Jesse MacBeth trashes IVAW [Jonn]
Jesse MacBeth, the poster child of the phony soldier movement, and I find common ground. I’ll admit I know what MacBeth says in this video isn’t completely true, because it’s Jesse MacBeth, for Pete’s sake.
However, he admits that IVAW had his DD214 and they helped him forge the DD214 he tried to pass off as proof of his combat experience. For those of you who haven’t seen his real DD214, here it is, courtesy of our friends at POW Network;
I’ve always wondered about the DD214 forgery because MacBeth probably doesn’t have the brains to forge his DD214. But he also calls into question the character of service and the narratives coming from IVAW members.
He also says “higher ups” helped him perpetrate his fraud on themedia. He doesn’t name the “higher ups”, but at the time he inflicted himself on the stage, that could only mean the Veterans For Peace and VVAW clowns who were running the organization behind the scenes.
Now, MacBeth also claims that some IVAW members were discussing bombings. I don’t believe that at all – unless he wants to give us names, dates and places of these discussions.
Well, here’s the video on YouTube he apparently made just last week;
Like I said, you can’t believe MacBeth completely, he’s an habitual liar. However, he makes some of the same points I have proven on this blog. It’ll probably be quite some time before we get disillusioned IVAW former-members coming out publicly, so this all we’ve got for now.
Thanks to Skye at Flopping Aces and The Paratrooper of Love, Blackfive for the links.
ADDED: There’s another video I didn’t think was important the first time, but since MacBeth still draws a crowd here it is;
And, for extra entertainment, TSO’s comments that MacBeth deleted at the YouTube link;
He’s starting to monitor comments, but I got a few good ones in there
jessemacbeth (8 minutes ago) Reply
i suspect ur another ivaw idiot who dont like being exposed breing all your ivaw buddies here let them see the video and the others i am making exposing what frauds you all aree5infantry (12 minutes ago) 0 Reply | Spam
OMFG, this gets better by the second! You tried to kill yourself with aspirin?Same shit with me, only I tried to kill myself with Preparation H and Flintstones vitamins.
e5infantry (13 minutes ago) 0 Reply | Spam
Dude, this is the greatest video eveh. You are such a dipshit it is astonishing. You had me at “crusted blood”. You show ’em RoughRider!e5infantry (16 minutes ago) 0 Reply | Spam
I suspect you may be going back to jail, if I am not mistaken, your eyebrows are actually a protected species of caterpiller. Which makes sense since apparently gypsy moths have been feasting on your brains for years.
He goes on to tell Army Sergeant that he’s got a book deal in the works and that he’s going to spill the beans on IVAW in a big expose`. It reminds me of a nerd slap-fight.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers
So, Macbeth’s sudden attack of conscience didn’t happen until he went to jail for using his doctored DD214 to get Veteran benefits from the VA? Anyone who fabricates information on their DD214, should automatically face charges.
He mistook the “none//nothing follows” parts on the document as ‘fill in the blanks’.
Lets face it people, the IVAW is nothing without the VVAW and VFP …anyone who was at the so called IVAW Winter Soldier hearings knows there was a script being followed. It is a shame that these little boys of the IVAW were recruited and pushed into the spotlight (what little of it there was) The VVAW was out in force controlling what was said and who was there to ask questions… The whole fact of the matter is this. The IVAW,VVAW and VFP are maybe 5% Infantry MOS’s the majority of these organizations let anyone join weather they even served in a war zone or not…so what MacBeth has to say has much truth to it weather he has lied in the past or not makes no difference your whole organizations have lied in the past!!!….AMEN
All of you lowlifes try to find some other way to get into the spotlight of life…I wouldn’t waste my spit on any of you traitors…that’s not just traitors to your country that’s traitors to your brothers who GAVE ALL.
AS, as I stated earlier, I don’t rightly care what you use to justify your sad meaningless existence. Every day you remain a member of IVAW, you betray the Army Values, and become that much bigger a disgrace to the uniform and the NCO Corps. If you feel so strongly on the War and about the President, take a more appropriate response, ask for an early discharge, ask to become a conscientious objector, turn in your stripes. Any of those would be acceptable. Every day you continue your sad, used up, repetitive dialogue, you become an even bigger affront to the moral sensibilities of every Patriotic American, and to the men and women in uniform doing a job you apparently do not wish to do anymore. You are an empty uniform.
AS,
“I said I WISH assault was legal so that I could do it, but he is not worth my going to jail over. WIshes, last time I checked, aren’t illegal.”
