More on “LTC” Royston Potter and polygamy

| April 24, 2013

Following up on yesterday, I have some more info to share on “LTC Royston Potter”. If you haven’t read that post, start there.

According to his Youtube page:

I am a former US Army LTC of 28 years. I served in various Military Police and Military Intelligence positions around the globe. I was also a municipal police officer for about 3 years. I bring my unique experience, training, education, and spiritual insights to bear in analyzing important issues and trends in the U.S. and the world.

When I told him I would be filing a FOIA, he immediately played the standard card that we wouldn’t find anything without his SSN [I have that now too], and that we would need that because:

You do if you want to find me at DOD, which is where you will have to go. You will not find me at NPRC, for a VERY good reason, and it is not that I did not have 28 years. Have fun!

Yes, I’m sure there is a very good reason. Nonetheless, we already filed the FOIA.

There is no Royston Potter in AKO. Additionally, as I said yesterday:

Is he the same dude as this guy who was fired from the police for polygamy? Who knows.

I spent the bulk of yesterday working with Nicki and Hondo looking into that aspect. The reason for that is because we know that the Polygamy thing would have come smack dab in the middle of his military career. This would make his claim even more dubious of course. So I went to my JAG Off. friend.

Convicted by a civilian jurisdiction? Normally you would expect that to result in separation under AR 635-200, chapter 14 I think.

So let’s backtrack and see what I have on that.

On April 30, 1985 the Tenth Circuit ruled in the case of Royston E. POTTER v. MURRAY CITY. Like our video diarist, this Rosyton Palmer was also a police officer.

In this suit the plaintiff-appellant Royston E. Potter (plaintiff) challenges Utah’s proscription against polygamy or plural marriage.1 His principal claim is that the termination of his employment as a city police officer for the practice of plural marriage violated his rights to the free exercise of his religion and his right to privacy. On cross-motions for summary judgment, the district court ruled in favor of defendants, explaining its reasoning in a scholarly opinion. Potter v. Murray City, 585 F.Supp. 1126 (D.Utah 1984). Plaintiff appeals.

Plaintiff is a former police officer of Murray City, Utah. The City terminated plaintiff’s employment after it was learned that he practiced plural marriage. The basis for the discharge was that by his plural marriage plaintiff failed to support, obey and defend Article III of the Constitution of the State of Utah.

Now, is it the same guy? For three different reasons, I believe it is.

As noted yesteday, Youtube Royston made video effluvient mascarading as a movie about Jesus’ brother or somesuch nonsense entitled “The Crimson Thread.” It’s on his Youtube. It is based on his equally wretched book. I found a book review from Jeffrey Needle of the “Association for Mormon Letters” who confirms it is the same guy:

1982. Everyone was talking about Royston Potter. A police officer in the Murray, Utah police department, he was fired when it was discovered he was living “the Principle” — plural marriage. Potter did all he could to fight the decision, but eventually lost as the courts upheld the right of the police department to dismiss him for bigamy.

I first met Roy about 15 years ago. It was a gala birthday party for notorious polygamist Ogden Kraut. The party was held at Roy’s home. I spent a glorious afternoon among those evil polygs — and learned very quickly that I liked them very much! When Ogden passed away a few years ago, I knew I’d lost a good friend. Roy remains very much alive, and very busy at the task of producing a literature that I believe will make an enormous impact on the way we think of religion, God and Jesus.

Indeed, Roy has journeyed quite a way from his roots. His biography has him born a Jehovah’s Witness, a subsequent conversion to Catholicism, and then his journey to Mormonism. When I saw Roy last August, I was amazed at how much he has accomplished in the past ten years.

The current volume, “The Crimson Thread,” has an intriguing sub-title: “The Struggle To Become Jesus During The Revolt Against Rome.” This will come as a surprise to many: why did Jesus, the pre-existent Jehovah, need to *become* Jesus in his mortality? Potter takes the reader off into the intellectual, historical and imaginative world of the young Jesus. And he adds a fascinating twist: what if Jesus had a twin brother?

