Weekend open thread

| May 25, 2018

May 25, 2018

Sunny Days

Off the coast of California, Your Shot photographer Adam Martin was rewarded for his patience. “I sat for 30 minutes and watched an explosion of color unfold before my eyes,” he says. “Bright orange Garibaldi, the state fish of California, bathed in the sunbeams on a warm and sunny day.”

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ChipNASA

NOT FIRST!!!! *SUCKERS*

Commissioner Wretched

Crapcrapcrap. I tried.

ChipNASA

I think Claw is going to have to call this one because I think it’s either Tallywhagger or Jon The Mechanic because I don’t think I qualify because I was being a smartass (on purpose). Also I am amazed that I got the post ahead of everyone else because the frecking Computer Admins changed our browser settings so that they don’t autofill any longer (assholes) and I have to type name and e-mail in every time for a post here now. Did I mention the IT guys are assholes.
THANKS ASSHOLES for making my job harder.

Tallywhagger

Well, should Claw so decide, I will yield my First to Commissioner Wretched as he really wants it. On that note, I pass the matter on to Jon The Mechanic 🙂

Claw

Nope, I don’t make the call on who got the first “First”. I’m only the recorder/maintainer of the Coveted Book of Firsts.

Refer all “First” rulings to either Daisy Cutter or 2/17 Air Cav as they have a better grasp on Robert’s Rules of Order than I do.

Thank You, That is all. ((Out))

2/17 Air Cav

There’s nothing to decide, really. The question to be answered is whether the initial comment in a WOT contains the word “First” or its non-Roman numerical equivalent, “1st.” If it does, then that maker’s entry is to be recorded in the Book of Firsts. Chip’s entry met that standard and, thus, he is first.

This ruling is final and not subject to appeal.

Tallywhagger

Works for me. Rules are rules. Sorry about that CW, better luck next weekend.

Commissioner Wretched

No worries, Tallywhagger, and I thank you for your kind gesture.

I’ll try again seven days from now.

Tallywhagger

Win, Place, or Show! First

Jon The Mechanic

FIRST!

Commissioner Wretched

First!~

ChipNASA

HAHAHAHAHAHAH
We all had to have done that within micro seconds of each other.

Commissioner Wretched

All in a day’s work, ChipNASA.

Jon The Mechanic

Ok people, lock and clear your F5 buttons, and keep them pointed up and down range until the safety clears them.

Good job everyone.

Tallywhagger

My finger’s still twitching.

Ex-PH2

Present and unaccountable for anything at all.

Awaiting the appearance of the cable guy to drop a new modem on me, as this one kipped out on me yesterday. It made me cry, too.

Jon The Mechanic

Sorry to hear about the modem Ex, I will pick up the slack and post a recipe for baked beans for those of us that are going to be enjoying friends and family over while we remember those who are no longer with us.

Old-Fashioned Baked Beans Recipe

Ingredients

1 pound dried navy beans
1-1/2 teaspoons salt
4 quarts cold water, divided
1 cup chopped red onion
1/2 cup molasses
6 bacon strips, cooked and crumbled
1/4 cup packed brown sugar
1 teaspoon ground mustard
1/4 teaspoon pepper

Directions

In a large saucepan or Dutch oven, bring beans, salt and 2 qt. water to a boil; boil for 2 minutes. Remove from the heat; let stand for 1 hour. Drain beans and discard liquid. Return beans to pan. Cover with remaining water; bring to a boil. Reduce heat; cover and simmer for 1-1/2 to 2 hours or until beans are tender. Drain, reserving liquid. In a greased 2-1/2 qt. baking dish, combine beans, 1 cup liquid, onion, molasses, bacon, brown sugar, mustard and pepper. Cover and bake at 325° for 3 to 3-1/2 hours or until beans are as thick as desired thickness, stirring occasionally. Add more of the reserved cooking liquid if needed. Yield: 12-16 servings.

AW1Ed

You had me at “Navy Beans.”

*grin*

Fjardeson

Damn that looks good, copied for use in the kitchen!

Ex-PH2

Thank you, Jon. That is awesome stuff! Add smoked sausage to the plate, cut up veggies, and go for the gusto.

This old modem hung me up twice this morning – not knocking me offline, just bogged itself down. My old tired computer couldn’t possibly have anything to do with that, eh? I have other changes to make, too, but one small thing at a time.

Frankie Cee

My computer system took a lightning strike on Tuesday. I was online at the time, and this was the first strike of that storm. My laptop survived, but accessories that I had plugged into an adjacent strip receptacle suffered. The receptacle died, as did the modem and router. Mediacom, my internet provider wanted to help me out by having me buy one from them. I am not wealthy enough to buy a modem from a provider, preferring to buy one elsewhere and put insurance on it. Now, I have a new Router, new Modem, and am back at it. I didn’t even lose the artwork that I was working on in Photoshop. I had several hours invested in a design for the graphics on a friend’s new truck, and really wouldn’t want to have to start over. I spent two hours today sharing data on 2 more thumb drives, so that I have plenty of backup to that which I want to keep. When the storm was moving into the area, I had all three of my big dogs next to me, and when the strike took out the receptacle with a very loud report, the dogs stumbled over each other trying to get out of the room.

2/17 Air Cav

I heard that one of your dogs told the others, “Will he ever learn to unplug shit when lightning is in the immediate area?” I also heard that later on, after the hit, two of dogs agreed that maybe you learned this time but that the third said, “Wanna bet?”

