Pentagon seeks delay in transgender recruiting policy
According to The Hill, the service chiefs have asked the Pentagon for a delay in institution of the last administration’s plan to accept new transgender recruits.
According to the AP, which cited unnamed officials, three of the four service branches wanted more time. The Army and Air Force wanted a two-year delay, while the Navy requested a one-year delay at the request of the Marines, which is under the Navy’s purview.
The four service chiefs met with Deputy Defense Secretary Bob Work about the issue this week, according to the AP.
The chiefs believe the extra six months before implementing the policy would give the services time to gauge if currently serving transgender troops are facing problems and what necessary changes the military bases might have to make, the AP reported.
Not to mention that there’s this on-going war thing happening on three continents that probably deserves more attention than the social engineering policies of the last administration.
The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) argued that a delay would harm readiness.
“Each day that passes without implementing the final piece of this important policy harms our military readiness and restricts the Armed Forces ability to recruit the best and the brightest,” Stephen Peters, HRC national press secretary, said in a statement.
Yeah, that strikes me as so much horseshit. How does recruiting youngsters who can’t accept nature’s decision on their gender identity make the military more effective? How does that help our deployed troops kill our nation’s enemies in greater numbers? It only wastes money on social glad-handing that could be better spent on readiness and training.
While the services are trying to work out the deployment of thousands of troops to fight terrorism, they don’t need the distraction of the social integration of deviant lifestyles.
Category: Big Pentagon
Maybe there is a place for them in PSYOP.
Call them the “Confusion Corps”
Think of the “special ops” possibilities.
Confusion Corps …. BWHAAAAA
They already have a confusion corps though, they just call it the Pentagon.
AKA the Five Sided Asylum across the river from the Open Air Brothel on the Potomac.
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I don’t think ANY type of medical or social experts even have a grip on what the fuck a “transgender” is and any type of long term mental and physical affect it will have on people.
But they expect the military to figure it out.
Yep, put the perverts in the military, will help a lot, right when you need men, you get fruitcakes wanting a leave to get the balls cut off or some sewed on…and the govt pay for it! Another moronic idea from obozo the pervert!!
It will take many years to recover from the damage 0bama and friends have done to the military.
Why can’t Trump just cancel the transgender policy?
I thought elections had consequences. ..
People are denied entry into the Armed Forces every day for not meeting scholastic, legal, physical, and mental standards.
Remind me again why we’re even having this conversation?
Some people are ashamed of their wiener. They like to dress up and play naughty girl in their off time.
Just because they like to gargle with gonads while wearing a dress to hide their pee pee doesnt mean they can’t learn to go pew pew pew with the rest of the kids.
You are so out of touch bro, get with the program.
Because people like me who are transgender. I aced the asvab test to get enlisted. Passed the physical entrance. Aced every exam to rank up while in and every exam while in school. Acquired and maintained a Top Secret Clearance while on my first ship while no other welders aboard could due to the fact that 90% on the people on board were criminals forced to enlist or go to jail by the courts back in the 70’s. Could lift over 400LBs. Was given a Letter of Commendation by CINCPAC Fleet for being top welder on west cost while serving aboard ship in the Gulf during the gulf war. Served on 5 different ships. 8 West-Pac deployments. Also received Honorable Discharge after 12 years of service. I served this great Country with Honor. So tell me why wouldn’t they let me in with out any pre-disposition and prejudices towards Transgendered people. I could swear that in the Constitution it states that all are created Equal.
HT2 Harrington Veteran w/Honor
Thank you for your service to our country, and congratulations on your successful tours. You may be the one exception, but I feel someone who is conflicted about their sex needs professional help, not enabling.
It’s not about whether or not you should serve – it’s about the accommodations that are being demanded in trade for their service.
This is about the long and short of it. People CHOOSE to join the military knowing that the individual must conform to the institution. That is how a successful military is made. Everyone conforms and a STANDARD is set in place. This generation of snowflakes who have been fed the bowl of “you’re SPECIAL!” their entire lives are buying their own hype and making demands now.
Your story sounds like bullshit, honestly. Maybe someone more familiar with ship life could explain why welders needed TS clearances. Also, maybe I’m misinterpreting things here, but you served in the 1970s and in Gulf Storm in 1991, with 12 years total? That’s mathematically possible, but you had to have gotten out immediately, and would you really have done that with such high praise from CINCPAC? Not to mention were you on the West Coast or in the Gulf during that war?
