Magic Mushroom Psychedelics for Your Depression?
Have you jabbed someone by insinuating that they hung out in the forest messing around with magic mushrooms? Those mushrooms are contributing to research that could result… Maybe… In another prescription medicine that gets “abused”.
But, that’s just a possibility in the future.
The FDA approved the use of the psychedelic part of this magic mushroom in a drug test. They’re following through on the results of previous studies. There’s a possibility that the psychedelic portion of this mushroom may aid with dealing with depression.
From FOXBusiness:
For years, many psychedelic scientists have been theorizing that hallucinating on so-called magic mushrooms could possibly reboot the brain and clear out negative thoughts that may contribute to depression.
And this:
Compass Pathways says psilocybin therapy, which combines a dose of psilocybin, a psychoactive medicine and the active ingredient in “magic mushrooms,” with psychological support has shown promising signals of efficacy and safety as a treatment for depression in academic studies in both the U.K. and U.S.
If this test succeeds with all phases, and if the FDA approves the resulting formula, could you imagine the restrictions and controls that would be required? Or, the process of creating the drug could minimize or eliminate the magical effects.
Category: It's science!
Are you shiitake-ing me?
hahaha Nice one DC
Like my posts on MDA being tested to treat PTSD; the comments were, lively. So stand by.
*grin*
Okay, whatever.
Picture yourself in a boat on a river
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes
Cellophane flowers of yellow and green
Towering over your head
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes
And she’s gone
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
These guys are spending far too much time in strawberry fields – forever, in fact – and not enough time with a continuum hurdelizer. Maybe if we call The Doctor, he can come up with something that really, really works.
Or maybe, if they tried something less harmful, like a low dose of B-complex vitamins and some adrenaline, it would get the same results without the use of hippie crap stuff.
Jefferson Airplane, Lather. Supporting instrumentals speak volumes:
Frankly, I have no problem with either ‘shrooms or pot being made legal for therapeutic use – provided that
1. they are studied in a valid (e.g., statistically large sample/reasonable duration/definitive result) double-blind scientific study that proves their effectiveness;
2. their safety of use can be assured under proper conditions of use;
3. they are listed as Schedule 2/2N drugs; and
4. proper use protocols and enforcement mechanisms can be developed.
Haven’t seen anything approaching that with pot. This one may be being done right, though.
For the record: I have the same opinion concerning most other Schedule 1 drugs – particularly in hospice situations. The fact that a person with terminal cancer might become addicted to, say, heroin just isn’t that big of a concern to me if it provides sufficient pain relief to ease their passing.
That last paragraph hits home for me, watching a couple of loved ones slowly waste away to their death I kept thinking the same thought you express…who gives a shit if they are morphine addicted when they die? They’re dying no matter what we try to do for them, why make it uglier than it needs to be….watching a guy who was a shot put track star go from 240lbs to 110 lbs unable to clean himself or use the rest room on his own…and seeing him suffer while we are worried about addiction seemed ludicrous at the time.
It sort of reinforced the notion that should I get a similar diagnosis I might take myself out before I lose the ability to do so and suffer a similar fate.
VOV: same here – though the one relative whose case I’m most familiar with wasn’t a shot-putter, just an average guy.
FWIW: morphine and related opiates were pretty liberally prescribed in his case after he entered hospice care. And he was taking pretty heavy doses near the end (and needed them – invasive bone involvement during terminal cancer is reputedly excruciatingly painful).
However, when he passed in the middle of the night the hospice folks came out that night and picked up any unused narcotics. The same was true for a second person I knew who ended up in hospice care and receiving opiates for pain near the end. So the protocols and procedures were in place to provide reasonable safeguards against abuse.
Morphine is schedule 2; heroin is schedule 1. I don’t see any real reason why heroin can’t be schedule 2 as well for hospice situations with appropriate procedural controls.
I’ve long said that I’m saving drug abuse for old age.
As with all things as much as we think we know, there is also much we do not really know.
So many factors in addictions, depressions, manic behaviors are inter-related from environmental factors to genetic factors to actual drug property factors that any prospective therapy that shows promise should be considered and tested.
The chemistry in our heads doesn’t take much to get out of balance, and for some people once out of balance it never really goes back to what was previously normal for that individual.
It is often quite tragic to watch someone unravel who previously had been a bright, spontaneous, decent soul as mental illness in one its many forms over takes their world.
Here’s hoping this helps find a stable solution to these forms of mental illness, perhaps with the mushrooms people will actually keep taking their meds…nothing worse than manics who start feeling better and stop taking their meds thinking they’re cured and then they crash and burn and have to start over again. This cycle is repeated often with bipolars. Doesn’t end well at times.