Commissioner Wretched

Well, since I didn’t make it to First again this week, here’s the week’s column of trivia and (alleged) humor. Hope you enjoy it. DID YOU KNOW…? Did a man really rob a bank just so he could go to jail and get away from his wife? By Commissioner Wretched It’s not easy, you know. Coming up with these opening words for the column, I mean. Not an easy task at all. I don’t understand how some writers do it. They get funny, or pathetic, or both, and they can do it with regularity. I can’t do it, and I think I’m a pretty creative guy. (At least I think I am … that comment alone could be pretty creative, though, couldn’t it?) Sometimes I stay awake late at night, thinking of what I can say here that would not only grab your attention, but make you think – or smile – or both, and then lead you on into reading the column. And when I say I stay awake, I mean it. I’m sometimes up until 9, 10 at night. (I’ve told you before how dull my life is, remember?) But this week, as the comedians say, “I got nothing.” So you’re going to have to go into the trivia without any kind of an introduction from me. You can suggest something to me, you know, by dropping a line to didyouknowcolumn@gmail.com and you’re guaranteed a reply. Well, now that I haven’t introduced the column this week, let’s get to the trivia! Did you know … … the inventor of the cylindrical cans which contain Pringle’s potato chips had some of his ashes buried in one? Fredric J. Baur (1919-2008) designed the packaging system for the specially-prepared stackable potato chips made by Pringle’s. When Baur died, his children honored his request to have some of his ashes buried in a Pringle’s can. (I had a joke here about barbecue flavor, but it would be in pretty bad taste, wouldn’t it?) … Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) once won a sight-reading piano contest in a most unusual way? Beethoven was challenged… Read more »

AW1Ed

Eight most dangerous military jobs, according to:

US Military.com

1. Explosive ordnance disposal (EOD)– These are the guys who are brought in to disarm an explosive device. Members of the EOD team are specially trained to disarm, build, destruct, and deploy explosives. Their job is to get them out before anyone gets hurt. They aren’t limited to roadside bombs; They are trained to destruct nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Members of the Explosive Ordnance Disposal are dealing with the weapons everyone else runs from.

2. Special Ops and Special Tactics– Special Ops members can be called out anytime, anywhere. Members carry out raids, clear mine fields, drop into hostile territory and gather vital intelligence. This may include Navy Seals, Marines Force Recon and Army Green Berets/Rangers.

3. Para-rescue- (Also a Special Ops unit) They are dropped into a combat zone to retrieve members in dangerous situations. They risk their lives to save others.

4. Combat medic– Combat medics will do many tours of duty in hostile territory. Medics accompany every group of soldiers and run to help them when they are in danger.

5. Supply truck drivers– When enemies are looking for a target, they set their sights on the supply trucks. Supply truck drivers can be carrying everything needed during war. They can carry food, fuel, weapons or ammunition.

6. Infantry– Infantry members are the feet on the ground, fighting an enemy face-to-face. They face the highest risk of injury and death. When we think of soldiers, this is who we see.

7. Rescue swimmer– Rescue swimmers plunge from a helicopter into the treacherous and unknown dangers in the seas below to save the life of a stranger. Rescue swimmers are sent after people in the middle of the day and during the darkest nights despite the weather and water conditions.

8. Helicopter pilots– Helicopters are an aerial target for enemies. Helicopters are used to attack tanks, carry soldiers, transport weapons and haul other loads. When the helicopter malfunctions, an error is made or is attacked my enemy fighter, the pilot goes down with his aircraft.

Claw

I would like to add one more to the list of dangerous occupations in America and that is:

Wolverine Milker – That stuff you buy at the GNC store doesn’t get into the bottle by itself.

Being a Wolverine Milker puts you into the “Tough as the back wall at a shooting gallery” category.

SFC D

Q- What’s meaner than a grizzly bear with herpes?

A- The badass sumbitch that gave it to him!

Sparks

BWAHAHAHA!

ChipNASA

I would like to add one more to the list of dangerous occupations in America and that is:

Dan Bernath’s Co-Pilot

AW1Ed

DB’s Co-Pilot, Nearer My God To Thee.

DB’s CP, Famous Last Words:

Is this duct tape necessary?
You DID check the gas, right?
How accurate is that phone’s GPS?
You didn’t really repair that yourself?
And finally,
“Mind if we play through?”

A Proud Infidel®™️

“Mechanic nothing, this bit of duct tape ought to do just fine!”

Sapper3307

A leaf on the wind?

NDHoosier

HELP WANTED: Elephant Circumciser

The pay isn’t great, but the tips are HUGE!

Devtun

The hits just keep on coming. More senior leadership gets canned w/ boilerplate statement “loss of confidence”.

https://www.stripes.com/news/marines-fire-commander-senior-enlisted-leader-at-california-light-armored-battalion-1.528878

rgr1480

The son of a Marine, Candelario graduated in 1994 from Davidson College with a Bachelor of Arts degree in History with a concentration in Gender Studies.

Whisky-Tango-Fox, over???

2/17 Air Cav

Some years ago…

“I need minorities! Do you hear me? I need racial, ethnic, and gender minorities! I don’t care where you get the. Just get them! No more white guys!”

Here’s one, sir. He’s perfect. Black. Gender Studies?

“Tell me he’s gay and you hit a grand slam.”

“I’ll check.”

Hack Stone

It’s better to have a degree in Gender Studies and not need it than need a degree in Gender Studies and not have it. As a commander of an LAR Battalion, I am sure that his degree was put to good use, such as ensuring that the toilet seats are in the down position when inspecting the barracks.

rgr1480

Hack Stone used to read the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, right?

