North Korea makes nuke missiles
According to the Washington Post, the Defense Intelligence Agency discovered that North Korea is making warheads for their missile fleet.
The analysis, completed last month by the Defense Intelligence Agency, comes on the heels of another intelligence assessment that sharply raises the official estimate for the total number of bombs in the communist country’s atomic arsenal. The United States calculated last month that up to 60 nuclear weapons are now controlled by North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Some independent experts think the number is much smaller.
The findings are likely to deepen concerns about an evolving North Korean military threat that appears to be advancing far more rapidly than many experts had predicted. U.S. officials concluded last month that Pyongyang is also outpacing expectations in its effort to build an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of striking the American mainland.
According to CNN, President Trump is meeting the threat with his usual bluster;
“North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen… he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before,” he said.
Trump’s harsh words come as US intelligence analysts have assessed that North Korea has produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead, according to multiple sources familiar with the analysis of North Korea’s missile and nuclear program.
Soon after Trump’s comments, North Korea issued a statement saying it was “examining the operational plan” to strike areas around the US territory of Guam in the Pacific, including the Andersen Air Force base.
China appears to be trying to ratchet back the rhetoric and Japan seems to approve of a strong US response, but stock markets in Japan and South Korea tumbled after the rhetorical exchange.
Category: North Korea
Well, crap. They’re also working on their version of an H-bomb, the Big One. Words won’t stop this idiot’s path of destruction.
It’s like he is singing that old Molly Hatchet song…”I running down the road, I’m flirting with disaster…”
There are US ship around that phat little demonic bastard…every rocket the retard sends up, send up one of ours to blast it out of the sky right over phat boi’s house!!
Wow…all this upgrade in nuclear capabilities sine 21 Jan 2017. I bet HC would not have let this happen, it’s all President Trump’s fault. (yes, this is sarcasm).
I don’t think anyone is blaming President Trump for this. And while this may be an unpopular opinion among his detractors, this is one area where I think Clinton would fare worse than Trump. Not because I think she’s incompetent, but rather she’s so political she would try the same approach so many other politicians have done – kick the can down the road and let someone else deal with it. But you can’t really do that when NK is making massive improvements in deliverable weapons.
President Trump seems less beholden to this approach since he isn’t a politician.
Another issue for HRC if she was i charge is the fact that a lot of this problem, specifically the initial acquisition of nukes came due to the incompetence/ corruption of her husband..
On a different note LC, what happened to that beer?
I don’t know if we can blame Bill Clinton exclusively; NK was determined to get nukes, and every President has, in my opinion, tried mitigating the speed with which they acquire them, but that’s just merely delaying the inevitable. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens now. There’s still plenty of questions, even if the DIA report is true, about their ability to deliver a warhead, but it’s not exactly something you want to wait and see happen before you tackle the problem.
(And much as I’m happy Clinton isn’t President for the reasons above, I think President Trump’s lack of impulse control and poor attention to detail aren’t exactly strengths in this either! It’s going to be an interesting few weeks for sure.)
As for the beer, I’m definitely still up for it! I just got back from some travel and I’m catching up on things here. Maybe in a few short weeks? I’m buying. 😉
Sounds good, Jonn can give you my email, lets figure something out
The DPRK can, right now, today, deliver nuclear weapons to any US port, on either coast, by re-flagged ship.
Today.
Now they are working on -improving- their delivery method, increasing the yield of the weapons, and producing miniaturized ones for better missile delivery, and ultimately MIRV delivery.
Assuming we detected and destroyed such a ship just outside the 12 mile limit, the resultant flash, fireball, and mushroom cloud would be visible from the US coast, especially if the approach was at night, and would start a panic the likes of which this country has never seen.
We survive such a war, and nuclear war it would be, and reduce the DPRK to a crematorium, and possibly any associated idiots. But the resultant mess would be…. grim.
She bears some of the responsibility as well, having been SecState, well, when she wasn’t handing stupid bullshit buttons out to the Russians or selling them our Uranium.
You think any of that uranium might have found its way into nork hands via deals with the Russians?
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
LC, my main point was this advancement in both missile and warhead technology did not just happen. The Trump comment was kind of through back to blaming Pres W Busch for the 9/11 attacks.
A shit-hole country does not just develop these technologies on its own. Who helped? How much did we know and when? What did we gain by doing nothing?
Yes, this mess has been brewing for a while, the can kicked down the road by a few presidents. I’m not sure what the correct response is or should been, a pre-emptive strike like the Israelis did when posed with a nuclear neighbor? I’m pretty sure allowing them to strike first, anywhere, and then replying would be worse than suffering “outrage” in the world of public opinion of a pre-emptive strike. If we’re waiting for them to launch, I sure hope our missile shield defense is up to the task. But I’d sure hate to show our cards to the world for this piss-ant when we could (I hope and believe) take him and his nukes out without much effort.
And I agree, “President Trump seems less beholden to this approach since he isn’t a politician.” And just as important, his SecDef is definitely not a politician.
The hilldabitch would talk to bubba the pedophile pervert and he would tell her to take fists full of money and give it to the demonic little phat shyt! worked for bubba!
My memory is sometimes off a bit but I think it just two or three years ago that we were assured the Norks could not produce a nuke sized to fit on an ICBM in less than 10 years.
I’m not sure where they got the guidance technology either.
Iran, Pakistan, China, Russia, anyone else who dislikes the US and wants to keep us distracted. Then there are the disaffected folks , maybe in the former Soviet Union or Mid-East who used to be important scientists and are teaching grammar school or sweeping floors nowadays.. at a guess.
Two or three years ago we were “assured” of a lot of things. But even then, open source publications indicated NK could in fact be producing enough HEU/PU239 to make far more nuclear devices than the US government publicly projected at the time.
One plausible theory is that numbers being released were deliberately estimated as “lowest-plausible-case” forecasts vice “best estimates” for political reasons. Dunno one way or the other if that was being done – but I will observe that there’s been a change of Presidential Administrations since then.
FWIW: depending on the “throw weight” of the missile in question, NK might not have to reduce the weight of a warhead all that much to make it deliverable. That’s particularly true if a single-warhead design is used and they’re looking at Pacific-theater targets vice the US mainland. For a given missile, warhead weight and range are somewhat inversely related.
Trump’s comments were the most idiotic thing a sitting president has ever said in a century or more. And that is genuinely not hyperbole. His statement was absolutely asinine. He is verbally THREATENING to respond to verbal THREATS with nuclear war. We are the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons on another country. We have one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. At least 100 times larger than NK. And we are trying to claim the moral high ground by arguing that North Korea is not allowed to have nuclear weapons and NK is a rogue nation for developing them and in having developed them NK is a “threat” to the US. NK’s position is that we are a threat to their national security so they have no choice but to develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent. Despite the fact that we already have nukes and have already used them against another country, the fact that NK rhetoric was always so ridiculously inflammatory did give us the international moral high ground and did support the narrative they were acting as an irrational rogue regime. Then our president threatens to respond to VERBAL threats with NUCLEAR war. Now, in one stupid statement at a golf course Trump completely retreated from the moral high ground and hid behind irrational bluster. There is no purpose in escalating the rhetoric. I would say he undermines how own credibility but at this point he has none. It does however undermine our moral credibility, undermines our ability to claim to be the threatened party in international negotiations which undermines diplomatic support among key players. And it increases the likelihood of a war breaking out that WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO FIGHT RIGHT NOW. Yes, we are always ready to defend ourselves if attacked but if we are going to fight a war in Korea the worse thing to do is instigate when before we set the conditions to win quickly with the fewest casualties possible. We still have thousands of military dependents in South Korea and thousands more in Japan.… Read more »
Man I hope you’re not in charge of anything important…
You never learn there do you dumbass? The only thing that will stop this little tyrant is a nice cruise missile right up his fat little ass, and the sooner the better! Now go back to your mommies teat and leave the adults alone.
Maybe Emmentaler Boi would do well to look at a calendar.
August 9th, gee, I wonder what significance that day has, again?
And please, Lars, I can think of lots of shit stupider than that. And I only have to go back 8 years, sometimes less.
Quote one.
No president has said anything that escalate the risk of nuclear war this significantly.
He comment was idiotic.
I’m not going to research it this early in the day, but I’m betting that Kennedy said (and did) some things around the time of the cuban missile crisis that escalated the risk of nuclear war just a tad…. Hyperbole much there Der Commissar?
Well, there was the US Navy’s blockade of Cuban waters because Castro had allowed Krushchev to start building missile bunkers and launching platforms in Cuba.
Kennedy faced down Nikita Krushchev, but yes, it was thiscloseto nuclear war. Miami was the closest target city.
How close did it get? A Soviet sub being forced to surface by US destroyers was authorized by Red Fleet ROE of the time to fire nuclear torpedoes in response. The political officer (or *commissar*–go figure) aboard even recommended doing so. The sub’s captain decided he didn’t want to take a chance starting The War To End All Wars, luckily for everyone.
Thanks TOW and Ex, that’s what I was thinking, I just wanted to see if commissar would be honest enough to walk back his comments…
Hmm, still no answer? yeah, facts kinda suck when your a leftist huh?
Lars- are you so incredibly ignorant that you did not ever hear of Mutually Assured Destruction? MAD was official US policy for decades… we said we would not strike first (and still have not threatened a pre-emptive strike) but have always said that ‘you nuke us, we will destroy you.’ Trump is essentially just re-verbalizing that. Kim has been threatening US with nuclear attack weekly, if not indeed almost daily – you sound like you want us to apologize to him instead. Grow up- when faced by a madman you don’t try to reason with him, you make sure he knows attacking you will trigger sufficient retaliation and you have to be prepared to make that threat credible.
