Nancy Pelosi Wore Black to Impeachment Vote
Using the foot as a shooting target. Nancy Pelosi as the swamp mistress. (The New York Post)
The New York Post provides a refresher of the chain of events that led to the impeachment of President Trump. As you guys have pointed out, the calls for President Trump’s impeachment began not too long after he won the election in 2016.
First, we had the illegal surveillance based on false premises. There were claims of entrapment, and then the issue of the false dossier. Then, in 2017, building on arguments of a “Russian Collusion”, Robert Mueller was given the job to sniff out this “collusion”.
During the investigation, those that opposed President Trump were sure that Robert Mueller would find a smoking gun. Certainly, Robert Mueller would turn something up that would result in President Trump’s goose being cooked. This occurred during the duration of the investigation.
However, the investigation concluded and Robert Mueller testified in Congress. The Democrats did not get their hands on any smoking guns.
Throughout this time, the Democrats were in a frenzy, looking for ways that would lead to President Trump’s removal. The calls for impeachment kept growing. When the Democrats gained control of both houses, possibly with help of the news related to the Russian investigation, the new leadership “called for caution”.
Even as far back in 2006, when the Democrats won control of both chambers, there was impeachment fantasy. But, level heads prevailed in both chambers. Different realities exist in 2019.
One of the realities? The new Democrats, many of whom were more leftist than the more seasoned Democrats. Some of them were not willing to take prisoners. Even those Democrats, representing districts that President Trump won, voted to impeach him.
This frenzy does not just exist at the politician level. There were people who thought that the impeachment vote “ended” President Trump’s presidency.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, this helps the Republicans in the long run. Once this enters the Senate, and the trial gets underway, things are looking to blow up on the Democrat’s faces. With all other things being equal, this bolsters President Trump’s chances of reelection next year.
Perhaps the real reason why she wants to sit on these articles of impeachment pending “fair trial assurance” from the Senate. If what she had just presided over is what she defines as a “fair trial”, she may be gambling on the hopes that the Senate continues in that tradition.
A real Senate trial would actually harm the Democrat position while acquitting President Trump. Nancy Pelosi had her reasons for wearing black. Looking at the effects that the impeachment is going to have on the Democrats, black may have been the appropriate color to wear.
One of the tragedies of this process is the lost opportunities to get legislation passed that could’ve been passed. That time should’ve been spent “working for the people”. Michael Goodwin of the New York Post provides a good summary here.
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She made a real Fascist statement with that outfit.
Talk about reaching. Textbook motivated reasoning.
Says the guy who believes the “OK” hand gesture is a white supremacy signal.
Before the term white supremacy came up, we used to make the letter O with the thumb and first finger and the last three fingers, pinkey pressed against it’s neighbor came out like the letter A which meant everything is/was
A Okay.
Black, silver, eagle.
Nah, no historical “Fascist” stuff there, you humorless idiot.
She’d make ol’ Benito a happy, happy man…
Was it “overfilled” like the red rig she had on one day last week?
Gal seems to be putting on the beans.
She looks frozen-faced.
The articles of impeachment are contained in a single document. It is public knowledge. There is no secret to it. If/when the House sends it to the Senate it it simply a formality. Withholding it does not support Pelosi’s agenda of ‘get rid of Trump!!’
This is not a good idea. She should have followed protocol, but did not. The longer she sits on this thing, the more ridiculous she appears.
The entire notion that a prosecutor will not try a defendant indicted for “high crimes and misdemeanors” while waiting for the guarantee of a “fair” trial is 100% antithetical to the 6th Amendment. Trump, although President, is still an American citizen, and as such, still enjoys basic Civil Rights enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Her actions are not an attack on Trump as much as they are an attack on us all AND The Constitution that many of us (including Madame Speaker) have sworn to uphold and defend.
The house impeachment process is the equivalent velsnt of a grand jury investigation/indictment. Trump was given more due process than any president in history during this process.