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I’m a researcher …. that’s why I know!

Sparks

“a concentration in Gender Studies”

That and a cup of coffee will make you a Starbucks Barista.

NDHoosier

That alone will make you an SJW. No coffee needed.

thebesig

As of May 25, 2018, Dennis Howard Chevalier, a.k.a. Denny H Chevalier, phony Gulf War veteran, phony veteran, phony C-130 compass call pilot, phony SWAT veteran, phony retired USAF Lieutenant Colonel… That Dennis Howard Chevalier… Still was arrested on February 27, 2018, for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

He pointed a gun at his ex-wife and son, waved a loaded weapon around and pretended to shoot things, threatened an ex-fiancé with putting a round into her head, and then his arrest for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

They need to take this guy’s weapons away before he shoots someone.

Here is one link to one the details:

http://writer-cubed.blogspot.com/2018/05/dennis-h-chevalier-arrested-for.html

Just google “Dennis Chevalier arrested” to get additional details.

C2Show

DENNIS Chevalier is a shithead who doesn’t disappoint.

Guess he can forgot about that investigative service.

Sparks

18

Sparks

Oh to be 18 again and know a tenth of what I have learned. Sigh.

Jon The Mechanic

That makes two of us Sparks.

We grow too soon old, and too late smart.

Sparks

You said it Brother.

Ex-PH2

Ditto, what Jon the Mechanic said.

Sapper3307

I self identify as FIRST, so I got this.

NDHoosier

That conflicts with my self-identification as FIRST. STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEEE!

OTOH, we could all get participation trophies saying each of us is FIRST.

OWB

Nope. No participation trophies here, except those you carry in your heart. Ya know, because, like, we all just get along so well and never argue about anything.

And all that crap. But no participation trophies.

Perry Gaskill

Here’s some Memorial Day irony: The Sacramento Bee ran a STORY yesterday about how the military cemetery at the former fed-controlled Mare Island Naval Shipyard has fallen into ruin because it was turned over to the nearby City of Vallejo. Which has gone into bankruptcy.

Some of the veteran’s graves in the cemetery go back to the War of 1812, and at least three MOH holders are buried there. In an effort to effect repairs, Senator Diane Feinstein has introduced a bill which would designate Mare Island a DOD “training” site to get some funds.

Those who didn’t just fall off the turnip truck might remember that DiFi, along with her pal Barbara Boxer, had more than a small role in causing the sweeping base closures in California back when.

AW1Ed

Another school shooting.

CNN Link

At least three people were injured after a shooting Friday at a middle school in Noblesville, Indiana, officials said.

A suspect was in custody after what Indiana State Police earlier had called an active shooter incident at Noblesville West Middle School.

CPT11A

Well, my Iraq deployment for this fall got cancelled. Or more accurately, I got cancelled from it.

But I get to deploy to the Mexican border on Tuesday! On one hand, I’m excited, but on the other hand, we are not supposed to bring our OCIE, so I can’t imagine we’ll be doing anything too daring.

Oh well. Double paychecks has its benefits, I suppose…

SFC D

Drop by if you’re in the neighborhood. There’s always cerveza at D’s cantina

AW1Ed

AnotherPat

Last June, Jonn posted on TAH a story about Andrew Rosas, Richmond, VA, who turned himself in after being caught on camera setting fire to an American Flag at a home:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=73103

Here is the video of the low-life culprit burning our beloved Flag on a homeowner’s front porch:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/29/american-flag-burned-on-virginia-porch-caught-on-camera.html

Rosas was initially charged with a Felony of Arson of an Occupied Dwelling.

This past Thursday, 24 May 2018, Rosas pled GUILTY in the Richmond, Virginia Circuit Court.

The outcome? His Felony charges were dropped to Misdemeonar for Arson of Personal Property <$200. In other words, he was charged with intentionally burning the American Flag that belonged to someone else.

His punishment? He was sentenced to 12 months in Jail (not Prison), with 10 months suspended. In other words, he will spend 2 month in Jail
( perhaps the Richmond, VA City Jail).

Currently, VA Court Records show that he was not fined $$$, nor does it have the date his jail time starts:

http://www.courts.state.va.us/caseinfo/home.html

(After clicking link, scroll to "Circuit Court", then to " Case Information", then scroll to "Richmond City Circuit Court". Type in "Rosas, Andrew").

There are no updated news articles about this case.

OldCorpsTanker72

I had the extreme honor a few days ago of visiting with and interviewing a 93-year-oold WWII veteran. He was in Military Intelligence, and one of his jobs was doing aerial photo recon over the Normandy beaches on D-Day. Had some great stories, which we had to pry out of him. Hit by shrapnel twice, frostbitten twice, no Purple Hearts. But just to show you how this “Stolen Valor” thing can happen without anyone really trying: I was looking over his separation papers – a form 53-55 if that means anything to anyone – and on line 33, Decorations and Citations, along with his Good Conduct Medal and Belgium Fourragere, is this: “European-African-Middle Eastern Service Medal with 1 Silver Star” It would be very easy for great-grandson to see that and think that this man got a Silver Star, and put that in his obituary. I know he didn’t, you know he didn’t, he certainly knows he didn’t – but 98% of the people reading that paper would think he did.

NHSparky

Well, I managed to get through welcome aboard training, etc, without (hopefully) pissing anyone off.

