Weekend Open Thread

| June 12, 2020

One of the ultimate goals of “climate policy” is for the government to be able to get more money. (Conservative Thot)

Farfetched? I recently debated someone regarding the Electoral College. He argued that back then, people needed to get on their horses to go to the state capital to vote. But, because of technological advances, we didn’t need to do that… The Electoral College was “no longer needed and was outdated”.  I informed him about the Constitution giving the states the right to vote for President. This individual claimed that he taught the Constitution for 21 years. This is the kind of “blind leading the blind” that you’re dealing with when you present your facts to someone. Enjoy your weekend.

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  1. Roh-Dog says:


    • 5th/77th FA says:

      Congratulations to my Main Man Roh-Dog! All Hail…All Hail! Job well done! Lord long and Prosper Good Sir! T’was a long time coming and well deserved!

      • Roh-Dog says:

        No hails necessary, FA. It is only thought competitions with better Men do we grow.
        I will however take tributes in Georgia’s finest; BBQ, pecan pie, ‘shine, and Her most important commodity, conversation!

        • Combat Historian says:

          Crown passed to you, fellow alumni of the Benning School for Boys. Congratulations and felicitations…

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          So “oh HAIL no!”


        • 5th/77th FA says:

          Was just hanging back like Ewell at G’burg on the evening of the FIRST of July of ’63. Couldn’t didn’t make up my damn mind, besides Gunsmoke was coming on and these are the original 30 minute B&W Episodes and Miss Kitty is s sweet young Ms Thang wearing a lot of corset type tops. She was making that style look good looooong before Madonna came along.

          Tributes? Hey you can have ’em, I gots plenty. No need to put a volley across the beach, we can have a ball, just put some brewskis on ice man, we’ll drive the Maverick down to the club, put a goose with gravy in the cock pot err, crock pit, get right side up and find us some Georgia Peaches that haven’t lost that loving feelin’. There is no danger riding thru my zone.

    • Graybeard says:

      Rats of the Cong, Roh-Dog.

  2. 5th/77th FA says:


  3. Twist says:

    At least this is the closest I’ve gotten to first in forever

  4. Devtun says:

    Present. Harve a great Air Force weekend.

  5. Commissioner Wretched says:

    Again I arrive too late to claim the coveted FIRST … but I see it is in capable hands, so I willingly applaud Roh-Dog’s achievement. In honor, I offer this week’s trivia column!

    What was the Soviet reaction to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy?
    By Commissioner Wretched

    Last week I told you about a special celebration, the 45th anniversary of my high school graduation.

    That made me feel great … and somewhat old.

    Want to hear something that will make me feel even older?

    In two weeks, I will observe the 44th anniversary of the first time I did a radio show.

    It was June 21st, 1976. I was 17 years old.

    And for the first time in my life, I was going to get paid to do what I do best … talk.

    I got to play some pretty good music, too, in between sessions of talking.

    Was I any good? On my first show, at 17? No, of course not. There was an awful lot I could improve upon, and over the course of the next few years I did so.

    I suppose I did fine, because here we are, 44 years later, and I’m still on the air, albeit part-time. In the same town. At the only other radio station, where I went in 1977 and they still haven’t found a decent reason to get rid of me.

    That’s my trivia. Here’s yours!

    Did you know …

    … over 550 hot dogs are eaten every second in the United States? (That, my friends, is a lot of baseball games, isn’t it? Or it would be, anyway, if we were playing.)

    … stress does not turn your hair gray? It can, however, make it turn loose. Stress can cause hair loss, and the first signs of it may not turn up until up to three months after a stressful event. (In my case, it was a running battle for years – was my hair going to turn gray, or turn loose? Loose lost.)

    … the ancient Romans had a god of mildew? Robigus was that god, and every April 25th was his “special day” in Rome. A procession would travel through the streets of the city to the sacred grove of Robigus, and there a red puppy would be sacrificed. The idea was to appease the god of mildew to keep him from harming Rome’s crops. (Imagine being the one put in charge of the annual mildew procession. Oh, the ignominy.)

