The truth about Discovery’s Dual Survival’s Joe Teti
A few weeks ago, we wrote about David Canterbury, a member of the cast of a survival show on the Discovery Channel, “Dual Survival”. At the time, someone brought up Joe Teti, the other fellow on that show. So being the cynics that we are, we got Teti’s records, too. Here’s what Teti claims on his website;
Most of that is true. He was indeed in the USMC’s Force Recon. He spent less than 4 years in the Marines and here’s his records of assignments;
And his schooling;
He was also in Special Forces – National Guard Special Forces- for five years, ending on May 1st, 2000.
So that’s where his military records end, so he could hardly be a “combat veteran of OIF and OEF” as he claims in his bio in the way that most of us understand the term “veteran”. However, he did participate in those wars as a contractor.
I spent about an hour or so, total in about four phone calls with Joe yesterday. He stands by the “veteran” tag in regards to the war against terror, although your opinions may be different. He tells me that he didn’t reenlist after 9-11 because he was already in the pipeline for a contractor job, which seems reasonable to me, and I have no evidence to the contrary.
I don’t disparage his service because he certainly accomplished more in his nine years than I did in my two decades, well, school-wise, anyway. There are rumors about him flying around the internet and I won’t engage in hearsay. Joe has sent me volumes of his records that I have promised that I wouldn’t post. Of course, all of it reflects well on him as a warrior.
I also understand that he became a target as soon as he took the job at the Discovery Channel, for whatever reasons, that’s the downside of being a public figure. I found him to be an affable fellow, even though he called me ‘sir’ more times than I was comfortable with. And he called me a “smart guy” several times – if only he knew.
So, I may be accused of being star-struck, but, without some real evidence to the contrary, I’m inclined to come down on Joe’s side. We thought that we had a real story here when we first started out, because the first set of records we got were of another Joseph Nicholas Teti who was a helicopter mechanic in the Army back in 1983, the same time Joe said he was in the USMC, but I got a little suspicious of that first set of records, which took us back for another shot at it, and sometimes, they are who they say.
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@101: I believe more appropriate closing line would be “Cool story, Bro!” 😀
I am a former United States Marine honorably discharged in 2ooo. FIrst off, the whole “combat veteran” discussion is ridiculous. I was in a SOC squadron in 3rd maw and did missions in the middle east in 1998. I was shot at and returned fire. It’s not in my DD-214 because it technically didnt happen so am I a “combat veteran”? Honestly i could care less. I served and I fought. Joseph Teti served and he fought. His fighting was Governmemt contracted so he was doing shit that all you naysayers didn’t have the balls or the talent to do. In my opinoin he is a 100% “combat veteran” and a stand up person. He hasnt tried to hide from any questions and provided documents backing up his claims. Most of you douchebags are just jealous of the mans success. Unless you’ve done covert work you wouldn’t understand anyway. As far as his so called threats of suing, he is a public figure and could lose his job if he threatened with violence. But I would be willing to bet that if you called him up and wanted to meet in the parking lot, he’d be happy to oblige. Since none of you haters have the balls to do that, stop talkin shit you lame ass cowards hiding behind a computer. Rock on Joseph Teti
#103 Cool story, Bro!
Now take that bullshit and put it back in your mouth.
A quick look at various state and federal statutes defining “combat veteran” all define the term specifically limited to members of the military during the course of officially designated hostilities. As such, it is technically inaccurate for a contractor to claim “combat veteran” status for OEF/OIF based on the standard definition. Personally, I see no shame with a prior service veteran to claim that he served in combat situations as a contractor post 9/11 (if true).
