Another Cold War Ghost Story

| December 14, 2018

backpack burst
By Poetrooper
Yesterday, in response to Dave’s article, “Ghosts for the Gullible” all of the comments I read were full of sarcasm and scorn for a soldier and his widow because TAH readers have seen and heard it all. But I do know that the best con jobs are always seeded with just enough of the truth to render them credible which could be the case here. Reading the piece I recalled events of decades ago when I was a Battalion and Brigade Chemical, Biological and Radiological NCO in the 101st and 82d Airborne. I cannot pinpoint precisely where and when I first heard that we had special operations teams infiltrating North Korea, as well as many Soviet satellite countries, with backpack portable nuclear weapons.

I think my first knowledge of the B-54 warhead itself came during the nuclear portion of my training at the Army CBR School at Ft. McClellan, AL, in 1965. It was derived from the W-54 warhead of the Davy Crockett Jeep-mounted nuke launcher then assigned to infantry units. As I recall, we discussed the radiation output of portable nuclear devices, both ours and the Russian version, but not that we had teams operating behind enemy lines with them. That was speculation reserved for the NCO Club, where, of course, we agreed that common sense dictated that would have to be the case to effectively employ such a weapon.

backpack nuclear weapon
BackPack Nuclear Weapon

I also vaguely recall a hotel bar discussion at a special operations medical conference maybe fifteen years ago where someone said he had once served with a senior NCO who’d been on a team that prepositioned such weapons in North Korea. I recollect more recently, though probably more than ten years ago, a military internet article about Israel’s nuclear capabilities, where it was conjectured IDF/Mossad had their own version of such backpack nukes and had stashed many of them within key cities and military installations of many Middle Eastern opponents. I also remember hearing many years ago that we had nukes prepositioned in the Fulda Gap and other key invasion routes in Europe as well as on the Korean peninsula but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were B-54’s.

In any event, it took about twenty seconds of web-searching to pull up this 2014 online article from the Smithsonian website, For 25 Years, U.S. Special Forces Carried Miniature Nukes on Their Backs, which certainly verifies my past sources. And this link, The Littlist Boy, will provide you with more history of the program, which was officially declassified in 2014. I think we should consider that if this nuke program, which never kidnapped or killed any foreign politicians or generals, remained classified fifty years, similar programs run by the obsessively secretive CIA, which has done illegal things, if they did exist would likely still be tightly classified. Notably the initial timelines for the nuke operations and the so-called Ghost Walker ops do approximate; and while I agree that it is quite unlikely an ordinary infantry soldier or military policeman would be tapped for such shadowy operations and the DD-214’s do assuredly look bogus, could it be that Dunagan heard of the nuke ops and appropriated them as the base for his fables? But, is it also possible he could have been involved in some clandestine operations in an ancillary way such as providing security? As a young MP at Fort Campbell, I served on security details for nuclear warhead transportation from Clarksville Navy Base to Campbell Army Airfield. We weren’t supposed to know what was going on but of course we did. Perhaps Dunagan had some sort of tangential experience with black ops and like so many we see here at TAH, decided to embellish his own record.

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Ret_25X

The thing about the Army is that anything could be going on right in front of us and we would not notice it if the activity appears to be something we might expect to see.

As for CAT 3 MPs being pulled for ghost recon duties in Norkland, that is suspicious, but the concept that Americans may be operating in Norkland (or anywhere else) I take as common sense.

5th/77th FA

Good post Poe & AW1Ed. Wonder what else I knew and wasn’t supposed to talk about has been declassified? Probably a bunch. Assignments to nuke missile Bns and MI (ARS) a lot went on right in front of folks and you just didn’t talk about it, at all. One reason why I had such issues with the Bitch of Benghazi and Bitch Bradley M.

That being said, no movements or missions happened without orders of some sort being cut. No operations happened VOCG or VONCA or VOCIA, to my knowledge. (Vocal Order Commanding General, National Command Authority, Central ect al.). It may have but I doubt it. I throw the BS flag on some of these claims that the records are sealed and so on. If it happened, enough could be redacted to air brush out the “sexy” parts to verify that service.

We do not want any sort of nuclear exchange. No such thing as a limited nuclear war, once they start getting popped, it will be an ongoing chain reaction that will be very difficult to stop.

