Jesse MacBeth trashes IVAW [Jonn]
Jesse MacBeth, the poster child of the phony soldier movement, and I find common ground. I’ll admit I know what MacBeth says in this video isn’t completely true, because it’s Jesse MacBeth, for Pete’s sake.
However, he admits that IVAW had his DD214 and they helped him forge the DD214 he tried to pass off as proof of his combat experience. For those of you who haven’t seen his real DD214, here it is, courtesy of our friends at POW Network;
I’ve always wondered about the DD214 forgery because MacBeth probably doesn’t have the brains to forge his DD214. But he also calls into question the character of service and the narratives coming from IVAW members.
He also says “higher ups” helped him perpetrate his fraud on themedia. He doesn’t name the “higher ups”, but at the time he inflicted himself on the stage, that could only mean the Veterans For Peace and VVAW clowns who were running the organization behind the scenes.
Now, MacBeth also claims that some IVAW members were discussing bombings. I don’t believe that at all – unless he wants to give us names, dates and places of these discussions.
Well, here’s the video on YouTube he apparently made just last week;
Like I said, you can’t believe MacBeth completely, he’s an habitual liar. However, he makes some of the same points I have proven on this blog. It’ll probably be quite some time before we get disillusioned IVAW former-members coming out publicly, so this all we’ve got for now.
Thanks to Skye at Flopping Aces and The Paratrooper of Love, Blackfive for the links.
ADDED: There’s another video I didn’t think was important the first time, but since MacBeth still draws a crowd here it is;
And, for extra entertainment, TSO’s comments that MacBeth deleted at the YouTube link;
He’s starting to monitor comments, but I got a few good ones in there
jessemacbeth (8 minutes ago) Reply
i suspect ur another ivaw idiot who dont like being exposed breing all your ivaw buddies here let them see the video and the others i am making exposing what frauds you all aree5infantry (12 minutes ago) 0 Reply | Spam
OMFG, this gets better by the second! You tried to kill yourself with aspirin?Same shit with me, only I tried to kill myself with Preparation H and Flintstones vitamins.
e5infantry (13 minutes ago) 0 Reply | Spam
Dude, this is the greatest video eveh. You are such a dipshit it is astonishing. You had me at “crusted blood”. You show ’em RoughRider!e5infantry (16 minutes ago) 0 Reply | Spam
I suspect you may be going back to jail, if I am not mistaken, your eyebrows are actually a protected species of caterpiller. Which makes sense since apparently gypsy moths have been feasting on your brains for years.
He goes on to tell Army Sergeant that he’s got a book deal in the works and that he’s going to spill the beans on IVAW in a big expose`. It reminds me of a nerd slap-fight.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers
Let me translate this for you.
“I’m Jesse Macbeth. I’m a fucking loser, who faked shit and got convicted and went to jail. IVAW kicked my fucking loser ass out for being a damn liar, so now I’m mad. I’m innocent! Really! It’s all IVAW’s fault!”
Man. If fucking assault was legal, I would pay for some plane tickets to make sure Jesse Macbeth was missing some teeth.
He is such a fucking liar, and that shit pisses me off. The only thing that might be true is that they gave him a banner or flew him places, because lots of people get flown all over the place. Joes with no story get flown all over. Yeah, you’re right Jesse, we don’t trust you, because you are a damn liar who didn’t make it out of boot camp.
*cue incoherent rage*
“Now, MacBeth also claims that some IVAW members were discussing bombings. I don’t believe that at all – unless he wants to give us names, dates and places of these discussions.”
Unless Jesse was referring to the Wobbly Nomad, which is indeed very old news. I doubt the IVAW would include him in the planning, if there were any.
Well, there aren’t. I’m not sure if I’d count as one of the ‘IVAW leaders’ or what have you, but I do a damn lot of work and run a committee. And I can categorically tell you that never, ever, has any IVAW meeting or plan or operation or anything even remotely connected even posed the question of doing something like that. Jesse Macbeth is once again smoking crack and lashing out to try to make himself more relevant and less of a loser.
Where does IVAW get its money?
Jonn wrote: Well, about a year ago, I found some Warren Buffet money going to IVAW.
I’m not sure if I’d count as one of the ‘IVAW leaders’ or what have you, but I do a damn lot of work and run a committee.
All of which you disclose during your security clearance vetting interview.
Where does IVAW get its money?
I’d ask AS for a full disclosure.