    … despite its being a “classless” Communist society, North Korea actually divides its people into three social classes? At the top is the “loyal” class, made up of top people in the Communist party and families of war heroes. Beneath them is the “ordinary” class, which is just about everybody else, and at the bottom is the “disloyal” class. That unfortunate group is made up of relatives of people who sided with the Japanese during World War II or the families of those who have escaped from North Korea. It’s the “disloyal” group that does the work in mines or on farms. (It’s never a good idea to let the “disloyal” group be in charge of growing your food, you know.)

    … a Soviet premier had a very emotional reaction to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy? Nikita Khrushchev (1894-1971) was awakened from a nap with the news, and he became very emotionally upset by the death of Kennedy (1917-1963). Khrushchev’s son said his father literally fell to his knees and wept after hearing of the assassination. Khrushchev feared that a new president would greatly increase the chance of nuclear war, which he realized would devastate not only the USSR but the world. Also, despite his rhetoric, Khrushchev actually liked Kennedy and felt he could work with him.

    … by law, all residents of the state of Kentucky must take a bath at least once a year? (The next thing you know, they’ll be legislating common sense.)

    … there is only one temperature where the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales match? -40˚ Fahrenheit is the same temperature as -40˚ Celsius. (I don’t care which scale you use, that’s just plain cold.)

    … the deepest hole ever drilled stretched down 7.6 miles? The Kola Superdeep Borehole in Siberia took 20 years to drill, and the whole thing had to be stopped at that depth because the temperature of the Earth that far down was 356˚ – too hot for the equipment to continue. (So I guess the rumors that they’d awakened something sleeping down there weren’t true, eh?)

    … cats rub their faces against objects in order to claim them as their territory? They have special glands in their faces that produce the scent, which warns other cats to stay away. If a cat rubs its face on your face, it has a special meaning – you’ve been accepted as a member of that cat’s family. (Which, as we cat lovers know, is far more important than us accepting the cat as a member of our family.)

    … people in South Africa eat termites as snacks? They’re roasted and eaten by the handful, kind of like popcorn. (Yuck.)

    … there is a species of insect that is born pregnant? Aphids, the tiny little critters that can be found on many plants, are born pregnant and can give birth within a week of being born themselves. In large numbers, aphids can do serious damage to crops. (Being born pregnant is quite the timesaver, though.)

    … New Zealand has its own version of Bigfoot? There, they call it the Moehau, and it’s a little less stand-offish than the North American version. The Moehau is known for stabbing victims with a long, bony finger, where the North American sasquatch is most likely to run away and hide from people. (All things being equal, I think I prefer our Bigfoot over their Moehau. Of course, neither may actually exist, but given the choice, maybe Bigfoot is nicer.)

    … the first chocolate bar in the world was made in 1842? It was created by the English candy company Cadbury. (And the rest is history. Wonderful, delicious, calorie-filled history.)

    Now … you know!

    • SFC D says:

      But is North Korea truly communist? 😉

      • Combat Historian says:

        Was the Soviet Union truly communist?

        Was ANY nation truly communist according to the theoretical standards dictated by a certain verbose denizen of these woods?

        • 5th/77th FA says:

          CW, another fine selection and our Thanks for this weekly offerings. Due to the risk of incurring the wrath and/or chastisement of the Lionesses of TAH I will make no mention of the rubbing of a kitty kat across my face. ‘Specially using a term associated with certain types of willow trees…or kitty kats. I know, Imma bad dog, no biscuit, and I will punish myself by imbibing some medicinal alcohol and a cheap seegar. Kay, Smokey (rescued Russian Blues), and Sassy (a rescued orange tabby) rule the roost and tolerate the K9 furbabies.

          Most probably heard you on the air back in the 80s and early 90s. Winding my way thru the footie hills the big towns stations would die out once I crossed the River at Double Bridges and slid on across to the old “C” Springs road. That is a real nice, long and winding road that I always wanted to take my Red Line on. Hadn’t made that run since about 1996.