In fact they originally followed REPUBLICAN passed rules for the process then EXPANDED Trump’s due process rights when the GOP whined that the rules a REPUBLICAN MAJORITY PASSED were unfair. Despite the fact that republicans operated under these rules while conducting oversight investigations of the Obama administration.
And during a normal grand jury the defense is not even present, can’t call witnesses, has no lawyer present, can’t testify, and the entire proceeding is done in secret.
Trump was invited to testify, he was informed of all witnesses, his party was invited to all proceedings, republicans were allowed equal time to ask questions…
Trump refused to cooperate, and attempted to block all witnesses, and he abused his office by ordering all federal employees under the executive branch to refuse to cooperate in all proceedings.
And nothing of which you wrote refutes my point AS TO whom the right to a fair (and speedy) trial is afforded TO.
Choose one, dipshit:
A.) The prosecutor.
B.) The defendant.
You have a 50% chance of getting it wrong. Don’t disappoint us.
Commissar is STUPID enough to get fired from a blowjob!
According to Commissar’s rules, you lose you rights in you are ORANGE. MAN. BAD.
And your screed has exactly what to do with GDC’s post? As you said, the house has basically handed down an indictment. You don’t have to be Perry Fuckin’ Mason to understand that not continuing to the next step is petty and ridiculous. Not to mention a waste of time, effort, and money. It’s kabuki theater and never served any purpose other than Hillary lost and the Dems are still butthurt.
” attempted to block all witnesses, and he abused his office by ordering all federal employees under the executive branch to refuse to cooperate in all proceedings.”
Sorry Lars, as usual you are about as wrong as you can be. You really need to learn how to think for yourself, and not just regurgitate leftist talking points..Trump ordered employees not to cooperate UNTIL they had received actual subpoenas (not just “requests to appear”), and those subpoenas had been challenged in court (totally legal and appropriate, no matter how much Schiff and the left complain).. so again, PLEASE educate yourself before running your suck, stop eating lead paint chips and huffing glue, you really can’t spare the brain cells…
Trump was not given even the same level of due process as in past impeachment inquiries. So your entire statement is based on a falsehood.
Republicans were routinely interrupted by Schiff who then directed witnesses not to answer questions. How on Earth is that fair and “equal time?”
Lastly, executive privilege. It was used by the previous occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania to cover up how the administration had deliberately allowed illegally purchased firearms to cross into Mexico, into the hands of the cartels, and resulted in the death of a Border Patrol Agent. Those are actual crimes, not some fantasy that there’s a crime in a phone call between two national leaders.
Yeahhhh we’re still just a bit pissed about that whole “fast and furious” cockup down here on the border. Brian A. Terry was killed by Obama and Holder. They’ll never be held accountable. “Scandal free” administration, my ass.
“The house impeachment process is the equivalent velsnt of a grand jury investigation/indictment. ”
That first sentence is the only truth you have posted so far.
After that you once again devolve into insanity…..like your Libtard DildoCrat heroes.
You know little commie. The defendant is not obliged to nor can they be coerced to cooperate in a criminal proceeding. And the impeachment has no relationship to a grand jury proceeding. And what he did was perfectly legal or the socialist dems would have made much more noise about it. Suck it, clown, he is still the president.
Those believe Trump did nothing wrong are being conned by an immoral grifter…
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
Back At You, Commissar.
I read the article you posted.
Now it is your turn to read this article:
“Christianity Todays Call For Trumps Removal Does Not Speak For Most Evangelical Christans”:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/christianity-todays-call-for-trumps-removal-does-not-speak-for-most-evangelical-christians
BTW, Commissar, check out what Billy Grahams’ Son said:
“Franklin Graham Slams Christianity Today For Invoking Father’s Name In Call For Trump’s Removal”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-graham-christianity-today-remove-billy-franklin-impeach
So after all of the investigation-ing and all of the secret hearings and all of the digging and anal probulation, the BEST that the Democratically held house could come up with was abuse of power and obstructing congress? If there were more slam dunk charges, don’t you suppose they would have included them?
