The virtue of Military Service is a Myth and it is destroying this country.

| September 25, 2018

Careful Citizen, having reverence for those who served in the military erodes our Democracy.

The gap in civilian and military experiences in the United States over the 17 years since 9/11 has led to persuasive, persistent, and unrealistic myths that have eroded faith in civilian leadership of defense policy. Among these myths are the superior virtue of military over other kinds of public service; that battlefield experience is the most authoritative source of military policy expertise; and that an exclusively civilian background is inadequate for strategic defense leadership. In the United States, these myths are nurtured and perpetuated by both military and civilian communities and affect general public opinion as well as the attitudes of national security professionals. These myths are also corrosive. Unless they are acknowledged, addressed, and challenged, future civilian leaders may struggle to control the use of force—a profound problem for a democratic system. Downgrading civilian leadership will weaken U.S. national security and the military itself.

I thought having experience in the field you were administering was a good thing.   Silly me.

The myth with which the majority of Americans are most familiar is the notion that military service tops the hierarchy of civic duties. The Pew Research Center found in 2011 that 83 percent of American adults believe military personnel and their families have had to make sacrifices since 9/11, but at the same time less than half the population believes the American public has shared the burden of war. The kernel of truth underlying this perception has grown into a sense that there is a deficit on the civilian side of U.S. society.

Civilians have made and equal sacrifice to those who serve in the military?  Someone explain this to me.

Veterans are often offered early boarding for airplanes. Harris Teeter grocery stores provide preferred parking for veterans. Veterans’ issues top the list for dozens of major charities and are included among the charitable giving priorities of corporate foundations. On the one hand, this is all as it should be: Admiring and expressing gratitude for military service, especially in wartime, is simply the right thing for a society to do. The problem is that admiration for military service eclipses respect for other national-level institutions and other forms of service. In today’s polarized political environment, the chasm has put those in uniform in the awkward position of embodying civic virtue.

I had no idea my service to this country was eroding Democracy.

Washington Post/Kaiser Family Foundation poll of veterans found in 2013 that nearly half believe the American public doesn’t genuinely respect their service.

Shocked face.

A 2017 Gallup poll found Americans’ trust in the military is more than twice what it is for the presidency and six times higher than faith in Congress.

Well, we can’t have that.  Americans trusting in the military has to be stopped.   We should all entrust our safety to some Commie Pinko babe from NY.   We should put people who have no idea what the military is all about in charge of protecting us and stop this reverence for those who served before it destroys this nation.

 

Read the whole article HERE.

 

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PFM

See, the virtue of being in the military is that there is always somebody ready and willing to put a boot in your ass to help straighten you out if you screw up – too bad the Executive and Legislative branches don’t have the same feature – it might help their ratings.

desert

I am sorry to see that Sally whatever her name is beat Kelly Ward for senate, she used her being in the air farce as a pilot as her single claim to fame…I heard her a couple of times and think we exchanged one former military RINO (mcain) for another! I believe she is going to flip flop and be another disgrace just like McCain was imho

Old Tanker

We all want to think that our service and that of our fellow service members made us something more than the average Joe / Jill walking down the street. In a way it does, but it in no way gives us a blanket protection against being a dirtbag. We all know the few folks who slid under the door and wore the uniform with us. They create a stain on our reputation both in and often out of uniform. Some become quite famous for misdeeds in and out of uniform that do nothing to help perpetuate the myth that service adds character, that wasn’t there before. All you have to do is remember the names of folks like Lee Harvey Oswald, McVeigh, Bergdahl and Manning for a few. Then folks like Kerry throw their service and brothers under the bus to serve their own ends.

Service doesn’t add character to folks who didn’t have it to begin with. It can nurture it but it does not really create it. It is sacrifice but it is one taken voluntarily, at least since the draft was eliminated. It doesn’t make you a good person, only continuing to make good choices does that and service isn’t a prerequisite for that situation.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Even a few of our duly elected representatives like Dick Blumenthal stolen valor Senator who “mis-remembered” that he didn’t actually set foot in Vietnam…

Your last paragraph is spot on, service doesn’t build character it reveals it…if you had some when you joined it becomes apparent to those you serve with, if you had none that is also revealed and usually again in your civilian life it is revealed over and over after your service.