And then, even if you are being truthful, it’s really nice of you to indiscriminately shit on your shipmates as criminals. Blue falcon, you are.
In short, fuck you, Marci.
Maybe Marci meant TS as in TransSexual clearance?
Toxic Shock from retaining a tampon too long in his mangina?
Hi CAPT-RET Infantry/CIB NCO Phenix City,Alabama great time at Ft Benning Ga Saturday-Well before I joined the ALARNG I was in the USN from 1984-93-A TM and had a Secret . I did serve in Panama ,Desert Storm, Somalia . That because I was a East Coast Sailor and Desert Storm while on Shore Duty 1990-92 I volunteerd on board USS LaSalle AGF-3 Bahrain and then permantly on her 1992-1993 and went into Somalia. I went to 2x 2007/08 and 2009/10 with the 1/167th (M)Infantry. But yes why does a welder need a TS- And also the 70s and 90s plus 12 years is total BS. Also when the DOD went to a all Volunteer Service in 1973 they outlawed the join or jail and also that was mostly very limited even in the draft era.
What the heck does a welder need a TS for?
As someone involved in the PRP program I gotta say that an HT2 claiming to be the top welder and having a TS…is the least of the BS I see in your statement. lol
90% criminals…get real, that statement is just ridonkulous.
Uh, if it was the 1970s, the Navy did not use the ASVAB test. That was the USAF. The Navy and Army used their own screening tests until late in that decade.
And ONLY HT2? In 8 years? I made E-5 in 2.5 years, Marci, you trollbaiting bimp.
Marci ‘honor’ Harrington is a lying little attention whore.
Haha, you picked that up too.
I was like “Harrington? In the Navy? Like Honor Harrington?”
I smell BS all the way to the social justice warrior meeting at the local chapter house.
They don’t. As a nuke welder, you might need a Confidential clearance to work on the plants because of NNPI, but that’s about it.
So, did the 12 years of service award you that chip on your shoulder?
Sure, let me clear this up for you. While people are on active duty their sexual preference should be of no consideration to anyone.
Demanding that people call you Marci, provide special places for you to go pee pee, or toprance around in a dress while on liberty in some foreign country is absurd
90% of no command in the military was forced to join or go to jail. You have some need to exaggerate so I will go with the odds that you probably could only lift 200 lbs were only on 3 ships and did 2 West-Pac deployments. What that has to do with demanding to be recognized for wanting to act like a woman…I have no idea.
Had you been openly prancing about ship like that you would have become a distraction that adversely effected the combat readiness of your command.
In short, your presence would have made us more lethal to the enemy in no way. I like pussy, I dont demand to be recognized for it. I demand no special consideration because pussy likes me back.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/16/armys-transgender-policy-includes-guidelines-on-male-pregnancies.html
lol….yeah this makes the forces stronger.
Like I said previously, I’ve had to sit through the Army TG training…it’s absurd.
To me it was even more IQ-depleting than the LGBwhatever training.
I meant “LGBTwhatever…”
There IS an LGBT that I like on Facebook and its “Liquor, Bacon, Guns and Tits” there is an LGB I like and It’s LGB “G” Scale Model Trains. Damned liberal do-gooders always have to fuck things up to make themselves feel special!
You had me at Liquor, Bacon, Guns, and Tits….
LGBT stands for: Liberty, Guns, Beer, Tits. I bought the old man the T-Shirt.
LGBT stands for: Liberty, Guns, Beer, and Tits. I bought the old man the T-shirt. By the way, unless it supports READINESS, it has no business in the military period. The request to delay further influx of individuals who identify sexually different than their biological sex, isn’t unreasonable considering the ramifications it will have on READINESS. Sexuality is a personal concern. Forcing the military to make special accommodation for a PERSONAL choice is BS. Conform or get cast out.
Wait, I thought all the pussy was after Hondo?
I can’t keep up with all the changes since I’m just a lowly Soldier.
Soldiers are lovers too.
That is a sexist and de-humanizing comment. Women are not just a housing unit for sexual gratification facilities.
If this guy/gal can make a great sandwich I don’t care if he/she is wearing panties while he/she does it.