Be real carefuul with that one. You’re skating very close to the “Hate Crimes” provisions that Progressives ™ so love to invoke. Your comrades seek to make many wishes illegal.
As for quibbles about who is, or is not an actual Communist. They have a long and dishonorable tradition of sheep-dipping themselves before doing deeds that might be unpopular or illegal. Ramon Mercader, the Not-a-Commie who assissinated Trotsky, after his release from a Mexican prison was welcomed into the USSR and given a medal. And then there are those Cheap-Charlies who cheat The Party of Dues. And in a tu quoque moment, when as the Left evr shown the least care or precision about whom they call a fascist?
Rurik,
You’re right, you can go to jail for what you’re thinking…if the liberals get their way.
SHOT OUT:
From the IVAW website: Logan M. Laituri was sent as the IVAW Ambassador to Marxism 2008 in Sydney. • IVAW Down Under, 3/29/2008 1835hrs http://www.ivaw.org/membersspeak/ivaw-down-under
AS, the IVAW is a communist support organization.
FIRE FOR EFFECT:
They are traitors, liars, and apparently forgers. They know no loyalty to Nation, the Military, nor even their own lying membership.
Read the words of one their CSM’s here: http://csmvanguard.blogspot.com/
BTW: He was also in charge of the first MOH recipient of the war, is a true hero, purple star recipient, and a blue star father, as well as in charge of a yellow-bellied future IVAW lying traitor.
To understand how people like AS are used or users, read this: http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home/politics_of_peace/
At least Code Stinkos have a substantiated claim to their ignorance. The only thing worse than more lies from MacBeth are the lies perpetuated in defense of the traitorous IVAW. He’s too ignorant and undereducated to have forged his 214. The IVAW was complicit and likely a partner in that fraud and forgery.
by Logan M. Laituri | Mar 29 2008 – 6:35pm
“Flying to DC to participate in the historic Winter Soldier hearings, I had one thing on my mind; airplanes. …and the 20+ hours aboard which I had to look forward to directly following the events at the National Labor College. I would be headed to Australia to participate in Marxism 2008 as an IVAW ambassador…Finally, it would be absurd to consider this a personal endeavor, as I filled a request through, for, and by the organization as a whole, and I behaved accordingly…”
From the link listed above.
wanna see a “real” dd214
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/ANG22.gif
lol as if!
WOTN: I went to the links you mentioned, but I’m unsure what you were hoping for me to get through them. CSM Vanguard hasn’t posted anything about the IVAW lately, and the link you sent me about how I’m being used’s last post was a movie review. Are you talking about specific posts? Can you link them if so? Also, Logan in his members speak is very open about how he disagrees with Marxists and his impression of them is usually reactionary-that he was trying to explain his own personal way of nonviolence (and also that it didn’t receive great support there). Logan is a true Christian in every sense of the word, and I don’t read his statement as IVAW support for Marxism. Rurik: Wasn’t Trotsky a Communist also? Man, sometime when I get more time I really need to look into all this. And, uh, the concept of thoughtcrime is doubleplusungood. 🙂 I think that’s one of the great concepts about America, that you can think what you like as long as you don’t harm others with it by putting your thoughts to action. If that starts slipping, I’m going to have more work to do defending the Constitution here… Lucky: I am not a conscientious objector: I believe that war is sometimes necessary, and I would kill to protect my loved ones and their way of life. I’d be regretful about it, but I would do it. Would I accept an early discharge if the Army just walked over and handed me one with no hard feelings? I honestly don’t know. But I have done nothing wrong, and to the best of my knowledge, the Army doesn’t want me gone. GI Jane: I believe he didn’t decide to claim he was sorry and was just misled by mysteeeeeerious IVAW members until after he went to jail and was apparently offered a book deal. So he thinks he can make money off of it. However, I’m curious: isn’t there some rule that prohibits people from profiting off of their crimes? I’ve heard this but am not sure if… Read more »
A/S; It was meant in a generic fashion since my other box is down and I have everything on it. I forewarned that I had to reconstruct from memory and what I’d jotted down in notebooks….
I stand by my line of thought. Someone, somewhere at some time will escalate the direct actions.