“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”. –Your Lord and Savior B. Hussein Oblunder, circa-who gives a shit. There’s one for you, cuck.
So nothing NK has said to us is provocative, is it, dumbass? They’re just the poor ol’ victim in all this?
How you can be that dense and still manage your affairs yourself is beyond me.
So YOU the ALL-KMOWING COMMISSAR Commissar, THE POODLEDICK PIUPERDINK, haven’t figured out yet that Fatty Kim da T’ird is threatening everyone else with nuclear annihilation, when he says so every damned day?
Are you that completely dimwitted? Oh, wait – that question is answered by reading your idiotic comment, COMMISSAR Commissar.
You haven’t got a clue to what’s going on anywhere in the world.
Oh, yeah, before you bring up “I was this and that and appointed here and there” – you are SO out of the loop that no one believes anything you say. Period.
We can only hope that the Kommisar’s case of Trump Derangement Syndrome is terminal.
Before you deign to respond, Kommisar, let me categorize your response. TL-DR.
Hey Commissar, now that SecDef Mattis has come out, and basically said the same thing are you gonna tell us that you’re smarter, and have a better grasp of the situation that he does?
Here read this, fuckin’ clown
Wow. You claimed moral equivalence between the US and North Korea when you made that comparison. Just un-fricking-believable.
The Norks are an outcast nation and one of the very few Stalinist regimes left in the world. They have no legal or moral validity whatsoever.
North Korea with nuclear weapons is a threat to every civilized nation, you blithering twit.
What to do, what to do? Oh, I know! Let’s point out the Nork ability to inflict severe casualties on everyone in Seoul, and handle the Norks with kid gloves so they won’t attack anyone.
I mean, it’s worked so well until now, no?
Phuck you commissar SHYTHEAD!!
I am certain Congress is going to pass a bill that removes Trump’s ability to preemptively use nuclear weapons without congressional approval.
He is going to whine like a toddler that congress is impinging on his “constitutional rights” as president by taking his toys away.
That would be unconstitutional, wouldn’t it? A half-wit would know that. Clown-ass.
Clown-ass… I am SOOOO stealing that Jonn!
It’s obvious that being nice doesn’t work on this jackass clowndog’s ass in sheepskin.
You truly never have anything intelligent or insightful to say about North Korea.
Please stop pretending you know fuck all about it.
Says the guy who just encouraged Congress to limit the commander-in-chief’s authority. You know fuck-all about everything. And you’re a blowhard.
Oh, but I do know FUCK-YOU all about North Korea. I don’t get my information out of textbooks written by slavering dogma-quoting socio-commie professors who really, really hate living in a free country.
Also, I quote my sources, which COMMISSAR LARS ‘THE FART-BRAINED’ TAYLOR never does unless forced into a corner to do so.
Might have something there, Jonn. Seems to me I remember something about the POTUS “shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States” in Article II, Section II of the US Constitution.
Oh, and good luck on getting 2/3 of both the House and Senate to tie the POTUS’s hands like that, Commissar. (That level of support would be needed to override a veto, and I damn well guarantee ANY POTUS – regardless of political party – would veto such a bill presented to him for signature.) That would make an in-kind response to a strategic nuclear attack infeasible. It would also be extremely bad policy.
Well, there ya have it, folks: a classic example of TDS, AKA “Trump Derangement Syndrome”.
Symptoms include anything Trump says or does being perceived as being “wrong”, along with immediate involuntary spasms of irrational verbal diarrhea from the sufferer.
Yo, Commissar: chill. Otherwise, you’re gonna “stroke out”.
Why, from reading your rant above one would think you’ve never heard of the concept of “giving someone a taste of their own medicine”, applied to politics.
Lord knows that normal diplomatic language hasn’t worked so well for us to date. Perhaps bombastic rhetoric is the only thing that ND:tBF AKA Lil’ Kim AKA Emmentaler Boi AKA Fatboy Kim can understand. Might get his attention.
At least, we know how much the IDIOT COMMISSAR Commissar really hates Trump.
Yep. Trump could figure out a way to fix world hunger and guarantee world peace for 100 years for $15.4 million – and he’d probably b!tch about ten cents of his taxes being used to pay for it.
If he’s part of the 47% that actually pay net taxes, that is. And if not, my guess is he’d still b!tch about it because he didn’t like the way Trump announced the program.
Hondo, that 47% is a complete bullshit figure.
It was based on a single tax RECESSIONARY year for which there was a tax rebate. And there were also nearly 500,000 Americans deployed in a tax exempt status.
Additionally, that was only federal income taxes. Everyone that works pay payroll taxes. If that is included the number dropped to 17% for that year and 9% for most non-recessionary years.
And that does not include state and local taxes. Everyone pays sales taxes for instance.
And it is further misleading because much of that 17% are senior citizens. And there is also a sizable number of high income earners that are able to avoid paying taxes through access to sophisticated tax avoidance mechanisms.
For instance Donald Trump did not pay income taxes for 18 years due to having a loss in the 90s that he was able to deduct forward.
YOu are so stupid you don’t even know you’re alive, COMMISSAR Commissar.
Payroll taxes ARE federal taxes. They are ALSO state taxes if a state taxes your income. ALL OF THEM ARE INCOME TAXES, YOU UNBELIEVABLE MORON.
Seniors pay the same income taxes, federal and state, as everyone else.
Sales taxes don’t count in this because everyone pays sales taxes, period.
You are dumber than a deflated balloon on a string.
Why is that prick blocked from this forum??
“Everyone pays sales taxes ”
That’s Bull Shit.
Ever hear of the Farm Plan?
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
It really depends on the state you live in, and the products bought.
Yep, I know that. But HWSNBNamed made an all inclusive statement and I called him out on it.
Here’s a good example:
Private beet farmer in Wyoming comes in to the parts store needing a starter for his 1963 GMC grain truck. Tells the parts guy he’s on the Farm Plan #XXXX. Starter is given to the farmer and he goes on his merry way. Starter is sold at 10% over cost with no sales tax attached and is billed to the bank. Bank pays parts guys parent company and adds the starter cost to Farm Plan #XXXX. At the end of the year when the beet crop comes in, aforementioned farmer settles with the bank.
Easy-Peesy.
Well, almost everyone. Half assed, half right is no way to go through life Commisar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States
Got to love it when the idiot that asserted threats on Obama’s life were up over 400% then lectures us about bogus percentages.
Lars now pretends he didn’t say that when called on it. Despite the threads in which he said it being archived and easily found on this very site. Would you call that dishonesty, denial, stupidity, or…?
Are you fucking kidding me?
He said “North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”.
How the hell are you even defending him on this?
It is a transparently and objectively stupid thing to say.
First, he threatened to respond to verbal threats with nuclear war.
And when NK inevitably makes another threat (which they did less than a few hours later) then what?
President’s should not be making threat that escalate the risk of wars. President’s should not be threatening nuclear war as a response to verbal threats.
And president’s should not be publicizing making threats THEY ARE IN NO FUCKING POSITION TO CARRY OUT!!!
We still have tens of thousands of US military dependents in South Korea and Japan.
Our strategic forces are not in position for a war in Korea.
Our ground forces are not in position to be deployed quickly.
And the whole “TDS” narrative is the kind of sheep minded sycophantic Trump fanboy bullshit I would expect from people much dumber the I thought you were.
I knew some conservatives supported Trump because he was the only choice other than Hillary. But apparently you are one of the idiots that supported Trump because you thought he would make a good president.
And now try to ego defense by pretending he is a good president.
*presidents
I guess it autocorrected to “President’s” because it was capitalized. Not sure.
My god, you are dumber than a box of bent screws!
He knows how to yank someone’s chain, and so help me you fell for it just like the Crappy News Network and all the other phony media outlets.
You really need to find something useful to do with yourself. Find a bartender who’s willing to listen to your crap, willya? Don’t you have floors to sweep?
Because the “Pretty Please” overtures were working so well? Trumps publicly bitching him out has forced him to review his OPLAN assumptions.
I can easily name two Democratic presidents who spoke such language to North Korea. Care to guess who they are, lamzak?
“I am certain Congress is going to pass a bill that removes North Korea’s ability to preemptively use nuclear weapons”
There. Fixed it for ya!
That is not even a functional thought.
Congress is not going to start a war with North Korea preemptively.
You’re an idiot. Go sit in the corner and mind your own business. Don’t you have Tinkertoys to play with or something?
I’m wondering what he’s doing awake and out of his playpen this early… Usually the board is Commissar free until much later in the morning…
This is probably the day his EBT card loads. He’s up early to head on out to the communal store to pick up some kale and sprouts.
He’s obsessive compulsive about Trump’s term in office.
Geez. Are you really that ideologically blind, Commissar? I can’t believe you’re really that dumb.
The comment is obvious satire, and works quite well as same. Congress very obviously does not have the power to prevent ND:tBF from doing a damn thing.
Reading is fundamental. Have you considered Remedial English or ESL classes?
When I saw Trump’s quote, it seemed to be that finally someone was speaking to Kim III and the DPRK in their own colorful language.
K3: Derp! Derp Derp Derp! DOOOOOM!
DT: “Doom” back at ya!
I’ll take that bet.
Congress can barely pass gas at this point.
30 days, says I. At that point, you owe me a case of Ballast Point Sculpin IPA.