Skye: Yes, I did disclose it during my security interview. I don’t hide what I do-hell, it’s publicly out there.
As for where IVAW gets its money, some of it is grants, a majority of it is smaller donors and chapters doing fundraisers. Some chapters have concerts, house parties, write-ins, challenges…there are a lot of different ideas that different chapters come up with. Sometimes it’s speaking engagements-honorariums and such for providing speakers. Far from having IVAW cover people’s rent, as Macbeth is somehow claiming, most IVAW members end up spending a lot of their own money to get around. Personally, for example, I spent a large portion of one of my reenlistment bonuses on IVAW stuff.
Where is the Special Additional Information? You know, the one with blocks 23 through 30. Block 23: Type of Separation, Block 24: Character Of Service just for starters.
Just kinda wonderin’ ya know.
Not only is it a fake but they copied it on an office copy machine. Didn’t even have brains enough to scan it into a computer using a scanner.These people aren’t even pathetic but a drain on REAL Vets and the system.
And that’s why he went to jail, Mike.
Jonn wrote: He didn’t go to jail until he tried to use his fake DD214 to get Veteran benefits from the VA. It makes me wonder, after the embarrassment he caused IVAW, why they didn’t file some sort of fraud charges against him. Unless the IVAW had something to lose by reporting him. I’m just throwing stuff out there. By the way, I knew a MacBeth thread would get your blood pressure up – it works every time. You’re welcome. 🙂
I would tend to agree with Jonn. Jesse may be a scumbag and a liar, but he isn’t smart enough to perpetuate fraud such as forging a 214 on his own. It is my firm belief that IVAW helped him in that regard, no matter what AS says. Hell, she really doesn’t have any credibility left in my book anyway, being as though she belongs to a group that is funded by a Communist organization and openly collaborates with the enemy. She can talk all she wants and foam at the mouth, but thats it. Her friends and her all belong in very small jail cells for the rest of their natural lives.
We are not funded by a communist organization, nor do we collaborate with the enemy. You know not whereof you speak. I haven’t done anything illegal to send me to jail, unless you think that the good old US of A needs to start jailing people for political beliefs now…
Uh, huh, Jonn already blogged about this AS. VFP is a Commie front, and y’all definitely DO collaborate with the enemy. Try Geoff’s little show of support for Hamas, and for the Israeli kids, plus Code Pink, his trips to Iraq, etc. And no, I just think that the US needs to start jailing people for Collaboration, Subversion, Treason etc. Time was that those were all criminal offenses. Tough shit, y’all are criminals. Deal with it.
“We are not funded by a communist organization, nor do we collaborate with the enemy.”
You do get funding from various communist entities, and the IVAW newsletter does appear quite regularly on a website set up FOR the insurgents. Now, since no one has issued a cease and desist letter on the basis of Copyright Infringement, I would say the second is at least arguable. As for the first…..IVAW members are continually published in Worker’s World, no? So, while I can’t say you get direct funding, since you shroud your money situation, it’s fairly obvious that you get space donated in the paper etc from them.
thats exactly my point TSO, they may not receive direct funding, but they still get funding from organizations connected to Communist organizations.
“We are not funded by a communist organization, nor do we collaborate with the enemy.”
You might not be funded by communists, AS, but IVAW is afffilated with Veterans for Peace (per the website) who is affiliated with and marches with Communist front groups like International ANSWER and United for Peace & Justice.
A/S,
Let me add one big clarification to your translation.
IVAW had no interest in outting this fraud untill outside pressure from people on our side of the issues was applied.
IVAW would have been happy to continue had no questions been asked.
Exactly, which is why they have absolutely NO credibility.
Marooned in Marin,
IVAW was founded by the VVAW pukes . That they were hiding out at VFP and using VFP’s 501(3)c is a smokescreen.
IVAW are the puppets of the VVAW. The daming evidence for that conclusion is that the IVAW protests are all re-runs of the VVAW crap from the 60s/70s, right down to the lies of Winter Soldier.
But the IVAW pukes can’t name the VVAW protest they are re-enacting. Not one is intellectually curious enough to even care to listen.
A/S,
You forgot to mention the keggers. Lots of IVAW functions invlolve alcohol, especially when you clowns are recruiting.
Lol, so THATS how they do it!
I’ll point out that most military functions involve alcohol too. And every VFW post I’ve been to has ridiculously cheap beer. It’s not uncommon with veterans’ organizations.