Just because your discharge indicates honorable service it doesn’t mean all remain honorable men and women as this site so often clearly illuminates the large number of former service men and women who now lie regularly and without any difficulty over their military experience.

Once a shitbag, always a shitbag. We’re no heroes for serving, we’re just people who joined for a variety of reasons some of which are quite noble and others not so much. We’re just people…

I respect those that have served before me, with me, and especially those now serving after me who are doing some seriously heavy lifting. The article might be a bit uncomfortable for some but for me I believe based on the reading I’ve done that the founders never envisioned a worshipped warrior class for this nation, and would most likely recoil at the notion.

Green Thumb

Word.

The one thing I will poin out os that i have met numerous E-3’s, E-4’s, E-5’s etc who have gotten out and have become “Policy” experts on a things related to teh military. It creates a problem as the public (many times) cannot seperate the distictions beteen rank, command, duty positions, etc.

And the clowns running off at the suck do not take the time to correct them.

I had to take the time the other day to explain the didffernces in a SGM’s background.expeince versus a lower unlisted Soldier. They finally uderstood but the vacuum is unbeleivable.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I hear you, I know a whole bunch of folks who now think they are scientists as well…civilians mostly who couldn’t do simple geometry when we were together in school but now expect me to believe they are experts on everything from vaccines to climate science…it makes for some exciting conversations.

2/17 Air Cav

The early Americans had to do for themselves. Raise it. Grow it. Make it. Trade for it. Kill it. There was no warrior class. Every male who could hold and load a musket did so. We now can afford the luxury of a standing military with a global reach-around. That makes some folks very nervous.

timactual

” We now can afford the luxury of a standing military with a global reach-around. That makes some folks very nervous.”

Those folks are in good company as the nervous types include our founding fathers.

Frank

“Global reach around”?
So the US can do something terrible to a man’s ass but offer some consolation wherever he is?
“Full Metal Jacket” has much to answer for.

26Limabeans

I knew all that “thank you for your service” was just virtue signaling for your neighbors.
Your porch flags aren’t fooling me either.

Graybeard

Another bit of evidence that idiots exist.

I was proud this past weekend to meet a Viet Nam war combat medic. Spanish is his major language, but he will tell you America is the best nation in the world.

Also met a Viet Nam war combat rescue helicopter crewman who had to serve two tours w/o interruption because of his critical skills. Also proud of this nation.

Both of them and the other vets in attendance went on to do great things for their communities, and are men to be admired and emulated.

The author of this pap? Not so much.

Ex-PH2

Quite an article from someone whose understanding of the purpose of the military is below zero.

Concerned Citizen is worried about a military coup, perhaps?

Idiot.

MSG Eric

If the over 21 million veterans in this country “wanted” to take over this country, we very easily could. First targets would be google HQ and Facebook. Take those down and the millenial population will be lost and forced to sit in their bedroom rocking back n’ forth because “no social, no answers!”.

Ex-PH2

Don’t toy with me, MSG!

5th/77thFA

I really gotta quit drinking sweet iced tea, distilled, and fermented beverages and start drinking their Kool-Aide. Maybe then this will make more sense. I mean, just wow. These gals were paid to write this crap and there are people that believe it. The old “Those who can, do; Those who can’t, teach or supervise.” Give me a f’ing break. The Military and defence of this country was one of the last places where we could count on having practical experienced people in the position to do what was necessary to get the job done. Not some over educated idiot. And yes, I have way yonder more faith, support, and confidence in a present or former Military member than I do for all of the politicians combined. The people that believe this drivel will be the first into the re-education camps, or executed on the spot.

HMC Ret

Does this mean that Golden Corral really doesn’t GAS about my service and is giving me and The Russian a free meal once a year as a PR ploy? Nah, I really don’t think so. I think they are sincere.

desert

YOU and YOUR wife get a free meal? damn, I am the only one that gets a free meal at our Semi Golden Corral!

Jay

I always thought people looked DOWN on military service and pitied us because we either had no where else to go or were too stupid to go collage (yes, I know I spelled it wrong).

Ex-PH2

I did collage in art class in high school.

The author of the article is a nitwit.

MSG Eric

Funny thing, as I recall, Brookings Institute got a lot of ‘gummint work’ during the previous administration. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence though….