@103 aka Joshua C’mere fucknut and lemme splain something to you. I’m not jealous of shit that this dude has done. I’ll freely admit that this guy did some serious shit to become Recon and then SF qualified. He then opted to become a contractor in Iraq and Afghanistan and that took some balls to do that. No arguing the dude is well qualified to do things I could not do as a simple 11B. That being said… If I recall correctly there was a dude on SPIKE TV’s Greatest Warrior who inferred that he was SF when in fact he was part of the support unit as an MI guy. This was back in the day when the support people could wear the Green Beret so he had pics of him wearing the Green Beret. Everyday civilians presumed he was SF because of it. When his bullshit stories got out to those who knew better this dude lost his job with that TV show because of his misleading statements. To represent yourself as a COMBAT Veteran when you are not by definition a COMBAT Veteran is shading the truth at the very least. The general public is not going to ask the question of what unit he served with in theater. They are going to presume that he is a MILITARY Combat Veteran when he is not. Teti continues to lead people on with this half truth and it is in his bio. He was a CIVILIAN contractor and as someone else mentioned he had the option to leave theater if the job was not something he wanted to continue to do. Those in Uniform don’t have that option without facing a lengthy sentence at the Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth. All he has to do is put that fact in his bio and clear the air by doing so and all would be well in his world. Honor and Integrity are 2 words Teti should know well and if he believes in those 2 words he would simply adjust his bio to ensure that there is no confusion as… Read more »
National Guard Special Forces is STILL Special Forces, is it not? He still had to do everything that an AD guy had to do to earn his Beret, didn’t he?
Why denigrate the guy for being in the Guard?
Bronze, I don’t think anyone has, and I would take issue with anyone who did.
@103–Unless you’ve done covert work you wouldn’t understand anyway.
BTDT, got the t-shirt and the medal to prove it. Care to discuss? And FWIW, I wouldn’t consider myself a “combat vet” by the definition/standard set forth, nor have I ever claimed to be so. See how that works?
I’ve busted ass-clowns for less. Just because he was Marine Recon & Army Special Forces qualified does not give him the right to claim combat Veteran when he was working as a contractor in OIF & OEF. Bullshit !!
http://scotty-stolenvaloroffendersexposed.blogspot.com/2013/05/joseph-n-teti-combat-veteran-gwot-poser.html
@ 99 Air Cav
I was laughing all night long about your post above.
I had a SNL moment, and it kinda goes like this!
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Biden: Sir, Joe on line # 1.
POTUS: Joe, I need options!
Joe: Sir, as you know … options A, B, and C are covered in the contract.
POTUS: Joe, options A, B and C won’t work … they are not politically viable.
Joe: I understand Sir!
POTUS: Joe, I need options!
Joe: Sir, I can offer options D, E and F at an additional charge and it will require a contract modification. Visit my web site at: http://joesphite.com. While you are there you can read my unclassified BIO, see that I held a TS/SCI clearance and select from a wide variety services and options. I will have cool apparel line coming out in the summer and please down forget to catch me on the Discovery Channel!
POTUS: Will do Joe, thanks!
@Sparky
No I don’t care to discuss the nature of the ops I was in. I was AD at the time and truth be told I don’t consider myself anything other than a patriot. This whole forum is ridiculous just let it go and feel proud for yourself and all those that fought, contractor or not. We have all been willing to make the ultimate sacrifice and made it through. That’s what matters. We’re losing focus of the big picture of the great USA. Honoring both those who fight and live and those that fight and pay the ultimate sacrifice. There is to much bullshit pulling this country in different directions when we should be banding together as brothers and focusing all negative aggression on our common enemy. I respect all those who have fought for OUR country regardless of definition or semantics. I love America and all who fought for her. I just don’t want our brotherhood to be torn by bullshit. By the way sparky I consider you a combat vet and patriot and thank you for your service just like I thank all my fellow servicemen and contractors. We have all fought with pride and should praise one another.
@111
Joshua, Marine-to-Marine, here’s the crux of the problem. Had his bio read Marine Force Recon, Green Beret and saw combat as a contractor for the US Gov’t in OIF and OEF, nobody would have had issue one. Instead he used a very specific phrase with a very specific meaning improperly. If it weren’t for that, I don’t think a thing would have been said.