        • SFC D says:

          Just baiting the trap, CH!

    • thebesig says:

      Originally posted by Commissioner Wretched:

      … the ancient Romans had a god of mildew? Robigus was that god, and every April 25th was his “special day” in Rome.

      The ancient Romans, in addition to the other ancient cultures, has a deity for almost anything. Every emotion that we have was represented by a deity. They had a deity that represented different parts of a home, street, city, etc.

    • thebesig says:

      All things being equal, I think I prefer our Bigfoot over their Moehau.

      This might change your mind:

  6. Sapper3307 says:

    I feels first,,might be the liquor talking.

    • SFC D says:

      Stupid fucker would’ve lost his mind in the Signal Corps. Lightning bolts everywhere, oh shit I’m a nazi!

      Eat a dick, Mikey.

      • rgr1480 says:

        I don’t believe people at the USMC Scout Sniper school didn’t recognize ᛋᛋ as the double sig-rune of the SS.

        No way you can convince me he didn’t know.

        Cool symbol, as is the totenkopf … but one just cannot justify using it.

        • Mason says:

          Agree. Even if one guy didn’t know, having it on full display anytime you’re not in uniform, you’d get some weird looks and conversation from it. Like he never wondered why so many neo-Nazis seemed to suddenly become his buddies.

  7. A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

    Umpteenth and Honorary First once again.


  8. USAF Ret says:

    Just came from the Funeral for a person who was on the USS Nathanael Greene (SSBN-636). He made his last drive; may he now rise to be with savior.

    Not all valor is stolen.

  9. Hey whinesteen, if you are offended by lightening bolts, then get your power company to kill the juice in your residence to prevent electrical arcing and if you have floor rugs, get rid of them since you can get a lightening bolt from your finger if you walk across the rug and ground your finger on a piece of metal because lightening bolts are what is called static electricity which is the same thing that you see during an electrical storm. After I broke my heel in a rope slide during drill, I went from ladder 2 to a support company which took care of utilities and had light towers to provide lighting when we had incidents and fires. Our embroided cap had 233 across it plus two lightening bolts through the 233. Never had a complaint about the cap so whinesteen WTF is your problem???

  10. Graybeard says:

    FIRST in the hearts and minds of my kids and grandkids!

    Today was car maintenance day. Playing shade-tree grease monkey a bit.

    Fairly cool in the GB Compound AO last couple of nights, slept with windows open and a light blanket up.

    Had to send off a old Buck pocketknife for repairs a week or so ago. 82nd Airborne brother had given his groomsmen (including y’rs truly) a 3-bladed Buck pocketknife at his wedding some 25-ish years ago, with our initials stamped on them. I was skinning a squirrel and realized that the main blade was wiggling side-to-side. So, I thought I’d see if it could be repaired.
    It couldn’t so they sent it back to me plus a replacement. Comparing the knife I’ve carried daily for 25 years with the new one – yeah, there’s been some wear on the scales.
    Gonna take some getting used to with the replacement knife, but at least it comes almost as sharp as the old one was.
    Plus they gave me a coupon for 25% off another knife. Not too bad a deal.

    Y’all have a safe weekend, I’ll meet you at the churchhouse Sunday.

  11. Mason says:

    So what’s life like in Seattle’s new CHAZ? According to this guy, it’s great! All those calls about violent crime, the videos we’ve seen of violence, and the reports of other nefarious activities are all wrong. It’s just right wing media talking points.


    It’s really chill in the violent insurrectionist paradise.

    Also, every time I see pictures of one of the community guardians they’re kitted out with an AR and boogaloo gear. Far more militaristic than anything a uniformed police force looks like.

