Allen West threatens scumbags
Apparently, Allen West’s wife is suffering stalkers and harassment at her work place and LTC West is drawing a line in the sand according to The Blaze;
“This is not a threat, it is a promise that if Angela calls and tells me of one more incident, you will face me, the side of me you do not want to see.”
Yeah, I might have admitted that is indeed a threat, but good on him. A husband is supposed to stick up for his wife (is that sexist, Insipid?). But, the filthy little hippie scum are trying a new tactic;
In response, a student filed a complaint with FAU police against West, claiming his online warnings made her feel “in danger.” Stephanie Rosendorf of the Florida College Democrats wrote the complaint, according to Raw Story. In it she stated:
As students, we deserve to feel safe exercising our First Amendment rights to peacefully assemble and express our grievances with the University. These days you never know if a threat on social media is to be taken lightly, and in this case it certainly should not be. Allen West is making me feel in danger at school.
Well, there is a reasonable solution, you petty, immature little turd, stop harassing people. And your First Amendment rights don’t extend to making a woman afraid to come to work.
Thanks to Chief Tango for the link.
Category: I hate hippies
@147,
Well I’ve come back. Again, you repeat defenses of the indefensible. It appears to me that I am literally the only one articulating a clear argument; a US military member who tortures a detainee in his charge is a cowardly scum who harms our efforts and defiles the sacrifices of those who served honorably. You appear to be the one availing himself of every twisted interpretation of this and that to defend the indefensible.
West is scum, and you enable scum.
Everyone… I’ve read the comments up to this point and found that it’s obvious that A-Puss’ needle is stuck and can’t seem to get on with things. I wouldn’t waste any more time on this douchebag.
@151 – Numerous times you’ve been asked about your current or past military status, particularly since your comments and opinions seem to be focused so much on LTC West and the current or former military folks here. Answer the question, or kindly Gehen essen eine Schale Schwänze.
Hey, A-puss, you’re a POSER, plain and simple, and you prove it with your comments. Let me make it as plain and simple as I can, your time in JROTC DOES NOT COUNT as Military Service. IF you ever served, I’m betting that you’re little more than a Boot Camp washout!
Allen West (LTC, USA, Ret.) is the kind of CO that I’d throw myself on top of a grenade for. I’ve had CO’s like him in past overseas assignments, they’re the breed of Officer that places the well-being of their subordinates right up there with getting the mission accomplished. YOU, however, are just a sniveling little snot-nosed POSER that doesn’t know its ass from ice cream. Hear that, A-puss? YES, it’s your Mommy calling for you. She says for you to take your tinfoil hat off and come to the kitchen for a peanut butter sandwich and some fresh Kool-Aid she just made for you. And if you’re a good little boy, she’ll let you have a cookie later on. THEEERE you go, ‘atsa GOOD little boy!
Gunny,
Funny, the “show your bonafides” dance only seems to start when the subject is someone telling the usual posters they are full of it. But hey, let’s assume you are what you say you are, so I’ll answer. I am a twenty year 0302 with most of my fleet time as West Coast or Hawaii. Now you.
Oops, my apologies, didn’t read your screen name closely. I’ll push later.
1991-1994, US Army Engineer, ’03- Infantry, and now FA Forward Observer. Korea 92-93, A-stan 05-06, Kuwait 2010. I’ve been there, done that, and faced off against our enemies. I’ll do it again as soon as i get my orders! Yeah, I came back in after a 9 year break in service as soon as I found out it would get me deployed, that’s the main reason I did it!
Hey Puss: First, notwithstanding your characterization of LTC West, the United States Army says he served the nation honorably. So, you might want to take that issue up with the Army. Second, LTC West retired from military service. Thus, your tax dollars are going into his pocket. Consequently, as a point of personal honor, you might consider refusing to pay Federal taxes from now until he or you leaves this mortal coil. Third, your learned opinion to the contrary, LTC West committed no crime. True, he received an Article 15, but as you doubtless no, perhaps from personal experience, that is an administrative action, not a criminal one. Finally, I would guess that you know that this is a mil blog and that both active duty personnel and Veterans frequent this great place. When you attempt to correct us or counsel us on honor, it is, how shall I put it?, totally fucked up. But, hey, as long as you don’t call Jonn Lilyea a racist, you can make as big a fool of yourself as you wish.
@156- no one asked.
@157-if you spew bullshit, expect someone to say it’s bullshit. Grow up.
@158. That it? I am truly disappointed. Does that mean that you will pay Federal taxes so that LTC West can continue to enjoy his pension?
Not sure what you were looking for…
@152, waitin on you…
So, it’s telling us it’s Navy? That might explain quite a lot about this repetative repeating dysfunction thing goin’ on. (And that rule only applies to some of the Navy.)
To the rest of the world, after repeating yourself the second or third time, your argument just disappears. It’s as if you have admitted to it having no merit. At all. But it probably already knew that and is just enjoying thinking it’s messin’ with us. Teehee.