I don’t see anyone denigrating his service both in and out of uniform. I think if it weren’t for that phrase, and his unwillingness to change it, most people would happily cheer him on in his fame and money.
The crew here isn’t a recalcitrant group of hate-mongers. They just want things to be right. I suspect if the wording had been changed, not a word would have been said. After all, the possibility exists he never even saw the copy before it went live on the website. If he paid someone to put together a publicity site for him, he probably had an interview with them and they wrote it. That doesn’t change the fact that he should have had that changed once it was brought to his attention.
The old “Not in my records” line. It’s crap. You are not a Combat Vet Teti, and you know it. Show me your OIF or OEF Ribbons with an Arrowhead device. Show me anything that proves all the schools you claim but have no record of. They forgot to put SOTIC in your 214 because you never went. Possibly your next move will be from Hollywood to Federal politics, where falsification is the norm.
I just got my copy of Backwoodsman magazine, which I mentioned in the Dave Canterbury thread a while back. Mykel Hawke is on the cover, and this thread was fresh in my mind, so I checked his website and found the following:
“So Hawke is a COMBAT VETERAN, defined as serving in the UNIFORMED ARMED FORCES during TIME of WAR IN THEATER and ON A DECLARED CAMPAIGN, earning the medal which is only authorized for SERVICE MEMBERS deployed on orders and in uniform. This status is not eliglble to contractors even though many contractors see heavy combat action to their credit and honor. Hawke is very sincere about this status as he has seen combat as both a soldier and a contractor and would not want to dishonor any of America’s Military by claiming a status that is not authorized. Likewise, even though Hawke was awarded by the US Department of State as Small Contractor of the Year for his service in Haiti, he has never claimed to be State Department or any Other Government Agency. Hawke’s merits are documented on his six different DD-214’s verifying his service to country, and he actually did do over twenty good years of service in order to EARN his official RETIREMENT.”
http://mykelhawke.com/bio
Kinda odd that Teti’s fellow Green Beret survival reality show star worded that like he did. Seems he has the same sentiments most of us here have, and is possibly wanting to avoid getting the questions Teti is about his service by being open about everything.
A true Hero does not have to defend his record as most Heroes don’t brag on their accomplishments.
Teti’s records can be found on line if one looks hard enough. He knows who he is and he also knows who he is not and, more importantly, he knows what he is not. He is, unlike those respectable and true Heroes he is trying to emulate, using people for his own selfish agendas. He has stolen ideas and things not his own. All will come out in the end. And NO ONE is jealous of Joe Teti. he is an ego maniac with a very bad temper. I feel bad for Cody, cuz he carries this poser who couldn’t find his way out of a paper bag without putting himself or someone else in grave danger. And he should definitely keep his shirt on and buttoned. The only time I watched the show, I was embarressed for him. He is definitely a big man in his own mind. Seems 9 years equates to 20 years in his mind. I would call him delusional and narcissistic. Discovery would have been better off keeping Dave.
Oh and what was Teti doing after the 9/11 attack? Was he fighting like some of our true American Combat Vets were defending us? Ask Teti?
The State of California, U.S. Army National Guard Records print out clearly show the following to be true about Joseph Teti.
1) He was actually in a Special Forces National Guard unit when 9/11 happened.
2) Earlier that year (2001) he was promoted to Staff Sergeant.
3) He did conduct training using tax payers dollars through out the 2001 year.
4) He actually did an annual training overseas at the beginning of that year on the tax payers dime.
5) He was actually not DISCHARGED until DEC 2001 when stop-loss to retain high demand Special Forces was in effect.
Summary:
A) Joseph Teti QUIT his Special Forces unit at a time of war.
B) Joseph Teti abandoned his nation when stop-loss was being implemented.
C) Two news paper articles on line show that Joseph Teti was not serving his country but rather starting a business to make money and remain stateside.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2001/oct/19/columnist-jeff-german-better-to-be-aware-in-war-on/
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/oct/18/news/cl-58490
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/104786874651291635639/albums/5875978962991814305/5875979232795600530
@112
Nic
I respect your opinion and information. Thank you for not being an asshole. Semper Fi
And does anyone know WHY Teti was discharged? That info is out there too!