If your looking to wipe or re-write your brain try some flakka or bath salts or synthetic marijuana. From what I see on various sites on the internet those who take that stuff are severely F,D up but look depression free.
I wonder if they would recover after taking that crap?
My wife’s 80 pound grandma was in a nursing home and slowing circling the drain. They told her she couldn’t have the sausage biscuits she loved because it might raise her blood pressure! Luckily, my father in law found out and tore that place a new one. He let them know that his mother could eat anything at this point.
Me – I’ll take myself out before going to a “home”.
My dad was on a strict diet for high cholesterol for years, he absolutely hated it. About 5 years before he died, his doc said screw it, eat whatever you want. You got 10 things going on that’ll kill you long before cholesterol does. I thought he was gonna kiss that doc.
Over a couple of decades ago, I remember an NCO saying, “I’ll die happy” when told about the heart risk his choice of foods posed.
Yup, she wanted to enjoy those biscuits before she passed on… On top of what they’ve informed her about her health. Given what she thought and felt, blood pressure was the least of her worries.
As for nursing homes, one of the ways to reduce the potential for abuse, neglect, or the above treatment, is to have a friend and family make frequent visits. If the family member works from home, only needs the internet, and could shift their base of operations to a corner in the room, that would be more ideal.
From my experience, nursing home staff tend to be more attentive to the family member’s needs when family is there and is able to advocate.
I agree, food is the last vice that I can enjoy, I may die a month sooner, but I am going to eat what I want and enjoy! I will also take myself out before they get me in the Home!!
Enjoy the Time we all have left!!
Welcome to the resistance! We have chocolate cake.
I’ll bring the ice cream. I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in. Hoping that, Doctor Doctor give me the news I got a bad case of loving blues. And pretty much, damn a buncha doctors. They call it practicing medicine for a reason. Went most of my life without having to deal with a bunch of chancre mechanics until recently. Gotten more and better advice from the nurses/PAs than the MDs.
Agree with Hondo for sure on the research thing. Every body and every drug is different, and will have different effects. A happy go lucky guy or gal will generally be a happy go lucky drunk. Pot head usu to just want to sit back, drink a little wine, listen to some tunes and not have any negative vibes.
A mushroom/LSD based drug better come with some serious “do not operate heavy equipment” warnings. Hospice has become a wonderfull thing of late.
Wasn’t really available in ’81 when cancer was eating Mama alive. They were pouring the morphine to her just to take the edge off. One of the docs had made the comment, “Well we don’t want her to get addicted to it.” The cancer finally ate its way deep enough into her brain that it killed some of the pain receptors and that’s how she got some relief.
Hospice will let you “wink wink nod nod” can we increase your pain meds a little more Mr/Mrs patient, and when you’re gone, collect the left overs. None of us really know how much time we may have left, but ol’ Doc Kervorkian (sp?) had the right idea. Just my experience/opinion.
What is the difference between God and a doctor??
God doesn’t think he is a doctor.
Ever since the VA Hospital took my tonsils out, any sweetness above mild tasted bitter.
I’ve read some accounts where people, who were close to passing, rejected solid foods. Might as well get an advance.
Shrooms for depression?
Sildenafil would be a better choice for men.
Not sure about women but if they hook up with the guy it may rub off on her.
“may rub off on her” We all saw what you did there! Bad dog!
I’ve read one of the case studies on this. It’s a one time thing in a guided therapy session. The couple of guys that did it have been symptom free since. If it helps someone stay off drugs or alcohol why not at least give it a try.
I’m with Hondo and the others with regards to scientific, responsible, testing of the above and other drugs… As well as who’d benefit. A reading of the literature (study) does tend to paint a different picture than what results regarding news reports and articles.
The pathophysiology has not been established.
And its all case study.
Post the study. And when yo do, read it closely….
exactly this, so far it’s all been case study and only a handful of subjects.
I’m no stranger to reading studies.
These studies tend to tell a different story than what has been reported.
I’d be more interested in reading a quantititive study covering this type of drug… Because then you could get into the weeds and see if there indeed is a statistical validity to what they’re claiming.
It’d also show methodology, limitations, etc., in order to provide better context.
I have the PTSD!
I take mushrooms. I’m cured! But wait…? No monthly check?!?!?
No 2nd Amendment rights?
* 2nd
Changed that for you. Or, did you mean, “Negligent Discharge” rights?
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