If pus-guy above (to use a variant of his new moniker in comments 151, 154, 155, 158, and 160) isn’t BSing us about his military service, he frankly needs to go back and retake part of the USMC or Naval War College (or whatever other Senior Service College he may have attended). He obviously didn’t listen very well during the block of instruction concerning the laws of war describing the Geneva Conventions definition of lawful combatants, or the parts concerning the treatments required for (1) enemy combatants, and (2) other detained persons. Frankly, I’m guessing he’s not read them (the Geneva Conventions, that is).
And to answer the questions before you ask, pus-guy: yes, as a matter of fact I am rather familiar with the curriculum of the Naval War College. And no, my statement here has nothing to do with West and what he did in Iraq. It’s due to (1) your apparent inability to grasp the fact that a detained terrorist is not an lawful combatant (and is thus not entitled to the same treatment as a captured POW), and (2) the fact that you continually accuse me here of defending West when I have not done so above.
@161. He said he’s done. Keep waiting. That train ain’t stopping at your station. Speaking of done, I am too. Ta-ta. And keep paying those taxes! LTC West is depending on YOU.
@163, rationalizing evil only makes you evil.
West had a man (likely innocent) held down and beaten then staged a mock execution. That makes him scum.
Your continuous attempts to twist and dance in order to defend his actions are, in a way, worse. At least, punk that he is, Mr West actually directly led the activities in question (ordering others to beat him, etc.). You instead choose to idly support them from the comfort of your Barco-lounger with a nice cold one in your hand. You won’t pay for his actions, but some Soldier or Marine who has done everything right will.
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Guys, this Sippy’s twisted evil clone, with nothing to say that is relevant to the column post itself, but is desperate for attention.
It’s the same narcissim you see in Joe the Rockclimber and Spiffy and Dullass, and others of their ilk. Ignore the asswipe and stick to the topic at hand.
pus-guy: you’re repeating yourself – again. Do you know any other phrases?
You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I have not defended West above, nor am I doing so now.
What I have been attempting to do is educate someone who is woefully ignorant regarding the distinction between lawful combatants entitled to POW status (and thus the rights/protections afforded POWs by the Geneva Conventions) and the treatment prescribed by a different Geneva Convention for terrorist criminals detained by occupying military forces. I see I’ve failed.
Oh well. When the ignorant refuse to listen, there’s not much you can do to educate them.
You appear to desire to remain willfully ignorant concerning the distinction between lawful combatants and terrorists. Suit yourself. Hopefully your ignorance won’t end up costing any of your subordinates their lives. If you were telling the truth above about your military background, that is.
In any case: I’m through attempting to argue with a fence post here. Genießen Sie Ihren Aufenthalt in Wien.
And so it ends, with a bow of the neck to evil.
By the way, still waiting on 152. If this were a pizza I would have gotten it for free hours ago.
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Did you hear something, OWB? I thought I might have, but my tinnitus has been giving me trouble lately.
@169 Attention whore. Narcissism addict.
You didn’t like it when your dick got stomped by your superiors, nonuts, right? Made you go burn shitters, didn’t they,’cause whiny you couldn’t cut the cabbage.
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****chirping crickets****
I leave for a day and missed all this? Awesome.
And Gallagher? See? See? Those are all the fucks I give about what you have to say, son.
@169 – Not that it would add to the discussion, but I am a former 0369 and have held several different billets and have likely been to as many places as you have, with multiple combat tours. The point of contention on this blog is that you departed from the discussion, which was not whether or not LTC Wests conduct was justified or not regarding the prisoner. There are varied opinions, and I won’t go into it here because there are those closer to the details than me.
And the fact that you waited on a response is of no consequence to me. I don’t stay glued to a computer on a continuous basis with hopes to challenge the wits of another.
Liberal chicks.
Yeah.
But I am back in school…..
Rock on !
Has anyone else noticed that more than a few recurring trolls claim that they were Infantry Officers? I remember a couple of the Baloon Juice braintrusts claiming the same thing when they were here. It also seems that a 20 year Marine Infantry Officer would know that a retired USMC E8 was either a Master Sergeant or First Sergeant. Strange that he would address him as Gunny too, I know the difference and I was never a Marine.
@175,
While I agree it doesn’t add to the discussion it shouldn’t be lost that you did the initial asking. It’s only when asked yourself that it suddenly becomes a petty distraction. If you weren’t prepared to show your own credentials, then you shouldn’t ask me for mine.
Powerpoint Ranger: yeah, it does seem like someone who was actually a USMC Lt Col would know that.
Looks like pus-guy didn’t. Hmmmmm.