Then, there is only one option AS, turn in your Stripes, you will never be able to change the fact that you are a miserable excuse for an NCO. I bet you take pleasure in exerting undue command influence over your Joes. Do you make them come with you to protest? That seems to be the thing to do among the crazies who protest outside Walter Reed, most of the protesters are forced to be there by their bosses. Turn in your Stripes AS, its the only HONORABLE choice you have left. You are acting like a spoiled little SPC, might as well be one…
Lucky:
Sadly for you, I have never given IVAW materials to any soldier underneath me, nor have I brought any of them to protests. Sorry I wasn’t unethical enough for you.
You are still incredibly unethical, and should still turn in your Stripes. You gave up your right to call yourself a Sergeant when you started colluding with the traitorous dogs who call themselves IVAW.
Yes AS, Trotsky was a Communist, at least until he got into a rivalry with Stalin over who was to be Lenin’s successor, lost the fight and was expelled from the Communist Party and the USSR. That feud was less about details of Marxist doctrine than of personal antagonisms and ambitions. It fact, it seems to me a useful metaphor for understanding some of the recent feuds in the Demo Party – minus the killing (so far at least). But my focus, which you seem to have avoided, was on his assassin, who made sure to clear himself of any official tie to the CPSU before going off to do a deed the Party clearly wanted done. Arthur Koestler was another famous individual who kept his Party membership secret while working under Party orders. Secret Party membership was never a myth, but often a reality. Heck, it might even include some MSM individuals for all we know.
And yes, “Hate Crime”, beloved on the Left, is a category solely dependent on what the offender was believed to be thinking/feeling at the time she/he/it commited some other offense. Its already on the statute books in many states.
“Former corpsman: I personally did not have him thrown out of IVAW, other members did. It was before my time. Nor did I assault Jesse Macbeth: I said I WISH assault was legal so that I could do it, but he is not worth my going to jail over. WIshes, last time I checked, aren’t illegal.”
I wish I could dip you in salt.
You want to use her as a margarita glass?
😉
“WOTN: I went to the links you mentioned, but I’m unsure what you were hoping for me to get through them. CSM Vanguard hasn’t posted anything about the IVAW lately, and the link you sent me about how I’m being used’s last post was a movie review. Are you talking about specific posts?” CSM Vanguard is a proud, patriotic and disciplined NCO(ret) who has served his Nation for decades and sacrificed much. He has had the honor of serving with an MoH recipient and the disheartening reality of learning one of his troops turned to dishonor in seeking his 15 minutes of fame. If he decides to never utter another word about the coward or the organization he joined, he has done his part. His account stands on the merit of his honorable service. If you are interested in learning of how you are being used (or reading the outing of how you use others), go to the beginning: http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home/2008/09/disruption-for.html and read the entire series and then the follow-on articles. Watch the Movie. It’s great comedy with a Pro-American lesson, an oddity for Hollywood. It may have taken time in jail to get through to MacBeth, but he is smart enough to realize he was used. He may be a pathological liar, but not even a dog likes to be beat by its master and he has turned on his. “Logan is a true Christian in every sense of the word, and I don’t read his statement as IVAW support for Marxism. ” You don’t need to read it that way. He states his trip was endorsed officially by YOUR masters. The same “leadership” that embraced MacBeth until he was outted and then threw him under the bus. Here’s the bottom line: If you don’t know why you’re fighting for democracy while you support its enemy, then you need to get out of the Army. We have given the Iraqi people the ability to peaceably choose their leaders, something they could not have attained against the brutal tyrant nor the terrorists that attempted to replace him. Your organization opposes that… Read more »
A/S,
Another question and/or observation. The official IVAW posted requirements to join IVAW are:
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IVAW welcomes all post-9/11 veterans and active duty servicemen and women from all branches of military service, National Guard members, and reservists who support this mission to join our ranks.
Please provide verification of service, click here for the acceptable paperwork.
Verification of Service
A copy of one of the following (feel free to black out personal info such as social security number) must accompany your membership form:
DD 214
Military Photo identification
Unit Move Order indicating service dates and locations
Medal, award, or certificate of recognition
Paperwork from Veterans Administration
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It appears that Jesse MacBeth was, and is still, eligible to be a IVAW member. What policy of IVAW did he violate? Inquiring minds want to know.
A/S,
A review of the official IVAW website and the listed qualifications for membership show no reason that Jesse MacBeth can’t be a member. He meets all the qualifications. No where does it state what type of discharge is required.
Wouldn’t that be considered discrimination? Are there a set of bylaws in existence that are not posted?
ummm i think lying and misrepresenting your service, especially when your in a group of vets.. should be grounds for removal of any organization. MacBeth is not the first veteran my age to be outted as a liar and he won’t be the last!