Only complaint: travel home on a Friday of holiday weekend, and doubly so coming out of Boston airport. Should be home sometime in June.

David

Have had three flights in a row out of MHT get.me home at least a day late..?

2/17 Air Cav

Does anyone in his right mind watch ESPN any more? Those few who do may soon stop. You may know that ESPN’s president, a guy named Skipper of all things, was shit canned after his cocaine habit hit the press. And last year, Jemele Hill (that’s a female) called Trump a white supremacist and that was fine and dandy. Now, the worst sports idiot in the business is returning to ESPN. When he’s not calling Ivanka Trump a racist and neo-Nazi, he’s calling President Trump every name in the book. That’s right: Olbermann. ESPN must have a corporate death wish.

MrBill

If they’re broadcasting an actual sporting event that I want to see, sure. But the talk/commentary shows, no way. The only exception is “Around the Horn”, only because it’s often on when I’m at the gym; some of the regulars are pretty entertaining.

HMCS(FMF) ret

I read this earlier today about the troubles at ESPN – not a pretty picture when you let SJW commentary take over the network:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-weakened-espn-became-consumed-by-politics-1527176425

Sparks

ESPN has become BET.

Ex-PH2

Cable guy (a very pleasant young man) came to my kingdom and replaced all the fittings on my outdoorsy internet cable stuff. Modem’s okay, computer got confused about what I wanted it to do (well, it’s practically an antique, fer Pete’s sake) but did it anyway, and I have 1.75 gallons of cold iced tea, plus lemons so I am going to fix a chopped salad with ham and olive oid/lemon vinaigrette, and read a few more pages of Henry Miller’s ‘Colossus of Maroussi’, which is about his trip to Greece after WWI.
It is 86f/shade in my kingdom, but I have ice cream, iced tea, and plenty of lemons. I also put out fresh water for the birds and have petunias to transplant.
Life is good. Not exciting, but good.
And I’m putting the flag out tomorrow morning.

Claw

Speaking of flags, here’s your gentle reminder.

On Monday, the colors fly at half staff till noon, not all day.

AnotherPat

Thank you, Claw, for the reminder about flying the colors half mast on Monday. That was another reason I posted updated information on that Dirtball who burned a gentleman’s flag in Richmond, VA.

Thank you, also, on the update about “Killer” Killam, another Dirtball. Wonder if he is no longer working because of his bogus war stories.Always wonder if the 1st SEAC is still his enabler/buddy..😉

Wilted Willy

Hi All, managed to crawl out of bed to my computer, just wanted to wish all my friends here at TAH a very happy Memorial Day! They removed all the staples from my surgery on Monday, I have until June 18th before I can put any weight on my leg! Ex can post the xrays if she would like. I sure miss all of you folks everyday and can’t wait to get back in the saddle again! I hope to again flail my F5 key and get back into the first race once again. Wish you all the very best!
Take care,
Wilted Willy

AnotherPat

Welcome back, WW! Before you know it, you will be back on your feet and pounding away at the F5 key to regain your “First!” spot..Have a great well rested weekend…😊

Wilted Willy

Thank you kind Sir, I can’t wait to get back!

AW1Ed

Glad you’re back, Whiskey-Whiskey! Missed ya, and hope all goes smoothly here on for you.

Yef

Ok. Where is the MCPO Slab’s MOH discussion?

IDC SARC

Slab was awarded the MOH. End.

SFC D

Yef. Buffer, hallway, now. You’ll have to improvise, somebody got into your wax stash.

Jon The Mechanic

You mean this one that was posted by Jonn on the 24th?

http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=79609

Apparently, you have been huffing the floor wax instead of using it with your buffer.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Go FUCT yourself.

MCPO OUT

cc senor

I was way overdue for a haircut and today seemed like as good a time as any so I took care of that. During my hiatus from the barber’s chair the price increased by a couple of bucks. Being a creature of habit I doubt I’ll be switching to Super Cuts just to save a few bucks.

My first haircut in the Army cost all of 60 cents. So much for the “free” haircut everyone seemed to talk about back then. It all worked out because when I got to Germany haircuts were only 40 cents and the First Sergeant even sold tickets. The price only increased once during my tour and that was back to the reception station rate of 60 cents. The only free haircut I ever got was during Desert Storm with the company’s barber kit and the Group CSM doing the honors.

While my barber today trimmed my eyebrows and the hair in my ears and nostrils I once again reflected on the hot toc of Viet of the Nam. Almost invariably the haircut included shaving the forehead and earlobes. Not sure how much good that did since they almost always used the hell of their hand to strop the razor. Well, you get what you pay for and the price was only about 100P.

Delaney

Apparently nobody told ol’ Slab about the ISR footage:
“I can tell you, we left no one behind. No one. What I saw, what I experienced, I know that clearly that we didn’t leave anyone behind up there.”

I guess it’s not good enough that Navy high command held Chapman’s MOH hostage until Slabinski got his little participation trophy. No, he has to deny Chapman’s honor and sacrifice as well. He doesn’t even have the integrity and courage to acknowledge that Chapmam went down fighting hard.

What a grotesque travesty from top to bottom. The Navy has decided to crap all over the MOH and its recipients so that some SEAL’s don’t get their feel-feels hurt.

AW1Ed

So says the man who was not there.

