Allen West threatens scumbags
Apparently, Allen West’s wife is suffering stalkers and harassment at her work place and LTC West is drawing a line in the sand according to The Blaze;
“This is not a threat, it is a promise that if Angela calls and tells me of one more incident, you will face me, the side of me you do not want to see.”
Yeah, I might have admitted that is indeed a threat, but good on him. A husband is supposed to stick up for his wife (is that sexist, Insipid?). But, the filthy little hippie scum are trying a new tactic;
In response, a student filed a complaint with FAU police against West, claiming his online warnings made her feel “in danger.” Stephanie Rosendorf of the Florida College Democrats wrote the complaint, according to Raw Story. In it she stated:
As students, we deserve to feel safe exercising our First Amendment rights to peacefully assemble and express our grievances with the University. These days you never know if a threat on social media is to be taken lightly, and in this case it certainly should not be. Allen West is making me feel in danger at school.
Well, there is a reasonable solution, you petty, immature little turd, stop harassing people. And your First Amendment rights don’t extend to making a woman afraid to come to work.
Thanks to Chief Tango for the link.
Category: I hate hippies
Hmmm… Spellcheck error. Change “teacup” to “readup”.
And yet you who was not even on the same continent know so much more than those who were there.
Gotcha.
And once again, thanks for yet again ignoring my question. You lack of response is indeed telling.
Let it go, Sparky. Like you, I initially thought “Anonymous” would have some credible information that would support whatever assertion he’s trying to make about LTC West (which clearly isn’t the discussion on this thread, but somehow we’ve gotten stuck on the subject.) Clearly, he has an insatiable hard-on about LTCOL West and can’t seem to get away from tunnel vision.
I’ve dealt with people like that before, and reminded the commissioned types who argued in such a way that they were “appointed” and not “annointed” (that is to say, if he really is who he says he is). Of course, any of you could say the same about me.
I still can’t see a real career Field Grade Infantry Marine (or any other for that matter) calling his 1st Sgt. or MSgt. “Gunny”.
@204,
No, I have an unquenchable hard on to oppose those who forgive or even promote such an ethical train wreck as West. So should you, by the way.
@202,
Huh? What continent do you think I was on and how is it relevant?
I said that I thought you’re a poser, and you’ve proven it. Answer Smitty’s question, ‘lil peckerhead!! You SAY you’ve served, I still think you’re full of BS about it, I’ve been there, done that, I’ve seen what animals terrorists are. IF you ever served, it’s a safe bet you were little more than a pencildicked office bitch!!
Previous comment was me, i forgot to reset it after I used that name on the smartassed comment about the pot rally!
im guessing it wasnt asia, as was sparky. lets assume LTC West actually tortured the terrorist he had detained, how is it an ethical train wreck to apply a little pain to someone trying to kill you, in order to save the lives of those under your command? this same guy, had he captured one of us, would have video taped cutting his detainee’s head off and sent the video world wide!
now we get back to the point, he never tortured anyone! he scared the little cry baby, nothing more. as i have stated, if you would like to know what torture actually is, ill introduce you to my pliers. you seem to hav one of these ultra radical definitions that torture is anything that may be uncomfortable or scarry.
@200; I have read it, back when this was an issue, however, I don’t think it rises to the level of torture in my book, considering we have people that go through tougher training than what that dude went through. I guess in my view, if it didn’t rise to the level of forcing him to listen to Spandau Ballet 24/7, then I don’t think it was torture.
@204–I believe Smitty hit the highlights in 209. Further, I find it incredible that you failed (again) to address the issue of the SEALs which were court-martialed over the allegations of a detainee.
Okay, maybe it’s not incredible. Maybe you just don’t have the balls.
Oh, and what’s the “San Diego Pause” again? All Marines know about it–even East Coast Marines, of which you claimed you are not one, but no matter.
@209,
Are you asking me if I have combat tours? I think I actually said previously I have two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. In Iraq in the invasion with RCT 5, then again in Iraq with 2/3 in Karmah and Zaidon. Then with 2/3 in Afghanistan in Ops Box Tripoli (that’s Nowzad, Delarem, Washir, Golestan, and Bakwa districts). Why do you keep asking?