  12. ChipNASA says:

    Hey Friday Freaks.
    Not first but not last!
    Whoo Hoooo!
    Hope all is well. On some nice drugs, (much to my Rehab folks angst and chagrin) but working on chiropractic and physical therapy as well. Making some progress is the important thing.
    Hope everyone is doing well. I’m not posting because I’m not stuck behind the computer screen like I am at work like I am at home office in the dining room, PLUS I have to commute to the doctor and to pick up the kids and drop them off different days. I get to TAH as I can and an at least a few days behind on reading the threads.
    Bear with me. Lurking kinda.
    Hugs and kisses to all of you.

    • 5th/77th FA says:

      Chipster!!! We’ll bear with you, but don’t you get bare or physical with your therapist. And stay away from the brown meds.

      Say hello to the Rocket Men for us. And yes, I am a member of that organization that puts out that publication that featured your happy azz. Always good to know whose picture one is lining the cat litter box with! 😆 😆

  13. 5th/77th FA says:

    thebesig, guess somebody needs to step up and make a comment on the subject of the WOT. Still scratching my watch and winding my azz trying to figure out if it’s Climate Change, the Electoral College, or debating so here goes my take.

    I’ve yet to be able to wrap my head around how giving the gubmint more of my money is going to affect the climate. “Just keep stacking your money up citizen, we’ll tell you when we’ve taken you for enough.”

    The Electoral College; The only thing that has kept a coupla 3 states from dictating to the rest of the Country who will become President.

    Debating skilz? I have wiped the blood off of my screen after you have torn the spapos seagull a new one. Keep it up! I laff and laff.

  14. I just saw that some advertisers being PC are pulling their advertising from Tucker Carlsons show because he talked about blm and the ex jail bird 4 time loser.

  15. NHSparky says:

    Well, here’s hoping the reopening lasts, despite the best efforts of the MSM to shut it down.

  16. Combat Historian says:

    Well well well. Irony of ironies. The new warlord of Seattle CHAZ is now in trouble with the Wokerati. A bunch of Raz Simone’s old Twitter texts have been unearthed that are violently homophobic. The Duke of CHAZ claimed he was hacked, but the forensic evidence shows otherwise. The whitey wokerati is now up in arms and threatening to cancel and deplatform him, but the Duke and his underlings have AKs and beaucoup ammo, so the outcome of this intersectional SJW cage match is problematical and uncertain as of now. And all of this coming out during Gay Pride Month, no less…shame shame…


    • The Other Whitey says:

      Pooh, you hit ‘em with the dreaded “P” word! You’re not supposed to call them what they call us!

  17. SFC D says:

    I was watching a DC-10 tanker doing laps between here and Tucson today, and it made me wonder just how effective an aerial tanker could be for riot control… Maybe not DC-10 size… maybe something like a Canadair CL-215. 1440 gallons @ 8.34 lbs per gallon = one serious douching.

    • The Other Whitey says:

      Speaking from experience, that DC-10 sucks balls as an airtanker. Too big, too unwieldy, can’t share airspace with other tankers, can’t safely drop near ground personnel, and can’t safely get low enough for effective retardant coverage in anything but pancake-flat terrain. Give me an S-2T or a P-3 Orion any day.

      I imagine it could probably pull off aerial delivery of mace, pepper spray, or CS well enough, though.

      • SFC D says:

        From my non-firefighter perspective, I had the same thoughts. It’s impressive as hell, but didn’t look all that effective in the Catalinas.

      • Mason says:

        They actually use the DC-10 as a fire tanker? I thought all the fire platforms were smaller for the reasons you outline.

        • The Other Whitey says:

          The media loves the goddamn thing, because bigger MUST be better, right? The politicians love it because the media loves it. And it just getting the damn thing wheels-up costs more than a full day of operations for our entire fleet of S-2s, OV-10s, and Hueys.

          They almost crashed it when the wingtip clipped a pine tree on the Sawtooth Fire back in ‘06. The official story was that it’s such a great aircraft that the flight characteristics were unaffected and the pilot’s didn’t even notice anything wrong. According to my sister, who was running a retardant mix plant at the airbase and witnessed the emergency landing, the left aileron was hanging by one hinge/actuator/whatever, and the pilot came out of the hatch, immediately dropped prone, and kissed the tarmac.