I have been defending and justifying LTC West’s actions, not Hondo. i will always justify his actions because i know what information came from that detainee that can not be disclosed to the public, I.E. you! He gained as much information from the man as he could in the fastest means he knew how. LTC West is one of the best officers the US Army has ever and will ever have, if you tried real hard, you might be worthy of polishing his boots some day.
also, most of us here ask for your military credentials, because we have already shared ours and, if ya didnt notice, we like to bust on stolen valor around here. im going to call Bull shit on yours though, as pointed out, ya didnt know an E-8 was not a gunny. Im going to call Bull Shit on the infantry part, because no infantryman on the planet would attack LTC West for his actions to protect INFANTRYMEN!!! We are also better educated on the situation that required the actions he took
Nope to all. You know nothing special, only what you wish were true. The investigation is freely available online (the ACLU filed a FOIA). Feel free.
Frankly any professional Grunt who doesn’t condemn West’s action doesn’t understand his chosen way of life.
Actions, consequences, shit like that. Yes, he was punished for what he did. No, I cannot defend his actions so far as they were against regs. But even you can’t deny his interrogation led to information that had it not been obtained, would have cost American lives.
And the primary function of an officer in combat is to not only secure the objectives or achieve the goals set forth by their chain of command, but to do so in such a fashion as to keep as many of his men alive as possible. Now if you have some sort of problem with that…
We play by the rules. They don’t.
And funny how you failed so far to address my second part of post 79. So what say you?
Ah! I see that boring, pustulent, scumbag pusbuuger attention whore is back. You guys need to yank its chain a whole lot more. Pusbuuger loves all the attention it can get.
Puss, you are right, i should be dead and that maggot that LTC scared shouldnt have had anyone raise his voice to him. in fact, i bet every grunt wishes that they could die rather than squeeze some info out of the maggots that want us dead. i know when i was in iraq way back in ’04, we sat around all the time bitching to each other that we shouldnt be so hard on the guys we captured alive. instead we should give them steak and lobster, a suite at the marriot, and in no way gain information out of them that could protect us!
and in case ya are wondering about me, Puss, I was Airborne Infantry. i wasnt some field grade, just a grunt. i made E-5 in one enlistment, broke my back on a training jump, and have missed the life since.
Huh? Not only will I deny it, but I have to ask what makes you think ANY information was gathered by West’s torture session? It wouldn’t excuse West’s actions if war winning info were collected, but it would make it all a little less pathetically pointless. Heck, even West said later in an interview that he “may have been wrong about Mr Hamoodi”.
For all the mention of supposed attacks “prevented”, there is no evidence of such attacks and negatives make lousy proof of anything but wishful thinking. For example: I have prevented hundreds of Tiger attacks in central Europe. You see I have super secret information that Tigers fear Copenhagen so wherever I go I spit some Copenhagen and there has not been A SINGLE Tiger attack in central Europe since I began doing this. It’s a sacrifice, but I am a humanitarian.
A-puss, YOU’RE A POSER, plain and simple. You’re a retard as well.
So, all of this blah blah blah is to say that Mrs West deserves being harrassed because of some idiot’s perception of her husband’s wrongdoing??
That is rather different from the general understanding of the rule of law in this country.
i am not talking about war winning, im talking about actual human lives at stake on the front lines standing up for your freedom. i would personally torture countless terrorists if it would have saved the life of even one of my men that died. i dont mean scare them a little, i mean playing this little piggy with my pliers. further proof you have no military expirience. no one that has lost brothers would ever claim it was better to not gain information.
i knew several men that were under LTC West’s command and know of several raids that resulted from information gained from that interogation. Tell me please, how many of our military ops have you heard about? while i was there we detained countless terrorists, i think only 2 of them made the news. those didnt even get coverage until weeks after they were captured and only because they had their faces on a card.
or to be more accurate, how much of the intel behind those raids are you privalaged to see? how many of the sources do you have names for?
Please tell me if it’s really it and, if so, whether he is merely using another IP address or has been readmitted to TAH.
I guess that answers that.
Saw it (briefly) but did not believe it!
i missed something
Smitty – yes, and you’re better off for it. Trust me.
What’d I miss? I’m busy working on something else. Was it important? Dang! I go off into my corner and miss all the good stuff.
A whole lotta games being played around here these days! “You have entered the twilight zone.”
Well, I’ve been away from this thread for quite a while, I see, but I have noticed that the person going by the stage name of “anony-puss” has made the repeated claim that Col. West tortured a captive? Really? How? Were you there? Did you observe said torture? Did you read the AAR of the investigation into the allegations? How do you know?
Speaking of being away, I see that Melle made an appearance earlier today but we haven’t heard from Gravel in weeks. If anyone knows that he is okay, please say so. Not many folks here on a beautiful Sunday but you never know.
@188,
West’s choices in noway justify harassment of his wife, which you will see I stated in my first if waaaaay back.
@198,
The investigation, and West’s own sworn statement in which he admits to ordering better Soldiers to beat a detainee in his charge and staging a mock execution, is readily available online. Feel free to teacup.
@189,
Great, an appearance from the ever mysterious “guy I know”. Rates right up there with “all my records got burned up in a fire” or “all my missions were top secret so there are no records”.