HMC Ret

I don’t consider myself any better than those who did not serve, but I certainly consider myself different in many, many ways. I would serve again in a heartbeat if given the chance to do so. I don’t mean this is a derogatory manner, but my HS classmates who did not serve don’t have a clue the satisfaction gained in doing so. I guess the punch line is if given the chance to do it again or be a civilian, I would do it again. Also, one measure of their jealousy is that when in their company, they have endless questions about where, who, what, when, etc. About all I ever ask of them is are they married and how many kids. I also frequently get the “I would have joined but …” The reasons are endless but mostly come down to a conscious decision to remain a civilian. There is rarely a genuine reason that precluded them from service. They simply wanted to remain a civilian. Their loss.

SFC D

Concur 100%, HMC! Only thing I’d do differently about my military service is that I’d start sooner. I’ve always been appreciative but slightly embarrassed by “thank you for your service”. My service didn’t make me special, but it did make me a better man.

rgr769

True dat. The fact I have “special” in my MOS doesn’t make me special.

Twist

It makes me uncomfortable as well. The best reply I’ve heard to being thanked for service is “we are all in it together until we can stop taking our shoes off at the airport”.

Twist

I know a few people that really wanted to join but couldn’t. They even went to MEPS to join, but couldn’t pass the physical for various reasons. They are still pissed to this day that they couldn’t serve.

OldManchu

Sounds like somebody has a case of “Well I was gonna join but then………” excuses and is living to regret it.

HMC Ret

Yep, and every veteran has probably heard it many times from the folks back home, friends of today, etc. More than anything else, it was simply a conscious decision to remain a civilian. Again, their loss. And, yes, I really believe the majority regret not having served. That’s one reason for the bogus poser stories. They want to be part of something they avoided and now, today, they realize they choose poorly and want to sit at the ‘cook kids table’. Too late, folks.

OldManchu

Too late indeed. Well said. Hope those summertime repetive parking lot parties and sleeping late all week were fun for those few wasted years of their lives while their 18 year old peers were off serving.

rgr769

Like the H-beast who was “going to enlist in the Marines,” but somehow was prevented from doing so. And like her hubby who was gonna join ROTC before he discovered how much he “loathed the military.”

OldManchu

Rumor has it they couldn’t find BDU pants large enough for that cheesy ass of hers.

A Proud Infidel®™

“You’re too short and you can’t see. Go check in down the block, maybe the Dogs (Army) will take you.” – Something Das Hildebeast claims a USMC Recruiter told her back when she claims she was seeking to serve in the US Military

ArmyATC

That regret is embodied in one person I know, an old friend. He holds two PhDs, one in philosophy and the other in political science. He heads the philosophy department at a prestigious school. He’s a published author and has been asked to speak around the country and even the world. By all accounts, he is the epitome of success. Yet in a private, unguarded moment he revealed to me that his greatest regret was not serving at least one enlistment in the military. He told me that if he could go back in time, he would put off college for a few years to serve one enlistment, even if he knew it would cost him his future fortune and success. That’s some seriously deep regret, and I’m sure he’s not alone in that regard. I know many my age who went to college right out of high school, exclaiming that those who went into the military just too stupid to get into college. They certainly weren’t going to waste their time on something as low as military service. They were too good for it, too smart. They were better than those who chose service, because those who chose to serve really had no choice, not being smart enough to get into a good school or find a good job. Fast forward several decades and the regret almost literally oozes from them. They had their good education, good jobs, had good families. They got just what they wanted, but when they look back they realize they didn’t really do anything. They measured everything through the lens of monetary gain and in the end got nothing but money and a bland, boring life.

Jay

I had a REALLY good friend ask me something similar about 3 years ago. He went the college route and into the work force and I joined the Corps. He finished his undergrad and then grad school and got a job as a bean counter at a box store chain (mgmt type). We were talking one day and he asked if I ever wished I had gone to college instead. I was like, “Dude, I DID go to college. I have a Masters just like you.”

“Yeah, but I mean REALLY go to college. To have the TRUE college experience. You know; parties, football games, drinking, all that good stuff like I did. Best time of my life man.”

“Bro…lemme tell you a story about a little place called Roppongi. Or Norway. Or Australia. Need I continue?”