Now, not that Royston Potter is not a rare enough name, but what about the middle name of “E”. Well, Youtube Diarist Potter helpfully links to his video production company, located at this link. (Based exclusively on his movie, if you hire this guy, you deserve to be kicked in the nuts, super hard.) If you look down on that site, you will come to “LTC Royston Potter”‘s email address:

Royston Potter is available for interviews and other engagements. Please email him at rep4301@netscape.net […] He now resides in Evanston, Wyoming.

The REP portion is presumably his initials. So, I think we can rest on that one.

Hondo did a search of that name with Evanston, and it came back thusly:
Royston

(NOTE: Murray City, where the defendant in the case was from is located in Salt Lake County Utah, where the search indicates that the Royston E. Potter of LTC fame is from.)

Now, here is a picture of the groom and his (then) two lovely brides captioned “SALT LAKE CITY: Royston Potter and his two wives, Denise (left) and Joanne, taken on the day of the second wedding April 26, 1983:

Royston2

[Picture used under Fair Use.]

Now, note that at the time of the picture, he had 2 wives, neither named “Mary” which is what is listed in the search above. Fear not intrepid reader, for People.com is here to save us:

Meanwhile, Roy’s unusually extended family has drawn even closer together during the crisis. His wives, who call him “the patriarch,” have taken jobs—Denise, 30, as a waitress, Joanne, 31, as an inventory control specialist, and Mary, 26, as a secretary. All praise their family situation and the way they are raising their children…

Roy married Mary last May. Originally the three women lived in separate residences, with Roy shuttling among them. Now, with money tight, Mary has moved into the three-bedroom main house with Denise, while Joanne lives in a nearby apartment. The house is sparsely furnished, the living room dominated by a picture of Jesus praying. The entire family gets together for Sunday dinners.

Per this article dated November 28, 1983, Roy was 30 at the time. (Presumably born in 1953*, which matches the search above.) Mary was 4 years younger, which again matches the search.

*[DOB confirmed as 7/22/1953]

Here is the picture of his face, matched against a picture from his website:

Royston 3

Looks like same dude to me, what do you think?

Now, why is this important at all?

Crazy people are a dime a dozen, I get that. But crazy people who have amassed in excess of 500,000 page views on a Youtube video discussing how the Federal Gov’t, and especially our Special Operations Brothers killed innocent people and then framed two innocent Chechans deserves attention. Even that wouldn’t be worthy, except, as you note here on this video with 385,484 views, he is being billed as “A retired Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.” He’s a primary source for the lunatics at both Veterans Today, and Infowars.

Now, is it possible he was still in the Army despite having been fired from his law enforcement gig in Utah? I suppose if no one in the Army noticed, but this case went up to the Supreme Court before they denied it a hearing. Someone had to have seen it. Besides, how was he both a cop and in the military full time. I guess he could be a reservist or Guardsman, but that suffers the same infirmity: why would he be allowed to stay in the Officers ranks with that notoriety.

And just how deep does this guy’s bullshit go? It’s hard to tell, but I wanted to show you this video of his. I personally liked this quote: “I wanted to read a little excerpt from my journal one day. I wrote it when I returned from the war….which war? Well, I’ll just leave it at that.”

Yeah, must have been a top-secret war, like his military record.

PS, your writing is wretched. I’d say do something different, but I fear it would be acting, and you suck donkey balls at that too.

BTW- His proof that he served in the military? This picture, which I kid you not is this actual size. It could be Potter, Selena Gomez, the Loch Ness Monster or Derek Jeter. Alas, it’s so damn small I don’t find it particularly conclusive.

Potter4

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PintoNag

Take him down, TSO. Couldn’t happen to a nicer sleeze.

Gruntling

Don’t let him be National Guard, Don’t let him be National Guard…

Nicki

Beautifully done, TSO!

I blew this up in Photoshoop, and I judge this is definitely the same guy. The facial features, including the brow and forehead slope, nose and area around the month, as well as the little cleft in the chin are a giveaway.

The older Potter is wearing a very badly made rug on this head that resembles a small, dead animal, but other than that, I really have no doubt about my assessment on this.

I’m still giggling at the videos!

But I’m pissed off as all hell that he is being hailed as some kind of an expert to condemn good people!