2/17 Air Cav

I hate to see this. There is no question but that politics got involved and, as I’ve said before more than once, I rather loathe the upgrade business. Slabinski fought valiantly and nothing will ever convince me that he knowingly left Chapman or made a foolish call. I know that there was a delay in jump off and that the decision was made, for the sake of time, to put down on the mountain itself. I can’t put much stock in someone finding fault with that. I have to believe he did his best and his utmost. This was a noble mission but one that didn’t come with the luxury of time. Like all others here, I am sorry for the losses. I am also sorry that a CMOH recipient will be looked at sideways by some. I can’t change any of that, but I sure as hell wish I could.

11B-Mailclerk

Some folks are going to tattoo an asterisk on this one.

“Fog of war” is not just a trite saying. Nor is Murphy and Emperor Mong.

I just hope that the folks who are going to have their flame war at least do the respectful thing and cite reputable sources, etc, instead of just venting spleens.

It’s only the credibility of the freaking MOH at stake here. Nothing of major importance, right?

Delaney

Even if you believe Slabinski’s actions merit the award, what about his statements since?

He is clearly denying that Chapman merits the award. He is denying Chapman’s valor and honor. He is crapping all over the man he left behind. His complete lack of honor and integrity in making these statements make me very skeptical that he conducted himself appropriately when the chips were down.

11B-Mailclerk

Delany,

This will be the third time I ask you to cite sources, so folks can intelligently discuss the matter.

Either 1) cite some reputable sources
Or 2) stop shit-stirring with the -Medal of Honor-.

Because if number two is all you’ve got……

2/17 Air Cav

What benefit of doubt I gave you, I now rescind. Those are some crazy accusations to level. Here’s something to the contrary:

“Slabinski, asked about the possibility of Chapman fighting on after he was left, told Breaking Defense that there was no doubt in his mind that his friend was dead.

“But my first thought [on hearing of that possibility] was that it would be completely in John’s character to have done that. That was his DNA,” Slabinski said. “That was my whole team’s DNA. It’s not what I saw. Not what I experienced. But it was within John Chapman’s character to have done those things.” (WaPo)

That doesn’t sound like a man who is badmouthing a teammate. Instead, he is saying that Chapman’s fighting on against all odds was what he would think Chapman would do.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Wrong.

I know Slab.

He has provided statesments and evidence that has assisted in the upgrade to MoH.

Most of the negative comments here are all dead wrong.

Dave Ross

Maybe not, but if this our guy he sure as hell has the right to give his perspective.

http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/111206/ang-member-receives-silver-star-for-actions-in-afghanistan/

I could be wrong – if so I apologize now.

2/17 Air Cav

People named Delaney are on sex offender databases, too. Why would you suggest that this Delaney is the one who was awarded the Silver Star?

Dave Ross

Same tiny career path as Chapman. That’s why I suggested it.

OWB

Doesn’t have to be that guy to have the right to express his opinion. We all have that right. But, if you want to be taken seriously you really need to express your opinion in an appropriate way in an appropriate place.

Every time this Delaney demands that we pay attention just because he demands it at least a few of us become less likely to pay him any attention at all. That’s just human nature.

11B-Mailclerk

Delaney,

Those are some rather serious charges. Do you not feel even the -slightest- obligation to provide some links to any actual information or reports?

Are you claiming firsthand/there info? or repeating others? if repeat, please provide some citations. If firsthand, I suggest a quick consult with our host to establish bonafides.

Because otherwise you come off as some sort of grumpy crank.

Yef

I am surprised you never heard about the mega massive flame war between Navy and Air Force special dudes.

Quite a few nasty things were said. Made worst by MCPO Slab getting kicked out of team 6.

11B-Mailclerk

I have “heard” all sorts of stuff in many decades, much of it distorted and/or exaggerated.

Is it too much to ask that folks cite sources on -this- topic? Quote people actually involved.

Once upon a time, my job included awards. It included keepin my little piece of the system honest and trustable.

If you hold -any- value in the Medal, and those who wear it, then up your game.

Do -you- owe -them- any less?

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

NEVER HAPPENED.

PERIOD.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I WAS WITH ALL WEEKEND.

WHAT YOU SAY IS CRAP.

2/17 Air Cav

“[Slabinski] doesn’t even have the integrity and courage to acknowledge that Chapmam went down fighting hard.”

As the quote from him reveals below, Slabinski said that such a response was in Chapman’s DNA. So, your creds are poof.

2/17 Air Cav

Below? No. Above? Yes.

11B-Mailclerk

Why not leave flying inverted to the fixed-wing folks?

Delaney

A) Slabinski denies leaving Chapman behind. His denial is clear, unqualified, and took place yesterday. He explicitly rejects the idea that Chapman was alive when he ordered the retreat. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/24/trump-awards-medal-honor-to-navy-seal-for-controversial-mission-in-afghanistan.html

B) The AF upgrade package for Chapman is based on his actions following the ST6 retreat; Chapman had already received an Air Force Cross for his actions prior to the retreat.

A+B=C) Slabinski is denying Chapman’s valorous and courageous actions, and by extension, his MOH itself.

Regarding the ISR feed that forms the foundation of Chapman’s upgrade package:

In a 2016 interview with The New York Times, Mr. Slabinski voiced skepticism about the video’s accuracy and the technology used to analyze it. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/world/asia/seal-team-6-afghanistan-man-left-for-dead.html

Note also this change:

(2016): “I’m already 95 percent certain in my mind that he’s been killed”

(yesterday): “I can tell you, we left no one behind. No one.”

Apparently somebody let ol’ Slab know that you should probably at least pretend to have been sure that your teammate was dead before you left him in the middle of Afghanistan to be axe-murdered.