It finally sank in that I had achieved the best of both worlds: stability AND adventure. He had a few short years of great stories to tell from many years past. I still got to do that shit on a daily basis.

OldManchu

“I know many my age who went to college right out of high school, exclaiming that those who went into the military just too stupid to get into college.”

Exactly. And I have noticed generally that the ones that game me (and others in our graduating class) the most shit like you describe, are the ones who literally achieved little to nothing as civilians.

When I ETS’d and came home to junior college, they were stil playing ‘sign up for 12 credits a semester, drop 9 credits a few weeks later, and make an F on the remaining class’. I blazed past them at JC straight to a high gpa 4-year degree. The degree didn’t make me better than them. It’s just funny how they can literally accomplish little, which is what they accused those joining the military of.

Now I see some of them around wearing grunt style t-shirts and sporting the “veteran beard.” Sunshine Patriots!

Ex-PH2

Too stupid to get into college? Gee, the stereotyping is strong with these bitplayers.

Frankly, the first civilian job after the Navy I had was BECAUSE of what I did in the Navy. My degree didn’t matter one teensy little bit.

OldManchu

Right on Ex.

Ex-PH2

And I had a splendid, if not perfect, grade point average each semester, too, usually 3.75. Like I said, not perfect. Now, I would work harder at it.

timactual

” too stupid to get into college.”

From my experiences at several colleges I would say that stupidity does not preclude attending most colleges or universities.

rgr769

Very true now days; back when I went to college, over half the class did not get A’s and B’s. Instead, less then 10 percent received A’s and only another 25 percent or so earned B’s. Having a 4.0 GPA was unheard of. Also, frequently basic intelligence has little to do with successful performance in college, which consists largely of regurgitating what the teachers tell them in class.

A Proud Infidel®™

I dropped out of college to enlist in the Army and if I were to do it again I’d have enlisted straight out of high school. One girl I went to college with asked ma “How many years did you sell your soul for?” and thanks to the skills the Army and blue collar life gave me I’m now making close to twice what she is with her precious degrees!

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Dave,

Not to worry … I will fix that eroding democracy with blood, sweat, tears, love for my comrades, sound and strong leadership … with a wee bit of spit, 2 part apoxy, duct tape and bailing wire.

MCPO OUT

HMC Ret

Duct tape will fix anything. Anything. Speaking of which, Gorilla Glue now sells duct tape. Ever tried their glue? Amazing stuff.

Steve

I defy you to show me a problem that can’t be solved with duct tape, WD-40 or zip ties.

Jay

If it moves and shouldn’t: Duct tape

If it should move and doesn’t: WD-40

2/17 Air Cav

If it speaks when it shouldn’t: duct tape.

If it touches things it shouldn’t: zip ties.

I leave the WD-40 to the imagination.

SFC D

Sound parenting advice. I approve this message!

Mason

Parenting, I thought he was talking foreplay.

A Proud Infidel®™

WD40, The Tin Man’s KY!

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

You left out Astroglide. Solves many problems

Frank

War Department 1940
Can also be used as a flamethrower on ants. True.

2/17 Air Cav

I hate Gorilla glue. Shit expands and goes all over the damn place. When I glue two pieces of something, I expect them to stay together without a white f’n mess oozing out. It’s like foaming insulation, that shit you spray from a can.

Jay

“without a white f’n mess oozing out.”

There’s a joke in there somewhere.

Ex-PH2

Don’t squeeze so hard, Air Cav.

Michael Maynard

“without a white f’n mess oozing out.”

I’m sure that’s what she said.

2/17 Air Cav

Yeah, well, swallowing eliminates the ooze but we’re talking about glue here so I don’t advice that.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

I use it for everything. 3 pieces of Gorrilla Tape can fix the democracy.

desert

First, lets start calling this what it is…..’A REPUBLIC’ half the airheads in this country don’t know that and haven’t a clue what the difference is!! Spread the word, we are a REPUBLIC!

jim h

this article smacks of a lot of “what about me?” whining from people who couldn’t or wouldn’t wear a uniform. my other takeaway from this is that political/self-serving generals and ivy league policy wonks have too much say-so. they should be listening to people who have actual experience making tough decisions on the spot rather than brainiacs and toadies.

and FFS, stop finding political hack generals/admirals who have lots of meritorious service garbage on their chest, but zero *actual* combat experience to back it up. they talk up their 30 years of service as equivalent to authority over the masses. as long as it fits the narrative, anyway.

