IVAW war stories! (From 1776?)
Have I made it clear how much I love IVAW? Seriously, they could write that the sky was blue, and I would contact 3 meteorologists and an astronomer.
Luckily, they are usually so retarded I don’t even need to look. They are about to have a Winter Soldier: Germany. And, look what it says there:
The words “Winter Soldier” were inspired by Thomas Paine in Valley Forge at a time when America was a revolutionary country, a revolutionary concept, and the soldiers of the revolution were freezing and starving outside of Philadelphia.
“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country;
Um. Yeah. Couple problems there history buff. “Winter Soldier” comes from Thomas Paine’s Common Sense*, written in January, 1776. America you may recall would not declare her independance for another 6 months. If Thomas Paine wrote it from Valley Forge, he was pretty damn lonely, since the Continental troops wouldn’t be there for another 2 years. Also, if there were any troops starving and freezing outside Philly, it was likely because they pulled an IVAW, since at the time the Continental Army was invading Canada.
*Update, amazingly, ArmySergeant corrected me. This was from “Crisis” which still doesn’t fix the larger issue since this was written in Dec of 1776, (still a year early) and teh army was at that time was IN Philly. (2x correction). However, kudos to Ms AS.
Category: Politics
Aw cmon, Why should facts get in the way of a Blue Falcon fable?
Actually, I hate to be the one to rain on your correction of the IVAW facts, but I have to correct the corrector. The Winter Soldier reference didn’t come from Common Sense (which I actually own a copy of, and am staring at it while I write. Damn good read.) but from the Crisis pamphlet.
Jonn wrote: The link; http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/crisis/c-01.htm and tell your historian buddy that the Summer soldier metaphor had nothing to do with the weather. Paine was trying to steel the spines of American revolutionaries disillusioned from the loss of New York – not a cold winter.
Nor does it have anything to do with IVAW. Paine was trying to convince Americans to continue the war in spite of failures. IVAW is trying to convince Americans to end the war in spite of victories. See, the difference?
You really should call it “Sunshine Patriots” – that’s what Paine would call you.
Right AS, written in Dec 1776, but still before Valley Forge
“Crisis” was written in December of 1776, and quoted by George Washington when he addressed the troops prior to the Delaware Crossing:
http://www.ushistory.org/washingtoncrossing/reenactment/bravefellows.htm
“What we obtain too cheap we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value.”
Was Paine referring to the anti-revolutionary war factions of the time…
TSO Wrote: Couldn’t afford to do that with an army today, the tolls would kill you.
Now, if the folks at IVAW, or any related ilk want a RevWar hero that they could get behind, they ought to throw down for Paul Revere. You’ll rarely read about it in the history books, but Revere was hauled before Congress and nearly cashiered (and worse)for his part in the Penobscot Expedition.
Cowardice in the face of the enemy, abandoning troops, failing to render assistance, protecting his own life and property while allowing government property he was tasked to protect to be lost, etc.
It’s a sorry story to read, especially about so storied a man, but well in keeping with the standards set by IVAW, VVAW, VFP, Etc.
respects,
What will IVAW do when their GITMO Chapter closes?
What other chapters gets credit for membership? Or will IVAW National just keep their dues?
I cannot believe that a Non-Commissioned Officer in the USA is a member of ivaw. And is MI. Man whats up with her chain of command? Can’t believe she hasn’t her clearance revoked. Just ramblin.
I’ve been investigated and was cleared. IVAW is not an illegal organization. For the three billionth time. I should make a freaking post.
Bet your employer really loves what they advocate.
I remember it like it was yesterday, man. Me and George Patton where sitting there on the banks of the Chang Jiang River, waiting on the Redcoats to drift by in their landing craft. George quoted a few lines from Sun Tzu…sic semper tyrannis…I’ll never forget that shit…chilled me to the bone. I said to George, “G…that’s hardcore, my brotha.” He just jacked the bolt back on his 3-band Enfield and got ready to rock those limey bastards with a hail of .68 caliber rain. He weren’t in it for nothing but the killin’. That’s when I knew that this war was total shit…no blood for tea, man…no blood for tea.
PVT Jesse Joshua McBadass
1st Continental Black-ops Rangers
Washington’s Brigade Platoon
The blog that guys is using is the same one that my private one is on too. So I think I am going to reply to his post just to pass the time.
Claymore,
You are too good at that. 🙂 You’d best be careful or those guy’s be trying to get you to ghost write their stuff.
It is always nice to see an independent source of agreement:
The last thing a member of the IVAW is, is a “Winter Soldier.” Their stories are near all that of abandoning the Mission, of finding the battle too difficult, the task too hard, the risks too great.
The VFF should rename their organization “Winter Soldiers” since they actually qualify under the definition provided by the IVAW.
The IVAW could then change their name to C&D: Cowards and Deserters.
WOTN,
VFP is run by the elderly Vietnam Veterans Against the War, guys who are too ashamed to say “VVAW” and therefore hide under the VFP rock like the cockroaches they are.
IVAW was stood up by these freaks at their 2004 VFP Convention. There was even Jane Fonda involvement on the early formation of IVAW.
When you look at all the IVAW protests, they are ALL re-enactoments of VVAW events from the 60s/70s.
I’m a fifth-grade teacher in Colorado, and an intrical part of teaching civics is providing students with our primary sources: the founding documents. This is critical in understanding what “We the People” really means. Today, as they did over 230 years ago, those documents instill in students the belief that all our voices are important. Everyone of our citizens are given the right to pursue liberty. Futures do not have to be inevitable and “Little voices” can make dramatic impacts on events. That is Thomas Paine’s greatest contribution to our country. His pamphlet, Common Sense, spoke to all the voices in the 13 colonies during a time of great fear and indecision. He gave a vast number of citizens a vision of what each could do, 176 days before the Declaration of Independence. A belief that power should radiate from the citizens. That message is still paramount to all our students today. For that pamphlet alone, Paine needs to be recognized as a intrical part of the American miracle.
Mark Wilensky,
author of “The Elementary Common Sense of Thomas Paine: An Interactive Adaptation for All Ages”
http://www.NewCommonSenseBook.com
I’m a fifth-grade teacher in Colorado, and an intrical part of teaching civics is providing students with our primary sources: the founding documents. This is critical in understanding what “We the People” really means. Today, as they did over 230 years ago, those documents instill in students the belief that all our voices are important. Everyone of our citizens are given the right to pursue liberty. Futures do not have to be inevitable and “Little voices” can make dramatic impacts on events. That is Thomas Paine’s greatest contribution to our country. His pamphlet, Common Sense, spoke to all the voices in the 13 colonies during a time of great fear and indecision. He gave a vast number of citizens a vision of what each could do, 176 days before the Declaration of Independence. A belief that power should radiate from the citizens. That message is still paramount to all our students today. For that pamphlet alone, Paine needs to be recognized as a intrical part of the American miracle.
Mark Wilensky,
author of “The Elementary Common Sense of Thomas Paine: An Interactive Adaptation for All Ages”
Paine needs to be recognized as a intrical part of the American miracle.
General Washington cleverly used Paine’s material to motivate his troops before marching to Trenton to get some Hessian a**.
He definitely was channeling the belief that the power of Pain’s work radiated from the tips of his soldiers weapons.
*that almost sounds porno*