Hondo is attractive to women because he tickles their parietal and temporal cortex without causing premature spasms of the anterior thalamic nucleus.
As a general rule concerning me…they mostly love to hate me.
The most useful thing I learned in school:
Klüver–Bucy Syndrome produces women with hyperorality, hypersexuality and docility.
Perfect women
Oh…before busting through HIPAA protected files to find one, make sure ya don’t confuse that with Gary Busey Syndrome…the name says it all.
The video uses a sock puppet and a coffee pot.
Hmm…I will but that on my list of things to investigate.
I am still working through the whole Cuck experience Jonn recommended a while back.
I thought it was going to be like me watching her do live porn but so far its more like she watches me do the dishes and laundry.
Jonn seemed to be into it so I am giving it time.
“so far its more like she watches me do the dishes and laundry.”
lol…that’s pretty typical, wife porn
Also known as, Honey-Do porn.
It’s only wife porn if she doesn’t let him wear pants under the apron.
You win this string of comments Ex…
I cannot resist this.
These days I am more into doing a 68. Thats when she does me and I owe her one.
It seems like you and I know a lot of the same women then.
Hey Marci – I have a great boyfriend for you. Was recruited straight from Basic in New Jersey to become a sniper because his marksmanship skills were so awesome and spent years in Africa and other places taking folks out on missions so top secret he can’t talk about them today except maybe in barrooms. You two would get along great!!! Plus you both have brown eyes… for the same reason.
If you did serve in the seventies as a “woman in a man;s body” you didn’t tell anyone. So what’s the point? The point is whatever you are or were should be kept between your ears and not broadcast and today, not forced down everyone’s throat for accommodation. The truth is, this has nothing to do with wanting to serve this country and everything to do with wanting, special attention, privilege, accommodation and minority status. The last bell ringer is to be a special snowflake group protected under law which is absurd. Go be a man or woman or whatever you want, but don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.
You remind me of gay pride parades.
Just go be gay and shut the fuck up and live your life. Stop DEMANDING that everyone acknowledge your confusion or worship it and pat you on the back for it.
Besides that, your little story is bullshit so shut the fuck up on that account also.
Hmmm…sounds impressive…or does it?
1-Aced all the ASVAB tests but chose HT? No nuke program? No advanced electronics field? Hmmm
2-Back in my day, nuke welding was a NEC 49-something, so you needed C-school and a security clearance…not sure it was Top Secret.
3-The 5 ships in 12 years seems to be a stretch. They had to carriers (CVN’s) or sub tenders (AS). No other ships have a need for nuke welders.
4-8 deployments in 12 years seems high…awfully high especially if there was any time on a tender.
5-HT2 after 12 years? This is the one I doubt the most. 5 years’ max (low-speed, high-drag types) to E-5/HT2 then 3 years to E-6/HT1. Hell, with a 49xx NEC code you should have been HTC or at least been selected. I mean, CINCPAC was a big admirer of your work, right? I should have been a 2nd class, but I studied for the SAT’s instead. I knew I was going to college…its whole reason I joined and it was only for 4 years.
6-You can send Jonn your DD-214 to verify your claims. Until then, not many people are believing what you claim…just saying.
Marci, IDGAF if you want to wear a dress and heels in your off time, what matters to me if I’m an NCO in your CoC is if you’re dragging down the effectiveness and Combat Readiness of the Unit. YOU volunteered to become part of the US Navy and in doing so YOU VOLUNTEERED to groom yourself to conform to the needs of the Navy, I did so with the US Army. IMHO coming into ANY of the Armed Services suddenly demanding special accommodations for yourself like they’re doing with transgrnders is placing a VERY unnecessary burden at the cost of unit morale, cohesion, facilities and combat readiness as well as deployability. “The unit is deploying but PFC Joe/Jane in 2nd Platoon needs a replacement because his/her Doctor said due to hormone treatment…”
OH and referring to 90% of your Shipmates as “Criminals”, NICE MOVE you conceited BLUE FALCON! Stuff that down your pantyhose and have a Disney day.
Oh, brother, what a load of crap.
Harrington? With Honor? Could you BE less original, shitbag? You aren’t even trying, you bimbo.
Honor Harrington is a fictional character created by David Weber in 1992.
Get over yourself, willya, BITCH????
The real question is that poster is likely trolling us under that name. 🙂
that = what
Yes, indeed. So it is.