2/17 Air Cav

“Although combat experience cannot easily be replicated, that does not mean judgment cannot be developed off the battlefield or that civilians are not competent to question operational decisions.”

I got a kick out of that line because it begins with a false implication: that combat experience can be replicated. It cannot. It can be approximated, but unless one is being hammered by artillery, mortars, or rockets, and rounds are not merely whizzing through the air but whizzing through the air at you and yours, there is no replicating it. There is no replicating dead men blown apart by indifferent steel, ears bleeding from concussion, or the cries of wounded men. Nor is there replicating the memory of combat and how that shapes those lucky enough to return to the other world, the civilian one. For these reasons, our country looks with gratitude upon those who lost sons and daughters, those who returned less than whole, and those who took the risk and served without incurring or delivering harm.

I wonder how many US generals and admirals have started a war in our country’s history. Many have made war, but how many actually started one? On the flip side, after civilian authority decides, after consultation with security and strategy academics, to wage war, how many of them trade their pants suits for a military uniform? I know the answers, and so do you.

Last point. I do not believe military service to be a subpart of public service, not in the way the term public service is construed today. Military service is a distinct type of service to the nation that allows for public service by others. Because of the military, little girls can grow up pursuing to pursue their academic dreams and safely travel their career paths while others stand watch and guard the gates.

Damn straight the military is esteemed by the public.

Ex-PH2

For Pete’s sake, would you please turn this into a full-blown article and send it to Dave Hardin?

2/17 Air Cav

No.

Twist

You are 100% correct. Although the Army trained me well for combat nothing could prepare me for the fear, the sound, smell of death and torn bodies, the pain of stopping a very small portion of an IED with my face. Trying to describe combat to those who have not faced it is like trying to describe color to a person that was born blind.

timactual

“Although combat experience cannot easily be replicated…”

Now there’s a lovely bit of understatement.

“I do not believe military service to be a subpart of public service…”

Amen, brother! I alternate between amusement and disgust when some political hack applauds another political hack’s sacrifice and “public service”. Particularly disgusting are politicians who say they need enough money to support two households, one in Washington and one “back home” in order to serve the public.

Perry Gaskill

This same piece ran in Foreign Policy a few days ago. I remember thinking at the time I read it that it relied on a sample of cherry-picked anecdotes and straw-man arguments, both tinged with a tone of jealousy.

It also seemed strange that the two women who wrote it couldn’t seem to manage between them to parse a simple declarative sentence.

11B-Mailclerk

Veterans of combat appear to me to be just a bit more grounded in reality, a bit more eyes-open to what actually is going on and what actually works.

And they can be very direct in how they call “bullshit!” on stupid.

This of course is anathema to the pinheads who say “why not impose utopian fantasy? It could work!”.

A Terminal Lance Coolie

This.

Then again, a few of the guys I went to Iraq with are pretty far left nowadays, and one was basically advocating socialism during a conversation on the Book of Faces…

Some people’s bullshit detectors broke. They all went and got an edumucachion, see? Wonder if that’s the cause.

desert

More brainwashed in the communist college system !!

Anonymous

“(Clemenceau) once said that war is too important to be left to generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But, now, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, training, nor inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.” –Brig Gen Ripper (thank liberals for that portrayal)

ex-OS2

Next up, we will be un-thanked for our service and the IRS will garnish our wages to repay any benefit we have received.

sarc/off

Combat Historian

I really do believe that within the next few years, places like San Franshitsco and Bezerkley (perhaps even Commiefornia as a whole) will pass laws that will force active military and veterans living in their jurisdictions to pay a special “War-Monger” tax as reparations for all the horrible things U.S. military folks have done to this peaceful world as part of the hegemonic american imperialist war machine. Sounds like something from The Onion, but let’s just wait and see…

A Proud Infidel®™

I WOULD NOT put that past the People’s Republik of Mexifruitnia given that Governor Moonbaeam signed a bill into law allowing utility companies to charge customers for wildfire losses.