30 days to what? Pick one:
1 – An H-bomb test in North Korea
or 2 – A Nork ICBM reaching not the coast, but an interior spot, in Japan
or 3 – all of the above
They don’t need an ICBM to target any spot in Japan, Ex-PH2. MRBMs (up to 3000km range by definition) will reach pretty much all of Japan from NK.
They already have MRBMs.
I was referring to his idiotic statement regarding Congress taking away his control of the nuclear triad.
Of course, what he doesn’t think far enough ahead to consider is if Congress tried that, who would control the nukes at that point?
And to think, this guy had a commission?
To be fair, his commission predated his Berzerkly “education”. And there is that injury to his brains…
HEY Babbles McButthead, you DO realize that tubby ‘lil Kim-Cheese and his crazy late Father got their big start from “Blowjob Willie” Clinton, RIGHT?
When a Big Tsar Bomba, Nork style, lands on Berzerkley, I’m -quite- sure that COMMISSAR Commissar will still be whining the same old gasbag tunes he’s emitting now. Pay no attention to him.
If the media gets a press release on something like this – Fatty Kim da T’ird is -working- on an H-bomb – it means in the real world that the media got the Cliff’s Notes version of what is actually happening.
When, NOT if, the Norks test an H-bomb, the USGS will report a seismic incident coming from the test site. They reported the last tests within an hour of their occurrence. They also reported the yields.
Fatboy over there in Norkiland doesn’t just think it’s a bigger bomb. His rhetoric may seem silly to the bystander, but he absolutely does know how destructive a thermonuclear detonation is, what the range is, and what cities he wants to hit. The last missile test was his most successful yet. If he’s driven by one thing, it’s not just his stomach or his ego.
I’m sure he would not waste his life on a “demonstration round” hitting Guam.
It would be Game Over.
Now two or three tossed at Conus might be worth the effort if just one gets through.
I once saw a radar console with the following lighted push buttons:
Shoot One
Shoot Ripple
Shoot Look Shoot
Shoot All
Air defense for sure but the same holds true for offense.
Wouldn’t necessarily be a demonstration round. Last time I checked, we have DoD installations in Guam.
If he were to choose that option, I’m also pretty sure he’d fire more than one. And Guam wouldn’t be the only target.
Don’t assume rationality when it comes to the fat midget dictator. His pappy was crazy, but Little Kimmy Dickless is crazy and stupid.
I’m looking at the probability of his first H-bomb test. The delivery systems he’s working on are moving forward like gangbusters, much faster than ours or the Soviets’ did in the beginning.
North Korea’s missile and nuclear threat is being ridiculously exaggerated. The longest range missile they have ever successfully tested could, under ideal conditions, with an ideal fuel supply, ideal trajectory, and with sufficient tracking technology *could* reach 6700KM. Which is enough to hit Alaska. But only with CONVENTIONAL munitions. And we have seen the effect of a single conventional missile hitting a major city (Tel Aviv for example) and the casualties are pretty negligible. North Korea would generate more casualties if NK agents packed a Prius with explosive and drove it to a target. NK has never successfully launched a nuclear payload. Never. They have had 5 underground FIXED device nuclear tests. They never demonstrated the capacity to project nuclear weapons. The “worse case” assumption is that they could place their miniaturized nuke in a missile. But they have never actually demonstrated the capacity o do it. And we are not even sure their miniaturized device is functional. We are assuming it is. However, we do know they do not now have the capacity to deliver it accurately and successfully. When we consider our military capabilities we do so with the capabilities we have SUCCESSFULLY TESTED or DEMONSTRATED. We do not consider theoretical capabilities that have never been tested or demonstrated as part of our military capabilities. However, when we discuss the threat NK presents we discuss it with worst case theoretical capacity as the current threat. And than act like we need to do something about this imminent threat. Despite the fact that they have never demonstrated anything near the capacity to protect nuclear force, or even accurately deliver a conventional payload far enough to threaten the US. And even IF they can accurately deliver a conventional or nuclear payload to the US it is STILL not a sufficient threat to initiate a war. We lived for nearly half a century under the threat of a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. And at its peak the Soviet Union had a nuclear arsenal more than 650 (nearly 40,000) times larger than the highest estimates of North Korea’s (60 nuclear… Read more »
Looks like more classic TDS to me.
IMO you really should see a professional therapist about that.
That and FTS? Don’t they usually present together in a patient?
What if the capability you’re citing is an underestimation? Our leadership collectively says, “Our bad”?
Name a worse case that is as bad as what would happen if we actually went to war?
And we are not underestimating North Korea’s capacity. We are crediting them with theoretical worst case capacity based on capabilities they have never successfully even tested.
Well, off the top of my head here’s a scenario to consider.
1. NK improves their longest-range missile to have a range of 7500km.
2. NK reduces the weight of an implosion-type 15kt warhead and reentry vehicle such that they can launch it to 7500km.
3. NK develops a GPS-based guidance system based on commercial GPS technology that gives them a 400m CEP for an incoming warhead at MRBM ranges, a 750m CEP at IRBM ranges, and a 1km CEP at ICBM ranges. Those are SWAGS; dunno how feasible they are, but I’d guess it’s do-able.
4. NK produces 30 such missile/warhead combos.
5. NK fires 18 of them, targeting US facilities near Atsugi, Yokosuka, Sasebo, Misawa, Fairbanks, Anchorage, Honolulu, and on Guam and Okinawa.
6. For good measure, they also target the port facilities in Inchon, Pohang, Pusan, Chinhae, Masan, and major air bases at Kunsan and Osan with persistent chemical weapons using shorter-range missiles.
7. They then send their Army south, while simultaneously announcing they have “plenty of nukes in reserve”. Then they launch one more and detonate it at 400km over Hawaii to prove it. And they tell the US, “Stay out of this – this is Korean business.”
End result: possible destruction (or at least serious degradation) of the US Pacific DoD infrastructure, while two allies have also been attacked and one is likely in dire straits (along with 30,000 or so US troops).
I’m not saying the above will happen. But I’m also thinking that result might be pretty damn bad. Worse? Make up your own mind.
But I do think Lil’ Kim is just unstable enough to consider something like that. His dad IMO was, and he seems even less stable than his dad.
Oh, and remember: GPS didn’t exist while the US and USSR were developing their ICBMs. Guidance is a bit easier now than it was then.
Considering that his missile tech has moved forward so quickly, I think he’s getting help from someone. Who would you suggest is doing that, Hondo? My guess is not Iran or Syria – too incompetent – but maybe the Pakis???
Or China. Comrade Vlad is not outside the realm of possibility, either, if for no other reason than (from his perspective) because fuck you, that’s why.
What is the one-way, unrefuled range of a 20,000 ton freighter carrying ~5 tons of warhead plus ~5 tons of cobalt and/or U238? (And perhaps 1000 tons of shielding/tamper)
If the thing was just full of ANFO, it could take out a major US port.
How far can their civilian transport aircraft fly, painted like a civvy airliner and suitably transpondered, one way with a ten ton load?
Today.
I remember going to a briefing about the Korean Peninsula back in the 90’s with I was with 2/7. The brief summed up by the Regimental staff was that if there were hostilities on the peninsula, that it would be a repeat of the 50’s… but with a very high risk of nukes being used by the Norks (the thought was that the Norks had access to a small number of nukes via Pakistan).
BTW – the CO of 7th Marines at that time was COL James Mattis…
It wouldn’t surprise me if a real deal scenario played out like the one you posted, Hondo
NK lobs a couple nukes at ROK, Japan and China in a fit of anger. Sort that mess out.
Range is dependent on payload weight, not type. Make a nuke + reentry vehicle that weighs 1 metric ton, and it will travel the same distance as a conventional warhead + reentry vehicle with the same weight.
FWIW, here are some Air Distances, Pyongyang to (per http://www.distancefromto.net):
1. Honolulu – 7399km
2. Guam – 3408km
3. Okinawa – 1410km
4. Misawa – 1344km
5. Yokosuka – 1301km
6. Atsugi – 1275km
7. Sasebo – 743km
8. Anchorage, AK – 6002km
9. Fairbanks, AK – 5993km
By your own admission, NK has demonstrated a capability to launch a missile with sufficient range to reach all but one of those locations listed. Increase the range by a bit over 10%, and they reach them all.
I’ll leave it for you to figure out why I chose to list those locations.
Yeah, no reason for concern. None at all.
And yes, that last was saracasm.
Hondo, the published guesstimate last Friday was after the most recent ICBM test, and it was that FatBoy Kim can and will build a missile capable of reaching New York City. Someone is giving him LOTS of advice about how to build these delivery vehicles, and I don’t think it’s Iran. They haven’t even launched one test missile so far. I don’t know what it would profit Russia to give him advice. China doesn’t want his crap, either. So it may be the Pakis.
There is yet to be a single analyst that agrees with Melissa Hanham on that.
And it was the headline but it is not actually what she said.
What she said was that the missile test showed Alaska was in range of the missile and then discussed how a 45 minute test flight is long enough for some missiles to reach New York.
But she never said the NK missiles could reach New York. She said they could reach Alaska.
45 minutes is the theoretical quickest a modern advanced missile could reach New York from North Korea. But that is if the missile was on a perfect trajectory, and capable of speeds that NK missile are not capable of reaching and using advanced missile fuels North Korea does no have or have access to.
So?
Even of they can do so successfully and accuracy.
We have seen what happens when a single conventional missile hits a major city. It is pretty negligible. Casualties are pretty light.