This fucker deserves a very quick, very solid kick in his shriveled family jewels.

Nicki

Uhhhh…. Photoshop. WTF is a Photoshoop?

Old Trooper

Hey, bud, I have a huge bone to pick with you; you sent me an email to watch that fucking video; so I did and now you owe me a couple bottles of mind bleach aka beer to get it out of my head. That was the dumbest piece of shit I have ever watched. It was worse than the steaming pile of a movie that Obumbles was blaming for the 9/11 Benghazi attack!

OWB

Good work, all!

(Getting out the popcorn because this promises to be most entertaining.)

OWB

PS @ Nicki: Photoshoop? Isn’t that the special super secret program used for comparative shopping by poser busters?

Nicki

I just spurted tea through my nose at @5’s reply!

OWB… Um… yeah… it’s the soooper seeekrit photo program that identifies military posers by facial recognition, developed especially by me by DARPA in 1958.

Because I’m speshul.

Hondo

OWB: wait, I heard it’s the super-secret-squirrel software used to “sheep dip” people’s records so that they don’t exist.

It’s often referred to by its code name: the “1973 fire”.

MSGRetired

The bad thing is that the Conspiracy Nuts will still follow him no matter the truth .. These WackJobs are coming out of the woodwork lately.

JAGC

Come on… He went to pieces during the war. He will never get over Macho Grande.

Hondo

MSGRetired: we can only show those fools that their “idols” have feet made of fresh dogsh!t.

If they persist in kissing their idol’s feet afterwards, that’s their problem.

MCPOI NYC USN (Ret.)

Ah … SECRET RECORDS!

Ex-PH2

We really do need to find them their own planet… far away from this one. Mars is too close.

Instinct

Maybe he works with Will Smith in that MIB outfit, that would make as much sense as the other BS he is spouting.

I think it will take scotch to bleach out this level of crap from my brain.

Nicki

Oh, I can’t WAIT until the FOIA request comes back! This ought to be good!

Flagwaver

“It could be Potter, Selena Gomez, the Loch Ness Monster or Derek Jeter.”

Did you notice that the soldier was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era? Did it say anything about needing tree fiddy? If not, then I think you can rule out the Loch Ness Monster.

NHSparky

Fuck this…I liked it better when fakers don’t try this hard.

Green Thumb

Turdball.

3C3P

Fucktard.

MAJMike

@2 “Gruntling” — What he said. We have enough to overcome.

Hondo

MAJMike: We’ll know soon enough – FOIA to UT NG will go out in today’s mail, as well as a second one to NPRC.

Combat Historian

Maybe he was a LTC in the CAP (I know I know…I should leave the poor cappies alone after the Tesla fiasco…) 🙂

PavePusher

I really don’t care about anyone’s marriage customs, as long as all involved are consenting adults. He should have been fired simply under the “Don’t Be A Fucktard” rule, written or un-written. And you’ve got to be a special kind of fucktard to get fired from the Murray City force, according to my relatives in the area. OMMV…. 8>)

FriendofTAH

Hondo, do you think this is him? According to this 24 October 1979 Deseret News article, Royston Edward Potter was a Lieutenant stationed at Toole Army Depot (Utah):

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=sNdSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_X8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5039,2958429&dq=royston+potter&hl=en

TSO

@26, certainly sounds like him.
So he was a LT in 1979. We still don’t know much unfortunately. I wonder what war he went to. But again, that would make him a Captain in 1985 (roughly) and it beggers belief that he got two more promotions after being fired as a cop and taking his case to the Supreme Court.

Plausible, yes. Just still seems unlikely.

FWIW, in a comment he left yesterday he said he was no Omar Bradley, but his military career is well documented.

LebbenB

How can a personal history be so threadbare, yet have so many loose ends?

Hondo

FriendofTAH: possibly. The timing would be plausible. Per his age, the man was born in 1953 or 1954. Assuming normal graduation from HS and completion of college in no more than 5 years with commissioning afterwards, he’d have been commissioned between 1975 and 1978. In that era, it was generally about 4 years from commissioning to CPT/O3 when serving on active duty. So if he was commissioned in 1976 or 1977, he’d still have been a LT in Oct 1979 – even without f-ing up royally.