Wait just a cotton-pickin’-minute here. I’m wavin’ Maggies Drawers on Joshua. Quote (103): ” I was in a SOC squadron in 3rd maw and did missions in the middle east in 1998.” No such thing as an “SOC Squadron” in the Marine Corps. There is such a thing as a MEU(SOC), “Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable)”. Marine aviation squadrons (or detachments from squadrons) are regularly sent from their parent Wings to join a MEU or MEU(SOC) for deployments. Those squadrons/dets train as a team with the other elements of the MEU(SOC) and the MEU as a whole is designated Special Operations Capable. A MEU(SOC) doesn’t perform special ops missions in quite the same sense as the typical special ops types (SEALs, Delta Force, Marine Recon, etc). A quote from the Wikipedia page on MEUs (normally, I wouldn’t trust Wikipedia as far as I could throw it, but that page appears to be written by someone who knows what they’re talking about): “…prior to deployment, the MEU receives certification as special operations capable and then referred to as a “MEU (SOC)”. There is very little within the capability of a MEU (SOC) that meets the level of special operations practiced by United States Special Operations Command, but instead refers to the ability of the MEU to perform missions outside that of the traditional missions of its component units.” Note that individual squadrons/dets (and for that matter, Marine infantry and support units) are NOT, by and of themselves, designated Special Operations Capable. On their own, they can’t perform missions that MEU(SOC)s are required to perform. Furthermore, just being IN a MEU(SOC) doesn’t mean YOU, by yourself, are a special operations-qualified operator of some kind. There are hundreds of Marines and sailors in a MEU(SOC) who perform duties in numerous support MOSs/NECs and who are not directly (or even indirectly) involved in the boots-on-the-ground execution of special missions. Anyone who’s been deployed with a MEU(SOC) knows all of that. So Joshua either doesn’t know what he’s talking about, or he’s trying to pump up some “street cred” for his post by implying… Read more »
Do you people have nothing better to do with your time? Are you that bored? Blah blah blah is all I am seeing. A bunch of adults bashing one another for ?? Oh let’s see I am a sheep don’t have a clue? Umm what else oh I wouldn’t know because of I didn’t serve? Yet, pride and respect is earned not given. We stand behind him and that ticks most of you off. Grow up! He did this and didnt do that. Whah whah whah. Grow some and grow up
All I see from this blog is whah whah whah. A bunch of cry babies whom have nothing better to do with their lives then bitch. Grow a set and get over yourselves. Awww you jealous?
@123…seems you are the only one here acting like a child. The others simply asked for teti to backup and prove what he says to be true or to edit his resume. Simple, no? And everyone here was respectful in their discussion until teti came here to throw out innuendo and to cry about someone trying to prove his falshoods. Well maybe there is something being hidden by teti that will in time come out. And all of those panting after him like starstruck suckers will see him for what he is. Only time will tell. And these men you call babies have been to Hell and Lucifer himself kicked them out cuz they were too badass for him to handle. Peddle your nonsense elsewhere!
@123 ^^^^^ says the guy who goes by the name “Anonymous.”
Not jealous even a little. I have a combat infantryman’s badge, he doesn’t. I don’t covet anyone’s life who doesn’t have the blue badge.
@123
Wow…quite the man crush you have going on there.
What’s that like?
@122.
“Oh let’s see I am a sheep don’t have a clue?”
They do.
That’s why they ask the “Sheppard” to go to the pen when you come into the pasture.
Felcher you are….
Clown.
@103, yes, because a fist fight is generally how we divine the truth of things. Hardly a day goes by that we don’t hear about someone dying in a duel. Officially sanctioned of course.
Which of Jonn or I is supposed to fight him in the alley? Jonn with ALS, or me with 3 herniated discs?