They literally would be better off having NK agents drive a Prius packed with explosive into a target.
There is no threat that justifies escalating this into war.
What part of “a nuclear warhead + reentry vehicle goes the same distance on the same missile as a conventional warhead + reentry vehicle of the same weight” do you not understand?
Nuclear weapon delivery is far more complex than conventional weapon delivery.
It is not merely a problem of range.
And it is disingenuous for you to pretend otherwise (showing your argument lacks integrity or sincerity).
Um, no. Building a nuclear warhead that will work reliably is more difficult. But delivering it to the same degree of accuracy as a conventional warhead of comparable size and weight isn’t any more difficult. The missile and it’s guidance system doesn’t give a flying fornication what type of warhead it’s carrying. All it cares about is the size, weight, and aerodynamics of the reentry vehicle. If those are the same, the result will be the same – regardless of the type of warhead carried. In fact, delivering a conventional warhead effectively is substantially harder – you have to get it much closer to the intended target to do the same damage. To take out a building with a JDAM, you essentially have to hit the building. To take it out with even a small (15kT or so) nuke, barring some major terrain feature between the building and ground zero you just have to ensure ground zero is within about a quarter-mile (400M or so). Direct thermal, blast, and post-blast fire will do the rest. That’s why the early strategic nukes (and early nuke missiles) were such monsters, with warheads typically having multi-megaton yield and weighing several metric tons – and why today’s strategic nukes (and missiles) are much smaller (a few 100kT in yield). Early strategic missile guidance systems sucked – getting a weapon within even 1-2 kM of the intended ground zero wasn’t absolutely guaranteed, nor did we have as good info regarding target locations as we typically do today. We have both more accurate guidance systems and better target intel today, so we can use smaller warheads – and, if we choose, smaller missiles. Or some combination of both. The same is true for conventional weapons – we can now target individual buildings instead of having to target an entire block to ensure its destruction, like we had to prior to the development of conventional PGMs. We can put the conventional warheads closer to the intended target, so we don’t need to use a “blockbuster” bomb (and take out the entire block) to ensure a high probability… Read more »
It should also be noted that accuracy is not all that essential with a nuclear warhead…. pretty much anywhere over a major city +/- 10km or so is plenty accurate. There’s a reason for the old ‘close only counts with horseshoes, hand grenades, and tactical nukes’ phrase
“You really should know what you’re talking about before running your suck, Commissar.”
Come on, Hondo. When has Commissar ever let that stop him?
FWIW: open-source reporting on the older W76 warhead on the Trident indicates it weighs less than 400lbs. The weight and dimensions of it’s reentry vehicle have never been released publicly that I’ve seen; however, I’m guessing the weight of the reentry vehicle might be about the same, or less, as that of the warhead.
The W76 was a 2-stage design. It’s also reputedly extremely similar to the W88, which published accounts say was compromised to China circa 1995-1998. So it’s entirely possible that China has slipped some of that design info to NK during the past 20 years or so – if for no other reason that to screw with the US.
Omit the secondary, and you have a smaller package. And I’m guessing the yield could be in the 15kt range if tweaked.
Assuming the NK’s have the W76/W88 design info, it’s thus entirely possible they have a workable design for a warhead+reentry vehicle package that would be in the 750lb range with yield in the 10-20kt range.
As I recall, the best estimate today for the yield at Hiroshima is 18kt. The yield is estimated to have been around 22kt at Nagasaki (the two used different designs).
Casualties are pretty light with a conventional warhead when it hits a major city?
So what amount of American casualties would you consider unacceptable Berkley Boi?
Any number with him or his main squeeze included. Anything else would be perfectly acceptable. The more that die makes more room for him and his.
Yet again, TL-DR.
That was for the bullshit that Kommissar posts.
So here’s a question. How many South Koreans, Japanese or, going for the gallows humor joke, anyone in the immediate MRBM range thanks to their guidance systems have to die before you think maybe, just maybe he’s starting to step over the line?
Do I think he’s going to do it? Probably not, but once you start ramping those threats up, eventually something has to happen on one side or another. Especially since NDtBF has shown a worrying habit of escalating any time he’s sanctioned or ignored, nevermind told to sit down and shut the fuck up. Much like you should have been as a child.
The bigger worry, to my mind, isn’t so much war in the Koreas. It’s that Lil’ Kim will be using all this saber-rattling and threats to cover his Iranian and Syrian supporters/co-workers as they move some of those warheads and delivery systems back to Iran.
Don’t forget that the NORK nuclear-weapons program is in reality a NORK/Iranian?Syrian program, with Iranian and Syrian scientists and engineers providing most of the technical work, while North Korea has provided a safe working environment and testing sites, free from the risk of Israeli (or other) interference.
It’s just a matter of time, now, before some of those new missiles and warheads get shipped to Iran, and when they are revealed to be in place, with mobile launchers, then all of Europe will be under threat of an Iranian nuclear blackmail.
Some of those nukes may also be the insurance that Assad needs to remain in power in Syria.
While it is true that we need to tread carefully, yet purposely with regard to Lil’ Kim and his mafia nation, we must not let that attention blind us to what’s also going on with Iran and Syria, who have been playing the long game for quite awhile now.
This whole situation will get a lot worse before it gets better.
Okay, I think he’s getting advice from someone, not Iran or Syria, (see above) so my guess is it’s the Pakis. Does that work? His progress is going in leaps and bounds, not slow guesses.
What’s your view on the Pakis helping him out? They already have nuke missiles.
I’m not sure NK is getting help from anyone, Ex-PH2. People forget that when the US and USSR developed ICBMs, they each did so for effectively the first time ever (there wasn’t much cooperation between the two in terms of exchanging test results). Doing something the first time ever is damned hard, because you’re breaking new ground – and generally finding out the hard way what does and doesn’t work. There’s tons of stuff out there that’s been published concerning the early US ICBM efforts, the problems, etc . . . . Hell, most if not all of the developmental docs, test results, etc . . . , are almost certainly declassified by now – it’s been over 55 years since we developed the Minuteman I, for crying out loud (the first Minuteman missiles went on alert during the Cuban Missile Crisis). In general, Federal docs that aren’t classified (or which otherwise qualify for some form of distribution restriction under law) can be obtained by pretty much anyone who’s willing to pay the applicable fee under the FOIA. I’m guessing NK has most of those older missile development docs already. And don’t forget that until around 1990 both the Soviets and Chinese were eager to help NK – to a point, anyway. They doubtless slipped NK lots of useful info as well prior to then. And China might well have continued supplying them info into the 2000s. Dunno. If you know a priori where the “gotchas” are – and what does and doesn’t work that well – it’s substantially easier to recreate something than it was to develop it the first time. You don’t go down as many useless “rabbit holes” with resultant wasted time and effort. I’m pretty sure that’s a big part of the reason both NK and Iran (and India and Pakistan) are making good progress in missile development. Further, there are many things NK can take advantage of today that simply didn’t exist during the 1950s/1960s. On-board missile guidance then was inertial and used discrete transistor components; it was fairly large, and primarily analog. Today, it’s… Read more »
The keys to Iranian & Syrian involvement are, to my mind, the fact that North Korean “advisors” have been seen at both the (now defunct) Syrian nuclear facility as well as with Iranian nuclear scientists, in addition to both Syrian & Iranian nuclear scientists being seen in North Korea.
It’s a 3-way program that benefits all involved.
And yes, it’s likely that the Pakistanis could be involved in some fashion, though probably not directly.
Although from 2 years ago, the three links below are samples of the info available from “reliable” sources vis-a-vis these partnerships
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/evidence-points-to-syria-still-working-on-a-nuclear-weapon-a-1012209.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldkirk/2015/02/20/irans-irans-long-time-partnership-with-north-korea-on-nukes-and-missiles-may-scuttle-a-real-deal/#743633bcb61b
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/experts-iran-housing-nuke-materials-in-north-korea-syria/
Okay, thanks. I just asked about help-or-no-help, because ND:tBF’s development of the missile delivery system is progressing so rapidly, that’s all. It’s also possible that with that ‘secret unit’ of his, a lot of stuff that wasn’t available 3 to 4 decades ago can be found on the internet and used. If he’s getting stuff from any of those sources, it does not surprise me. Just wasn’t sure how much he might be getting.
Treading carefully is what is going to get us nuked. We still have time to bring this under control — but we won’t, because we have lost our ability to make a judgement call before an actual event. No one in power now is willing to take the risk of ordering an event that they will spend the rest of their life defending. Remember the questions Truman faced about using the bomb? Remember how he replied? No one in power today had the integrity, backbone, or moral fiber to deal with that situation today. They’ll let NK drop a nuke, and they will come up with every excuse they can think of to not use nukes in return. They’ll couch it as humanitarian mercy or whatever, when in reality, the only thing that really terrifies them is having to stand on a stage all alone and answer for what they ordered done.
Trump’s comment was indefensibly stupid.
There are two kinds of people in the world.
1. People who know Trump’s comment was idiotic.
2. Idiots.
If someone does not recognize that what Trump said was idiotic than they are stupid beyond hope.
You all need to really reflect on what the fuck you are thinking to be so eager to defend Trump all the time.
I know some of you recognize his presidency is a clusterfuck. The fact that so few are acknowledging it is pretty alarming. Is the flock instinct that strong in you all?
So President Trump should do what? Kick the can down the road like everyone else before him? Get on his knees and grovel like Mr. mom jeans? Hoping Kim Jong Un doesn’t act on his threats is not a method.