      • Roh-Dog says:

        “I imagine [a DC-10] could probably pull off aerial delivery of mace, pepper spray, or CS well enough, though.”

        Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
        He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
        He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
        His truth is marching on!

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Soapy water

      They cant stand the stuff. Doesn’t harm normals.

      • SFC D says:

        Works on Africanized honey bees too. Can I still say that?

        • Mason says:

          African-Americanized. They didn’t become truly violent until they were subjected to the systemic racism in the US.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          I was thinking “hippies”. The communist and violent subset of sixties-style hippies are the creatures running the current madness and riots.

          “Color” or a continent has nothing to do with it. Legitimate gripes about racist dingleberry behavior got hijacked by the usual communist “violent overthrow of the US government” ass-hattery.

          The related idiots all seem to have a disdain for bourgeois soap and it’s proper application.

          They, and we, are all human to me. Thus none can escape accountability for choices.

          No one lacks choice. No one lacks responsibility.

  18. The Other Whitey says:

    My newest project:


    The first and last time I will ever build an LVTP-5. Fuck that suspension and all 36 of its roadwheels! On the upside, I figured out a way to mix some stuff to produce some reasonably-Vietnamese-looking caked mud on the lower hull. Gonna try to do some clumped mud as well, but that’s pending further assembly.

    • 5th/77th FA says:

      Very intricate and could see how that would be a major PIA. Looking good and enjoy the progress that you show. Lot of us were patiently waiting for this week’s shot. Heads up tip. While scrolling thru the pics, I got past your stuff into the Centoroa(?)ouem(?) cosplay(?) whatevers. Some of them should have a PG17 stamped on them. My Lady Friend had ask me what I was looking at just before I clicked for the next print of yours(?); I told her, “A project that one of the guys is working on.” When I clicked the arrow for next and the cosplay Ms Thang Centaur showed up with mammary glands spilling out everywhere she said, “Nice project.” Had to ‘splain that the project was the military stuff. “Sure Baby, whatever you say.” Hitting the backup arrow did my no good at all, had to just click out completely and get back into TAH and the Open Thread.

      • The Other Whitey says:

        In fairness, it does say *Deviant* Art right in the website’s name, but there are some on there who definitely take it way too literally!

  19. thebesig says:

    Thirty seconds shows why Biden has a good chance of getting brutally hammered on the campaign trail:

  20. thebesig says:

    “The Swamp Strikes Back”. John Bolton book argues President Trump’s “impeachable offenses” in the foreign policy arena. Simon & Schuster put out a press release related to the book:

    What Bolton saw astonished him: a president for whom getting reelected was the only thing that mattered, even if it meant endangering or weakening the nation. “I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn’t driven by reelection calculations,” he writes. In fact, he argues that the House committed impeachment malpractice by keeping their prosecution focused narrowly on Ukraine when Trump’s Ukraine-like transgressions existed across the full range of his foreign policy—and Bolton documents exactly what those were, and attempts by him and others in the Administration to raise alarms about them.


    • SFC D says:

      “I am hard-pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn’t driven by reelection calculations.”

      I’m pretty sure that statement could be applied to just about any first-term President.

  21. MarineDad61 says:

    Active duty E-9 CSM convicted of Stolen Valor.

    LAWTON, Okla. — A command sergeant major at Fort Sill
    has been convicted of wearing unauthorized military insignia,
    including a Ranger Tab and the Pathfinder Badge.

    Command Sgt. Maj. Perry McNeill was convicted last week by a military judge
    who sentenced McNeill to a demotion to sergeant first class,
    a letter of reprimand and
    to forfeit $500 in pay per month for 10 months.


    • Mason says:

      Just a tad old. That story is five years old.

      We even talked about it here; https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=59142

      • thebesig says:

        MarineDad61 and you did the equivalent of a “Blast from the Past” post. We used to do that, recycle old stolen valor posts.