Y’know, the guys in Les Ballets Trokcadero at least admit to their deceit, but the Trocks are doing it mostly for the fun of it.
This drab is doing it for attention whoring. Too typical.
So Harrington. The Navy of the 70s let you run around dressed as a woman?
Knowing the Navy I wouldn’t be surprised but in the 70s even the Navy had standards.
So I’m throwing the BS flag
M Harrington, I’m willing to bet you didn’t wear a skirt and berth with the females while you served.
Sounds like you served honorably, but don’t try to compare what you did to what Transgenders ( and the military) experience will be if they are allowed to enlist now,
MH How come only 12 years?
That is because no has a right to be
in The US Military -It is a privilege got that. The US Military job is to protect and defend the US and defeat the enemy ,not be some damn social engineering project. So what you could weld, but can you bust a heavy door that may me blocked and not know who is on the other and this might be your last day on this planet? US ARMY INFANTRY/CIB NCO 5X COMBAT VETERAN RETIRED. TELL ME AGAIN WHY JUST 12?
Lets look at your DD 214.
Mind I have 3 DD214s and a DD215 and a NG22 . You my SSN My VFW 5228 Phenix City, Alabama .You can call 800-827-1000 you can also call the Alabama Joint Forces Headquarters .I was out 1993-1995 ,Guard 1995-1996 the Guard was basically broke -USNR Columbus GA SK2 1996-2000- IRR 2000-2003 , ALARNG 2003-2011 -1/167th (M) Infantry. 2007/2008 Camp Arijan,Kuwait -Convoy Escort /Gun Truck Operator -M2 .50 Caliber MG 7,996 Miles driven in Iraq on 8 Missions . 2009/10 Camp Buehring,Kuwait -SECFOR North K Crossing to Route Tampa via Route Aspen 1148th Chemical Company -Yes as a 11B I was assigned to Chemical Company. Any way we just laid CSM(RET) Plass to rest 97 years old 3 CIB /War Veteran WW2,Korea,Vietnam 1938-1971. OH ALSO ROLLTIDE!! Just to let you know I am 51 years old -Joined OCT 9,1984-Great Lakes,ILL.
I think he was speaking to Marci, not to you.
I don’t believe half of what you posted. Hell, I don’t believe any of it.
Does the constitution say “All Men…” or “all perverts…”?
“I could swear that in the Constitution it states that all are created Equal”
You’d be wrong.
This is something that needs to put on hold…indefinitely. I mean really…are trans-gender troops going to be difference in the war on terrorism? I didn’t think so either.
If they really want to help they can for the DoD.
And here I thought there were only two types of gender….silly ass me.
Agender / genderless.
Androgyne.
Bigender.
Genderqueer / Non-binary.
Gender bender.
Hijra.
Pangender.
Queer heterosexuality.
Just showed that list to an openly-lesbian* coworker. Her response: “What the hell is this asinine bullshit?” She’s a chick who prefers chicks (monogamously at that), and she finds the “multiple genders” thing utterly absurd.
*I don’t agree with her lifestyle choice. That doesn’t mean that I can’t see her value as a person. This is why, despite my disagreement with her orientation, she and I not only get along, we are friends, I trust her with my kids (she and her girlfriend have two boys), and I tolerate nobody talking shit or otherwise disrespecting her (not that she can’t handle herself just fine). She knows my opinions, and we are still friends anyway. I don’t have to approve of which way she swings, since it’s none of my business, and it has zero bearing on the fact that she’s one of the finest people I know.
Is she hot and more importantly, do you have pictures? 😉
You forgot “tits on a bull”
IF I HAD a dollar for every existing gender, I’d have TWO DOLLARS and a shitpot of counterfeits!
Male to Female transgeders may be using the ultimate male privilege card. I’ll explain. At any moment, a man is able to completely negate the female experience by claiming to be awoan and that being a woman has nothing to do with having a vagina.
Why women allow such privilege is beyond me but makes me think of cases in which the same logic should be used by the military.
RECRUITING OF NON-DEPLOYABLE SOLDIERS: Ongoing hormone therapy makes a service member non-deployable. Other candidates that were denied their opportunity to fulfill ther desire to serve because they take medicine that makes them non-deployable should sue for gender discrimination. Nothing would make the force more ready.