Think about it. After everything: that’s it.
That hardly speaks to a Don of a vast criminal enterprise. On the contrary, that’s probably cleaner than most presidents.
Since obstructing congress is the actual function of the other two branches of government, I won’t even address that silliness. [If you were to lie under oath or something (or suborned perjury like was mentioned in some other impeachments I could mention), that would be something for which you could consider impeachment (like some other impeachments I could mention).]
As for abuse of power, you are going to have to draw me a map to that one. Asking a foreign power to see if someone who could be potentially be a candidate for the next president is beholden to another country seems like something that is in the country’s interest. It just happened to be said in a way that the President’s opponents could latch on to as nefarious. Perhaps if he had been a smooth as Obama as he leaned over and whispered to the president of Russia that he would be able to sell out our Eastern European allies once reelcted so Putin should not go so hard on him before the election, maybe then the press would have thought that was a great move. I’m not saying that was impeachable, just as an example that the President as plenary powers when it comes to foreign relations.
If you don’t like it,
then
elect
a new
President. . . .
I did.
Nothingburger, again. All that supposed stuff, and we get two dribbles of notmuch, and she fails to deliver them to the Senate.
So no real impeachment. Meanwhile, all her lunatics think Trump has been impeached. Well, no Articles to the Senate, no impeachment.
She just buggered her own side. Look at our own Seagull’s triumphant screed, missing the whole “has to go to the Senate to count” part. The trial part isn’t optional, or subject to House veto.
McConnell should just proceed as if she had. If she says “No, we didn’t”, she is done, politically. She has to admit she scammed her own side. If she doesn’t, what can she say to stop it?
Well Franklin Graham
Had a press release
Concerning this article
Maybe you should read it
Before you dance a jig
I bet Lars is jumping up and down while hyperventilating right now!
He’s “massaging” his empiric data…
Read the transcript of the telephone call and show us where, in the transcript, Ukraine was required to investigate the Bidens in exchange for foreign aid:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-phone-call-transcript-text-pdf-1510770
HEY LARS, you know that Nanny Lugosi and Company are already talking about Impeaching VP Mike Pence, right? they have fully exposed their motives for impeachment as little more than a thinly veiled coup, you and your side are SO going to LOSE in November, start stocking up on paper bags for you to hyperventilate into, bitch!
Noah Feldman suggests in an op-ed for Bloomberg that the president is not technically impeached until such time as the charges are submitted to the Senate. It’s an interesting take from Judge Souter’s former clerk and now current Professor of Law at Harvard….
Some decent light reading for a few minutes if you have an interest.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats
“One of the tragedies of this process is the lost opportunities to get legislation passed that could’ve been passed. That time should’ve been spent “working for the people”.”
I’m not so sure this is a problem. Generally, when Congress passes laws, it means some sort of liberty has been chipped away for relative “safety”. Trump has been busy trying to limit government intrusions somewhat (lowering taxes and regulations) but even he has agreed to spending like a drunken airman on Gate Two Street near Kadena. And yes, government spending can be compared pretty well to government intrusion. The tax code is all about our government betters deciding what behaviors to encourage and which are to be discouraged, yes? What is money except a value attached to a slice of your life? I trade a good fraction of my life to my employer in exchange for an electronic transaction which I can turn around and pay my debts (both public and private).
So since the 2018 elections, San Fran Nan has been in charge of the House. There really isn’t anything I think she would agree to that would make me happy as a conservative. So if things must make her (and her base) happy to get passed in the House, there is almost nothing that I can imagine would make me happy that could come out of Congress for the President to sign. Gridlock is ALSO the work of the people. The Founding Fathers were smart mother f*ckers, you know.
I agree. It’s a feature, not a bug.
The Senate was always designed to be as the founders stated “the cooling saucer of the legislature”…
It is one of the problems. The following question captures what the statement, that you quoted, is saying:
Had the impeachment process not been carried out, would the time and effort saved been available for other activities? YES [ ] NO [ ]
Copy and paste this question and yes/no options to your reply, put an “X” in the box that represents your reply, and add no further clarification to your response.