Jonn wrote: Typical Army Sergeant (the IVAW member not the service). Respond to the only question you can answer and ignore the ones you can’t. I’m pretty sure you know Darnell Stephen Summers, the fellow I wrote about a while back, since he’s over there in Germany and works closely with your folks. He came by here yesterday and admitted he’s a commie.
Whether you get money from them or not is fairly irrelevant. Heck, I’ve seen your articles posted on Workers’ World. Even if you don’t get money directly from them, you get access to their assets. The DC Chapter of IVAW having Karaoke Night with Code Pink – founded by Medea Benjamin, the pro-Castro founder of Global Exchange (She said that the move from America to Castro’s island nation made her feel “like I died and went to heaven.”) . Lately, every time I see Medea, Millard is right behind. She ought not stop too abruptly.
If I could prove that you’re getting money from Commies, I would, but in the interim, I can prove your connections to communists.
AS-
Now you are grasping. The people here have pointed out that organizations you support/work for do indeed get money from communistic entities and you are still denying that it occurs. C’mon. There is nothing worse than a soldier claiming to stand up for something and turning a blind eye. Isn’t that a bit hypocritical? You are against the war, serving in the Military and claim to be be a patriot. I guess I am John F-ing Carry stoopid to think that support of IVAW?VFP with communist money is promoting what you stand for?
A/S,
“We are not funded by a communist organization, nor do we collaborate with the enemy.”
Thompson Bradley is a Marxist and has collaborated with the enemy. I have his word on that.
Who is Thompson Bradley?
TSO said” You do get funding from various communist entities
I’d argue this is more distasteful than illegal.
Trying to hide the sources is an IRS issue, and perhaps actionable? Aiding and abetting our legal enemies is beyond the pale, and I like to think that the FBI is aware.
But just getting money from communists, or providing stories to the communist media doesn’t appear to rise to the level of a crime from this layman’s seat. (it does activate my gag reflex though)
I don’t think it is illegal, just that AS was saying they were not funded by commies.
As for the funding, they are entitled to keep their funding quiet by virtue of their tax status.
You know whats funny AS? My VFW Post has NEVER had a bar, and NEVER will have one. We also do not allow smoking inside the Post Home. It has been like that for 60 years. We find both distracting, they make the meetings less productive. Don’t try to bring a decent Veteran’s organization such as VFW down to the level of a shitbag group such as VFP and IVAW. You are still a MISERABLE excuse for an NCO. Do us all a favor and turn in your stripes if you are so against the military and the war. Turn in your stripes and ask for a discharge, or conscientious objector status if you so dislike everything AS.
And as for the funding issue with IVAW and VFP, the word I believe everyone is looking for is not illegal, the word is IMMORAL.
I don’t hide what I do-hell, it’s publicly out there.
You purposely and consistently misrepresent IVAW on comment threads on numerous blogs, yet we are supposed to believe that you are telling the truth during your clearance review?
Perhaps after maintaining the lie of IVAW, you no longer can judge truth from fiction.
Skye, thats one of the requirements for membership in IVAW, an inability to judge fact from fiction.
[…] The IVAW overworked and underpaid water carrier, Army Sergeant is there as well. Jonn Lilyea of This Ain’t Hell has more on this story of the breakup between Jesse and IVAW, including a copy of the real DD214. […]
Comin’ in late, here; but I just now watched this fagboys video. I wasn’t within a hundred miles of wherever it was that he started basic training, but I will say, declare, and state: Jesse McBeth was not tortured in Basic training, neither on nor off duty. If he or anyone else cares to debate my statement, bring it on, and bring your evidence with you. I would call him a pussy, but my nieces were able to complete basic training, jump school, and more. That would denigrate the fairer sex. I believe that he and his bunk buddy conjured up any story that he chooses to put forth, and the only torture was the denial of his right to get on his knees to his bunk buddy. Jesse McBeth is a Lyin’ sorry excuse for a male, and appears to be a flamin’ fagboy. If he weren’t so pathetic, his story would be humorous. Seems he just didn’t realize that basic trainees would be expected to conduct themselves as humans.
IVAW, its members, and its cause suck; but Jesse McBeth couldn’t even qualify to be one of “them”.
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I don’t trust anything that F*cktard McBeth says, but that doesn’t take anything away from the fact that Army Sergeant and her ilk are treasonous cowards and should be in jail.
Now let me get this straight.
IVAW was instrumental in bringing MacBeth into the spotlight. From my perspective it certainly appears they were willing to give him a platform, let alone corroborate the story.