Just an innocent question here, so please be considerate in responding. If I were involved in secret missions, and had clearance to high-level intelligence, and then went on to be a very public figure, I would use a pseudonym for not only my own safety but also for the safekeeping of the secretive nature of my past work. Who is to say that the records are actually his and are accurate to things he actually did?
The truth of the matter is, that Joe was on a secret mission to retrieve an alien stargate at a secret location.
Ranger X
Well, nothing. Except for the fact that the name he is using now, and the one in the records is the same. For instance, if he’d used a nom-de-guerre and said as much, then no one could find it. (Much like “The Shooter” from the Esquire article.
Top Secret missions could be classified, no one doubts that, but the record in terms of things like “overseas time” would still be accurate.
Some medal citations are classified, but the award of the medal itself would not be, if that makes sense. (i.e. if he got a Silver Star for wacking X, but the DoD wanted to not say who X was, it would just say “Silver Star” and the record of that would be classified.)
#122 and 123,
I was among a number of people on this blog, to include the owner, who gave Teti the benefit of the doubt initially. Force Recon, even if for under 4 years, and Special Forces, even if in the Guard, are accomplishments I have not made. As a regular “leg” 11B, who am I to question the military service of the man?
This whole conversation started with many of us questioning the definition of “combat veteran” in the context Teti’s bio uses it. To the uninformed, the bio reads as though he served in combat while a member of Special Forces, when that does not seem to be the case. Teti’s post above upset a few other commenters, but what I read on his Facebook page yesterday gave me insight into his true nature. Based solely off that, I’d say he’s a small man who needs a big ego boost; not knowing him personally, though, I’ll continue to observe his actions and reactions before drawing conclusions.
Two posts made on Teti’s page….according to Teti, his records were, if anything, dummied down…waaaaaayyy down…
Mike Webb I have insider info: Dave Canterbury the original co-host of Dual Survival on seasons 1&2 is calling the shots. He is very envious of Joe and wants back on Dual Survival season 4.
20 minutes ago via mobile
Joseph Teti “Dual Survival” Bill………….I am going to assume that from your comment you are not a former service member. No worries. The BIO that is on my website does not contain ANY classified info sir. Very quite to the contrary. EVERY word has been “cleaned” for benefit of OPSEC. ANY documents or other media that I am not in control of or floating around on these bs blogs are fabricated and are non sequitur. I know what my bio says. If anything its “dummied down”…………..way down.
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Two posts from Teti’s page. One of his fans and Teti himself, who said that his records, if anything, were dummied down.
Waaaay down….
Mike Webb I have insider info: Dave Canterbury the original co-host of Dual Survival on seasons 1&2 is calling the shots. He is very envious of Joe and wants back on Dual Survival season 4.
20 minutes ago via mobile
Joseph Teti “Dual Survival” Bill………….I am going to assume that from your comment you are not a former service member. No worries. The BIO that is on my website does not contain ANY classified info sir. Very quite to the contrary. EVERY word has been “cleaned” for benefit of OPSEC. ANY documents or other media that I am not in control of or floating around on these bs blogs are fabricated and are non sequitur. I know what my bio says. If anything its “dummied down”…………..way down.
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I look upon this thread, and am glad that it exists. Verily, thou hath taken away mine boredom from exhaustion from unloading containers out here under the blue skies of Afghanistan. Mine sweat dries within my OCP A2CUs and mine ankles are grateful for the ergonomic chair that comforteth by backside. Alas, I must now depart once again to load ammunition into magazines for mine weapon.
Hopefully soon I will get in trouble for impersonating a contractor or something and REALLY give this blog something to talk about lol.
Drum, load some for me so that I may live vicariously through your shooting exploits. Thanks.
#129
#133
Re-read Hondo’s post 100.
People who do super-secret Tier Omega Agent Orange type stuff simply do not talk about it. Anybody who does talk about it, didn’t do it.
Google “christopher lee keep secret” for an account of how a World War II special operator turned “public figure” actor handled the question. Even that is more public than it should be.