First of all, it is a false choice.
The Trump administration can take actions without resorting to bullshit like threatening nuclear war if NK ever issues another a verbal threat.
So pretending Trump is acting responsibly because he is escalating things with bullshit rhetoric is nonsense.
Second, kicking the can down the road has put us in the strongest position we have ever been in power parity between the US and it allies and NK and it allies (neither Russia or China is going to war to defend NK).
We have lived under the threat of nuclear war in the past and TIME resolved it. Kicking the can down the road PREVENTED total annihilation. A threat of which we lived under for a half a century.
NK is not even close to the same level of threat the Soviet Union presented. And that is even IF they have a nuclear weapon capable of reaching the US. WHICH THEY DO NOT.
Kim’s regime is not going to last. Unlike his father and grandfather before him, Kim Jon Un has made too many powerful enemies in NK. And his effort to eliminate the is merely making more.
Call me a skeptic but when you say NoRK doesn’t have the capability to reach us with a nuclear weapon, I don’t believe you. I’ll trust the experts on this one.
People like you were sniveling the same drivel about Reagan. Reagan rebuilt this nations armed forces and he did not “de-escalate” anything. He upped the anty at every opportunity and even said a few zingers at our enemies. He even bombed a country in the middle east. Of course you were playing with your gender neutral dolls back then and probably do not believe this time in our past existed.
Based on his comments above, I believe that Commissar is a big fan of Neville Chamberlain… at the very least, he seems to be a big advocate of that distinguished gentlemens approach to diplomacy..
That is ridiculous.
Stop defending Trump on this stupidity.
Get off your obsessive compulsive crap about Trump. He’s the President, whether you like it or not. Grow up and deal with it or go sign yourself into a mental health hospital.
You are certifiably awash in obsessive compulsive crap.
Really?
When did you shut the fuck up about Obama?
You really are a no integrity piece of shit.
And Trump’s comment is a problem that should be called out.
And if you knew a damn thing about Korea (which you don’t) you would know that what Trump said was stupid.
Oh, here we go. “If you knew….”
Yap yap yap yap yap.
Four people here are better sources for it than you are. Go find a bartender, shitface, or a stray boa constrictor.
If you’re truly secure in feeling as intelligent as you say you are you wouldn’t be perpetually running your damned yap about it while thinking you’re eventually going to impress or convince someone here on TAH, Babbles McButthead. Let’s face the facts, President Trump WON the election and now he’s our President, Bernie Sanders IS NOT! Sanders never held a legitimate job in his life other than being a politician and let’s not forget about how his wife mismanaged a college out of existence while paying their Daughters six figure salaries to “teach” there as well! Now on the other hand, President Trump has run many a succesful business, created thousands of jobs AND has contributed FAR more to the US Economy in just one month than Sanders will in his entire life. Those are FACTS Babbles McButthead, get used to it and stop trying on your girlfriend’s pantyhose.
“Peace in our time”… yeah, keep on that line Commissar… try reading just a little history, that’s not been written by your leftist brethren, and you’ll see that your comments are very similar to the positions / beliefs that Chamberlain had, lets just hope that noone in power takes the same approach, with presumably the same outcome..
Read a history book sometime. Apparently you have no clue what Reagan did or did not do.
Reagan did de-escalate. He was a nuclear weapons. abolitionist.
He was instrumental in why today Russia and the US have about 6000 nuclear weapons each down from the nearly 30,000 we had and nearly 40,000 the Soviet Union had when Reagan assumed office.
He did make a reckless joke when he thought his microphone was off. While it was reckless (but intended to by funny, and kind of was funny) it was not meant as a public policy statement.
What Trump said was a PUBLIC statement intended to convey his position on NK threats.
Ronald Reagan was a POTUS who really gave a damn about the USA, now go French kiss a Cottonmouth.
I unlike you lived it. On the tarmac on our bags ready to go. Fuck you. We realized Reagan talked tough and meant it. Read your revisionist books. Asshat. Mr Berkeley.
Yes, YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Go play in the traffic, willya, COMMISSAR Commissar?
I am not embarrassed to have my name associated with this discussion.
You all look like complete idiots on this one.
You want to preemptively wage war and kill hundreds of thousands of Americans and allies and destroy the infrastructure of a major democracy and damage another because you are afraid of a worst case theoretical threat that there is no tangible evidence actually exists and even if it did the damage casualties the threat would produce is no where near the damage and casualties the actual war you want would generate.
I have thought most some of you were idiots in the past.
But on this issue your stupidity goes to 11.
HEY Babbles McButthead, Ex-PH2 has more intelligence and common sense in one of her occasional hangnails than you will have in your entire LIFE, now go French Kiss a Copperhead.
You are paranoid and delusional if you think ANY of us want to wage war and kill off anyone. We can voice our concerns in a reasonable way,
YOU, on the other hand, are so full of hatred and spite that Trump won and Bernie Sanders washed out that you can hardly sit still.
You are an ass. You are paranoid and delusional. NO ONE HERE IS RAGGING ON ABOUT STARTING A WAR, YOU ILLITERATE TWIT.
Go find a bartender who will listen to your shit.
Would someone please muzzle the rabid, barking dog? He’s beyond annoying.
Muzzle him? Nah. He is doing a -fine- job of convincing folks to back Trump.
I could say the grass is green and you would argue it.
Sometimes you have some interesting opinions and knowledgeable views but you sour us every time you take an opposing view just to be the “special” guy.
Really, so actually think that Trump’s statement is so reasonable that anyone thinking it is not is merely arguing for no reason?
Besides, don’t yo have a Magic game somewhere?
You should hurry up and get there.
Geez, Green Thumb, you could have posted a spew alert on that one!!!
Lars. Speak for yourself when speaking of idiots.
You are given no quarter here because of your Frank Burns-ish bullshit.
Stop with your drive by “know it all” commentary and go play with the other fuckwit at the Democratic Underground.
You’ll be popular there, trust me.
Now fuck off.
Chicken Little, Chicken Little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Trump made the sky fall, Trump made the sky fall.
I am not the one saying the sky is falling.
It is you fucking morons that think NK is such a threat to the US that we need to start a war to stop them.
Lars, IMO your Walls of text are overstating your opinion. How do you deal with a Bully? Appease him. Remember Camberlain and Hitler? In the past, we have sent $$$$$$$ and food to the Norks when he has rattled his saber. I deal with a bully by standing up to him/her. Joe
How were we appeasing Kim Jong Un? We have 30,000 troops in Korea. 50,000 in Japan. We now have two carrier groups in the region. We fly bombers OVER North Korea. We have the UN aligned against them. New and SUBSTANTIAL sanctions.
There is no appeasement. Not preemptively starting a war is not appeasement.
Would you say the cold war was a strategy of appeasement? No, we defeated the Soviet Union without a war through patience and careful strategy. But it was not appeasement.
Using the strategy of patience we had helped to build the South Korean armed forces from one incapable of defending itself throughout the 50s, 60, 70s, and 80s, to one by the mid 90 that was able to destroy the North Korean army without our help.
During that time our weapons technologies and capabilities as well as the technologies and capability of our allies increased at a rate several time that of the capabilities and technologies of the NK military.
Because of patience went from a NK regime led by a man that was adored and seen to be a living god (Kim Il Sung) to one that was seen as merely a shadow of his father (Kim Jong Il) to one now that is largely mistrusted and disliked by much of the regime power structures. Kim Jong Un has no where near the control of the regime his father and grandfather had and has far more enemies within the power structure and is increasingly ridiculed by both citizens and MILITARY. Kim Jong Un has had to eliminate hundreds of senior NK leaders just to keep control. Many of those executed were people that had been loyal to the regime for a half a century.
Patience has led to a situation where out allies are not only more capable of supporting our force projections but projecting force of their own but one where NK allies are NO LONGER COMMITTED TO DEFENDING THE PENINSULA. Unlike the 1980s and even into the 1990s NK can no longer expect military support from China or Russia.
and with all of those troops in the region, NOT ONCE have we attacked in over 60 years. By the way, we flew the bombers to South Korea, not over North Korea. And there has been substantial appeasement of the Norks by all recent administrations… and the Norks have walked away from every agreement.
Oops, about the bomber thing.
Calling the relative status quo we have maintained for a half a century “appeasement” is not accurate.
Not attacking them is not appeasement. Any more than them not attacking us is not appeasement.
New and substantial sanctions?
Imposed by the UN?
And you ACTUALLY believe the UN will enforce them?
I was wrong about you. You’re not an idiot, you’re delusional.
You all defending Trump’s comment;
Name an effective outcome Trump’s comment supported.
Harry Truman’s comment following the first bomb dropped on Japan thus ending WW2.
How does this make what Trump said effective?
How is it even relevant to what Trump said?
Trumps comment is echoing Trumans words. It’s called a warning. It worked for Truman and just might work for Trump. I thought you read a lot.
Any of it history?
Yep. And even the MSM noticed that fact, even if Commissar doesn’t.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-north-korea-threat-truman-hiroshima-64830
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/08/09/trump-north-korea-remarks-had-eerie-echo-truman-post-hiroshima-speech/8kdOQ8ypCgHuxcZOJzjCLL/story.html
Since Commissar is routinely incapable (or is simply too damn lazy) to look stuff up for himself, I’ll post the relevant Truman quote here:
After lurking in here all day and observing Commissar’s endless, voluminous diatribes, I find myself compelled to pose this question:
Do you think that Commissar finds it to be a burden to know more about everything than anyone else?
