. TSO provided evidence to support his position now you have the same opportunity. Folks, it appears there’s a lot of politics going on here with a sprinkle of racism, neither of which is helpful.I’m no moderator and I certainly helped get us off track for a little bit but let’s look at a couple things. I didn’t vote for the guy either. There’s nothing he has said or done so far that impresses me as a voter, including his vast years of service as a community organizer, elected official nor his huge list of legislative achievements. I think he used racism to his benefit and allowed others to make racist comments that benefitted his campaign. But as I tell my boys, someone elses bad behavior is not an excuse for your own. I’m not looking for it but it has reared it’s ugly head and I believe it has no place in this discussion. This has to do with his respect for the military. Many who have posted have made assertions that the ball in question never existed, yet there are at least two bloggers who claim they were there, and one even has pictures. This ball has a long historical tradition which I find difficult to believe would just be abandoned, so if you assert this ball never existed please provide a link or some evidence that it was not held this year. I know it’s difficult to prove a negative but perhaps the American Legion can help you out. As far as the military vote goes, I really don’t care if you voted for Obama.… Read more »
He is not fit to shine the boots of any of them, and this shows fullly his attitude toward the military and those who serve. They are better people than he is. We know it .. HE knows it. This is his way of feeling good. Turd.
John,
Based on my google search, that isn’t even the right address for the hotel.
1127 Connecticut Avenue NW
Washington, District Of Columbia 20036 USA
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/wassh-renaissance-mayflower-hotel/
Jonn wrote: I know it might seem like rocket science to you, but there are two (1+1=2) Renaissance Mayflower Hotels in DC.
John,
I think the confusion is that it is the Renaissance Hotel in DC, not the Mayflower Renaissance. So sorry about my last post.
I anticipate your apology, John, for your needless insult when it is you who failed to properly identify which hotel the function took place in.
Jonn wrote: I apologize that I leave comments open to any Tom, Dick or Harry who can cruise in here and accuse me in my own house of lying without doing an iota of research beyond Googling the wrong search terms. So have you bothered to call the hotel? I didn’t think so. It’s much more fun to accuse me of lying than it is to admit your own deceit.
Having trouble finding reference to the ball itself, I asked the American Legion about it directly.
In short, there was a ball; President Obama did not attend; Vice President Biden did. ‘The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or “snubbed.” ‘
Their full response is below
**********
From: xxx@xxx.xxx
Subject: Salute to Heroes
Date: January 23, 2009 7:59:54 AM EST
To: [me]
Good morning, David,
In answer to your inquiry:
The American Legion, as it has on every inauguration evening since 1953, hosted the Salute to Heroes Inaugural Banquet & Ball on January 20th. The quadrennial event is co-sponsored with fourteen veterans service and military service organizations and honors recipients of the Medal of Honor. Forty-seven of these heroes attended this year’s event which was held in the Renaissance Washington DC Hotel.
President Obama was invited but did not attend. Vice-President Joe Biden did appear, however, and was very warmly received. The new President’s absence was understandable considering the unprecedented logistical challenges presented by the vastly increased number of visitors to this inauguration and the necessary attendant security measures. The American Legion, as an organization, does not feel offended or “snubbed.”
Thank you,
Craig Roberts
Media Relations Manager
The American Legion
1608 K Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
202.xxx.xxxx (direct)
Jonn wrote: I edited out the email address of Mr Roberts so the webcrawlers don’t inundate him with spam email. I edited out his phone number because I can. Thanks, Dave. We appreciate your support.
John, o
I googled Reniassance Mayflower Hotel and it came up with a different address than the on you mentioned. That’s all I said and it’s the truth. You called the hotel by the wrong name leading to this misunderstanding. You didn’t lie, but you did make a mistake. I immediately then clarified the error you had made which lead to the misunderstanding. In the interim, you insulted me and asserted the fact that there are two Rennaissance Mayflower Hotels when there are not.
Jonn wrote: So now you want me to rub your belly? Have you called yet? I didn’t think so. You’re more worried about the apology you’ll never get. Grow up. Call yet? Nope?
John,
I never said that I didn’t believe the event took place, go ahead and look at my posts from yesterday. I googled the name you gave so I could find the number to call after your first reply to Mike Kennedy. After seeing the innocent mistake you made I found the right hotel and number and made the call.