ANOREXIA AS THE NEW BLACK: We should also embrace anorexia as a simple and positive lifestyle choice. It’s basically the same thing as what transgenders are claiming – a thin person that identifies as fat.
PRIDE IN POSTERS: In the past, we were saddled with cisgendered, mysogistic quotes on military posters from our enemies such as “these are ot men, they are devils!” I await the future military posters upon which will be penned quotes from our enemies such as “they died in droves but sure were the most diverse enemy we’ve ever faced”
With these, we can have real progress.
Holden
Don’t forget all the personnel who have bad joints, bad hearing, a horrid back, that can’t walk without making sounds who want to serve still.
They could call it the Broken Corps maybe? They never suspect us because we can’t carry anything and can’t walk straight without feeling pain. Then, we fuck them up when while they laugh at all the cracking our joints make! We’re the Broken Corps, fear us!
Oh, come on MSG Eric – let them serve, too, and on the front lines. When they get their stuff all shot up, the fine, healthy specimens are left for breeding new stock. What’s so hard to understand about that?
Must be why they still keep me around. So I can get shot up first.
How about the Broke Dick Corps? Oh, wait that would be sexist. But there could also be a Chicks with Dicks Division.
Sure. Give them their own barracks, platoon, and color name tapes, preferably pink with rhinestone lettering.
So, I watched this policy develop from a covered and concealed position near the action. Here’s what I think… First and foremost, this has to be about readiness- maintaining standards. We also have to treat people with dignity and respect. The second major consideration is the incredibly small numbers we are talking about in a total force of a few million people. The down side of the small numbers is that we are turning everything on its head for a few people. There is an upside- more on that later. The policy on servicemen already in the force is easy- allow folks to dress and act as whatever gender they want, but they have to maintain standards- even while in transition. Paying for medical treatment is a little complicated, but it turns out that relatively few trans people elect to get what we will call the ‘bottom’ surgery. This is mainly because that procedure can result in a loss of… function. This leaves hormones, steroids, etc. This is a problem, but in the grand scale of military medical treatment it is a drop in the bucket- this is where the small numbers help us. Regardless, the troop has to maintain standards in their current gender throughout. This is why we need a singular PT and performance standard based on MOS and grade, not age and gender. The other factor is what type of transgender person is attracted to the military. We are all thinking of Manning, but the reality is that the trans women (biological men) attracted to the military are typically people that have dealt with their gender dysphoria by being hyper masculine- this is why you have guys like Bruce Jenner and Christopher Beck. The trans men are biological women that want to be men. Check out Shane Ortega. These are the people we want. We don’t want the Mannings, we would take the Jenners. The question is, how do you screen them at the recruiting station or MEPs? I don’t see how you can, so I think the ultimate answer will be that trans people can only… Read more »
“Probably could’ve been a Recon Marine if he wanted.”
You suck.
I still contend that the only reason he became Caitlyn is because Kris Kardashian ripped his nuts off and put them in her purse to sell later for a profit.
This is also a substantially huge factor:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/16/transgender-individuals-face-high-rates–suicide-attempts/31626633/
Almost half of Transgender types commit suicide. That is not something we can worry about as a military. Anyone in the military who even talks about committing suicide, at the least, loses their clearance, is considered for separation, becomes non-deployable, etc etc. Having to worry about which 4 of the 10 transgenders in your unit, statistically, will commit suicide isn’t a good thing.
The cost isn’t just a drop in the bucket. You aren’t considering how often they could be on convalescent leave, dead man’s profile, away at appointments and therapy, and so on. Others will have to cover down on all those duties because of the loss of man hours from all the procedures and time off due to just ‘wanting’ to be transgender.
I spent 3 of my 4 years as an instructor covering down on 6 instructor positions with one other instructor because of 9/11 and our positions not being “critical”. That is the biggest factor that I see in all of this. Someone else has to do all that work and just “deal with it”.
Lastly, you aren’t considering how many will join the military SOLELY for the purpose of getting someone else to pay for the surgery, get paid while they’re in the process, get all those medical benefits and so on, for free. We already have troops who join to be minimalists. We don’t need more who’ll throw out the EO card because they’re expected to lift a canteen but can’t because “transgender!”
Aaahhh, bullshit! I am tired of this twaddle about faucets and bowls.