Knowing is not the burden.
The burden is trying to convince everyone else of it.
It’s very difficult to be a control freak like COMMISAR and find that no one sees you as an authority on anything, including the weather report.
Here we go. A real airburst at 10,000 feet overhead, circa 1957.
It occurred to me some time ago that ND:tBF has never actually seen a nuclear detonation like I have. His are all underground.
That’s gotta -Bern-!
It didn’t work.
It couldn’t work.
Because it was a bombastic threat that no American president in their right mind would make and no president would be able to keep.
And there is big difference between threatening a bomb AFTER already dropping one and INTENDING to drop another with a country we are already in war with that has already cost millions of lives.
Especially when the purpose of the threat is to end the war.
And Trump making a threat with a country that we have a ceasefire with. A threat that is sure to fail because it threatened nuclear attack if NK ever made a VERBAL threat again.
It was a stupid threat. Done at a stupid time. In a place that made no sense (a gold course?!).
Lars, the White House is being renovated you moron. Experts (people who know what they’re talking about, in other words not you) agree what President Trump said was exactly what needed to be said. Besides,
where else was he supposed to say it, your mom’s house?
So the only option for making a statement is his Gold Club resort?
Bullshit.
And the renovations are not why he is on vacation at his resort.
They are just using his vacation as good time to do the remodel.
And Trump did not say “exactly what needed to be said” ‘you moron’.
What he said was he would respond to ANY FUTURE THREAT with fire and fury like never before seen in the world.
How did that accomplish a damn thing?
And if it was EXACTLY what need to be said why did he not follow through?
NK immediately responded with ANOTHER THREAT.
Trump said that what he said was “off the cuff’, and “something he made up”, and “not to take it too seriously”.
And Tillerson walked back Trump’s comments.
So stop trying to make up fucking excuses and claiming it was some perfect and necessary policy statement.
It was an idiotic statement, said off the cuff, with no real understanding of HIS COMPLETE LACK OF ABILITY TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT RIGHT NOW.
So it was a bombastic EMPTY threat.
Which is the EXACT opposite of what you do with North Korea.
I swear Lars you’re like the internet version of Juan Williams, only dumber.
I asked you, Lars before how do you deal with a BULLY ? You have not answered the question. Joe
I answered. I don’t accept the premise that NK is “bullying” us.
I think it is idiotic to try to claim North Korea is a “bully” to us.
First of all we ARE a nuclear state. A wealthy superpower with the most powerful military on the face of the planet.
We are NOT being bullied.
No more than a toddler yelling, kicking the air, and crying is “bullying” his parents.
What do you do with a toddler throwing a tantrum?
You ignore him and wait it out.
North Korea has NO CHOICE but to develop nuclear weapons capabilities and be formerly accepted as a nuclear power.
Because they have damn good reason to believe we are an existential threat to their existence.
If you were a NK leader and you knew that a major superpower had an unstoppable military capacity, 80,000 troops in your immediate region, a carrier group always nearby. A superpower with a long history of decapitating governments it did not like. And occasionally invading countries.
There would be NO OTHER POSSIBLE CONCLUSION other than the US was a threat to their existence.
And the only way to stop an unstoppable military is with the deterrent capability nuclear weapons provide and the delivery system to make good on the deference.
They want to have themselves accepted as a nuclear state like Russia, China, the UK, France, and the United States. Or be tolerated as a nuclear state like Pakistan, India, or Israel.
Of course we feel that we can’t let that happen. Because North Korea successfully moving to being accepted or tolerated as a Nuclear state is seen as something that will lead Iran and then Saudi Arabia to become nuclear states.
You are not a parent, you stop the toddlers fit and you make it unacceptable. This is why my daughter has a medical degree and her friends from high school are losers and married to losers. In my time I learned a profession and married a woman with a graduate degree. I am not the smartest or wealthiest guy, but my wife and life choices make up for it. My wifes personal accounts far exceed mine, but hey, she loves me. Fuck you Lars.
COMMISSAR Commissar doesn’t know the difference between distraction + deflection and the REAL thing.
I’m waiting for his silly head to explode into confetti. His blood pressure must be sky high by now…. and BOOOM!!
The stupidity you come up with to try to make sense of your own idiotic positions is pretty astonishing.
YOU ARE Impotent Rage:
You are paranoid and delusional.
No one here is even suggesting waging war against anyone, you IMBECILE.
Trump said that another threat from NK would result in “fire and fury” the likes of which the world has never seen before.
So, “yes”, Trump threatened to wage war.
You IMBECILE.
Hey, if you’re poll numbers suck and you’re under threat of impeachment, start a war!
Impeachment is just a wet dream of idiots like you Joe, how about commenting on loretta lynch using an alias to conduct official business?? what, nothing to say? is that because she was part of the “most transparent admin in history”?… you really do need to stop sniffing glue! your comments make commissar seem rational
No Fyr.
Republicans are already discussing internally and a few have already done so openly.
And it is why Pence has created a political action committee for himself. Something a vice president has never done before. Let me be clear; a sitting vice president has never set up an independent campaign mechanism, and never set up an independent political action committee, and never set up an independent fund raising mechanism.
He is clearly preparing to run for RE-election as president.
BEST case he is preparing for the POSSIBILITY he might need to run for re-election.
But even then it would mean the possibility of impeachment is not a “wet dream of idiots” but instead a contingency the GoP is preparing for.
Would those be the same polls predicting a loss for Donald Trump (in a landslide no less)? Didn’t pan out did it?
Polls? What the fuck are you taking about?
The fact that Trump has abysmal polling numbers is not the reason he is going to be impeached.
And you do not understand polling. Which makes you a perfect Trump supporter because he can convince his sheep minded flock to ignore hundreds of polls covering thousands of political districts over several months with a single 144 character tweet.
The polls Joe just referenced in his comment, you fucking schmuck. I’m getting the impression you’re not very bright.
I your response is directed at his comment, then.. REPLY TO HIM, you fucking schmuck.
I am getting the impression you’re not very bright.
Not my problem if you can’t follow a conversation just because my reply has a different color background. You really are incapable of independent thought aren’t you?
Only deep state rino’s… Anyone that’s been paying attention or has half a brain realizes that this is a fantasy, just as the so-called Russia collusion BS that the left keeps pushing…Clinton did meet the standard for impeachment, the senate just didn’t have th guts to follow through.. as more info comes out, it becomes more obvious that obama and his cronies met that standard as well (fast and furious, IRS targeting conservative groups, classified leaks, etc, etc), or HRC and her eails? and have you seen the latest about loretta lynch conduction official business with an alias email? Come on commissar, don’t believe the hype!
Russian collusion is not BS.
Whether Trump is involved is not critical to whether collusion occurred.
We know Robert Mueller has already sought two indictments involving his investigation of Trump campaign collusion with Russia. And since Federal Gand juries approve indictments in 99.99 percent of cases (true statistic) that Mueller has already obtained TWO indictments (criminal charges) in relation to Russian collusion.
We already know his Donald Trump Jr. went to a meeting where he expected to get official Russian government intelligence on Hillary Clinton.
“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
We also know that the Russians were doing this because the Russian government supports Trump.
Regardless of what occurred in the room his going there was a evidence he was willing to collude with the Russians.
And it was absolute proof that he INTENDED to violate campaign finance laws.
And that is only one meeting.
And this was a meeting that Donald Trump Jr. previously LIED and denied ever occurred. Why lie about it?
We know Roger Stone was in communication with Gucifer. The hacker that stole DNC information.
We know Micheal Flynn was in contact with a Russian hacker groups trying to acquire Clinton emails.
We know Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had to register as a foreign agent working on behalf of the Ukranian Party of Regions the pro-Russian puppet party in the Ukraine which is also heavily connected to Russian intelligence operations.
We know Paul Manfort’s house was raided by the FBI this morning.
Is this the Mueller that has stacked his team with obama / hillary supporters? You statements about Trum jr. et al are based on reports, not facts, and the sources of some of those reports are highly suspect..And looking to obtain incriminating info on an opponent is not collusion. And so far, the only fact out there is that a Grand Jury has been impaneled..there is nothing out there that is reliable that any indictments have been sought..
not to mention that grand juries are only shown one side of the story: the common cliche is that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor chose to.
Not to mention that the constant use of “we” implies that the user thinks he is a part of that “team” and has any kind of authority, when in fact, he does not.
You have to wonder if “we” means he has a mouse in his pocket.
No, I mean “we” as the “public” as in “We the people”.
Moron.
I was addressing someone else, someone named David, you obnoxious, conceited imbecile.
You were addressing someone else about me.
So I clarified.
It is not exactly conceited since it WAS about me.
And 5 Beers has convinced me to try to be more polite to you.
So I will.
Which I guess means ignoring you more often.
Not sure what else it could mean.
Every one of your responses are just regurgitated Breitbart narratives.
And bullshit.
Mueller did not stack his team. But even if he did IT DOES NOT MATTER. They are seeking indictments and using actual admissible evidence to get them. You would not expect any team of investigators to be loyal to the subject of the investigation.
And the fact that this is DC area investigation and DC went 90+% for Hillary and they have graduate degrees and Hillary won people wth graduate degrees by 20 points; you would expect there would be more Hillary supporters than Trump supporters even if appointed at random.
And if I was an investigator charged with leading a team investigating whether a politician committed a crime, in an era of frequent leaks, I sure a shit would not put anyone on the team that financially contributed to that politician’s campaign. But what not care if they submitted to other campaigns because OTHER politicians are not the subject of the investigation.