        Given the trend of postings here, and the dearth of fresh new stolen valor posts, old post reminders like this helps add to the mix. Thanks to both of you. :mrgreen:

    • rgr769 says:

      Great result. There is nothing worse than an active duty valor thief. They have to be extremely brazen nowadays to attempt it because there are personnel clerks that have access to their records, which are all digital. It’s not like the olden days of Richard Cayton where one could add crap to the paper 201 file everyone hand carried from PCS to PCS assignments.

    • thebesig says:

      Thanks. Keep the links rolling in. :mrgreen:

  22. thebesig says:

    People have been disregarding the social distancing guidelines even during the lock down. Even when you open states, you’re going to have a temporary rise before a new drop off.

    My state did that. After it went to phase one in the middle of May, cases went up, but slightly. We’re in phase two right now, and our rolling 7 day average is showing that the pandemic is receding faster than it came. I’m seeing similar numbers with other states.

    With most of the states, and with the US in general, the pandemic is showing signs of receding. I’ve been following websites that track these per state and per nation.

    There is a lot of good news, but that’s being ignored in favor of the left being able to attack President Trump’s efforts.


    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Yup. WuFlu season is ending. The “murder hornets” were a flop and the commies blew their timing.

      Hm. About due for some dire “food/drug safety” problems or infrastructure sabotage.

      • Combat Historian says:

        I’m waiting for King Ghidra to make an appearance over Seattle, and then Godzilla, Mothra, and Rodan will have to fight him on the summit of Mount Rainier…

  23. 11B-Mailclerk says:

    Some good advice for the Peoples Democratic Enclave of Moonbat, formerly Seattle.


    An expert on such things, speaks.

    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

      Is Larsie there helping them “get it right”?

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Beets, huh? That explains borscht.

      Well, maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll start cannabalizing each other, as happened in China during Mao’s Great Asswise Pratfall.

      Of course, the way to get rid of them is to send them a horrendous water bill that they can’t pay and cut off the water and/or other utilities when they can’t pay.

      Should I do the “early snow weather” chant and dance for that area? I don’t think they’ll last long without real heat. And early blizzard out of the northwest, howling down from Alaska’s most open areas, e.g., that archipelago called the Aleutians. We’re heading toward a Dalton Minimum which will start to get serious right around the time these dimwits hit their 70s (if they last that long), and it won’t be pretty.

      I would love to live long enough to see what happens to them by that time. If The Doctor would just show up with the Tardis….

  24. thebesig says:

    In light of the demonstrations and riots, as well as with other factors, Biden may be receiving advice to pick a black female running mate.

    Kamala Harris is one of those that would be considered:


  25. thebesig says:

    The Chinese Communist Party trying to contain another coronavirus outbreak:


  26. MarineDad61 says:


    GEORGE TEAL of Castle Rock, Colorado,
    a candidate for Douglas County Commissioner,
    has already been exposed as a lying phony
    Desert Storm TIMES Veteran.
    (Much like 1 of our favorites, Les Brown of Elko, Nevada).
    His VFW membership has been TERMINATED by Colorado & National.

    It got WORSE last night.
    Instead of coming clean, telling the truth, or apologizing,
    George Teal has just posted a corroboration, a testimonial,
    by a “Special Forces Green Beret” named Jay Ledbetter,
    a local attorney in his town.

    The claims are incredible, and defy logic.
    In addition, a PDF file contradicting this NEW story
    is already out there,
    a higher headquarters after action report on reserve units,
    stating that Teal’s unit was NEVER in combat training,
    NEVER scheduled to deploy to the Middle East,
    and was ALWAYS slated for “Security Detail” in GERMANY.
    (As many were, like Les Brown’s unit.)

    Can someone with expedient Green Beret verification skills
    or personal contact with GGB
    get to the bottom of Special Forces Green Beret (?) Jay Ledbetter,

    Seriously, WHY would a legit Green Beret LIE
    for a known lying Desert Storm Times Veteran?

    The election concludes in 6 days, on Friday, June 19.
    The opponent is Clint Dorris, a
    a legit helicopter war veteran with a Bronze Star.