Now A/S is on here talking about assaulting him, and having had him kicked out of IVAW?
Sure. Nice try.
A/S,
“I’ll point out that most military functions involve alcohol too. ”
Nice try to slip the punch, but Army recruiters aren’t allowed to routinely (or non-routinely) use alcohol to attract or entice recruits.
IVAW definitely does.
Let’s see how many people turn out when IVAW isn’t offering free food and booze plus a concert.
A/S,
“Who is Thompson Bradley?”
One of the VFP mentors of the IVAW.
The old guy who looks like Col Sanders, wears a “signature jaunty beret, red scarf and mirrored aviator sunglasses.”
He was the Clipbiard Commando that threatened TSO at Winter Soldier 2.1
He IS a Marxist, he did collaborate with the NVA and NLF in September 1968 and not all that long ago told Latin America that he was ashamed of the USA.
Tell Thompson he can’t be as ashamed of the USA as the USA is of him.
Heard of Cathy Wilkerson, the SDS/Weather Underground member who’s father’s town house exploded as they manufactured bombs for an NCO dance at Fort Dix?
He was the campus radical professor while she attended Swathmore.
Circa 2004, she mentions him in her book, he reviewed her book for Swathmore’s newletter and they both were on a panel discussing their glory days.
And that part about KILLING NCOs at Fort Dix, 24 years since the attempt they haven’t realized that KILLING US soldiers is a bad thing.
Her book discusses her SDS cell decided to KILLING NCOs without any debate or objection. They only thing where there was discussion was what method would not only KILL NCOs and make the NCOs suffer the most.
And by the way, at least two Democrat led committees in Congress investigated him for subversion.
BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE…when he came back from “Meeting The Vietnamese”, he made the case that the Viet Cong program of terror, where they went into villages and publically executed government officials and village leaders was the moral thing to do. Assainations.
But that same bastard will go to Fort Benning and accuse our Soldiers of teaching assasination to foreign troops.
Lucky,
VFP’s fundraising probably is illegal, at least the $500,000 collected by VFP in the name of Katrina victims.
Checkout the info on that at “Sweetness and Light” in the blog list here.
There has never been a public accounting of that fundraiing.
BUT WAIT THERE’S MORE…and the VFP says they sent the Katrina victims fund $50,000 to make up for what they mismanaged.
So A/S should ask VFP for the accounting and the report on why VFP decided it needed to cut a $50,000 check. Then maybe the scales will fall from her eyes.
Former corpsman: I personally did not have him thrown out of IVAW, other members did. It was before my time. Nor did I assault Jesse Macbeth: I said I WISH assault was legal so that I could do it, but he is not worth my going to jail over. WIshes, last time I checked, aren’t illegal.
Raoul: That’s because they’re targeting different audiences. Recruiters are targeting non-Army. IVAW are talking to veterans, who are a much harder drinking group of individuals. Also, do you have a photo of this guy? I was way too angry at Winter Soldier to pay attention to who exactly I was yelling at. I remember that someone was there spouting ridiculous shit, but it was kind of a red haze. All I remember was TSO trying to vaguely calm me down while looking really amused at the whole thing.
I will check that out Raoul, thanks for the tip! And IVAW doesn’t serve alcohol at their rallies, they serve tainted ass Kool Aid. Booyah.
A/S,
“That’s because they’re targeting different audiences. Recruiters are targeting non-Army. IVAW are talking to veterans, who are a much harder drinking group of individuals.”
Oh Puleeze….
IVAW supplies enough alcohol that regardless of the person’s tolerance, they are compromised.
The Army has a policy against recruiters getting recruits drunk. REGARDLESS OF AGE. IVAW routinely gets recruits drunk. REGARDLESS OF AGE.
Nice try, be sure to enjoy playing the home version of our show…
As far as Thompson Bradley, he’s the guy who always walked around or stood with his legs apart like he’s got a load in his pants. It’s pretty distinctive.
PS: We waterboarded his ass and he gave up the 11 herbs and spices in 45 seconds.
A/S,
No qualms about IVAW getting their tax exempt status from VFP, where VFP has admitted to irreglaurities in their Katrina fund raising?
I’ll wait…
Raoul:
I stand by what I was taught as a young Army soldier. If you’re old enough to carry a gun and potentially die for your country, you are old enough to drink. I think it is an obscenity that some bleeding hearts managed to get it the other way around. You’re responsible enough to kill, but not to consume alcohol? Ridiculous.