Twist

California already taxes service members stationed there for over 3-5 (I can’t remember the exact number of years) even if they are not a State resident. A buddy of mine that I work with kept getting letters in the mail from California (which he was never a resident of) demanding that he pay the taxes that he “owes” for that year for 15 years after he left there.

OWB

Following their train of thought, I should be appointed dean of a school of journalism somewhere just because “I am citizen,” right?

Ex-PH2

Absolutely. I would definitely vote for that, and you would probably be much better at it than the usual people.

aGrimm

It took me awhile to fully grasp the profound impact my combat time had on the two women I loved the most – mom and my fiancée (and still my bride). The brave upper lips in their letters and the care packages masked their deep worries. Even today my bride tears up when she remembers the time, and she is not one who readily cries. The two bimbos who wrote this article can kiss my ass. They have no understanding whatsoever of the sacrifices that soldiers and their families make. Perhaps the authors should spend just a month wondering if their loved one is going to come home alive and in one piece. If the authors had to wait a week or two for the letter from the soldier bringing temporary relief or live every minute of every day in fear of that knock on the door, maybe they would be singing a different tune.

rgr769

They need even a short tour in a third world shithole playing lethal games with those determined to kill them and their comrades, then they might get it.

SFC D

Some folks don’t understand a profession where “sudden violent death” is an occupational hazard. OSHA doesn’t rule on that.

desert

AMEN!!

2/17 Air Cav

They are academics, one a Ph.D candidate, who were not writing for you or for me. We wouldn’t understand. We lack the intellectual capacity to appreciate what it is they do, which is to pontificate from ivory towers, to mold young minds to think as these they do, and, most of all, to entertain their like-minded girl pals in those lofty places.

HMC Ret

Yes, they ‘mold’ young minds … unfortunately. And that mold is becoming more and more insidious in the civilian sector. IDK, maybe it has also found its way into the military. I don’t know the present-day mentality of junior officers coming from college and joining the military. Maybe they are as brain dead with mold as are those who remain in the civilian world. We’re screwed if it occurs that the majority of young men and women joining the military as officers are as socialist as are those who remain civilians. Some might say that America’s military is the only bastion of sanity remaining, and is all that keeps the nation from complete fragmentation. Maybe it’s too late. I don’t want to be around if it is too late.

desert

THEY are brainwashed just like the snowflakes…anyone that has gone to thecommunist colleges is twisted, distorted and ignorant as hell….and morons keep donating to the colleges, keep supporting them…????? I don’t get it, shut them down!!!!

Martinjmpr

I just read the article linked. Meh. It’s poorly written and as others have said, seems to be based on a series of straw-man arguments and purely anecdotal evidence. The fact that military service is honored in this country does not detract from the value of non-military service to the nation and to the people. The writers of the article seem to see “esteem” as some kind of limited resource to the extent that any “extra” or undeserved esteem that is bestowed upon members of the armed services must have been ‘taken away’ from some otherwise deserving civilian. Which is silly because esteem is not like money – it is perfectly possible to hold more than one person, organization or group in high esteem and holding one group in esteem does not prevent or preclude a person from holding another person or group in equally high esteem. It might have been more interesting to explore the way the “thank you for your service” movement has essentially allowed non-serving Americans to virtue-signal their “patriotism” by making a largely empty gesture or statement at no personal sacrifice to themselves. I’ve never been comfortable with the “thank you for your service” both because I disliked the essential meaninglessness of the statement as well as the fact that it is based on an assumption that military service is always some kind of sacrifice. For me, at least, military service was never a sacrifice, never something I did reluctantly or sorrowfully. That’s not to say, obviously, that I enjoyed everything I did. Standing a guard post in the freezing cold outside a Kaserne in Germany or eating an MRE off the hood of a HMMWV in Croatia on Thanksgiving day certainly made me think there were other places I’d rather be at that moment, but serving in the military was something I did voluntarily and enthusiastically, not reluctantly or with regrets. The “thank you for your service” public gestures and rituals seem so shallow, calculated and formulaic that they don’t really have much meaning to me. And finally, in the same way that the “noble… Read more »

Jus Bill

Obama was the perfect example of the character and experience to AVOID in a military CINC. Period.

A Proud Infidel®™

Ditto with “Blowjob Willie” Clinton!