In regards to your and the following comment about whether West’s action constitute torture, of course they do. He ordered a physical assault in order to elicit information, then staged a mock execution. West’s main issue is he appears to have become convinced he was some sort of potentate, able to order “beat him” from his royal camp stool and watch with sadistic glee while an individual in his charge, someone he is responsible for, is thrashed. West completely forgot or chose to ignore the responsibilities that come with command and chose instead to revel in the authority. For that fundamental moral failing alone Weat is pure unadulterated scum. The fact the victim was likely innocent of at least those charge, no evidence or actionable intelligence was collected, and the whole incident was pointless beyond giving West a power-chubby adds the extra layer of pathetic.
@211, “San Diego pause”? No idea. Sounds like something someone told you at the VFW one night.
Holy crap, did LTC West kick this guy’s puppy?
@212–as I suspected. Fuller of shit than a Thanksgiving turkey.
did i ever ask you about deployments? i re-read my post and, nope never said anything about your deployments. im pretty sure you have none and never were in the military, despite what you may say.
Im done argueing about the information gained from the interrogation, you deny it exists, i say my older brother draws breath because of it. i really dont care if LTC West had actually tortured the man, i say it was worth it. would you have an evil man hurt if it would sav the life of your family? i sure would, i would inflict pain that can only be immagined in hell’s worst nightmares on an innocent man if it would save any member of our armed forces. i am thankful that LTC West was willing to scare that little piece of shit enough to spill his guts.
my question to you, who deny the information gained, was how much information do you have access to that comes from interogations? how many sources are you priviewed to know the names of? you claim nothing came of that interogation, yet you do not have the clearance to ever see a single word that was given up by the evil man in question
@215,
“my older brother is drawing breath because of it”…no, he’s not. Now bear in mind I’m not conceding the point whether you have an older brother because you seem awful eager to make up “double naught secret documents” and my personal favorite, the mysterious “guy who told me”. However if this brother exists, neither he nor anyone in uniform owe a wet fart to the punk Allen West.
@214,
While I hate to fail a random Internet person’s Marine Test, I guess I will have to learn to live with it.
On a side note: it’s interesting how much of this reflects the same line of argument on the phonies discussions on this site. Random claims of “secret intel”, claims of things that didn’t happen while claiming things that didn’t. The only apparent difference being many here apparently agree with West’s politics, and are therefore positively eager to make up his phony legend for him.
Allen West is a cowardly punk, whether you would vote for him or not is irrelevant. While we are at it, feel free to look at the investigation to see what happened to those Soldiers who were following the orders of their Commander; three were reduced while West paid a fine and walked with his rank. Since an officer can only retire at the rank he last served honorably in, at best West should have retired as a Major.
Smitty, I’m quite sure A-puss is referring to his time in JROTC as Military Service. That is, before he/she/it dropped out and went on welfare!
Puss–it’s not some “random Internet test.” It’s a piece of knowledge EVERY Marine (and a lot of other folks) should know right off the top of their heads.
The fact you don’t says all I need to know about you. Faker.
@218,
Random Internet Person (RIP), can I see your badge from whatever agency decided what every Marine should know? Is it some sort of MCI we’re supposed to take?
Puss, I have been patiently waiting for the word “politics” to come up. Now I know what your real problem with LTC West is. As I suspected, you do not agree with him politically so everything else he does falls in line with that. You could give a shit less about his supposed “torture” of that Iraqi. He is a conservative, so all of his motives are evil. Got it. Now stop with the B.S. And if you are truly a Marine Officer, I will eat my campaign cover. You sound like a liberal troll with an axe to grind who knows some military terminology.
@219, If the Marines are anything like the Army the rank structure is one of the first things you learn and never forget.
How in the fuggin’ fuck did we get to 221 comments about whether LTC West tortured a guy in Iraq from the actual point of the post, which was his comment about coming to defense of his wife because some college brat got skeeered from the comments he made?
(make that “223” comments)
224…and Master Sergeant, how many officers did you encounter in your time in the Corps who DIDN’T know what the “San Diego Pause” was, just out of curiosity? Especially ones who claimed to have served most of their careers at Pendleton and K-Bay?
@220,
Better start eating then.
I offered political persuasion as what I believe to be the reason so many here are in such a hurry to praise the scumbag West. I am perfectly willing to accept they may have some other reason. Personally I think he’s an idiot, but I am not a Florida resident and I can say the same about a lot of politicians.