If he really did TS-SCI level codeword access operations, why is he telling US?!?
Cordially,
RangerPat
(Ranger Class 1-90, combat advisor in Iraq and Afghanistan, never done nothing secret or even very interesting)
@102 Marine I never claimed to be special forces or recon ever. Yes I was n a Meu and a gunner on a Ch 46E helicopter. There were Marine Recon and Navy Seals attached to my unit. All I did was drop them off in certain areas and pick them up. Twice we came under fire n a hot LZ due to not so perfect Military Intelligence. I layed down suppressive fire for our guys as they boarded. Once n a country we weren’t supposed to be in and once on a ship takedown where terrorists were holding hostages for ransom. I was careful to never give the impression that I was SF or Recon. I stated I was in a special operations capable squadron and got picked by my command to go on these missions. I’m sorry if I mislead I honestly had no intention of that and I apologize. This was back in 98 and my DD 214 confirms where I WAS just not the nature of my missions as the were classified. I really never wanted to discuss this but maybe this will clear things up. My unit was the unit all others were attached to so somehow we got the cool missions. I was actually on WestPac at the time and was supposed to train in Africa the day BL bombed the US Embassy in Naroibi. We were off the coast of Kenya and supposed to train in Mumbossa. After a NEO went went straight to Kuwait and maintained Operation Southern Watch and ended up getting stuck there longer than expected due to the UN WMD inspections that Hussein would not let happen. I hope this clears it up and once again I apologize if I mislead anyone. It was truly not my intention. As far as the combat action ribbon. No I did not recieve one. All I got was red Ink in my flight logbook denouting a combat mission flight code. I was only 19 or 20 at the time and didn’t know any of this stuff I was just happy to be part… Read more »
@ SCOTTY…..
I have a few burning question.
1. Since we already know that he is not OIF/OEF nor a Combat Vet. (a fact he will not own up to), why did he get out of the SF when 9/11 happened when he could have fought for his country while other brave men left civilian life to do just that?
2.Why do his records state that he served 10 years, his resume says 15 years, and his twitter account said 20 years?
(of which he changed after you posted here about his years of service). Cuz if 20 years was true, why did he change it?
It’s as if he is trying to appear as a legit retired Vet.
These facts are very important and should be answered by Teti.
#138
Why are you sharing information about “classified missions” on an open internet page?
If you are telling the truth, you are committing a felony–read your nondisclosure statement. If you are fantasizing, you are part of the problem, and you are NOT helping your friend’s case.
Cordially,
RangerPat
@TSO in 128, may i volunteer to take part in the hand to hand combat part of this?
@103 – Joshua, tell you what. I’m 67. I have arthritis in my back and neck. It sometimes makes my life difficult but I keep going. I also wear glasses.
I’ll be happy to meet that snot-nosed twerp that you’re defending in any parking lot. I’ll be happy to give him some lessons in humility and good manners. He has neither.
Oh, yeah, I was in the Navy but I never saw combat.
First off, I am NOT a vet of any branch of the military service. After high school, I earned a degree in college, raised a family and am enjoying life. But, hardly a day goes by that I’m not grateful to those who put their lives on the line for my freedom. I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
I am, however, a huge fan of Dual Survival and the hosts of the show. I have two rather naive questions. What’s the difference between National Guard SF and Active Duty SF? Don’t both parties go thru Hell trying to earn the right to call themselves SF? If it’s the same, then why the controversy? My other question is about being a contractor in the Middle East during wartime. Exactly, what is a contractor and what does he/she do?
I really don’t want to get involved in the debate concerning the military experiance about Mr. Teti. I don’t know the man, nor do I have military experiance that allows me to make a rational judgement. I’m just curious about a few things
@143. Mark: I don’t know of any dispute or controversy regarding Teti’s schools. As for a contractor, there is no single job. What Teti’s job was I don’t know. He could have been laying pipe, building roads, all kinds of things. As for not having the requiite military experience to make a call about Teti, no experience is required. Ask yourself this: If a man you just met said to you that he is a combat Veteran, would you assume that he is a military combat Veteran? If, as I suspect, you would make that assumption, then you know what call to make regarding Teti.