2/17 Air Cav

Well, “A” failed right off the bat. Slabinski is clear that on that fateful day atop the mountain, he did not–to his knowledge–leave Chapman alive. Think about it. Read it again. He is saying that when he left that mountain, he believed Chapman to be dead. If you want to read it that he’s saying no one was left on the mountain, then clearly there were men left on the mountain–none of whom was alive. You can’t have it both ways, that we should read it as if no one was left there, yet Chapman was left there.
Your logic is unique. Even IF A were true and B were true, the conclusion of C does not follow. You’re set in your view and you will not be moved so there’s no point in my going on with you regarding this. Good luck.

Yef

I don’t know. I see your point and I acknowledge it.

Maybe because I just came in in 2005 my standards are too high. Maybe because I am a child of unconventional warfare and I have never known what is like to face a near-peer enemy I have an idealized perception of the warrior ethos and of what my country and my fellow Soldiers, seniors, peers and subordinates alike, expect of me.

But I would never, fucking never, even at the cost of my own fuckin life, leave a fallen comrade behind.

This is not part of my thought process, this is not something I think about. It is just the way the Army built me as a Soldier. I can do no other. And in every fuckin deployment I have been in, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, my fellow Soldiers on my left and right have felt the same way, and we promised to haunt each other if we didn’t bring a body back for our families to bury.

If lowly infantrymen as me and my boys can see that, I expect better from a fuckin Navy SEAL.

Just my 2 funkin cents.

IDC SARC

Yef,

In the historic world of real situations faced by real warriors your internet twaddlespooting and self aggrandizement mean nothing.

Until your face that situation just STFU.

HMCS(FMF) ret

The more Yef opens his piehole, the stupider he looks….

Ex-PH2

I spent some time doing a little research on MIAs last night, while I was busy making notes on my ‘Dragon’ story, and I will add this to this mix of Delaney’s butthurtedness.

There are some 500 pilots and crewmembers still missing – MIAs, every one of them, for 13 to 15 flight crews including the pilots – from World War II, flying The Hump over the Himalayas from Burma to China with supplies.

Let me emphasize that; THEY ARE STILL MISSING.

It is unlikely, considering the environment and the time between then and now, that any remains will be found. Occasionally, some are found and recovered.

There are stil MIAs from the Korean War. The 2017 updated numbers are 3,960-3,828 (estimate).

And from Vietnam, the most recent update of MIA/unaccounted for is 1,598.

I do not know if Delaney has some real vested interest in Chapman’s fate, but it seems to me that Delaney decided to pick a quarrel over something, anything.

So, Delaney, unless you can provide me with solutions to finding the remains of those MIAs from WWII, Korea and Vietnam, and bringing them home, just stick it where the sun don’t shine.

Hack Stone

Hack Stone was poking around the television the other night, and came across The Johnny Carson Show on one of those retro channels. He was doing that Carnac The Magnificent skits, and the dialogue went something like this:

Johnny Carson/Carnac holds a sealed envelope up to his head and says “A retainer fee to represent you in court, your utmost respect, and clearance to land at Sister’s Airport.”

Ed MacMahon repeats “A retainer fee to represent you in court, your utmost respect, and clearance to land at Sister’s Airport.”

Johnny Carson/Carnac opens the envelope, unfolds the paper, and says “What are three things that you can’t give Daniel Bernath?”

2/17 Air Cav

Earlier today I was thinking about Admiral Zero and he showed up. I’m also thinking about Poetrooper. His first post here was six years ago last month. He’s having medical issues and I hope he’s fighting like the tough SOB that he is. It would be nice to have him back here.

2/17 Air Cav

Har-har-harvard gave Wide Load a medal for something or other and, in her speechifying, Wide Load said that we are suffering a crisis in democracy. Bwahahahahah. The country is doing great. The economy is booming. We are not anywhere near a full-scale or even a half-ass war. The media are finally getting theirs, being exposed for the manipulative, agenda-driven, lefty pukes that they are. Despite the previous efforts of the DOJ/FBI, the only collusion found involves Democrats and every few days we learn more about the attempted fix by the FBI. The services are cleaning house, getting rid of dead-wood and quota picks. And our republican democracy is in crisis? I guess I missed that.

A Proud Infidel®™

67rd and Honorary First yet again.

((((OVER))))

Frankie Cee

Well, the real veterans and other good citizens of the Nation will spend a few moments this weekend reflecting on those who have gone before us in service to their country, and then we will have lawn parties, parades and other events during this “War Memorial Day 2018.

Frankie Cee

While we honor those who have gone before us, there are posers who cannot be free to do the same. One, in particular, the Prolific Poser Kyle Christopher Barwan will be looking through barred windows at the fireworks, while smelling the BBQ smoke, and fellating Bubba, again, for the 4th time since wake up call. He is now scheduled for release on 12/24/18, provided he doesn’t lose his “good time”.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/offenderSearch/detail.aspx?Page=Detail&DCNumber=H50625&TypeSearch=AI

Roh-Dog

Present!
Have a good weekend y’all!

Graybeard

Present.
In relatively good health – mowed the yard in 90-degree heat today w/o passing out, so the heat exhaustion issues of a few years ago are over, thank God.

Fighting Medicaid and insurance companies ought to be part of the endurance training for SF, IMHO.