Martinjmpr

Well, the P3 is an Anti Sumbarine Warfare (ASW) aircraft and nuclear torpedoes are a thing, so I think we can all add 2 + 2…. 😉

Forest Green

Sorry, can’t resist.

ChipNASA

I’m glad I see from time to time, there are more of “us” on here, that makes me giggle.

“One, Two, FIVE….Three Sir….THREE!!”

26Limabeans

Tanks for the references. Good reading.
We are everywhere. Always have been, always will be.

Martinjmpr

I don’t know when the existence of Special Atomic Demolition Munitions (SADMs) was “officially” acknowledged but they were common knowledge in the military when I was in back in the 80’s.

As far as nukes being “secretly” emplaced, I seriously doubt it. If you “secretly” emplaced a nuke you would then have to guard it, which would pretty much negate the whole “secret” thing. And putting a nuke in the ground and NOT guarding it just doesn’t seem like a smart idea.

Now, I have heard of CONVENTIONAL explosives being put onto bridges and tunnels and just left there. When I was in Korea in the early 90’s we were told that the bridges and “Rock drops” along FEBA-A (the defensive line that stretches all the way across the Korean peninsula about 15 miles South of the DMZ) were rigged with explosives and all they’d need would be detonators to be set off.

I heard much the same about bridges in Germany except that the explosives themselves had been removed after cold war tensions eased. However, the compartments for emplacing explosives were still there and both US and Bundeswehr Combat Engineers practiced filling those compartments with explosives so the bridges could be blown if needed.

Poetrooper

Jmper, how difficult would it have been to engineer a fail-secure system into pre-positioned devices? Or sophisticated, tamper-resistant/proof booby-traps that could destroy the warheads with conventional high explosives? If it’s such an improbability, why does our government sweat small, low-yield, nuclear devices being smuggled undetected into our country for future use by terrorists?

Wouldn’t teams have to recon inside enemy territory to determine the best means and methods to be used to position the nukes undetected? That could be what was meant in the use of the term pre-positioning. I’m just guessing here as this is far outside my experiences or knowledge, but it seems to me that the likelihood of successful targeting of such weapons declines dramatically once the balloon goes up, or for that matter, even during the buildup to open warfare or an actual invasion.

(not that) Mike

It seems to me that the political fallout of any “nuclear” device could potentially be more devastating (politically) and leverageable (not sure if that’s a word) than any physical damage the device might cause. The second world is well-versed in the manipulation of the uneducated.

Slow Joe

Well, I have never heard of any type of compact nukes.
Perhaps they packed away all the sexy toys after the Cold War and that’s why my generation, the GWOTs, never heard of it.

David

Russian 160mm mortars were supposedly nuclear capable… max range 16km or so. Not sure I’d be thrilled at tripping off a nuke 10 miles away intentionally.

AnotherPat

Thank you for providing your insight, Poetrooper.

In December 1961, Dunagan was recalled to Active Duty with the 32nd Infantry Division, a Wisconsin National Guard unit and was sent to Fort Lewis, Washington for the Berlin Crisis 1961-1962 (please see links below for his post as well as the history of that unit during the Berlin Crisis).

He was with them for 2 months.

In the links, The 32nd Infantry Division also discussed about replacements due to hardship, medical, ect. He might have been a replacement. He may have been injured after he came on board (he claimed to have hurt his back at Fort Lewis transporting ammo overseas).

Who know the level of information he was given during those two months as a PFC. Since the Exercises all involved the Cold War, there may have been an Exercise scenario that fit his Ghost Walker story…or he heard stories from other Soldiers who were stationed with ASCOM in 1960-1961 and embellished his short time with US Army with his Widow, that is, he mixed the Berlin Crisis and ASCOM scenarios/stories into one:

“Joseph W. Dunagan
Hq. Troop, 2D Recon. Squad, 105 Armor Cav.
32D Division
Berlin Crisis”

“We are looking for anyone who was called to active duty in 1961 and went to Ft. Lewis, Washington to train and was “Erronously recalled” and sent home in February of 1962, only to be called up a month or so later and sent to Korea. Joseph Wayne Dunagan was one of those and we think there may be more. Also looking for a roster of the unit from that time period.”

http://www.32nd-division.org/history/seeking.html

http://www.32nd-division.org/history/berlin-crisis/32-bc(2).html

Anything is possible. However, if he was recalled on Active Duty from 1962-1964 and sent to Korea, one would think that he would have a DD214 covering that time period.