Mark M: To answer your first question: At least theoretically, National Guard and Active (Regular Army) SF go through the same training. The difference comes afterwards. The Active guys serve 24/7/365. They are the ones who deploy first, go on the crazy missions, etc . . . . They continue to live a hard, rugged life full-time. In contrast, the National Guard SF guys don’t. In general, like any other National Guard soldier they return to civilian life and only practice their skills during drills, AT, and on short tours of active duty. About the only time they’ll deploy is if their unit is mobilized or if they are individually mobilized/volunteer to fill a critical vacancy. Bottom line: Active SF “walks the walk” 24/7/365. National Guard SF gets trained, but only deploys when mobilized or on voluntary active duty. Teti served as a National Guard SF soldier from 1996-2001. He does not ever appear to have deployed to a combat theater as a member of the Army National Guard. As for your second question: in-theater, “contractors” are civilian persons who voluntarily take a job in-theater with a private-sector employer who has a contract with the Federal government. They augment the military for (IMO) essentially political reasons. This is because the past 3 administrations or so have not wanted to ask for the actual number of bodies in uniform (or as government civilian employees) required to support overseas contingency operations for political reasons. DoD and other agencies have therefore hired commercial firms to provide the required extra bodies. Either soldiers or government civilians coming home in body bags seem to cause more angst than do contractors doing the same. IMO that is the only reason for the practice. Contractors do a variety of jobs in-theater, from cooking and serving meals to driving trucks to security guards to technical support to some absolutely hair-raising crazy dangerous stuff. But the plain fact is that they’re there as private citizens, doing work for a private employer that has a contract with DoD. They can quit and go home at any time (doing that may… Read more »
@Hondo
Uh..you should talk to some folks from the 19th and 20th.
There are guys in both those groups that have remained deployed almost continually since 9-11….
And even when we go back to peacetime rhythm those guys do a lot more than 48 UTAs and 15 AT days a year.
First off AirCav, thank you very much for taking time to answer my questions. It’s truly appreciated. Not sure where I read in these hundred or so posts about National Guard SF versus Active Duty SF. I just scrolled thru them again and the only thing I saw regarding it was number 107. I must have misread it. As far as meeting someone who claims to be a vet, that actually happened to me a number of years ago. The man claimed to have been a Green Beret in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam war. He said he served 5 (yep, five) tours there, but only 3 were on his military record. He says his records show in japan the other 2. I never thought to question this (why would I)? I guess I was taught to take people at their word until proven otherwise. Come to think about it, if this was true, was he allowed to even disclose info like that? Thank you again for your time and to your service to this great country
Hondo..thank you to you as well for answering my questions. I really want to be as informed as possible before passing judgement on anyone. You’ve been a big help
It has been brought to my attention Mr. Teti is now claiming to be a Haiti vet. I was part of the initial group that went to Haiti, I was a member of 2/160th SOAR. We had practically every Spec. Op. community on the carrier we were on, that being said the ONLY award given to us for that action was the AFEM, and no where on Mr. Teti’s records does it reflect a AFCM. So I call into doubt about him being a Haiti Vet.
Yo, Billy-boy’s Boink-rod: agreed, some of those guys have been deployed very often. Ditto for some in CA and a few other specialties. But when they’re deployed, they’re serving on Federal active-duty orders. That puts them in Active duty status for the period of the orders – they’re not counted against end-strength limits for Active Army, but they’re still serving on Active duty.
The 19th and 20th may well also do more that the norm in the way of drills and short tours. That’s still not the same as being active 24/7/365.
For the record, my last 22+ years was USAR. Between 9/11 and hitting max years in 2009, I served more time on active duty than not.
sorry typo AFEM