Without further ado, here is your occasional & irregular report:

TAH 2018 Phony Race
Report for 25MAY2018

Navy SEALs 46 –——–Scumbag Score 795
Green Beret/SF 16 –—–Scumbag Score 492
Marines 13 –————–Scumbag Score 372
Rangers 9 –—————Scumbag Sore 132
Unearned Awards 13 –—Scumbag Score 384
Vietnam Vets 7 –——–Scumbag Score 196
Combat/Deploy 5 –—–Scumbag Score 80
Navy –2 –————— Scumbag Score 12
Air Force –2 –———- Scumbag Score 45
Army –6 –————- Scumbag Score 46
Beirut Bombing –——2 Scumbag Score 54
AF ParaRescue –——-1 Scumbag Score 54
Military School –——-1 Scumbag Score 6

TAH 2018 Cranksteppers

Officers – 18
VA – 5
NCOs – 7
LEOs – 2
NY Firefighter – 1

TAH 2018 Heroes Scoreboard

Heroes – 52
Saving the World – 35
Gone Home – 59

Respectfully Submitted
Graybeard

Yef

I really appreciate the scores and the hard work keeping all this organized.
I recommend it to be bumped to the top of this page on every WOT.
Ok, perhaps after the First! celebrations.

Yef

Those scores keep everything in perspective.

A Proud Infidel®™

THAT’S IT Yef, GO TO BED, you have Weekend Police Call Duty!

11B-Mailclerk

Wha…?

That “perspective” comment made sense to me. Perhaps you should try the decaf?

OWB

Me, too! Anyway, it sure sounded like a compliment.

GDContractor

Have any of y’all seen this? Marine PA photo from MCRD San Diego. The comments are hilarious. From what I heard, the DI’s have nicknamed him Captain America. The kid has achieved cult hero status apparently.

https://www.facebook.com/mcrdsd/photos/a.2079212695439634.1073743107.119260821434841/2079212815439622/?type=3&theater&ifg=1

A Proud Infidel®™️

Looks like he just came from Auburn Alabama!

Yef

Oh pleez.

I just googled his as and I stopped reading at “and he enlisted from Albuquerque, New Mexico, to become a motor transport mechanic.”

Once again, the Marine Corp has the best PR team ever. Every civilian out thinks every Marine is an infantryman.

11B-Mailclerk

The Marines have PR that would be the envy of Stalin, according to Truman.

And that quip wasn’t a compliment.

Frankie Cee

There is a claim by the Marines that “Every Marine is an Infantryman”, since the change that requires all Marines to take the Infantry training course, no matter their final MOS.

Mick

You are correct, Frankie. ‘Every Marine a Rifleman’ And that’s not merely a Marine Corps ‘claim’; it’s a Marine Corps fact. I covered all of this in great detail for Yef last Saturday morning, but apparently Yef is too dense (and/or drunk) to absorb and comprehend the realities of Marine Corps training when the facts are presented to him. If Yef is still so excruciatingly butthurt over the whole ‘Every Marine a Rifleman’ concept that he needs to come in here constantly and cry about it every time that he gets a belly full of Bud Light, then that’s just too f*cking bad for Yef. From last Saturday morning: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=79521 ‘Mick says: May 19, 2018 at 7:55 am Yef: Coming in here late on Friday evening to try to lamely bash the Marine Corps again, eh? Hoping that none of the Marines here on TAH would see your post from last night? Is all of that Bud Light that you constantly brag about consuming giving you a raging case of Liquid Loudmouth again this weekend? Your anti-Marine (and anti-other services) bullshit here at TAH is getting old. In fact, you sound like you’re butthurt because you know that any Marine can step in at any time and do your job as an infantryman, but the only thing that you know how to do is to be an infantry leg. It goes without saying that you would be useless trying to repair a Marine F/A-18 aircraft engine or working in a Marine artillery FDC, but every single one of those Marines doing those jobs can pick up a rifle at a moment’s notice and do what you do on a daily basis. “Most civvies think all Marines are trigger squeezers, like if their only MOS was infantry.” That’s because every Marine is indeed actually trained as a ‘trigger squeezer’, Yef. Whether you like it or not, every Marine is first trained as an infantryman before moving on to follow-on MOS training. Every enlisted Marine is trained as an infantry Rifleman, and every new Marine officer is trained as an infantry platoon… Read more »

Mick

“Marine Corp”

Yeah, OK. Sure thing, soldier.

Have another Bud Light.

Yef

I can’t type for sheet after a coiple budlights.

A Proud Infidel®™️

THAT’S IT Yef, you’ve exceeded your limit and STAY AWAY FROM the floor wax! Did you clean your 1SG’s Office like you were supposed to?

HMCS(FMF) ret

He’s E-8 Moerk’s bytch… and brown nosing his way to an ARCOM.

Frankie Cee

Is Yef “brown nosing” his way into that vacant position with the DRG? They hadn’t filled it, last I knew.

HMCS(FMF) ret

It wouldn’t surprise me, Frankie, if Yef is a close family member of LoNgDoNgSlUrPeTh41…

Ex-PH2

Yef, just go and have a nice lie-down and leave the rubbing alcohol alone.

A Proud Infidel®™

GOD HELP US and our IQ’s if he decides to hit MD20/20, Night Train or use T-Bird as a beverage instead of the floor stripper it was intended to be!

NDHoosier

Even if you hide the MD, Night Train, and T-Bird, what is to say he won’t avail himself of several 40-ouncers?

rgr1480

What’s with the crossed arms? Two are at the position of attention, everybody with crossed arms. Is this a Marine Thinge?

OWB

Wondered about that, too. Looked kinda weird.