The House could’ve done overtime more often to get other business taken care of, or they could’ve avoided this nonsense and used that time to help get legislation passed that could’ve been passed.
The House signed off on USMCA recently when they could’ve signed off on it months ago. They had other objectives in mind. Lack of gridlock activity on this agreement indicates that legitimate issues could’ve been addressed earlier.
thebesig, I don’t believe for a second that the House would have signed off on USMCA if not for the impeachment fiasco.. the only reason they did was as an attempt to provide cover for those dims in districts that President Trump won after they voted to impeach..
Just my 2cp.. YMMV
This is one thing that they would’ve passed early on. NAFTA was passed with bipartisan support, where both chambers were dominated by Democrats, then signed by then-President Clinton. It went into effect in January of 1994. Despite what has been said against USMCA, it’s provisions are better than NAFTAs.
That great sucking sound you heard when BJ Willie signed NAFTA was jobs/plants leaving the US for Mexico. I personally know of at least 3 manufacturers that I repped for closing down plants in the US and moving that production South of the Border. The Mexico plants were already built, just waiting on his signature.
I agree it’s far better than NAFTA, my comment was not intended to throw shade on USMCA, but rather on the ORANGE MAN BAD derangement of the current left…
As to whether the time was wasted or not. Clear I believe that it was. Are there other things that they could be working on? Yes. I believe debate on the issues would be much more productive for the body politic. So there we agree.
My problem was with this: “lost opportunities to get legislation passed that could’ve been passed”
I have long held the belief that people think that Congress passing legislation means Congress is working. Congress gridlocked means “Washington is broken”. [It IS broken, but gridlock isn’t the problem.]
My ascertion stays the same – anything passed by a Nancy Pelosi led House is not something I am going whole-heartedly support. I would generally consider anything coming out of a Democratically controlled chamber to be detrimental to the cause of Liberty (or I wouldn’t be a conservative). The giant budget bills passed recently are examples.
The USMCA? Not real sure about that one. I don’t know a lot about it, but I know both sides are going to claim a victory. I don’t know enough to comment.
One last thing – hasn’t just one committee (HIC) been working this for most of the time? (Freely admit I could be wrong about that.) The main House debate has just been for a few weeks. The Intel Committee has 22 members. What have the other 413 members been doing? Being on camera bitching about or having to defend (one has to be attacked first to defend) Trump. I don’t think anything more would have been done if there hadn’t been a Shampeachment inquiry.
That statement is inseparable from the statement about time being wasted on the impeachment process. If you have issues with the lost opportunities to pass legislation bit, then you also have issues with the argument that the impeachment took up time to do other activities.
This isn’t a statement about whether Congress is broken or not, or if gridlock is good or not. I was hoping for the later in Virginia. Neither of these was what was being pointed out in the above post.
The fact of the matter is that legislation could’ve been passed, or more could’ve been passed if their efforts were focused on that process rather than on impeachment. Anything coming out of the Democrat-dominated House would have to pass muster in the Republican-dominated Senate and vice versa. Your apprehension about things coming out of a Pelosi lead House would be a concern had the Democrats also dominated the Senate. This isn’t the case now.
Gridlock or not, additional time dedicated to the processes increases the chances that more legislation would’ve been passed that needed to be passed. Even if one committee was working on this, the main focus and effort from the rank and file Democrats was the impeachment process… Directly involved or not.
President Trump kept tweeting about how they could get things passed, but wouldn’t, because they were focused on impeachment. It didn’t matter if a part of the House, or if all of the House, was working on this… The Democratic Party is described as a machine that would leverage all of its members to support a group of its members that are directly involved in a process… In this case, impeachment.
My argument stays the same. Opportunities were lost to pass additional legislation due to this impeachment process.
We have both been writing a whole lot back and forth, but I don’t think we are really disagreeing on much!