A Proud Infidel®™

Well those overeducated bimbos with an inferiority complex are just gonna have to EXCUSE the pudfuck out of me for not being at least a six-year stoodint getting a BS Degree in something like Gender Studies or Underwater Basket Weaving instead of serving!

timactual

“I thought having experience in the field you were administering was a good thing.”

It is good, but not a guarantee. John Kerry, to name but one.

“Careful Citizen, having reverence for those who served in the military erodes our Democracy.

Sorry, old boy, I reserve my reverence for God and the Constitution. I’ve been in the military.

Ex-PH2

There is one thing they do NOT have that all ex and current military DO have. I think that’s worth the time it takes to crank it out. And I will.

OWB

It wasn’t that long ago that I really didn’t see myself or my fellow vets as superior to others. After the past couple of decades, I am being forced to rethink that position.

Maybe we actually are superior to those who get all judgmental when you don’t agree with them, act like spoiled children when they aren’t the center of attention, and demand from others that which they would never consider giving to anyone but themselves. Unlike them, we actually have and do practice support for everyone. That is e v e r y o n e, a concept they simply cannot grasp.

A Terminal Lance Coolie

Unfortunately, OWB, I fear that may not be as true as you’d like.

A few of the jarheads I went to Iraq with got out and got those college edumucachion thingies, see. I get into regular verbal scuffles with them on Facebook, as they tout socialist crap like gun control and centralized health care. Thankfully, at least one of them can actually carry a debate, and concede points such as “This guy doesn’t believe in gun control, but does believe kids getting shot is bad.” The rest, unfortunately, still judge me, while twisting the story, mind.

I’d give older generations of servicemen the benefit of your statement, but my generation is slowly being corrupted by leftist crap, too. That thought terrifies me more than the leftist crap itself.

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

Governor Jerry Brown?
I hear his aura smiles and never frowns 😉

California Uber Alles!

Jim

The lefties are bothered that the military is comprised of many righties and those righties are held in high regard by the general public. They are pissed that a person can join the Navy with a HS diploma or GED and if they pass the rigors of school, can run a nuclear reactor. A lefty can go to college and obtain a degree in women’s studies and then move on to slinging coffee. Nothing wrong with slinging coffee. This sort of situation pisses them off, though. With the services being all volunteer, they could volunteer and try to effect a small change, but then they would have to breathe the same air in close proximity as righties, and this the lefty cannot abide. Given all their
so called diversity and tolerance. They would be mocked mercilessly by their friends were they to join the US military, so they remain passive and stay away. They do not know what they are missing, because as a righty myself, I’d welcome them with open arms. My military career is long over so I’ll never get the chance.

2/17 Air Cav

Nicely said.

I am not Cory Booker

I can respect the author’s opinion. What compares with the magnificence and self sacrifice of some bureaucrat at the welfare office?

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NHSparky

Brookings.

Figured.

MrFace

Troll article.

Much less; ***.edu seems like some places don’t like get that fat government check for Mil folks to go there. Or, they want average joe blow to go on NON GI BILL monies and have to pay for the rest of their lives.

Military folks don’t deserve any more praise than the average person; but don’t tell me the average person has made the same sacrifices I have.

Giving up your precious closer parking spot is actually the same as going to war for months at a time while dealing with family shit some 7K miles away. [/sarc]

Some of these talking heads should just close their fucking cockholsters some time and open the shitfilled eyes.

Cheers,
MrFace

Frank

“Military operational experience is unique, but it is not all-knowing“

This lunatic genuinely went and followed the link to one of the gayest bits of scribble he has ever read.
Apparently military service (or as I prefer, the Profession of Arms) gives an unfair advantage in the civic arena.
Whilst I like to think this is true, I would also like to point out to the dear ladies who wrote the piece that it doesn’t come at the cost of the debt crushing their existences. Unlike the Bravo Sierra soft degree they will be paying for until they declare bankruptcy…
And is “Alice Hunt Friend” a real name?

Mark Lauer

Well Jesus Christ in a fucking side car! I sorry my service time cut into our American Democracy so much that I managed to help destroy the country….

Oh, wait; we don’t live in a DEMOCRACY; we live in a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

Well, never fucking mind then. These two bitches don’t have a fucking clue what they’re spouting off about.