Concealed carry bill moving towards a vote
Fox News reports that a bill to make it easier to carry concealed weapons across state lines is closer to a vote in the House this week. The bill, which has some bi-partisan support, clarifies the mess of regulations that law-abiding citizens must navigate when they travel across the country.
“All I’m saying is, when I cross the state line, I don’t want to automatically become a criminal,” [Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C.] said.
The three-term congressman also is quick to point out the measure does not attempt to usurp state and local authority with federal law, nor does it ease background checks on gun purchases.
The bill has 213 cosponsors, including three Democrats, and backing from 24 state attorneys general.
Hudson has tried for several years to get his Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act passed and scored a victory several days ago when it got through the House Judiciary Committee.
The bill may get to a vote tomorrow. I’m sure my Senator, Joe Manchin will support the bill when it gets to that House, seein’s how he introduced it in the Senate just prior to his new-found friendship with Chuck Schumer and before the Newtown tragedy.
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I’ll be shocked if it makes it through the Senate. To expect that a group who failed to find the votes to repeal the ACA, despite years of being elected and re-elected based on repeal promises, something new and controversial is a bridge too far.
Not a snowball’s chance in hell either of my worthless Senators will vote for it- it’s the PRofMD after all.
Same with my two libtard Senators Shaheen and Hassan, despite it being nearly the kiss of death here to be a gun-grabber.
Voters have very short memories and these two clowns don’t come up for reelection until 2020 and 2022, respectively.
As is the case with the two bosses of La Famiglia Democratica della California.
Got a couple of a.h. RINOS here too! McCain and the FLAKE!!
Same in Massachusetts. Conservatives have no voice in this commonwealth. Hell, you can’t even carry ammunition into MA without a state issued FID.
To get an FID you have to take a hunter safety course. Nothing wrong with taking a hunter safety course but, still, some of us have been hunters as well trained marksmen complements of the federal government.
Ah well, at least we have Senatoress SquawSnatch of the High Cheek Tribe and one of last of the great polyester wearing disco dudes in Mr. Markey.
You mean Mz Walking Eagle? Big Bird too full of shyt to fly?
Same here, not a chance that Stabenow and Peters will vote for it.
Problem with this is they merged it with the NICS fix bill. There is some disturbing wording in the NICS bill that could cause problems down the road. I guess every silver lining has its clouds.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/04/rep-thomas-massie-sounds-warning-house-leaders-to-merge-obama-style-gun-control-with-national-reciprocity/
This is, I take it, a wait-and-see endeavor.
Oh, well, it’s the thought that counts… isn’t it?
If passed and signed, expect some …. creative push-back from the anti-free jurisdictions.
If I am not mistaken, the bill requires that the person utilizing reciprocity to obey all local laws. The anti-free jurisdictions will likely point out that local law does not permit them to carry, thus while the state will recognize that they do have a permit to carry, there is no place in the state/jurisdiction where local law allows carry.
Example – many CCW/CHP jurisdictions bar carry by intoxicated persons, or in certain restricted areas like government buildings or bars. If your state has no such provision, and a currently-reciprocal state does, you cant carry in the local prohibited areas even if you could back home. Restaurants that serve alcohol can be a particular tripping point if one fails to read the fine print not he local laws.
So The peoples Democratic State of Krasnya might be required to recognize your carry permit, but then pass a law that explicitly states that out-of-state permits are only valid in private homes owned by the permit holder, or only on indoor gun ranges with walls thicker than one foot, unless you obtain the local version of the permit with training, certification, bigwig approval, etc.
“Sure, you have a permit. But you still cant carry in this particular place, per our laws. Should have read up on them like the fed law says. We have a nice cell waiting for you.”
Just wait. The anti-s will booby trap the local laws to make some examples that may not stop carry, but will tend to … discourage anyone from doing so.
“Detain until verified” will be one. “Implied consent to search” will be another.
Until thus gets a SCOTUS verdict of “it is a right, not a privilege”, expect the Dems to use the usual poll tax, literacy test, -not you- Jim Crow laws they always have used for discrimination.
