Gallup: Liberals outnumber conservatives in only 6 states, down from 9

| February 23, 2019

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Having a lazy indoors Saturday, 42 degrees and drizzling outside, and our own Poetrooper sent us this link. Now after the 2016 Electoral landslide the polls all missed I’m a bit jaded with their prognostications, and 2020 is still a ways off.

Be that as it may, here’s a little ray of sunshine from Gallup on a rainy day.

by Paul Bedard
The number of states where liberals outnumber conservatives has dropped more than 30 percent, with just six now in that category: Massachusetts, Hawaii, Vermont, Washington, New York, and New Hampshire.

According to the latest Gallup survey, in every other state but California, where conservatives and liberals split 29 percent to 29 percent, conservatives lead.

Nationally, those who identify themselves conservative hold a nine-point lead.

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Before conservatives start to cheer, Gallup said the gap used to be 21 points and a handful of the state numbers fall in the margin of error.

Read the rest of the article here: Washington Examiner

Maryland demands a recount. Thanks for the link, Poe.

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Ex-PH2

Hmmm… I figure that once Madigan croaks, his grasp on the state legislature of Illinois will be loosened, and things will go back to a more balanced state. Of course, daydreams about the Midwest are common, but at some point, that goat and the billionaire dork in the Governor’s seat will get the boot.

Hey, maybe Illinois could get a piece of that high speed rail line someone was talking about….

Anon Army

If it doesn’t happen soon, it may be too late. The Madigan puppet Pritzker is doing all he can to accelerate the downward spiral of the state. We were circling the drain already…

Madigan, “How long does will it take to turn the entire state into Chitcowgo?”

Pritzker, “Here, hold my sammich and donuts”

NEC338x

Sadly, the problem is systemic and that will favor Madigan’s replacement. All or part of a majority of both State Senate and House districts are within sight of the top of the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower. The few districts that have R’s within this radius tend to be to the left of even downstate D’s.

The only way to change that is changing how the Senate is districted (one per county maybe), which requires a constitutional amendment, which in turn requires the senators and representative to vote against their interests.

AnotherPat

Tucker Carlson did a short, interesting segment about how the Middle Class in Chicago is disappearing:

Ex-PH2

I’m not sure I agree with that, because the source of this doesn’t include annual wages. Very few jobs in Chicago proper are minimum wage. Even waitresses do pretty well. And the source isn’t included in that report, either.

$60,000 is just about the median income for a family of two in the Chicago area. This means that half of Chicago households of two live on less money, half on more. The median for a 1 person household is $53,000, and for a 4 person household it is $76,000.

Property taxes are the biggest bugbear in any city, so IF this report of Carlson’s is based on home ownership, it’s incomplete. Apartment rents in Chicago run around $1,050 to $1,800, depending on size and no. of bedrooms. Apartment building owners raise their rents according to the rise in property taxes and utilities that they pay, never mind maintenance costs.

Again, the basis for the term “middle class” isn’t defined. Is it property ownership, wages only, crime rate? Not defined, so it’s not clear.

AnotherPat

Thank You, Ex-PH2.

Was hoping you would chime in and provide an assessment of this.

Sparks

Thank you AnotherPat. So then, come the Zombie Apocolypse or some other revolution, you don’t want to be pinned up in the blue area between the looters and criminals and the lake. Bodyguards are great I guess if you can afford them but in a really bad situation, they’ll be exiting the AO most Riki tic. The wealthy will be left with nothing to defend themselves except the combination to their safes, at gunpoint.

Ex-PH2

Simplest thing to do, Sparks, is wall-in the cities so that if anyone wants to leave, they have to have an exit permit, and don’t take anything like furniture or money with them.

A Proud Infidel®™️

Forget a Zombie Apocalypse, we have a Dumbshit Apocalypse that has already started.

Commissar

The population of those six states outnumber the population of the rest combined.

The concentration of liberals in cities means that most rural states have more conservatives and there is more rural states than industrial.

That gives conservatives a huge advantage in the senate and the electoral college.

For instance; California has two senators representing the same population of the least populous 22 states which combined has 44 senators.

This is a problem inherent in the constitution that gave low population states disproportionate power. At the time the lowest population state had about 1/14th the population of the most populous. Now the least populous has about 1/75th the population.

The population disparity of the least populous 25 states vs most populous 25 is 30X.

That power vs population disparity will become a major issue in politics in the coming decades.

Carlton G Long

Wrong, Lars. The Constitution is designed so that large urban areas do not enjoy disproportionate power.

Hilary lost, cupcake.

Cameron Kingsley

As they say: “that’s a feature not a bug.”

Commissar

I did not want Hillary to win.

