New sheriff won’t allow Norks to rain fire
With Donald Trump’s decision to call Kim Jong Un’s bluff by sending the U.S.S. Carl Vinson task force steaming in the direction of the Hermit Kingdom, there have been multiple articles out there repeating the possible dire consequences of actually engaging the belligerent little bully militarily. The obscure North Korean functionary and propagandist who years ago first threatened to turn his country’s southern sister state into a “Sea of Fire” in response to some minor provocation, may have seemed a bit of a ham-handed saber-rattler at the time, but he most assuredly created a lasting and wearisome media cliché that surfaces in Western publications every time there’s a new dustup with North Korea.
Moreover, almost every article referencing this “Sea of Fire” explains that term to readers by pointing out that Seoul, South Korea’s largest city, lies so close to the border between the two nations that it will likely be destroyed in the opening artillery salvos from the North should the balloon go up. This they point out is almost certainly due to the fact that North Korea has positioned countless thousands of artillery pieces and rocket launchers along their side of the demilitarized zone for just that purpose. They usually quote some military expert that any American attack on North Korea unavoidably will sign Seoul’s doom.
This old soldier ain’t buyin’ it. For one thing, if Seoul is 30 to 35 miles from the closest Nork artillery placements, a quick examination of the map shows that from that narrow southernmost point the North Korean border swings back north, both east and west from that closest point, so that there could only be but a few hundred artillery pieces and rocket launchers, not the thousands quoted by Western media pundits, that are actually that close. More importantly, there are damned few artillery pieces in the Nork army that have a range of 30-plus miles. And for those that do, American and South Korean defensive artillery forces have counter-battery radars in place that are so advanced they not only can direct effective defensive fire to destroy incoming rounds, they can pinpoint the precise firing location of the offending artillery pieces so quickly that our own artillery fire and airstrikes can be directed on them within seconds. As Saddam’s Iraqi forces learned quickly, to fire your artillery at the Americans was to invite your own violent, concussive death mere moments later. And those American radar detection systems and the counter-battery tactics have just kept getting more sophisticated and deadly since we used them in Iraq.
Another fact we hear ballyhooed about the mighty North Korean Army is that it is the fourth largest in the world. That might count for something if they were properly fed, properly clothed, properly trained and properly armed. The Nork annual military budget is a mere seven billion dollars (slightly more than Mexico’s) which doesn’t go very far when you are trying to field the fourth largest force on the planet. It’s telling that sites which rank nations by their military capabilities don’t seem too impressed with the Norks. The globalfirepower.com algorithm places them at number 25, right between Saudi Arabia and Algeria. In Business Insider’s survey of the world’s 35 most powerful militaries, guess who’s dead last?
Those ratings don’t say much for the fighting capabilities of the world’s fourth largest army, do they? A major factor in this negative ranking is that the Nork army is largely a vestige of the Soviet era, without sufficient funds to modernize. That Soviet aspect is clearly captured in the many pics and videos of the recent Day of the Sun celebration in Pyongyang. Look at those visuals and if you’re old enough, tell me they don’t look exactly like Soviet Union output in the 1950’s and 1960’s. It’s one thing to fill a public square with smartly dressed formations of goose-stepping troops to impress the folks; but it’s quite another to send those troops out to fight the most technologically advanced fighting forces in the world. And some sharp-eyed observers, even among their allies, are even saying the Nork missile displays may be a bit off center and wobbly.
I’ve said nothing about the air component of a war with North Korea but I’d bet the farm that if the Norks keep pushing it, they are in for their own coming version of Shock and Awe, a display of our combined modern airpower capabilities that will send a memorable message to Trump-taunting tyrants around the world: “Don’t ever take it as far as that Korean dipshit did.” In the decades we’ve had to plot and monitor North Korea’s air defenses, I would wager almost every single site sits clearly in the crosshairs of one very effective and deadly American or South Korean weapons system or another, with its continued existence, and that of those Norks manning it, depending entirely upon the lack of a command to “commence firing.” Quickly destroyed or degraded they are thus helpless to protect the remainder of the Nork forces, including their vaunted tank divisions, again mostly aged, Soviet hand-me-downs, from a relentless and deadly air onslaught. Are you beginning to see why I don’t buy into all this frantic, lefty media hype about these fearsome Norks?
I close with what will undoubtedly be recognized and lauded by knowledgeable journalists as the best triple-decker cliché of the year:
There’s a new sheriff in town, and at the end of the day, he won’t allow the Norks to rain fire upon Seoul.
Crossposted at American Thinker
Category: Politics
I’ve been a bit skeptical of the media hysteria myself – but I lack sufficient knowledge and experience to give such a reasoned response.
Thank you, Poe!
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Here’s the question. If there would be a war would American forces be allowed to actually do their jobs and destroy the Norks? Would PC come into play? Personally there is nothing to gain from such a war. This dude is all talk. The reality of it all is that they are a third world nation. This will blow over in a matter of weeks.
Well, Chip, if neutralizing the threat to our allies and even our west coast is “nothing to gain” then I guess I’d have to agree with you.
End game may just be “stop the threat.” I don’t know that we are under any compunction to rebuild the Norks’ country. To be honest, I’m not sure that CommChi, S. Korea, and the US all working together could afford to try. No skin off my nose.
To make a parallel: if some perp threatens my family and I kill him, I have no obligation to his family to help them with their financial loss.
You really think they have the delivery systems? I have my doubts.