    HERE is the Ledbetter testimonial link:

    George Teal – a man of courage, integrity and honor:

    Let me tell you first-hand of George’s military service. First of all, he is a legitimate Desert Storm wartime veteran who served with distinction.

    I first met George during my assignment as an Rifle Platoon Leader with the 87th Infantry. His paratrooper wings already showed he was not any ordinary soldier. By the time I was on staff in battalion headquarters, I had seen George perform for some time. It was clear to me he was top-rung.

    During Desert Storm, we were one of the first units called-up. We were told we would first deploy to a forward staging area, then would move to the front after the first few days of combat decimated those forces. The Pentagon prepositioned us in Germany, where we could quickly board transports, and be at the front in hours. We were ready for combat, prepared to move forward on short notice. Against all predictions, the shooting war was over in a mere 100 hours. Casualties were phenomenally low, and we were not called forward.

    But we were not idle. We were tasked with a counterterrorism mission. Our job was to prevent terrorist infiltration of military facilities. They tried. We always had at least one, and as many as six, working “incidents” on our display board. But never did any of the terrorists get past us. George and his command performed well above what was expected. Our mission was a rousing success.

    George then completed college, graduating as Distinguished Military Graduate, Army ROTC, and was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant. He returned to the 87th as a Rifle Platoon Leader. Now, as a fellow officer, I had even more contact with George. My high opinion of him grew during various other deployments both within and outside the country. His performance as a natural leader impressed me greatly. He was one of the best Platoon Leaders I have ever known. He will continue to serve as an excellent Commissioner.

    H.J. Ledbetter, Esq.

    (H. J. “Jay” Ledbetter is an attorney, practicing in Castle Rock.
    Jay’s service began during Viet Nam.
    After he was discharged from the Air Force in 1972, he earned a Juris Doctor degree. Jay was not satisfied with his contribution to the defense of our nation, and he went back into the military, this time in the Army.
    He was commissioned as an Infantry Officer and earned paratrooper wings.
    While in training at Ft. Benning, he was chosen for assignment as a Special Forces A-team executive officer.
    From that Green Beret assignment, Jay went to 3rd Bn. 87th Infantry Division, where he served as Rifle Platoon Leader, Company Executive Officer, Company Commander, Assistant Battalion Operations Officer, Battalion Intelligence Coordinator, and Battalion Supply Officer.
    While with 3/87, Jay deployed a number of times during peacetime and wartime.
    After leaving the 87th, Jay served as Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Training in the headquarters of a logistics command. Jay developed the Army’s Special Weapons and Training course and served as its instructor for many years. Jay has trained many special operations forces in a variety of skills.
    Jay’s final assignment was as Deputy Chief of Ground Operations for Special Operations Command, Joint Forces Command.
    This is a position that is granted only by special invitation of the commanding four-star general, upon endorsement by a senior officer trusted by that general.
    Once at that command, the Chief of Ground Ops was taken to the Planning and Future Operations cell, and Jay became the acting Chief for ground operations. Jay was responsible for ground operations covering a continent.
    At the height of operations, there were 18 special operations teams, including SF A-teams, SEAL teams, and British SAS. Also in his area of responsibility were the 82nd Airborne Div, and the 75th Rangers. Jay is active in Republican politics and has worked on a number of campaigns. In Arapahoe County, Jay has served as a Precinct Leader, District Captain, County GOP Secretary, and Vice Chairman. Jay today serves the Arapahoe County GOP as its Parliamentarian.)
    (End Paste)

    Thanks for your assistance.
    I don’t care about the politics in Colorado,
    but a Les Brown type beating a Bronze Star combat veteran,
    is just wrong. So wrong. So very wrong.

    • rgr769 says:

      Well as a fully qualified Special Forces Officer and as a former ODA commander of two SF “A” teams, there is no way this lawer was selected to be an A team XO at Ft. Benning. He would first have to complete/graduate the Special Forces Officer Course at Ft. Bragg which back then was 12 weeks in duration. Then he would have to be assigned to one of the Special Forces groups. Many officers attended that course, including foreign officers, who were never assigned to any Special Forces group. We need to see FOIA on both these clowns.