It’s possible he served from say 1976-1980, got out vice accepting promo to CPT (or perhaps an overseas assignment) to avoid incurring additional service obligation, and then got a job as cop in the SLC area after getting out.

However, the fact that he was working full-time as a cop in the SLC area in 1983 does render his claim of 28 years in the Army suspect, at least as regards active duty service. Don’t know of too many active Army officers who are able to hold down full time employment as a cop as a 2nd job – or any other full-time job, for that matter. And I rather think that the public nature of his bigamy in 1983 (hell, it made People Magazine, for crying out loud) would have put the kibosh on his continued service as an officer in the USAR or ARNG if he were still serving at that time.

We’ll know what the “real deal” is when his FOIA comes back. Hopefully this one will take closer to 2 weeks than 2 months.

Ex-PH2

TSO, it might have been a war of the minds.

H1

So, when you retire as an O5 your get issued two additional wives?
After 18 years, my wonderful spouse is a good 1.15 to 1.25 percent trained.
That’s going to create some “challenges”.

FMR PAO

He’s sitting on the stairs as a symbol of hope. He needs f**ing straight jacket as a symbol of his bat shit nuttery.

Seriously, the turgid ramblings of a crazy man warrant an 8 minute Youtube video? I could eat a bowl of alpha bits and crap a more relevant essay than that.

I cannot WAIT for the FOIA to be posted here.

B Woodman

#25 PavePusher,
“I really don’t care about anyone’s marriage customs, as long as all involved are consenting adults.”
Ditto to the above, with the additional caveat:
You are NOT on public assistance/welfare for you, your wives, and/or your children. If you can’t afford one without assistance, then don’t add more.

There was a case in Utah some years back there the perp (Green something or another?) and his wives and children were living in slummy trailers, on public welfare. I think (if I remember correctly – and that may be suspect) that he was finally busted for molesting one (or more) of his wives children.

JAGC

According to this 1986 article, Potter was described as “a former Army lieutenant in the military police.” Based on these articles, I think he was indeed an officer, but at some point between 1979 and 1986, he became a former LT… But that’s kind of like a LTC… in a war…

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=B1tWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Yu8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6144,1982781&dq=royston-potter+and+army&hl=en

Friendof TAH

Royston Edward Potter graduated in 1971 from Northwestern High School in Hyattsville, MD, where he participated in the Navy JROTC. He then attended Brigham University and graduated in 1976, possibly with a ROTC Commission. He most likely served three years on active duty first at his Basic Course, then at Toole Army Depot in Utah. Got out because he wanted to get out or was passed over for Captain and then joined the Police Force at Salt Lake in either 1979 or 1980. He would still have owed the Army three years in the Reserves or in the IRR or National Guard. He claims to have been born in Washington DC and attended Command and General Staff College, so am researching some old CGSC yearbooks to see if I can find his picture, unless he did it by correspondence. He also ran for office under the Libertarian Party.

TSO

@35. And again, that would make sense. 4 years of service, and then out to IRR etc.
28 years and LTC is what I am focused on.

And @34, great work as always. He went from “former army LT” to “retired 28 year LTC” pretty damn quick. We know he got out permanently BEFORE AKO came into existence, or his retired stuff would be in there.

Can’t wait for the FOIA.

FriendofTAH

Royston Edward Potter graduated in 1971 from Northwestern High School in Hyattsville, MD. where he participated with the NJROTC (I will send the yearbook clipping to Jonn and Mary). He then attended Brigham Young University and graduated from their in 1976. I am speculating he earned his commission from the ROTC program there. He most likely went to this Basic Course, then had his first duty station at Toole Army Depot and served until 1979, most likely either getting out of serving three years active or was passed over for Captain. He still would have had to serve 3 years in the Reserves or IRR, thus explaining him working for the Police Force in Utah in 1980. On one Bio, he claimed to have been born in Washington, DC and attended Command and General Staff College. If I cannot find his pictures in any CGSC yearbooks, then I am assuming he did CGSC by correspondence.