🙂
I see the same thing. We are actually on the same side on this argument. On the part of our disagreement, I believe what you are trying to say is that it is a good thing that Nancy Pelosi is not getting her agendas through (I’m with you on that one). It just came out differently though.
President Trump kept tweeting about how they could get things passed, but wouldn’t, because they were focused on impeachment. – thebesig
This is something that may (and probably should) come up when the real campaign season starts -that the Democrats were so focused on (revenge) putting Trump out of business, they didn’t do the job they were “hired” to do. That this nonsense went on for weeks, and seems to have ended just ahead of the coming campaign season should be part of the discussion. While the media will try to bury it (because I do not think this will go any further if the Senate hearings do not take place), it is not the same issues as those facing Nixon or Clinton, and it is a colossal waste of time and money that could have been spent on legislation.
“While the media will try to bury it…” – Ex-PH2
It’s a good thing that a segment of the younger Millennials, and a segment of Generation Z, are ready to crank out the memes keeping this and other topics in view.
I revel in the hypocrisy of idiots like Commissar and their “TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER” when the FBI gets their ass handed to them by a FISA Court Judge for running, what appears to be, an extra-constitutional STASI operation. Fuck you Lars. You’re a hypocrite, still.
To those blithering idiots claiming that President Trump is Hitler, then where are the anti-Semitic decrees? The Concentration Camps?…
AOC says the concentration camps are on the southern border, and Trump locked kids in cages. Funny thing, though. I worked for CBP from 2013 to 2017, and I recall seeing all of that being done prior to the 2016 election.
SFC D, what you just said is what’s commonly referred to as “Facts”.. and AOC and the rest of the left will have NONE of that getting in the way of the narrative.
Facts. Pesky little fuckers, ain’t they?
If Trump was Hitler, we certainly wouldn’t have to read any more of the agitprop from the commie cuttlefish aka Commiesar. He would have been given a one way ride to a bullet pocked wall two years ago.
OR a Pinochet-style helicopter ride!
Quesion for Commissar:
Since you chose to use the Christianity Today article to justify your distaste for President Trump, I have to ask:
Are you a Christian?
Do you study History?
Are you aware Jesus had an illegal trial?
Do you celebrate Christmas?
How is your lifestyle these days, economic wise?
What are you going to do when President Trump is Re-Elected in 2020?
Asking For A Friend.
Yup, the Pharisees and High Priest subjected Jesus to a trial that violated Mosaic Law. What was ironic was that it wasn’t until Jesus was in front of Pontius Pilate, and Herod, that Mosaic Law was abided by… The latter two may or may not have been aware that they were abiding by Mosaic Law.
During this sham of a trial, they brought in sham witnesses whose testimonies were “all over the map”.
As for what would many in the left do when should it be announced that President Trump won reelection? I would not be surprised if we get more than just sad faces and tears… That one, or some, let out an audible, loud, cry… That someone, or some people, “start wailing”.
In this scenario, it would be a double whammy for them on the account that the Democratic candidate would have been defeated by an impeached president.
I’m sure that the left is going to hissy-fit and shit themselves twice as bad when President Trump gets reelected and in the meantime I’m still stocking up on ammo!
As most appropriately mentioned on another thread, this evil scrunt was wearing gestapo black. Only things missing were the lightning bolt collar insignia, the black hobnailed jackboots, swagger stick, and a death’s head SS ring.
Anyone who cannot see the pure evil oozing out of this self centered egotistical scunt has their head so far up their 4th point of contact that if they passed gas they would blow out what few brains they have. Speaking of you, you seagulled poodle. This is a close as I will come to wasting keyboard ribbon ink or bandwidth on YOUR self centered, egotistical, opinionated ass.
“…Only things missing were the lightning bolt collar insignia, the black hobnailed jackboots, swagger stick, and a death’s head SS ring…”
Don’t forget the Nazi Party armband on the upper left sleeve…
Throw in a few medals, silver shoulder knots (or gold knots with a silver background if you want to make her a General), and an SS saucer cap as well. That would complete the picture.