IMHO, I don’t believe he was “shocked” when he received his records from St Louis. I think he did that to pacify his third Wife, his Widow. She sounded pretty intimidating on that tape.

Just my opinion and 2 pennies.

rgr769

Bushitters gotta bullshit. His record of assignments show he spent a whopping 41 days of active duty for training at Lewis. Something tells me he didn’t fly to Korea and back for a secret mission in those 41 days, which also included some kind of training. I might add he was a PFC MP.

Combat Historian

SF training with and working with SADMs, absolutely true…

CIA paramilitary ops into denied areas of Tibet, PRC, DPRK, NVN, and elsewhere using experienced operators and local agents, also true…

Low cat reservist MP with no additional training running CIA cross-border ops into DPRK and then claiming all his records are under seal by the CIA….NO and HELL NO!

rgr769

In the 10th SFGA we had a SADM team. It had to practice with the device and pass a qual test with the training version of the device every couple of months. No one in the Group that was not on the team was even allowed to see the device. I had a TS clearance and as a Bn Intel Officer (S-2), I was tasked with oversight of the team staying qualified, but I was not allowed to see even the training device (no need to know). That photo is the first time I have seen what it looked like. For those not in the know, SADM stands for Special Atomic Demolition Munition, IIRC.

Tony180A

I remember early 80’s the SADM device ODA in my Bn turned them in. I had a buddy that was the commo man on that ODA. He said it was a pain in the ass maintaining the required credentials, and more lightweight commo gear to stuff in his 140lbs rucksack.

He was happy it kept them from fun taskings like Robin Sage but it also kept them from schools during red cycle. My Team Sgt had a policy that everyone kept a current Halo/Scuba physical because there was always some fun schools (some not listed in ATRRS) that last minute slots miraculously appeared.

Sapper3307

Any retired 12E’s ADM in the wings to night?

Sapper3307

FM 5-12E/CM

Dustoff

The Davy Crockett had to be right out of the Wylie Coyote Acme arsenal…

Sapper3307

0.38 looks like David Hogg!
Time travel?

HMC Ret

Sapper 3307:
“0.38 looks like David Hogg!
Time travel?”

Can he travel back far enough to never have existed? Looking at that punchable face, I find it difficult to believe he was the sperm that won the race.

CCO

2852 meters! Yikes!

Poetrooper

So short-ranged it used a spotter rifle for targeting.

Slow Joe

Stupid question but, can you survive a low yield nuke at 3k meters?
How low would it have to be?

All this stuff sounds like sci-fi.

I am starting to suspect all these SADM and David Crockett thingies are a super sekret CIA operation to spunk the soviets.

Hondo

Short answer: surviving the blast at that distance (a bit less than 2 miles) would easily be possible, particularly if you knew when and could take cover. Best estimates of the Hiroshima blast – which dwarfed the Davy Crockett’s explosion – are that it was equivalent to between 15,000 and 18,000 tons of TNT. Many within 3km of ground zero at Hiroshima survived. The closest survivors at Hiroshima were approximately 300m (!) from ground zero, and it’s estimated that 14% of those within 1km survived the explosion.

In contrast, open source documents indicate that the Crockett used the Mk54 nuclear “package” and was designed to create an explosion equal to between 10 and 20 Tons of TNT. That’s between 0.056% and 0.134% of the size of the Hiroshima explosion. And the device was in fact operationally tested at the Nevada Test Site in 1962 – it was the last US atmospheric test. Operational testing generally uses the operational configuration, so the crew firing the round would have been within 3km of detonation. Presumably they survived. (smile)

Surviving the fallout afterwards would be more of a concern, IMO. If you were on the upwind side, so long as you didn’t visit ground zero immediately afterwards (or look directly at the explosion as it occurred) and the wind didn’t change you’d likely be OK. But if the wind shifted or you were on the downwind side, well . . . ground bursts (even small one) are quite dirty, fallout-wise. That might have been a real problem.

ex-OS2

Great post Poetrooper, thank you.