Biology determines what you are and what you have in your pants. If you’re not happy being you, you won’t be happy being other than you, or changing what’s in your pants.
Biology gives us reproductive organs for reproduction first and foremost. Anything that makes it feel good is a bonus.
This obsession with sex and sexuality is becoming frakking creepy.
I’m not going to look up the exact stats, but post-ops have absurdly high suicide rates. Like you said, they weren’t happy being themselves and they weren’t happy being someone else either.
41% according to the suicide institute study:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/16/transgender-individuals-face-high-rates–suicide-attempts/31626633/
yeah I’ve seen it represented as high as 48% and the low side as 41%…that’s why I said about 45% in my comment.
TGs in general have high suicide rates. From what I have read, though it varies it more often than not comes out to about 45%.
Getting the treatments/transition thus far, has not been shown to lower that rate.
45% is probably the best static number for it.
I’ve thought of doing my dissertation on this subject or a similar subject if for no other reason than the committee is unlikely to criticize me, so I can get it over with quickly. Another advantage is that only a small portion of the population is ever likely to bother reading it.
Know your operational environment. 🙂
In our Holy Bible, Verse 20 of Chapter 5 in the Book of Isaiah tells us that the time would come when that which is good will be called evil and that which is evil will be called good.
Sir Edmund Burke is misquoted as saying,
“The only thing necessary for the success of evil is that good men do nothing.”
Although Sir Edmund Burke did not say that, it is still a true statement, no matter the source.
I am shocked, certainly you meant to quote The Second Book of Nephi chap 15 v 20.
I don’t really care what someone swings like if they can do their job, meet all the standards, and shut the hell up about it. Like anyone else, they shouldn’t suck up a disproportionate share of the resources or require any more attention than the majority of their peers. You don’t get a second MRE at Snuffy’s expense, you don’t get more ammo because you lack discipline, you don’t have to go for your shots every freakin’ week while everyone else carries your load, you do your job, you exceed standards, and when you are done, you go away. If you are confused or transitioning from one group to another, go away and don’t come back till you have it firmly and finally sorted out. Oh, and shut up about it.
According to this, there is about 7,000 transgender troops in a military of 1.3 million – about 0.5% of the total force.
http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/military-transgender-policy-jim-mattis-donald-trump
How much money is enough to meet their “needs”? HRT and follow up medical visits for it? Surgery for those that want to transition? Facilities for their needs?
I’d hate to be the one to tell a Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine/Coastie that is downrange that the reason they don’t have the tools of their trade to do their job is to “accommodate” then needs of a group that is about one half of one percent of the Total Force. The insanity of accommodating every single SJW group needs to stop – it’s ripping this country apart by promoting DIVERSITY…
Sorry for the rant… it’s hot here in the AO today.
Diversity is another word for disparity.
Diversity right now just means there’s too many honky men round here. 🙂
Honky, hunky or horny?
yes
All 3, present company excluded because I am bald, fat, and ugly.
Quit disparaging yourself, Mech.
hey, he didn’t say it like it was a BAD thing
Yes, but he used the word “excluded”, hence my response.
I am not “Honky”, I am Romanian. (Vlad Dracula, “Love at first Bite”.
No, but you are a hunk, yes?
“Honky” is a corruption of “Hunky” which was a slur at Hungarians.
So Vlad’s quip is funny in an “old guy” sense.
Me? Cherokee/German/Polish/Scots/Irish/others, so “Muttley” not “Hunky”.
They also aren’t considering the factor of who will be doing their tasks/duties while they are in the process and can’t be on duty?
The current policy doesn’t give a fukk about any of those realities.
Funny how often that seems to occur with “policy”.
The numbers might be off. I remember looking at the demographics when this topic came up on TAH before, and seem to remember that gender dysphoria was estimated to affect about 0.1 percent of the population at large. In order to accept the 0.5 percent figure from the DoD, you would need to assume a higher incidence in the military.
As mentioned previously, gender dysphoria is considered a form of mental illness by the World Health Organization but not by the Centers for Disease Control. One could argue that the reason for such a disparity is political.
My own view, at least in the context of the Army, is that the most efeective fighting force is one that has a certain level of built-in aggression. Like in the animal kingdom, human physical conflict boils down to a matter of fight or flight. A force willing to confront the enemy at an in-your-face level is most likely to win; one which will flee is not. So far, the scant evidence seems to point to a lack of aggression as being a common characteristic among transgenders.