I told you guys that Hillary would be a disaster for progressives and Ttump would be the best thing that happened to the advancement of liberal politics in nearly a century.

I stand by that.

As for “Urban Areas”; no they were worried about high population, predominantly but not exclusively northern industrial states, overriding agrarian Southern states, particularly with respect to slavery.

They knew that high population states would expand federal powers to dictate their will over other states and the livelihood of those in them.

So they set up the senate as a way of creating some parity in power between states regardless of their population and as a way of mitigating tyranny by the majority in with respect to federal power.

At the time most people regarded themselves as citizens of their state first and the country second and thus were very mistrustful of people in other states making decisions for them.

So they gave low population

Commissar

My post got cut off but most wont read it anyway so it us not worth retyping the last part.

rgr769

You can bet your ass, Squidward, I won’t read it. It is nothing more than sour grapes that our Constitution doesn’t allow populous regions in a few high population states to control the government. Without that feature we wouldn’t have a country that has existed for over 200 years. Your crypto-commie blather is not worth reading.

HMC Ret

I read your posts, Commissar, and appreciate your opinion. I don’t always agree but I wouldn’t want to live in an echo chamber, anyway. Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don’t. Your condemnation of Hillary is well established, BTW. I feel you sometimes get short shrift. Well, I saved some the trouble of throwing me under he bus … I did it myself. I’m hoping you continue to post.

Holy mother it’s 0230 and the entire house just took a broadside from what was probably a 50 MPH gust. We were expecting weather from MS and it appears it has found its way here to FL.

Mr. Pete

The senate was not created to give small states the same control vis large states regarding population. The senate was created to represent the states, vs the house representing the people. The states were almost sovereign entities back then. That was the beauty of the bi-cameral system the founders established. Today it seems the states are merely administrative jurisdictions of the federal government.

Bill R.

Wrong. The reason the founders gave us a House and a Senate was so people had no reason to bitch about disproportionate power. EVERY state has two senators, however, the House is made up based on each state’s population. Your argument is null and void.

Commissar

How does anything you said make my argument null and void?

Perry Gaskill

My own view is that the survey is flawed because it depends on self-identity as conservative or liberal instead of asking specific issue questions. Notice too that the center column of moderates leave a lot of wiggle room. This creates a separate issue because most people, including psychotic serial baby stabbers, consider themselves to be thoughtfully moderate whether they actually are or not.

Since you’ve graced us with your presence, Lars, I’m also going to go shamelessly off topic and ask if you have any comment on the recent UCB dust-up in which the Turning Point USA guy got punched out by some random liberal droogs who apparently never heard of Mario Savio.

I was also amused by the Twitter comment from UCB employee Yuvi Panda who wrote, “OH MY GOD THE MAGA PEOPLE ON UC BERKELEY CAMPUS YESTERDAY GOT PUNCHED IN THE FACE BY SOMEONE THIS MAKES ME FEEL EMOTIONALLY SO MUCH BETTER.”

Not to appear au courant deficient or anything, but I’ve also been wondering if ol’ Yuvi shouldn’t be nominated poster child for Berkeley’s next student recruitment drive:

https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/30430?v=4

Deckie

I’m sure he was never more proud of his alma mater.

Commissar

The guy was victimized by an idiot and he did everything he could to avoid it.

According to the campus police neither the victim or the perpetrator are students or affiliated with the university.

It is an open campus and Sproul Plaza has a long tradition of being a center for demonstrations of political activism and at times violence.

Commissar

As for Yuvi Panda; the school has more than 45,000 students and 12,000 employees.

Some of them say stupid shit.

Some of them do stupid things.

The opinion of Yuvi no more reflects the school than Christopher Hasson reflects the Coast Guard.

If the UC system were a private organization he would be fired by now. However, since 16% of its budget it is public funding there is automatic 1st Amendment protections for things he says when not acting in an official capacity or at work.

Essentially the government can’t punish you for saying stupid shit with a handful of exceptions and since the budget includes government funding the university has to follow many of the same laws as the government with respect to speech.

So we will see if the sticks around.

Poetrooper

“The opinion of Yuvi no more reflects the school than Christopher Hasson reflects the Coast Guard.”

Well, yeah, it does when it’s get picked up by the media and broadcast ’round the world, whether you think so or not. It may not be a fair reflection (which I tend to think it is) but those are the facts of life, Lars.

Commissar

Acknowledged.

It reflects on the public perception of the university.

Just like every veteran making the news for violent behavior reflects on public perception of all veterans.

And Christopher Hasson has a lot of people wondering what the hell is going on in the Coast Guard.

Sparks

George Box is smiling in his grave.

The Other Whitey

Wipe the semen off your lips, Commissar. Then read up on this thing called the Electoral College, and why it exists.