If an Honorable Discharge was required for IVAW membership, over half of the members would be ineligible for membership in the organization. Nice try AS, but your organization can’t even avoid lying to itself. Wow, and I thought y’all were just crazy. This takes Sociopath to a whole new level.
WS
Macbeth does meet the qualifications listed on the website the way it’s stated:
“IVAW welcomes all post-9/11 veterans and active duty servicemen and women from all branches of military service, National Guard members, and reservists who support this mission to join our ranks.”
and…
“Verification of Service
A copy of one of the following (feel free to black out personal info such as social security number) must accompany your membership form:
DD 214
Military Photo identification
Unit Move Order indicating service dates and locations
Medal, award, or certificate of recognition
Paperwork from Veterans Administration ”
According to your website he’s eligible?
1st Cav:
IVAW doesn’t post every list of rules publicly on the website, no, but mischaracterization of military service/fraud is actually against our Code of Conduct and can be (and has been) grounds for removal.
Also, as he never made it out of basic training, he is not actually a veteran and thus not eligible.
TSO:
Well, it would fit in with Raoul’s talk about the Way of the Alcohol..
A/S,
[Well, it would fit in with Raoul’s talk about the Way of the Alcohol..]
The topic is IVAW hypocrisy, not alcohol.
Keep up or take notes.
VFP offers IVAW members a year’s free membership in VFP.
But then again, VFP has awfully low standards. Even I qualify for full VFP membership even though I’ve never been AWOL, court marshalled, deserted or committed treason.
TSO
“You want to use her as a margarita glass?”
Actually, pretzel was running through my mind when I posted that.
That is how the story was being twisted.
AS, even if he never made it out of BCT, the Veterans Administration would still provide him benefits, that is, only if he was discharged with a Line of Duty injury.
Lucky,
Really? That’s crazy, I had no idea.
That said, I’m pretty sure Macbeth walked away with a Failure To Adapt, or its equivalent.
Also, he can’t handle criticism very well, he’s been deleting comments left and right on his little youtube videos.
A/S,
Lucky said “Line of Duty”.
Focus, like a laser beam. It helps.
Raoul,
Yes, I accepted that I was ignorant in the situation and did not know that LOD injuries in basic still got VA benefits. I just wanted to emphasize that even if it was, Macbeth’s wasn’t LOD.
@Army Sergeant:
There seem to be a buttload of fakes, frauds, and document altering among those
“mysteeeeeerious IVAW members”. There’s not just a rule but a LAW forbiding the unauthorized alteration of official documents like the DD214.
The craven, shameful IVAW members, including the ones who “just quietly work for change…” are a boil on the ass of humanity. What exactly is it that you want to change? How about the possibility of no more attacks against this country by Islamic thugs who want to change the world into a Caliphate? You want change? Work to stop the them and protect and defend this country against those who would gladly capitulate to our enemies, rather than take a stand.
With B. Hussein Obama’s plan to ‘negotiate without preconditions’you’ll get “change” alright.
What kills me about all you anti-war ‘activists’ is your total disregard of the reasons we are fighting in the Middle East, as well as a lack of your own response (surrender doesn’t count) to the terrorist attacks and the Islamic threat. If you’d like, I can re-post everything I’ve cited on Saddam’s U.N. violations, discovered WMDs, and terrorist affiliations as well as Afghanistan’s role in providing safe-haven for the Taliban and Al Qaeda. I can re-interate how the Middle East is a cesspool of breeding and indocrination of Islamic extremists.
But why state the obvious?
The IVAW and other groups of disgruntled children will not change the world for the better. Far from it. Like other pro-Islamist forums like the New York Times, you give aid and support to the enemy. Don’t think so?
When it comes to leftwing anti-U.S. media and organizatons, Islamic terrorists couldn’t ask for a better mouthpiece. Everytime Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R., or the IVAW hold anti-U.S. rallies, it resonates with terrorists. Just tune into Al Jazeera, MEMRI, or any of the other Islamic propagada sites.
They share your talking points.
Jesse Macbeth is a liar as well as a women beater… I had the unfortunate 1st hand view of everything as he was claiming to be an Iraq vet I suffered may times through his so called “flashbacks” look up the records in Oakland CA 2006…
Holy schneikes, I spit out my soda at the comments on his youtube video (now deleted by macliar of course). Hilarious.
The Judge Judy episode with one of our more notorious posers is currently airing in the DC market.
IVAW = Losers.