Sparks

I figure the crossed arms were caught scratching their balls.

Frankie Cee

Kyle Barwan, the serial scammer, making false military claims, has been in prison all year, and has been moved to the “Reception and Medical Facility, Florida Department of Corrections”. He is either sick, suicidal, or headed to the main prison at Raiford. Or possibly just getting his asshole rebushed, (<<They do that, don't they?)
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/offenderSearch/detail.aspx?Page=Detail&DCNumber=H50625&TypeSearch=AI

Claw

“asshole rebushed”

It’s a fairly common procedure now amongst prison beeyotches. What happens is a 10 pound ham is pushed into the oversized anal orifice and then the bone is removed leaving an all new asshole that has a life expectancy of about 5-10 years before rebushing is required./smile

Frankie Cee

I had been curious about the procedure, but you have explained it in easy to understand “layman’s terms”. Thank you so much.

Claw

You’re very welcome, Frankie.

It’s my understanding that particular “rebushing” procedure has been performed on middle-aged hookers who have reached their shelf life expiration date for almost a hundred years now./smile

Ex-PH2

The flag is out in front of my house in the flagpole holder.

Frankie Cee

Mine flies, (lighted), year round, with one or another different flag flying beneath. For this weekend, (and some other dates), I remove the lower flag and only fly the flag of the United States of America.

Sparks

Thank you Ex-PH2. Always brings a somber remembrance to me.

AW1Ed

Thank you.

OWB

Will be replacing the worn flag with a new one sometime this weekend. Not sure when – my plans have been disrupted by the sinus/allergy/all stuffed up with a fever garbage.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

The MCPO family are on our way to Arlington National Cemetary. Many who attended all the MoH events are doing the same.

God Bless all who rest at Arlington.

MCPO OUT

Devtun

4th man to walk on the moon, Ret. Navy CAPT Alan Bean, passes at age 86.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/26/obituaries/alan-bean-astronaut-dies.html

HMCS(FMF) ret

He was a pretty good artist…

http://www.alanbean.com

There are only four men that have walked on the moon still alive:

Buzz Aldrin
Dave Scott
Charlie Duke
Harrison “Jack” Schmidt

Sparks

Sad news indeed. I heard him speak once and he was a gracious and humble man.

2/17 Air Cav

This is a scream. It comes out of that roofless nuthouse, Portland. A bar held a reparations happy hour. White people were not allowed but mainly funded the gathering. Black patrons were handed $10 as they entered. An economist quoted in the linked article below said that reparations would “restore the black community to the economic position it would have had if it had not been subjected to slavery and discrimination.” You could make this shit up but who would believe it? Let’s see, if there had not been slavery, then some slaves would have had a 400 square foot mud huts by now, although most would have had the 50 sq ft variety. Oh, and spears. Their spears were confiscated. So, let’s do this. Every black person who can trace his being here to slavery gets a 200 sq ft mud hut and a spear. Sounds fair to me.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/27/reparations-happy-hour-invites-white-people-to-pay-for-drinks.html

26Limabeans

I was looking at an ad for a 520 sq ft Condo in LaConia NH. Two bedroom at that.
$159K
Live free or die?

NHSparky

Tourist/ski town.

You think that’s bad, try downtown Portsmouth.

Ex-PH2

I have relatives who fought on the Union side in the Civil War. I don’t owe “reparations” to anyone and would not only decline this trash, but would be inclined to give those maroons a piece of my mind.

thebesig

My great great grandfather fought on the Union side, was in one of the units that Ulysses S. Grant had under his command in the early part of the war.

I remind people that reparations have been paid in full, through the blood, sweat, sacrifice, etc., of the federal Soldiers.

A Proud Infidel®™

I myself have at least two great-Great grandfathers who fought for the Union in The Civil War, but have I ever heard a “Thanks” from the left? FUCKETY-FUCK NO, they’re still attention-whoring with their white guilt campaigns, fuck-em all!!!

Hack Stone

How does it work if you are biracial? Are you still entitled to the full $10, or is it prorated? What about Barrack Obama? He is biracial, and his father came from Africa in the 1960’s on a scholarship apparently to knock up as many white college girls as possible then abandon his children. That was almost 100 years after slavery ended. Given those circumstances, would Barrack Obama be entitled to the $10?

2/17 Air Cav

That guy you mentioned is a case in point. Consider him and his uncle. Neither was subject to slavery and both were free to pursue their dreams on different continents. One became the leader of the free world (in title) and raked in millions for doing nothing and received the Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing while the other lived in a hut with a dirt floor.

11B-Mailclerk

Trump shakes hands with 1000+ Navy graduates:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/did_you_know_that_president_trump_stood_on_concrete_in_the_hot_sun_and_shook_the_hand_of_every_single_naval_academy_graduate.html

For 71 year old man to stand on concrete, in a suit, in the sun, for 90 minutes is significant.

For a man supposedly a major “germaphobe” who dislikes shaking hands, and presumably has at least the usual “wear and tear” arthritis, that is a pretty yuge “can do” attitude.

We chose well.

26Limabeans

And he palmed each one a C-note.

Ex-PH2

Yes, we chose well, but until the lefterds get the hair out of their behinds, the good stuff will get shunted off to the side.

Something has to happen to scare the lefterds to death.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

After reading all the crap by Yef and Delaney … I need a box of # 2 pencils to break … one by one.

Sparks

The 15th year I have watched the “Band of Brothers” series on Memorial Day weekend. It never, ever fails to humble me.