That is common sense. And the fact that Trump is trying to spin this as “unfair” because Mueller, who is conducting a CRIMINAL investigation on the Trump campaign did not put Trump supporters on his team is fucking ridiculous and only a complete moron would think it was a problem.
And Mueller does have some republicans on the team. It is just not clear if they voted for Trump. They did not donate to Trump.
The statements about Trump Jr ARE ALL BASED ON HIS OWN ADMISSIONS AND THE EMAILS HE RELEASED!!! Not fake news. HIS OWN WORDS ON FILM AND HIS THE EMAILS HER PERSONALLY RELEASED!
The statements about Manafort are based on the FACT THAT HE REGISTERED AS A FOREIGN AGENT!!! Not a fake news story. Real.
ok, apparently i wasn’t clear enough… first, i never said that he should put people who donated to the President on his team, I just pointed out the fact that a number of the people he did put on were BIG donors to HRC. Even though I tend to support the other side, i have never done anything that would lead to me being considered a BIG donor… these are not run of the mill, average democrats, they are ones who have a vested interest in attacking the President, and derailing his agenda. I also never said anything about Manafort, and it may well be true that he did something illegal, though neither you nor I know that at this time, though even that fact doesn’t mean it has anything to do with the President, or collusion.
OOH, and just to be clear, I couldn’t tell you the last time I was on Brietbart,
You are going to wake up one day and realize that you were wrong about Trump all along.
Dud, you just need to cool out. Time to take your thumb out of your ass and switch it for the one in your mouth.
You’ve got a long 7-1/2 years ahead of you buddy. Good luck.
No. I don’t.
If you think Trump is going to last 8 years you are not paying attention. And probably dismiss things that are actually happening as “fake news”.
Oh you sure do.
You are going to wake up one day and realize that no one ever pays any attention to anything you say, and that bartender who has put up with your ramblings for months wants you out, because you’re scaring the other customers.
You are paranoid and delusional. Get some help with your problem, or start walking the streets with a sandwich board like that guy I used to see at lunchtime who was sure we were going to be invaded by Russians any minute.
He was, in fact, less nuts than you are.
Then stop paying attention to what I say.
You never say anything intelligent or insightful in response anyway.
Jam it, asswipe.
You don’t own me or anything or anyone else. You’re just a mouthpiece for appeasement.
I say ignore my comments after you claim “nobody” pays attention to my comments”.
And you say “You don’t own me”.
Damn you are stupid.
I don’t ignore your comments Lars. I treat you with the same respect I treat Werhaboos, Tankies (I’m probably repeating myself with that one for you.) and people that think that Chris Roberts is a competent developer.
In that I think you’re the funniest thing to read/yank the chain when I’m waiting around.
Lay off the Acid, the NKVD doesn’t like it’s officers on that shit.
And I say again jammit, asswipe.
HEY Babbles McButthead, how about a big quantity of American Uranium suddenly being sold to Russia after a huge donation to the Clinton Foundation while Das Hildebeast was 0bama’s Secretary of State?
Your point?
I despise Clinton. I think she should be in jail.
But that does not make Trump’s bullshit OK.
Hey, it worked for BJ Willie . . . . and it echoed a popular movie, too! Ever hear of “Wag the Dog”, Joe?
And if Obama had told North Korea “you attack us and retaliation will be fiery, massive, swift, and decisive” instead of kissing their ass, Lars would be busy cleaning his post-orgasm shorts for days…
Bullshit.
I am not one of the partisan pieces of shit on this board who thinks the other side is always wrong about all things and nothing there side ever does is wrong.
I criticized Obama openly several times. Even on this board.
I have also voted for and supported several republicans and I have openly displayed hatred for several key democrats.
Obama would never have said something this stupid. And if he had I would have said he is a fucking moron for saying it.
Because it was something only a fucking moron would say.
Sorry, meant to put this comment here rather than above.
Dud (not a misspelling), you just need to cool out. Time to take your thumb out of your ass and switch it for the one in your mouth.
I’ll ask again, as above. Now that SecDef Mattis has come out and said basically the same thing, are you calling him a moron??? PLEASE say yes, I’d love to see how that works out for you!
He didn’t say the same thing. Not even close to the same thing.
It is a bit revolting you tried to play that card.
If Obama had some of the things Trump has done you would have torn him to shreds on this board.
If Obama had done any of the following things;
Comparing partying and having sex in the 80s to serving in Vietnam because of the “risks” he took.
Avoiding the draft through multiple deferments.
Claiming he likes heroes that were never captured.
Criticizing a gold star family (this boarding defending Trump on this is the moment I realized this board is just a right wing propaganda site)
Saying he always felt he had military experience because he went to a private military academy; for HIGH SCHOOL. (The same military academy asked its wealthiest graduate to donate $7 million so it could avoid bankruptcy in 2004. Trump refused. It went bankrupt and was bought at auction for $16M by a Chinese real estate mogul.).
You would not be OK with Obama doing and saying much of what Trump does and says.
The Gold Star family you refer to, would that be the one that was PAID for that staged appearance? The one in which the father is a supporter of Muslim Extremists? Is that the one you’re talking about?
Based on prior articles, yes – that’s the one Commissar was referencing above.
Apparently he finds criticism of Islamic extremists making paid political statements a bad thing – when those Islamic extremists support his preferred candidates.
Thanks Hondo, I just wanted to be sure I knew which family he was taking about
God damn Fyr, you really just swallow bullshit propaganda like you are sucking a milky tit.
The claim that the Khan family support Muslim Extremists has ZERO evidence and was ENTIRELY MANUFACTURED by a right wing political groups without a single shred of evidence.
They literally just made it up. Posted a story hoping it would go viral. And NEVER OFFERED ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.
At least the Veterans of Foreign wars and EVERY OTHER MAJOR VETERAN ORGANIZATION knows it was wrong for Trump to verbally attack a gold star family.
You just hate them, regardless of their sacrifice to this country, because they supported a candidate that you oppose.
Which makes you the partisan dirtbag I thought you were.
Commissar, it would be so easy to sink to your level, and respond with anger or profanity, but i refuse to be dragged into the swamp with you. The only things online that support you position are left wing sites like huffpo, or slate. I do not hate them, any more than I hate people I know who voted for the twitchy bitch of benghazi, I merely point out when they have very questionable ties, through law firms etc in this case. I do not for a second dismiss the sacrifice of their son, who is a true hero, and for you to suggest otherwise shows that you are nothing but a partisan hack. I’m also not going to go into the kind of personal attacks you use above and elsewhere, as that just shows you to be a sad little man. As others suggested here, please seek professional help before all the anger you’re showing here causes you significant medical issues.
I see his anger issues as something stemming from a serious personal issue he has, IMHO it’s likely from an insecurity complex, look at how he always thinks he HAS to impress us with his supposed intellect.
avoiding the draft through multiple deferments… guess that makes me a draft dodger – I was 2S for a few years before I wound up volunteering. Here’s a news flash: Taking a legal deferment is not necessarily draft dodging. (Now, draft dodging like Bill Clinton openly spoke of, or the assholes who went to Canada, is a different story.) You assume that anyone here will have a knee-jerk defense of Trump, and that Obama could do no wrong, when your opinion is not only demonstrably wrong but antagonistically presented. Now me, I think Trump is a jerk and a poor President… but I also could give a shit about my high school, had college deferments, and think the only way to stand up to a bully is not to appease him, but to make sure he knows that continued bullying is going to result in an extreme response.
I NEVER said Obama could do no wrong.
Trump AVOIDED the draft. With FIVE deferments. And NEVER served.
And Trump is not standing up to a bully.
He made a stupid bombastic inflammatory threat that not only he could not keep HE ALREADY IS FAILING TO KEEP IT.
He threatened “fire and fury” if North Korea ever threatened the US again. NK did immediately after they heard the threat.
Fucking crickets on Trump’s end.
So he did the EXACT OPPOSITE of making sure they know continued bullying is going to result in an extreme response.
He only proved he is willing to make ridiculous empty threats in response to ridiculous empty threats.
And the very idea that NK is “bullying” the US is absurd.
NK is not even close to a legitimate threat to the US. The threat NK presents can and has been largely ignored and they have GROWN COMPARATIVELY WEAKER with compared to the US and US allies with every passing year.
Sure it is possible NK could kill Americans. Every country in the world has that capacity.
But a war with Korea is CERTAIN to kill far more Americans and allies than anything Korea could do unilaterally.
Time is not on Kim Jong Un’s side. His regime is not stable nor has he managed to win the support of his population. Which means, unlike his father and grandfather, if elites in the government try to take over they do not have to worry about the people turning on them.
Which is why Kim Jong Un has had to continuously purge his government to protect himself from HIS OWN GOVERNMENT.
We DO NOT NEED TO START A WAR WITH NORTH KOREA.
We have lived under far worse threats far longer and overcame them without war.
Yes he did Commissar – just like anyone else who went to college for 4 years continuously between 1964 and 1968 received 4 student deferrments.
The 5th deferrment, in Oct 1968, was medical. Don’t like that one? Then talk to whoever at the Selective Service Administration and/or Army Medical Corps approved it. If it was bogus, they should have called him on it at that point.
His draft number in 1969 was high enough that he didn’t have to sweat being drafted.
If you’re going to criticize everyone who received a student or medical deferrment to the draft during Vietnam because they were in college or had a medical issue, you’ve got a whole lotta folks to criticize.
Did you notice the level of hysterical noises in that comment by the Poodle, Hondo?