“…gender dysphoria is considered a form of mental illness by the World Health Organization but not by the Centers for Disease Control.”
It’s still recognized and codifiable in the DSM-5 by the American Psychiatric Association. It also still exists in the ICD-10 diagnostic codes.
The CDC is only an advisory organization in the practice of medicine. They do not make policy and cannot enforce it.
Hmm…Perusing the CDC search engine and the Healthy People 2020 site I don’t see any policy statement against GID/GDD.
What I do see is pretty much just a purge of any and all documents relating to the disorder. CDC put its head in the sand.
No surprise there.
This policy should not be put on hold. It should be shredded, every document pertaining to it, then thrown into the round file, doused with Zippo lighter fluid, lit and forgotten. Tell the public the truth, we cannot and will not try to wage war with just anybody and everybody. Especially those with mental/emotional issues and if transgender confusion is not a mental/emotional issue, then I’ll kiss your ass in the county square. We would not accept a sociopath or schizophrenic person so why would we accept someone who’s wringing their hands about whether they are men or women?
OT but do they still sell Zippos and Zippo lighter fluid? Those were the days.
yes, lighter fluid has even come back to WalMart around here. Best grease stain remover on earth.
Zippo fluid which is Naptha and charcoal lighter fluid which according to a source is JP4.
But, but, equality, inclusion, acceptance, empathy, fairness. How about those considerations? I say we quickly push through these ideals to the exclusion of all others.
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You could life 400 pounds? That’s about the weight of your ego. It’s good of you to lower your standards such that you were able to work with and share space with the 90% who were lowlife miscreants. So thoughtful of you. I need a better story than the one you gave. Can you do better or is that all you got?
Hey, Marci: You say, “Aced every exam to rank up while in and exam while in school.” If so, how is it you got out at 12 years as an E5? “Also received Honorable Discharge after 12 years of service.” Are those your words? Were you in a rating that gave advancement exams only every five years or so? How is it possible to take regularly scheduled exams and be an E5 after 12 years? How about posting your 214 for clarity? You don’t have to but it might explain some things. You can redact sensitive stuff. I never heard of someone who aced every advancement exam but was unable to advance past E5 in 12 years. Even if you PNA’d several series you should be at least a 6 in 12 years. And there is no way a high speed such as you would be PNA’d. The math doesn’t add up here. Just a thought. Thank you for your service.
Luckily, from reading this site, I actually understood about 3 of those Navy terms you stated.
I had 14 months TIG as E-5 and ETSed before my 20th birthday.
Never did learn to weld reactor coolant lines.
Also, E-5 after 12 is dangerously close to HYT.
And we all know what “stellar” folks get caught up in that.
In their early 90s when I was AD Army, 12 years was the cutoff TIS to be QMP’ed.
Correction: 12 years TIS was the cutoff to be QMP’ed as an E5.
They speak as if they know jack shit about Readiness.
Readiness already suffers because of the previous CINC’s (King Barry) reduction of force. Having personnel in the service who will potentially be non-functional for anywhere from 6 months to 2 years of their contract isn’t a positive readiness statistic.
The SOLE readiness metric that means more than Jack Shit is deployability. That’s it. If they can deploy, they are green in “readiness”. And as much as I deal with all the other bullshit metrics like IA Awareness, I still stand by that. If they can’t deploy because they are medically unable to, they will actually hinder a unit’s Readiness.
That doesn’t even factor in the suicide rate, which will also make them non-deployable (linked a story above). Commanders will also have to worry about that kind of thing and not want to deploy them merely because they could become suicidal under austere conditions.
You also have to consider the amount of trans people who will join only to get the military to pay for their surgery. They’ll play every bullshit game they have to do the least amount possible, of which there are already plenty of minimalists in the miiltary. Guys like SFC Martland are awesome and get ONE bad piece of paper and they almost throw him out, but there are hundreds who do the absolute minimum, but don’t get QMP’d because they are minimalist and aren’t expected to do anything more and get rated as such.
I’m sure there are plenty of them who would be functional, capable, do the job well, and serve honorably. However, serving in the military is not a right, it is a privilege. Even IF CSA Milley gets the 170,000 more Soldiers he’s asking for, leaders are already spending 90% of their time on the 10% who are a pain in the ass. We have too many other issues right now that have to be dealt with before this one is tackled.