If you don’t want to apologize for insulting me, then that is your choice.
Therein the confusion lies but I think the David Bell 291 post should lay all this to rest. I too had difficulty because I didn’t know there were two hotels and thought to contact the American Legion directly. Fortunately, someone else was smarter than I (not a great achievement) and got to it first. Thanks for posting it.
Those passionate Obama supporters would do well to be open to the idea that their messiah screwed up and quit trying to rabidly defend the indefensible. People like A thought are capable of intelligent discourse and other should follow the lead, perhaps. “Nu uh” worked okay in the second grade but not so much when you’re supposed to be a grown-up. See post 163…sorry about the paragraph thing. I’ve been counseled.
So one person doesn’t show and the tough military can’t deal with it. The military industustrial complex needs to be put back in the box and only taken out when needed which hasn’t beent the case in over 60 years.
Jonn wrote: Yeah, I’ve seen Heartbreak Ridge, too (the “back in the box” comment). I’m sure no one is going to misconstrue your remark as disrespect for the servicemembers who’ve sacrificed their lives, limbs and youth over the last 60 years, will they?
Athought-
JONN(not JOHN)gave you the number and so did TS0.
(“Or, you could solve all this by calling the Renaissance-Washington DC at (202) 898-9000 and just ask them if they had a Salute to Heroes Ball last night”)
I have posted both addresses for all the idiots who only let “Renaissance” stick in their minds, not 999th St. or the phone number that TSO posted.
(202) 347-3000 –
1127 Connecticut Ave Nw, Washington, DC
Renaissance M
(202) 898-9000
999 9th St Nw, Washington, DC
Renaissance Mayflower
Now, will you please stop calling Jonn and TSO liars? it is getting tiresome.
Yanni, your passion is superseded only by your ignorance.
You can’t just “add water” to get an instant military. Advances in technology funded by that military industrial complex have made aircraft and vehicles more efficient and safer, medicines more effective, law enforcement safe and the list goes on and on. There have been years when the Defense Appropriations Bill was the biggest source of funding for AIDS research. But most importantly, the US military affords you the opportunity to say stupid stuff.
As the poem goes, “It is the soldier, not the poet who gives us Freedom of Speech…” I’d love to live in your world where we all hold hands and sing Kumbya, but we don’t. Of course you don’t know that because you live in a nation that is so out of touch with the rest of the world it’s amazing. Your world view is shaped by CNN and the blogosphere, and probably by some professors who told you what to think instead of how to think.
Why are the Kurds fighting for autonomy with both Turkey and Iraq? Why did the Serbs attack the Croats? Or was it the other way around? Why is the Congo so screwed up? Who started the French Indochina War and why? What caused the collapse of government in the Horn of Africa? Do you think the US military was behind all of that? Read the US Constitution and discover who directs the funding for the US military. Do you think maybe the Defense Budget just might be the biggest jobs program to survive the New Deal?
Pull your head out and listen for the “POP” when it clears your rectum. I’m usually pretty mellow but you’re an ignorant idiot. Your ignorant because you’re uninformed. You’re an idiot because you accept that and you’re okay with it.
Yanni
The whole fucking point of this is that The COW needs to have some rapport with his military and though he may be uncomfortable based on his prior comments about war and such, he is still the CIC.
That said, we all have to suck up our mistakes sometime and do the right thing. He could have moved forward for the veterans and soldiers to start anew. But, he chose not to try. That is the worst thing. The soldiers have a duty to honor him as President, but their respect has to be earned. What part of that did you miss in the 300 some posts here?
DefendUSA-
Show me where I called anyone a liar. In fact I specifically said it wasn’t a lie. Jonn and I both reacted too quickly before realizing the innocent and honest mistake which was made. The difference being that when I realized my mistake I acknowledged it (289) while Jonn flung insults. Let’s move on.
Herk-
Another thing people forget about the military, and what you were getting at, is all the money military spending pumps into the economy. It was military spending that truly ended the great depression, not vast social programs. As I urged yesterday, if a poster is going to point out the flaws of something, such as the military, then they should acknowledge all the great thing the military does in the areas of reserach and technology, not to mention all the opportunity it provides for individuals in the areas of education, self-development, discipline etc.
Thank you David Bell