      • MarineDad61 says:

        Good evening, rgr769
        Can Guardians of the Green Beret be contacted about this?
        The FOIA on George Teal isn’t that important now,
        since he’s already been vetted by the VFW as never in war zone,
        and never VFW eligible…
        MP and VG finds this story of possible double phonies compelling,
        much like Jowers and Foley, but different,
        with 1 good vet and 1 soiled vet against each other,
        with the 1 soiled vet getting false witness support
        from a 2nd soiled vet friend.


        • rgr769 says:

          Some of the Admins here likely know how to contact them. It is also likely on the GGB website. I just looked at this joker’s bio on his lawfirm website. He must have written it himself, as he is one of the partners. It claims he served in an Air Force special operations team that went into Cambodia, Laos, and North Vietnam to rescue POWs. Those operations on the ground were exclusively perfomed by personnel (all Army SF except for a few SEALs) in MACVSOG. They were known as Bright Light missions. In my opinion, this lawer is full of it. There were USAF Jolly crews flying out of Thailand to rescue downed pilots in those countries, but they didn’t conduct operations to rescue POW’s. There are several chapters on Bright Light ops in MAJ John Plaster’s excellent book on the history of MACVSOG; none of them mention USAF personnel in POW recovery operations, except for the Jolly crews flying the SOG teams in for the Son Tay Raid into North Vietnam.

          I might also add that according to Wikipedia the 3d Bn/87th Infantry is a U.S. Army Reserve unit headquartered at Ft. Carson, CO. I find it difficult to believe ol’ Jay did all the things claimed in the Book of Face write-up as a Reserve Officer, especially while still operating a law practice. I bet Jay can’t even tell you where SOCOM is sited without looking it up.

    • thebesig says:

      Thanks for the heads up. I pushed this out to those who would be able to check up on this.

      • MarineDad61 says:

        Thank you. Sincerely.
        See below..
        I’m a bit slow on the internet the next few days.

  27. MarineDad61 says:

    Update – Election ends on June 30,
    NOT June 19.
    Mail in ballots sent out on June 8.
    Expedience is important on this one.
    Thank you.

    • rgr769 says:

      You can contact Guardians of the Green Beret on their website. Upper right corner is a contact link, but you have to have Windows ten Outlook email on your computer. I don’t care to configure my email to Outlook for Windows 10, and I don’t have that as my operating system, anyway.

      • rgr769 says:

        I note that on the GGB site they want URL links to fakebook pages and any other written material where the person claims to be special forces. I would recommend you include the link to Jay’s law firm’s website.

        • MarineDad61 says:

          Thanks for the replies.
          I’m currently 1,250 miles from home,
          on my laptop with Ubuntu 18,
          and departing on the trip home tomorrow morning (3 days).
          I’m a bit hobbled online until Wednesday,
          and was hoping I dropped enough of a clear mayday,
          that anyone else could carry this ball to GGB.
          Thanks, again.

  28. thebesig says:

    An African American man tries to resist arrest. He ends up getting shot. This took place near Wendy’s. This Wendy’s establishment gets burned down.

    Yes, punish society for holding wrong dowing accountable:


  29. thebesig says:

    The US Embassy in South Korea displayed a Black Lives Matter banner:

  30. thebesig says:

    Michael Moore claims that white men are angry at the cop that killed George Floyd… Because his actions resulted in events that threaten white power grip.

  31. thebesig says:

    A group called “Republican Voters against Trump” aired an aid featuring old statements that Senator Lindsey Graham made against then Candidate Donald Trump. Are these guys RINOs, or leftists masquerading around as “Republicans”?


    • rgr769 says:

      Someone with strong research skills should look onto the background of the people behind this bogus group. I bet most of them have only recently become Republicans, if at all. Looks like a false flag op to me.