But this reciprocity law is a -wonderful- step in the right direction, and will force the anti-free types to overplay thier corrupt hands.
Here you cannot carry if you have had so much as a single beer. You can carry in places that sell alcohol, but you can’t carry if the establishment gets 51% of it’s revenue from the selling alcohol for consumption on the premises. So you can carry in a liquor store, but not in a bar.
Sounds like Texas, and those laws make perfect sense. Guns and booze, old Western movies aside, don’t mix. At. All.
Flip side of that law:
Why should sober people get beat up or killed by drunks?
Plenty of times I have been sober in a bar, like all the times I am designated driver for friends. Plenty of times when I am not drinking in a restaurant, like every single time, as I do not drink. Why should I be denied a right to defend myself just because some fool cant hold his sauce, and thinks it is ok thus to become violent on me?
11B-Mailclerk,
The 51% law, at least in Texas, applies to an establishment which earns 51% or more of it’s profit from the sale and consumption of alcohol.
The business in question must, again in Texas law, post that fact at the entrance(s) to the establishment for all to see.
So, a restraint which does sell alcohol for consumption on-site, but which does not receive 51% of its income from the sale of alcohol consumed on-site, is a place where one who has a LTC may legally carry unless they have posted the “30-06” or “30-07” legal notice(s).
(30-06=no concealed carry, 30-07=no open carry)
A bar, ice-house, or dance hall would most likely be a place where one would see a 51% sign. If one were the designated driver for a group going to such an establishment one would have to leave the pistol in the vehicle, to be retrieved upon return.
Hope this helps clarify how the 51% law works in Texas.
Thanks. I do understand it. I also object to the assumption that people going about their peaceful business must accept violence from drunks, arbitrarily. And that is the net effect of that law. The sober person should not be restricted simply because there is a higher likelihood of receiving violence from an idiot.
That does sound like Texas, and I agree it makes sense.
Being from Texas (have I ever mentioned that before?) I’ve kinda grown use to being able to travel for hundreds of miles and have the same laws apply.
When I took a trip to visit friends in the Peoples’ Republic of Connecticut and realized we were going through several states an hour, each with their own laws restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, a slight bit of wariness (paranoia) set in. For those folks, I can see how a Federally established standard could protect citizens from the phobias and tyranny of local bureaucrats.
Yep. Anymore, if I have to leave Texas to do it, then it’s probably not worth leaving Texas to do it.
Amen, GDC.
Not just states. We RV all over the US and often stay at military campgrounds. I’ve given up having a weapon on board because of the hassle from the states AND the military. Some of the Post/Base stories are wild: get a MP escort from the gate to an arms room; required to report to arms room for inventory at 0800 and 1700; sometimes can only stay 1 night.
Unfortunately this is an area which screams for Federal unification of state laws – which would mean pushing a Federal standard down some states’ throats. I don’t know the law, so I am just speculating that somewhere in the lawbooks there is a list that says “In order to have a 50 states compliant driver’s license there must be a written and a driving test, that the candidate be at least Z years old and must demonstrate proficiency in XX and YY” etc. It might hit some of the so-called Constitutional carry states which permit open and/or concealed carry without restrictions, forcing them to adopt tougher standards (not necessarily a bad thing – some folks NEED training.)
On a side note, isn’t it interesting that the places screaming “States Rights!” loudest over universal carry reciprocity are the same folks who say “abortion law is Federal and above any state law!”
David, are you suggesting that leftists are liars and hypocrites? Say it ain’t so….
/sarc
If you point that out to The Insane Ones, they will scream back at you:
“That’s different because shut up! you fascist homophobic Islamophobic patriarchal white-priviledge oppressor [or “Uncle Tom race-traitor”].”
Wonder why so few people listen to them anymore.