Aw, I forgot, you’re an oathbreaking piece of shit who would abolish the Constitution you swore to defend if you had your way. With that in mind, I’m sure the Venezuelan army would appreciate your services in a janitorial position.

Commissar

You might want to take a look at this guys wack-job obsession with me. Posting ridiculous and baseless crap about me giving blowjobs at truck stops and bringing me up countless times. This was months after I had last posted demonstrating he was still emotionally connected to me weeks longer than any of my ex’s.

It’s creepy.

Commissar

Is that why I can’t post on some threads? Feels random sometimes.

Ex-PH2

I doubt seriously that TOW is OBSESSED with you, Commissar Bubblebutt. If you’re that self-involved, get some help with your problem.

The Other Whitey

It’s surprisingly funny to be accused of obsession by a guy who used sock puppets to weasel his way into a blog that banned him, but whatever.

Lars, you made yourself into a punchline, now you cry when people keep telling the joke. In any case, the way you are treated here is a direct reflection of your own conduct. Those who earn respect get respect. Likewise, those who earn disrespect get it.

OWB

This is one of the few and far between times when I’m gonna jump into the middle of somebody else’s fight. And I may well regret later that I didn’t read the rest of the comments before posting this comment. Tough.

There is no reason to ask TOW to lighten up. He was attacked, called ridiculous things, and generally insulted in a most juvenile manner but with adult language and stereotypical lefty rhetoric for absolutely no reason at all. Basically, the nut from Berkeley ambushed him just because TOW had the audacity to post his opinion about something or another.

There may indeed be a method to the madness, but failure to stand up for anyone here who is viciously attacked, his family impugned, and other disgusting things is a nearly unforgiveable failure.

Y’all do whatcha wanna, of course. It’s your place. You might want to think this one through again. Just one opinion from the peanut gallery.

HMC Ret

AW1Ed: Maybe you could draw a line in the sand, like that disaster-in-chief who left my house a few years ago suggested. Who was that guy who asked several years back, “Can’t we all just get along” or something along those lines? We don’t have to agree. That’s certainly not desirable. Hell, we don’t have to even like each other. Let’s do that line in the sand. Where is that piece of shit odummy when he’s needed to draw a line? He’s not available, AW1Ed, you’ll have to draw the line yourself.

OWB

Why would you be surprised if past actions no longer count for anything?

Good luck with that starting fresh thing.

Commissar

First, I never broke my oath.

Second, you never took the oath. In fact you never served a single day in the military. So STFU about something you have zero experience with.

Third,I know why the electoral college exists. Nothing I said contradicts that.

You have a big mouth when you are anonymous and have developed a personal and highly triggered snowflake one-sided emotional connection to me.

Take a breath and realize that you are acting like an asshole.

I

A Proud Infidel®™️

Lighten up, Francis.

Ex-PH2

Perhaps, Oh Lars, the very Small of Brain, you should take into consideration that your disdain for someone who puts his own life on the line every time he goes out on a firecall – which YOU don’t do – is both obnoxious and uncalled for. In addition. you maligned his family some time back, and never apologized for what you said, which was full of ignorance and hogwash.

A lot of people here think you’re an idiot, especially when you start lecturing the audience and hog the comments section with drivel. That’s why you get monitored.

Just remember 2.0 + 2.0 = 4.0 Whole numbers cannot be altered to suit your idjit notions of reality.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Ex, Lars has maligned quite a few people here, including myself. He’s also made the claim that I never served, which is total BS (if there is any question about my service, I’d be more than happy to give my info to any mod here to let them request my records from NPRC).

Commissioner Wretched

Lars, the population DOES have equal representation, right where the Founders wanted it – in the House of Representatives. That was originally the ONLY portion of government that was to be elected directly by the people. The Senate does NOT represent the interests of the people; it represents the interests of the STATES and thus, each state is equal. (Before the 17th amendment, the Senate was appointed by state legislatures, not elected at all.)
Take a civics course, dude.

Hondo

The population of those six states outnumber the population of the rest combined.

Obviously you didn’t bother to read either the linked article concerning the survey or the excerpts quoted above.

Per the article regarding the Gallup poll in question, the six states where self-identified liberals outnumber self-identified conservatives are NY, WA, HI, VT, NH, and MA. According to Wikipedia, as of 1 July 2018 their estimated population was 37,383,197. That’s less than the estimated population of CA on that same date – and per the article, in CA the percentage of population self-identifying as liberals and conservatives is equal (29% identify as each).

So, in short: you’re full of it, yet again. The population of the six states in question does not “outnumber the population of the rest combined.” Not even close.

Those six states also don’t include most of the US major metro areas. So the rest of your argument regarding metro areas and liberals also appears unsupported if not entirely bogus.