Seriously, how long before his head explodes?
He’s already got the syndrome persongified.
If this board is a “right-wing site”, LARS, why do you still come here?
Maybe this will finally put a sock in the hole under Commissar’s nose and therefore stop all of his shrill wailing that we’ve been subjected to today.
SECDEF Mattis is on board with POTUS in regard to possible courses of action for dealing with North Korea:
“Gen. Mattis warns North Korea not to invite ‘destruction of its people'”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/09/gen-mattis-warns-north-korea-not-to-invite-destruction-its-people.html
‘If Kim Jong Un won’t listen to President Trump, the Mad Dog could make him heel.
Secretary of Defense James “Mad Dog” Mattis echoed his boss’s fiery warning to the dictator of North Korea with harsh rhetoric of his own. And this time, the words came from a battle-tested, four-star U.S. Marine Corps general.
“The DPRK must choose to stop isolating itself and stand down its pursuit of nuclear weapons,” Mattis said in a statement. “The DPRK should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people.”
Mattis provided a powerful follow-up to Trump’s warning that Pyongyang would face “fire and fury” should it continue to test missiles, build nuclear warheads and threaten to attack the United States. Lest anyone think Trump was speaking without the counsel of his top military man, Mattis said Trump is well aware of the depth of the North Korean threat.
“President Trump was informed of the growing threat last December and on taking office his first orders to me emphasized the readiness of our ballistic missile defense and nuclear deterrent forces,” Mattis continued.
“While our State Department is making every effort to resolve this global threat through diplomatic means, it must be noted that the combined allied militaries now possess the most precise, rehearsed and robust defensive and offensive capabilities on Earth. The DPRK regime’s actions will continue to be grossly overmatched by ours and would lose any arms race or conflict it initiates.”
[…].’
Boom.
Sounds like Lars needs to get on the phone with General Mattis to tell him how wrong he is, most ricky tick. I doubt it will happen though. He’s taken enough of a beating today.
I would LOVE to see Mr Berkley go after General Mattis. The General would knife hand him into a sniveling mass and then quite literally destroy his argument in seconds. I do believe the General knows a hell of alot more about NK than Mr Barkley.
JUST let Babbles McButthead whip out his “Empirical Evidence’ to be destroyed by SECDEF Warrior Monk’s knife hand alone, never mind his heat vision!
SECEF and I are on the same page on NK.
http://www.businessinsider.com/secretary-of-defense-mattis-north-koreas-icbm-war-2017-7
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/war-with-north-korea-would-be-catastrophic-mattis-says/
Hell, I am listening to the CBSNews link while I type this because it is open in background and started playing.
And he is saying EXACTLY what I have posted on this board in the past.
SecDef just backed up President Trump’s warning. Good to see you promptly pulled your head out of your ass, you clown shoed goof.
Nonsense. I agree with Mattis.
You just have no clue what you are talking about.
Whoops, spoke too soon. See my post right above yours, seems you’re a bit behind on current events.
Mattis agrees with trump… puck you lars
Commissar, I have read this thread and come to a conclusion. Your rub is not about North Korea or their threats of attack against America or our allies. Your rub is about Trump, period. Almost every post you made has some negative reference to Trump. If you don’t like him fine, that’s your choice. But when a lose cannon such as North Korea threatens us on a regular basis, tests their weapons regularly and are not answerable to any authority, they are indeed a real threat. I am glad the President made it clear to them that we will not step back or step down in the face of their continued aggression. Trump’s statement never used the word nuclear at all. Raining fire and destruction on an enemy can be done easily without nuclear weapons and we have done it. You made the jump from his actual words to the use of nuclear weapons. How many more “test” launches will NK be allowed before we say, is this a just test again or a real threat heading for a target? Whether NK launches a missile at a target with conventional or nuclear payload, it is an act of war and I hope we and our allies lay waste to their country. I do not want a war and I do not want to see people die as a result. But the alternative of appeasing NK with more time, more time and more time hasn’t worked. One way or the other they need their leash tightened, short and quick.
No, I said many of the same things about Korea in the past on this board.
Trump’s statement was particularly stupid.
And I think president capable of that level a stupidity is a problem.
But that does not change my perception on North Korea
Just my trust that Trump is able to handle the issue in a reasonable way.
The administration admitted today that it was an “off the cuff remark”, that he “made up”, and “not to read much into it”.
So, yes, I have a problem with an idiot like that.
You keep referring to Trump’s words yet you have not provided a quote. Specifically which remarks are you referring to?
I’m no Trump supporter, but I wonder how a former Intel officer with a graduate degree would advise one on how to deal with an irrational foe.
Furthermore Lars wants to distance himself from the Obama fellatio he’s been involved in for the past 8 years, yet given the opportunity to criticize Obama for allowing the Chinese to construct artificial Islands on his (Obama’s) watch, Lars chose not to.
IMHO Babbles McButthead is SO firmly self-entrenched in the intellectual oblivion he has brainwashed himself into that he’ll never come out into the real world.
I criticized Obama almost as much as I agree with him.
Overall, he was a disappointment to me.
So trying to claim I was engaged in 8 years of fellatio on Obama is you projecting your own tendency to eagerly swallow your tribe’s political leader’s loads day after day.
Well rather than criticize Obama for his allowing of the Chinese to build artificial Islands, your assertion was that the construction of the islands were started on W’s watch. Despite the historical record. Dipshit.
Yeah, but didn’t I acknowledge I was wrong?
I had heard about the Chinese plan for building artificial islands in 2001 while studying Mandarin at DLI.
And by early 2007 it was widely publicly reported that they were going to do it.
So my memory of the issue was that it was at least a decade old.
I had also confused it for a controversy I heard about over the Spratly Islands back when I was stationed in Okinawa in the early 90s. It was about “artificial islands” being used to claim control over sea lanes.
Turns out that those “artificial islands” were claimed by the Chinese but not the same ones that China was building.
Essentially the UN often classifies Islands built on or by coral reefs as “artificial”. There was a dispute whether these islands were actually islands and if they were whether the international waters surrounding them was 12 miles from the shore or 200 miles.
Which all would be determined by how the islands were classified and if they were classified as islands at all.
Can any of you defending Trump because this “tough talk” makes t clear we are serious explain how this series of events makes it clear we are “serious”.
He makes remark that the US will respond to any future VERBAL threats to the US with a nuclear attack on North Korea, at a golf course…
then North Korea immediately responds with another threat…
and Trump does nothing but say his threat was an off the cuff remark that “he made up”, and “don’t read too much into it.”
And the administration rolls back the threat through Tillerson…
So how does that make it clear we are serious?
Is this another one of those moronic “take the president seriously, but not literally” things?
Loons make better noise than loon posting comments to bait people.
Commissar, you stated the same untruth again. Trump NEVER used the word nuclear in his statement. If you don’t think the U.S. and its allies can bring fire and fury down on NK without nuclear weapons then you are sorely misinformed.
And yes, I agree with what he said.
Trump said fire and fury the likes of which this world has never seen before.
He intentionally directly mirrored Truman’s threat to Japan and Truman was talking about nuclear weapons.
So was Trump.
And the comment in the context of a nuclear stand-off SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPECTED TO BE INTERPRETED AS A NUCLEAR THREAT.
So if he did not mean nuclear he is even more of a fucking idiot than if he did.
Insiders have already acknowledged that he has said similar things during meetings and HE IS TALKING ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
Besides, we have seen the fire and fury of individual nuclear weapons, and we have seen the conventional fire and fury of a global war that killed millions of people ending in two nuclear attacks.
For Trump to unleash more fire and fury than the world has ever seen he would have to use multiple nuclear weapons.
So you misinterpreted what President Trump said. Nope, not very bright at all…
Lars never heard of “figure of speech”, as in hyperbole: a description that is exaggerized for emphasis.
Yes, but he is not at a cocktail party.
He is the President of the United States talking to the press at a press conference and what he says is by definition the official position of the administration.
When we are dealing with the potential for armed conflict that could kill hundreds of thousands of American and allied lives…
you choose you words wisely.
You do not speak off the cuff with exaggeration and hyperbole.
That is what North Korea does.
Nobody respect North Korean rhetoric.
They laugh at it and dismiss the absurdity of it.
Because there is literally no nation on the face of the planet that NK can project force against that it is capable of defeating.
Least of all the US.
You share a common bond with North Korea. Nobody respects your rhetoric either.
North Korea is apparently now considering doing something very very stupid.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/09/politics/north-korea-considering-near-guam-strike/index.html
The Obama administration knew about this:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/obama-administration-knew-about-north-koreas-miniaturized-nukes.html
but but but Trump?!?!?!?
Really, this was news all day and you just noticed it? You really are a dumb fuck.
It was not news all day.
The days news was they made the rhetorical threat to hit Guam. They make rhetorical threats all the time.
The fact that they actually were planning to fire four missiles near Guam (rather than merely threatening to hit Guam) was a late evening development.
Actually firing four missiles into the vicinity of Guam, rather than merely threatening to hit Guam is far more provocative and stupid.
Trump is under my bed with a red button, I have a degree and WAS Intel. We will all die while Billy gets a blowjob on pedophile island, Odumba is hanging out with billionaires and could give a shit about Chicongo and Skillary hangs out in the woods and wonders why those people jumped
In front of bullets in Benghazi. Bernies wife is spending her severance after running a college in the ground.
I was not Intel but what the hell. Marines do not care about that crap, Marine truck mechanics, but I guess Army reserve officers care less, yeah you Lars.