Unfortunately, here in PA, the majority of the state welcomes guns, but Philly is the arsehole which controls the dog. Our pols will NEVER go along. Sorry. Wish we could redraw state lines as easily as they redraw voting districts–I’d make NYC, NJ, and Philly one state on their own, and free PA and NY. Dreams.
Kinda makes you wish for an added state… leave the original New York, Massachusetts,California etc intact outside the cities and make a single new state of SanFranLosAngelesDenverNYCBostonChiPhilly etc. They can pass whatever silly-ass laws they want… but remove their control from otherwise sane populations upstate.
Who would fund their schemes?
Build the wall … around Blue cities!
Just goes to show that if we do decide to have a Convention of States to approve amendments to the Consitution, a good one to consider would be a requirement that the office of Governor be decided by an Electoral College similar to the US one, on the basis of counties.
Wouldn’t -that- throw a monkeywrench into various political machine conquests of states via a corrupt city or three…….
How about back to the Medieval city-state thingie? Wall up the cities and charge the occupants a tax for exiting and entering, tax to go to the counties outside the city-state walls.
All deliveries (food, goods, fuel, etc.) to be delivered at the loading docks, entries at the walls only, no trucks go inside. Commuters who live outside the city-state walls travel on rail lines to a terminal and board a bus to the work place, but do not pay the tax to enter or leave. Proof of address required, of course, kind of like a passport.
Occupants of cities get to vote in elections, of course, but the votes are combined into a single vote, so that the population of the rest of the state has a stronger (louder) voice.
Oh, wait – that sounds like that soybean movie or something. Or maybe that escape from lalaland movie.
I can see that happening some day.
I looked at a used P228 in N.H today, don’t tell my wife.
I’ll call her right now.
Upstate or down?
Whitefield has a great gun store. Recently purchsed by an 11B.
Did not know these were avaiable.
Looks like a nice improvement. Like my 92FS but the grips are uncomfortable.
Wonder if it would fit my SERPA drop holster.
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/m9a3-details/
Yup! and I wandered the new tool store on the way home.
Shopped Stan and Sandy when they opened many a year ago. It was getting tight when trying to retire. Glad they could find a worthy buyer. Don’t get up in that AO as much as would like. You North of Groveton?
Back when I was a NH resident, I used to hit Riley’s in Hooksett. They always had a stash of police turn-ins at a reasonable price.
Kittery has a great selection, but way overpriced.
I usually hit Coyote Creek when I’m in the market for a new bangstick.
I often eat in Applebees in the bar area but not seated at the actual bar along with other sports bars. In Florida, it is a no no to carry concealed in the bar area. I’m no kid or one of those Floridian concealed carry irrisponsable people that have no business carrying a fire arm. I will not get involved in any situation unless there is a danger of loss of life in a mall/store,etc. I use a contract post office which is not a Federal structure so I carry in there. I also carry in malls even though there are signs on the doors with the usual no fire arms including CCP’S. Carrying a fire arm for 37 years made me a very responsible person so unlike the peeps I mentioned above, I carry everywhere except the Fed places, schools, court houses, etc.
Jeff LPH,
Where in Florida do you see signs banning firearms in the mall?
I live in Palm Beach and have been to all the local malls
I have never seen a sign prohibiting guns anywhere down here
If there were such a sign, they do not carry the force of law
If someone were to see your concealed gun, and the manager asked you leave because of it, then you have to leave or face arrest for trespassing
I carry everywhere down here
I do not frequent the ccw prohibited courthouses, bars or jails
Doc, when I first moved down here, the Boynton Beach mall had the sign on the side wall with what not to do in the mall, like skate boarding, no concealed fire arms etc.The Mall on Glades Road in Boca had the same thing. Now I will say that the last time I was at the Boca mall which was aroun two weeks ago, I did not see any sign on the wall or door entrance. Maybe during the re construction the signs were not put on. Like the above I just mentioned, took place back in 2007 when I moved down here. I never really looked again. I again ASSUMED the signs were still there and again, I got into trouble by letting my mouth write a check that my ass couldn’t cancel. Sorry about that Doc.