Sheesh. Do you even bother to read the articles here before you spout ridiculous BS comments regarding them?

HMCS(FMF) ret

See what happens when some people do the “new math”… they still can’t get it right.

Hondo

Yeah. And when they don’t bother to check facts before waxing ignorant in public.

FWIW: per Wikipedia estimates, as of 1 July 2018 the 6 most populous US states – CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, and IL – collectively had far less than 1/2 of the US total population. And only one of those states (NY) was found in the Gallup poll in question to have more self-identified liberals than self-identified conservatives.

So, not only was Commissar’s comment above not even close to the 10-ring; it missed the target entirely. (smile)

Veritas Omnia Vincit

And in the PRoM more Independents are on the rolls versus Democrats or Republicans.

The independents quite often sway the governor’s race towards a Republican candidate.

We have far more liberals than we need to be certain, but centrist independents still move the governorship back and forth between Democrat and Republican with entertaining regularity. We did elect Romney, Weld, and now Baker…RINOs all perhaps, but certainly not liberal Democrats.

Poetrooper

I imagine this trend is largely driven by the total craziness the Democrats have been displaying since 2016. Lots of folks in the middle may enjoy watching the Dems and their media beat up on Trump but they don’t want to self-identify as being one of those crazies.

Plenty of Americans saw through the blatant Democrat hypocrisy in the Kavanaugh affair and knew an honorable man was being treated unfairly. They knew those Covington kids were treated grossly unfairly by liberals. They have just witnessed outrageous hypocrisy with this recent fake racial attack.

If the liberal media, Occasional Cortex and the Democrat presidential candidates keep up their leftward lurch we’ll probably see this movement towards the conservative side become even more pronounced. Sensible people do not want to be associated with such adolescent behavior especially the growing intolerance for free speech and even free thought, as the liberals are promoting.

Commissar

The trend is caused by both high paying jobs and tech industries being concentrated in cities and Millenials and Gen-Xers moving to the cities to work.

More people are leaving the towns they were born in after they graduate than ever before.

While the country has seen a 13% growth in the decade that growth is in cities and suburbs with the majority of rural communities remaining flat or in decline with respect to population.

It is a trend that has been happening since industrialization but started skyrocketing in the 1990s.

Ex-PH2

The current maire idiot of Chicago/Cook County is proposing a 30% hike in property tax. This is in addition to the tax of sales of properties last year. The proposed tax hike is to “help the homeless”, another undefined line of BS from Rahmbo’s office. And several people have said if this passes, watch the repeat of flight to Indiana and Wisconsin. I’d start packing now.

Glad I left when I did. These idiots who can’t manage money are like that slimey idjit Biship in ‘Ladyhawke’, who said “I raised taxes again, only to be told there are no more taxes to be found.” The Taxed Enough Already party started because of this crap. They can’t manage real money, so they dig into your pockets.

At some point, this will implode. Like all such stupid ideas and lack of real understanding of how things work, there will be no people left to pay HO/property taxes, because they can live elsewhere.

The Other Whitey

Lara Logan called out the MSM pretty spectacularly a few days ago. I’m guessing she’s probably left-of-center for the most part, hardly the type to walk around in a MAGA hat, so to speak. But she laid it all out there. Her integrity is awesome.

Poetrooper

Her knockers aren’t bad either…

OK, OK, Ed–I’ll dial it back, too.

Heh…

Jeffery Monroe

Yes She Does Have Nice Awesome Hooters -Why Should NY,California ,Florida and Illinois Decide The POTUS?

Perry Gaskill

I saw that a couple of days ago. Logan pretty much nailed it in saying that a big problem isn’t just that news media is biased. It’s also that the ratio of liberal news outlets to conservative outlets is way out of balance. I also liked this little gem:

“You need at least two first-hand sources for something, right?” Logan said. “Those things help keep your work to a certain standard. Those standards are out the window. I mean, you read one story or another and hear it and it’s all based on one anonymous administration official, former administration official. That’s not journalism. That’s horseshit. Sorry. That is absolute horseshit.”

For those who might have missed it, here’s a link that points to the original video interview with former SEAL Mike Ritland:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/19/lara_logan_hits_media_for_becoming_left-wing_propagandists_horseshit_low_standards.html

2/17 Air Cav

This blog is so fucked.

26Limabeans

Dial it back or I will push the report button.

5th/77th FA

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Come the revolution, the liberal, metro enclaves will be the first to implode.

A Proud Infidel®™️

I concur, they SAY that they’re going to start a revolution while in reality at least ninety five percent of them can’t even start a lawnmower, let alone figure out which bathroom to use!

Jeffery Monroe

They wont do nothing but talk and yell at you to death, their so darn foolish idiots.