Trent

I guess we should be happy that he’s just, ahem, (lieutenant) colonel Potter. He could be major general Bartford Hamilton Steele. “That’s three e’s; not all in a row.”

AW1 Tim

And folks wonder why I never returned to Utah after I left active duty. It’s because there were guys like this in every frikkin’ town and city and dairy farm. I. Kid. You. Not.

The thing is that folks like “LTC Potter” were taken at their word, and especially if they were in some church office or a corporate management type, well, they just wouldn’t be questioned about their stories. My dad had a number of folks he just shut off friendships with when he heard their war stories because he knew they were padding their resumes.

LostOnThemInterwebs

Now I might be just be wrong on this one (me? NEVER!) but don’t you get to E-2 by being able to breathe constantly for 6 months? (Or so http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/marinepromotions/a/marineprom.htm leads me to believe!)

Because he was discharged as a Private (E-1?) Soooo errrr someone got busted down?? badly? might just be me .. might just be me … Yep I can see the gorgeous ServSent SumCourt ..

To this day that can actually serve do this kinda crap … Meh I’m not even going to waste my rant on this idiot … Taking the words from GT (if I may) …

TURD

PintoNag

@40 Ref post #26. The linked article indicates LT Potter was involved in some incident with a bomb that turned out to be a fake (not the whole article). Possibly some kind of disciplinary action involved?

FriendofTAH

Royston Edward Potter was selected for Promotion to Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Army Reserves in 1996:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ntquery/D?nomis:1:./temp/~nomisoozUQw::

So my theory was right. He most likely was on Active Duty from 1976 to 1979 or 1980, either voluntary got out or was passed over for Captain, did the rest of his time in the Army Reserves, either with a TPU or Individual Drilling Reservists or was with the IRR. Most likely, since he came out on the list, he probably retired as a LTC in 2002, that is, he either was passed over for Colonel/O6 or he voluntary retired to start drawing his retirement at the age of 60 (which he would have been in 2002 or 2003 since he was born in either 1952 or 1953).

Ex-PH2

I don’t know how it is in the other services, but in 1967, you were E-1 in boot camp, then became E-2 on graduating and if you were a striker for a specific rate, which usually meant school, you were E-3 by the time you left “A” school 2.5 months after starting classes.

TSO

@42, that brings up even more questions. Mind you it makes sense, but…..

1) How did he stay in with the Polygamy thing?
2) What war did he go to?
3) Why isn’t he in the AKO?
4) If he served 28 years…..Why does that article say “Former LT.” 28 from 1976 would be 2004. Plus we know there was a lapse in there, from the article.

Andy

@26, I just finished reading the article and holy sheite! An 8pk of Pepsi for .89 cents? And burritos 4 for a $1? As for Potter, I think this is going to turn out to be a case of some guy that did serve and had a unremarkable career that, through his own lunacy, has spun it into something else. I await the results of Hondos FOIA.

LostOnThemInterwebs

@41 PintoNag: Yeah sounds like it, talk about a bad prank. They actually ORDERED that the fake bomb be put back? well don’t mind if I scare all do you? *sigh* Wow …just wow

Ex-PH2

So, basically, somewhere in there, Potter began to loom large in his own legend.

Oh, man, in 1986, you could still get gas for less than $1.00 a gallon and a loaf of bread was $.89 instead of $2.69.

MAJMike

Up until the 1990’s, you could go to CGSC via mail order and/or USAR school as an O-3/CPT. That’s how I did it. My understanding is that in-residence CGSC was only for O-4’s or O-5’s.

Also being an LT (O-1 or O-2) in 1978 is reasonable. That’s when I was commissioned. As previously stated, this well could be a guy who served but had a need to create a more stellar career history for himself.

I still don’t understand the need to embellish an honorable career record.

Hondo

FriendofTAH: in the USAR and/or ARNG, a LTC doesn’t get forced out for 2x non-selection to COL. They can stay in until 28 years commissioned service, at which Federal law mandates they be discharged or moved to the retired list.

FriendofTAH

To those who are interested…here is the first part of the 1979 article:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Aul-kAQHnToC&dat=19791024&printsec=frontpage&hl=en