But, I could be wrong. What do I know, I’m just a Dumb Sergeant….
I just find it ironic that getting a tattoo or piercing can be considered “prohibited” but plumbing rearrangement “OK”.
and ya can’t take steroids even if prescribed by a physician to increase performance, but as soon as you want your gender tweaked, they put you on…steroids.
“Doc, I am allergic to weakness. Won’t Steroids cure that allergic reaction?”
Cant wear white t-shirts on liberty but can wear a dress.
Welcome to the new marine corps. Shit kills me.
Do you suppose the veterans of the Revolution spent much time over Ale bemoaning how easy the “War of 1812” folks had it?
You guys are all in denial. Buncha ass clowns like you suck girldick on your spare time and you know it. Stop being prideful little shits and transition already. Jeez. No one gives a fuck about all you motards. Go back to standing on the side of the freeway asking for money. Buncha faggots.
Did your mother have any children with normal or higher IQ?
*AAAAWWW!*, Poor widdwe snowflake! Did this thread put a cocklebur under your pantyhose?
Little Elvis…
There are a few insults I could post, but I will refrain because they are more than one syllable long and would confuse the shit out of you.
I am willing to bet that quite a few of the people here have a higher IQ, a bigger bank account, and more friends than you. PLEASE come back and make a cognizant argument to defend your position. Until then, you will only be ridiculed and mocked by those who are better than you.
Wow. It resembles a troll, but less coherent.
Commissar could give it lessons. Just sayin….
That troll DOES talk like a UC Berzerkely imbecile and sounds about as tolerant as one.
Nah. The “little” one didn’t make it out of “special” education.
A window licker for sure!
“No one gives a fuck about all you motards.”
And yet, here you are posting nonsense while we all live in your head rent free. lol
I could be wrong, but perhaps this is directed at Marci and its ilk?
no, I think you are correct. I pop in and reply sometimes too quickly, hit or miss. I believe that was a miss.
Either way, the twit doesn’t rise to the level of our usual trolls, so “No go” at this station.
Since he hasn’t come back to explain, I’m guessing the post was actually directed at the TAH alumni.
It was kinda ambiguous depending on how you read it.
Hey, “Little Elvis”… go snarf down a bag of cream filled gummy dicks and booty bang the other troll “Joe”…
Says the guy named after a dude who dressed in spandex and rhinestones, who popped pills like a fat kid on M&M’s, and who died on the shitter.
Sounds about right.
This BS has exactly two things to do with serving.
Jack and shit
It does however have everything to do with advancing a wider social agenda
Excuse me, but does not the military’s agenda Shoot-shoot-bang-bang consist of these two things?
1 – See/find the enemy.
2 – Kill the enemy.
If not, pray tell me. I want my tax money refunded.
The military hasn’t had that agenda for the last 40+ years silly
Heck in the Army troops spend more time in equal opportunity training than rifle marksmanship as an example
That’s not an exaggeration
Oh Crap not Death by EO power point
How I don’t miss that shit
I remember spending more time in politically correct white guilt bullshit power point presentations than I did in Combat training and that was in the early 90s when the Clinton Curse began!
That explains why people like our Glorious Leader retired.
Current problem is identifying a worthy enemy. Blowing mud huts and counting AKs is a waste of
time and resources.
Perzactly why folks object to taxes.
A worthy enemy:
1 – North Korea
2 – Anyone on a jihad
3 – East African pirates
4 – Check morning news
So which PT test are they going to use? Or… do we make up a new one for “undecided, don’t give me a label”.
The suicide thing is a great point. I can just see the headline now, 1/2 of all transgendered military members commit suicide. OMFG, we have to do something. Somebody build PowerPoint slides.
Nah, just bury them and go on about your business.
Wait a minute… if half of them commit suicide, there’s a downside?
On a serious note, though: suicide sucks for all in the area who knew the person, and I can’t imagine the hit on morale bringing thousands of suicide-prone folks in. That alone is pretty healthy justification for saying ‘not only no, HELL no.’
Imagine the SHARP training in a couple years.
At least there would be some new case studies….I’m tired of the deja vu.
So maybe put the training into a musical? You know…
If you don’t See SHARP.
…
Your career will Be Flat.
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