Well, the entire dem party, and leftist movement in general is being bankrolled by the Nazi collaborator Soros, so it does make sense…
That bears repeating as many times as it takes. Soros was an actual Nazi collaborator. Against his own people! Now you’d think that someone who was young at the time and probably didn’t fully grasp what he was doing and would now be remorseful. A normal person yes. Not Soros. He’s unrepentant and shows no remorse for working with the actual Nazis to steal from his fellow Jews.
Which is why every time the MSM labels him a “holocaust survivor” I get more and more enraged at just how partisan they are. He is a survivor in as much as the guards at Auschwitz survived.
I think the WWII term for people like Soros was rat fink.
She wore black, with some silver trim, and an eagle.
Her appearance is a carefully managed thing. So why this seeming major F-up? It wasn’t.
She wanted to show this as a “somber” moment. As if the Democrats “did not want to have to do this” but “the integrity of the Constitution/democracy” has to be upheld.
The “fair trial” that she is demanding from the Senate is not on President Trump’s behalf. It’s on her objective’s behalf, “fair” as in the Democrats get their way “fair”.
Not forwarding the articles of impeachment until her conditions are met is her doing what she is accusing President Trump of doing.
One Congressman has announced the possibility of expunging the Impeachment Vote in a future Congress.
I do read that the House is moving right along on urgent matters relating to the well-being, security, and economic health of the citizenry… and raised the age to buy vaping products to 21. Sure glad we dodged THAT potentially nation-destroying bullet!!! And that they have nothing more important to do.
Oh, good – now we’ll have even more kids under 21 vaping illegally (’cause they got it from a ‘friend’) and while we’re at it, let’s make sure that anyone who wants to get stoned on Mary Jane and drive doesn’t get hammered for causing accidents. It seems that the marijuana business is no longer as booming as people thought it would be. Too many dope dealers now, and not all of us want to be annoyed by that crap.
Vaping teens won’t be blocked from getting their nicotine fix. They’ll get it, period.
I’m gonna say it.
I’m tired of Government dictating my life,i.e. what I can and cannot eat, what I can and cannot drink, what I can and cannot smoke, what I can and cannot do.
I don’t drink alcohol. I don’t smoke. But for God’s sake, quit trying to tell me and others how to live our lives by putting restrictions on items based on age.
If Government is going to do that, then restrict the age to 21 for young people to join the Military. Restrict them from not being able to marry and have children until they are 21. In fact, restrict them for doing anything until they are 21.
Have them continue to live under their parents roof until they are 21. Don’t let them make their own judgment call on ANYTHING in life until they are 21.
What’s next?
Just my own personal opinion.
They cant even get an Impeachment right, botching the process badly. Thus, they have no business trying to run folks real lives.
My 18 year old self would have disagreed with you. At 57, I agree completely.
I couldn’t agree more. Either young people are adults at age 18 or they are not. If they are, then they should enjoy all the rights and liberties of adults. If they aren’t, then raise the age back to 21 for everything and repeal the 26th Amendment.
The Democrats can’t seem to make up their minds. They say that 18 year olds aren’t mature enough to make certain adult decisions, such as smoking or buying a gun. Yet they believe 16 year olds are mature enough to vote.
https://youtu.be/7l8T5CvaLLY
I would like to know what crime, of any kind, Trump is accused of committing. Cuz “abuse of power” isn’t in any law book, like say the United States Code (USC). Nor is obstruction of Congress. Every president obstructs Congress to some degree, like when he vetoes a law they have passed, or when he invokes executive privilege.
He hurt their widdle fweelins AND pissed them off when he appealed to enough sane Americans to vote him into office to prevent dasHitlerbeast, the scrunt macPantsuit, THE bitch of Benghazi from having her turn. And that, Good Sir, is simply not allowed.
Yes, she was definitely the Chosen One of the limousine liberal elites and the Deep Staters. Plus, there were all those Never-Trump RINO cucks who secretly voted for Das Hildabeast, so they could continue in their roles in the fake loyal opposition party.