A-Puss, where did you go through Basic Training, Smurf-land or Hogwarts? You’ve proven yourself to be a poser, loser!! *YAWN!*
there are classified documents and information, Puss, there are not classified carreers. if you served, a FOIA will show you served, it wont be classified. if a LTC gain key information out of a detainee, it will be clasified!
as for my brother, he is SSG Caleb Smith, currently a drill sergent at Ft leonard wood MO. very much real, very much alive. He will sing the praises of LTC west far louder than i will. If you would like, id me more than happy to give ya names of every soldier i know that served under LTC West, and they will all speak highly of him. i have yet to meet a soldier that served under LTC West that didnt love him.
Puss, I think the reason so many here support Alan West is that he served honorably, was revered by his men and by all accounts was a good officer. He stood up and accepted responsibility for his actions instead of being a shit weasel and blaming his subordinates. His political leanings are probably a distant reason for the admiration that he is shown here. And you having a less than favorable opinion of him is fine too, but your reasoning for feeling the way you do strikes me as petty and sounds more like a political axe being ground. It sounds to me like you are using his Article 15 as an excuse to bash him when in reality you don’t like his politics. You keep repeating the same crap over and over again despite the fact that most here admire LTC West and your rantings are not going to change that. Why do you think he is an idiot?? How is he a cowardly punk? By all accounts he was a great commanding officer who led from the front. Once again, I believe your beef with him revolves around politics and not anything he did or did not do in the Army or in Iraq.
Someone please explain to me the necessity in turning a thread on someone’s wife being stalked and harrassed by overgrown juvenile delinquents into a self-involved ego trip by an axe-to-grind moron with a one-line political grudge theme.
Thanks.
Ex-PH2: I think the explanation you’re looking for is in your last comment, starting at the word “into”.
@229- No Ma’am, thank you!!!
@224 – NHSparky – I’d say a majority of the officers I served with bounced back and forth between the companys, battalions and regiments or went to the MEF aboard Pendleton, only to leave for a stint in Hawaii to 3d Marines and maybe back to 29 Palms with 7th Marines. (Maybe they’d do a UDP to OKI or get caught up in a WestPac or two with one of the MEU’s), but paths would certainly cross at some point. The more senior one’s would go off to DC or Quantico or to a Division staff somewhere. I’d say less than a handful of those I met came from Lejeune. Does that help at all? (My experience may be the exception, not the rule.)
Just asking, gentlemen. It was sort of semi-rhetorical.
I noticed on the Adam Kokesh column that Nastyboy’s last comment got deleted after a rebuttal on my part. That was fun.
@232- That was my experience too. Most company grade and junior field grade officers would stay on whatever coast they started out on. You don’t see them PCSing coast to coast until they become more senior. I was an East Coast Marine my entire career unless we were UDPing or coming out west to train at 29 Palms or Bridgeport.
@228,
“is that he served honorably, was revered by his men and by all accounts was a good officer.”–No, I’m sorry but it doesn’t work that way. There is no “He was a good officer, except for all the torturing”, just as there is no “He was a good officer, except for beating those hookers” or “He was a good officer, except for those affairs he had”. Loss of honor directly results in the term “good officer” no longer fitting.
As to how he was viewed by his men, I don’t know and I suspect neither does anyone else here. Outside of Random Internet Person up above with his “super secret intel” and “a guy I know”, I haven’t actually seen any verifiable comment on scumbag West’s abilities. However in a matter of honor it also isn’t relevant as honor isn’t subject to opinion poll. Either you do the right thing, or you don’t. Whether those around you approve of it doesn’t make the wrong thing right.
As to why do I keep bringing this up. Because he was an officer who betrayed his obligation and that should never be just “let go”. He failed his men because as the one guy in the room who should have said “stop, this isn’t right” he ordered it to continue. He failed his peers by reinforcing the image of out of control Americans running around Iraq terrorizing and torturing which subsumed the reality of professional units and service members doing the right things under difficult circumstances. And he failed us all by giving the impression that we only follow “the rules” when it is easy, and our honor is negotiable.
Aaah, the village idiot rants again.
Wow, there’s 236 posts worth of dicks-on-the-table. I wish sides were that black and white so I could pick one with no gray at all.
@237. Yeah, that’s 236 dinners for you, pork chop. Have at ’em.
And yet he still can’t explain the “San Diego Pause” despite his claim of serving on the West Coast most of his “career.”
Pardon me while I whip ‘dis out…
Please do whip that out. It looks kinda like a dick..only smaller.