Also, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with statements about the quantity of IVAW alcohol consumption, given that I don’t think you’re exactly hanging around IVAW parties/get-togethers-and I firmly maintain you won’t see any more alcohol there than other soldier/vet get-togethers.
Also, IVAW has its own tax-exempt application in process and as soon as it goes through, we won’t need VFP’s status anymore. I’m not sure how VFP had anything to do with Katrina, though, as it’s not a war, but I don’t doubt it.
Wait, so AS actually remembers what she was taught as a Soldier, or is it selective memory? She can remember the WTT stuff, but apparently not ANY of the Core Values. Nice, really nice.
Lucky:
I can remember all of the Army Core Values. In fact, I wrote an article for SITREP about how they support my membership in IVAW. If you’d like, I can send it to you…
Hey, some of the original VVAW crew thought bombings and killings were a good idea. Why put it past the new guys?
In a nutshell, this how the funding works for the VVAW/VVAW-IA/VFP and IVAW. The box I was using for my research went down, I am reconstructing from my notebooks and memory.
True some funds (very minute) do in fact come from individual donations. The super funding of these groups comes from TIDES Foundation, it’s affiliated operating entities TIDES Center, Inc (financial services)and TIDES Underdog Fund.
Once the IVAW floated to surface, the VFP via the TIDES Foundation approval loaned their 503(c)status to IVAW. TIDES provides every penny for such operations up to and including incorporation under their guidance.
TIDES Center loans or grants these groups the operating capital. That provides salaries for the higher level IVAW office and managerial staffs. It pays for posters, uniforms, flags, banners, travel to selected events, tax and legal services ect.
For that, the National Lawyers Guild (ACLU) steps in.
Any additional funding does get derived from outside sources such as any of the Soros operations, labor unions and yes, some the mighty rich that have now learned to funnel their funds for such activities to TIDES. That way, their butts aren’t so likely to be exposed to scrutiny.
The Communist Party, (CPUSA) is hot and heavy into helping fund (that includes donating space on related websites), arranging for interviews, book tours and training.
That’d be hardcore, activist training and going about nitiating a direct action such as what his name getting stomped on by that police horse up in NY a while back.
In any footage out from the DNC and RNC events you were looking at the IVAW’s putting into practice what they have been taught by a leading, not afraid to hurt, main, injure people to get their point across environmental activist group.
I do fully anticipate IVAW to ramp up direct actions….
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A/S, Oh Puleeze…. [I stand by what I was taught as a young Army soldier. If you’re old enough to carry a gun and potentially die for your country, you are old enough to drink. I think it is an obscenity that some bleeding hearts managed to get it the other way around. You’re responsible enough to kill, but not to consume alcohol? Ridiculous.] Nice irrelevant strawman you’re parachuted into the discussion, but sorry, no sale. We weren’t talking about that topic at all. That’s why people here do not trust and therefore do not respect you. The subject was that IVAW will spread all the counter-recruiting talking points about questionable recruiting practices, all while IVAW entices people they are recruiting for their cause via a free lunch, a free concert and mass quantities of alcohol. [Also, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with statements about the quantity of IVAW alcohol consumption, given that I don’t think you’re exactly hanging around IVAW parties/get-togethers-and I firmly maintain you won’t see any more alcohol there than other soldier/vet get-togethers.] If you consider that level acceptable, you need to get counseling. I’m not doing your work for free. You can buy my book when it comes out. But from now on, everyone here knows about my observation and can compare what they see (past and future) regarding IVAW and booze versus what you claim. You’re not going to win this point. [Also, IVAW has its own tax-exempt application in process and as soon as it goes through, we won’t need VFP’s status anymore. I’m not sure how VFP had anything to do with Katrina, though, as it’s not a war, but I don’t doubt it.] I translate that as “By any means necessary”. So until you get your own 501(3)c, it’s OK to associate with questionable people. Again, VFP are the IVAW’s mentors. IVAW’s formation was announced at the VFP Convention in Boston 2004, VFP people work as volunteers at IVAW HQ. If you don’t know that, I want a rebate of my portion of what you’re paid to fill an MI… Read more »
Army Sergeant:
The Army Security folks must be getting lax with regard to off-duty affiliations. The fact that the IVAW is rife with unethical shitbags should send up all kinds of red flags.
The fact that you’re a member doesn’t speak well for you either.