Chip – they have managed to splash a few into Japan’s waters. At this point I would expect conventional warheads would be most likely, but a nuke is possible for both S. Korea and Japan. For the West Coast (bless their little punkin’ hearts) the threat is not likely at this point in time, but it is a goal of Lil’Kim3.
One of the goals of Lil’ Kim3’s ‘exercises’ is to show at least the ROK and Japan that he poses a real threat to them. He wants to be a threat to US turf – and is hoping to get there soon.
Back to my analogy of the perp threatening my family – I don’t need to wait for him to sight in his firearm when he is tossing lead my way to recognize a clear and present danger. That I have the luxury to not have to worry what the neighbors think, I can take him out first. The US has to be a bit more circumspect – but Trump is getting us there.
A freighter is a delivery system.
A civilian airliner is a delivery system.
A big truck is a delivery system.
Any of those might work, once.
Once you get to a reasonably reliable “fat man” device, you can create one very big mess out of an opponent’s favorite city just by packing the intermodal shipping container with a basic warhead and a pile of metals that absorb neutrons and make fallout. (Cobalt, for one)
Ship it by freighter, swap to a truck, and drive it to the intended site of mayhem.
Sure, there is more to it than that, but the possibility exists. And you can job-out the delivery to any number of willing maniac groups.
Blow the Norks away and let them sit in their own shit after it is over. If other countries want to rebuild those insane mentally challenged turds, good on them. We need to start doing thins Soviet style. Mess with us, we kill you, break your shit and leave.
Don’t count on it, the phat little bastard can’t back down and save face..and he has lots of phat face to save…..I save one MOAB on the a.h.’s house would solve the problem, or maybe on his fancy resort!!
Message posted on a PSYOPS leaflet found floating down near NORK Headquarters –
To Whomever may be reading this:
Say your prayers now cause the new sheriff ain’t shy.
MOAB’s for all, Prepare to die.
We mean what we say, Have A Nice Day. (Smiley Face)
Note: This paper is designed for personal use as a cleansing agent once your initial pants shitting sequence is completed.
We recently sent THAAD stuff to Japan, which upset the Chinese a little. The US is currently installing THAAD stuff in South Korea.
I’ve seen online some of those ‘forbidden’ pictures taken in Morth Korea. The Army is being used to move tree limbs around. Half of the soldiers are too thin for words. There are some things you simply can’t hide and if the Nork military is not getting food supplies as it should, because the money that fat little basterd gets is being spent on folly, idiocy and feeding his effing ego, then his soldiers who are starving may not have much fight in them.
I pity the people of the North who will suffer the most from that fat asshole’s jackassery, but he has to start something, not us, and not China.
Considering the state of the Nork army, you have to wonder whether they’ll go all DS/DS Iraqi on us if we start shooting at them, and drop, en masse, to their knees with their hands in the the air or behind their heads.
A difference I do see, Eden, is that the Norks have been indoctrinated for a couple of generations that their leader is a god and everyone else is evil.
If a large proportion of the military accepts that as truth, then even if starving and under-supplied, they will fight like demons.
The parallel would be how the WWII-era Japanese had been raised to view the Emperor and view their duties to him and their country. Devotion to a belief system like that could prove to be a major factor in the fighting.
Just as the Japanese had made Iwo Jima a nightmare to take, the Norks have had decades to set up a similar scenario on the border lands.
I’m no military tactician, nor do I play one in the local theater, but I’d view the border to the Norks like the Maginot Line – something to go around not through.
We went into that war with the common belief that the Japanese were a bunch of near-sighted buck-toothed dwarfs with funnny accents and no ability to fight Americans.
That attitude cost us much, much blood. Beaten and starving they remained formidable. The last known “holdout” front he Empire of Japan was talked into quitting in 1974.
That level of fanaticism is not unique to Japan, nor unique in history.
You may recall that the DPRK put up one hell of a fight in the 50s. They drove our forces all the way to Pusan, and almost into the sea. That speaks to a certain tenacity.
Today? Who knows. But to assume a cakewalk in war is the height of folly. No one ever lost a war by respecting the opponent, and planning accordingly.
Didn’t someone once say “Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”?
Seriously, though, I think what we are trying to do is neither underestimate nor overestimate a foe.
Overestimating Hitler’s military capabilities in March of 1936 allowed him to gain the capabilities the Allies thought he already had.
Underestimating the US’s willingness to fight is what got Japan in trouble.
I may be a bit fuzzy regarding the battle history but, I do believe that until the chi-com’s sent in their army, the NoRk’s were so-so…I could be wrong, though.
Ever notice how the mainstream media always talks like North Korea is a martial giant and South Korea is some kind of defenseless pacifist enclave cowering under Damocles’s Sword? The ROKs may not have 5 million starving conscripts* carrying shit that Khrushchev declared surplus lined up at the DMZ, but they do have plenty of well-fed, well-trained soldiers with top-of-the-line weapons and gear who’ve been preparing all their lives for this fight. They’re backed with lots of shiny new toys that fly, drive, and blow shit up. Really, the only thing NDtBF possesses that the ROKs don’t is nukes, which only give him so much advantage without a usable delivery system. Never mind the fact that anyone crossing the DMZ faces the not-trivial task of overcoming the world’s densest minefield, and the only way to clear that in a hurry would likely leave it impassable to vehicles without major grading work. Tunnels are decidedly impractical, especially since the ROKs have gotten good at finding them, and certainly have worked out plans to collapse them in a hurry if the need arises. Going around it requires a navy. The ROKs have a decent one, backed by Japan’s** and ours. The Nork navy might’ve been impressive in 1938. Sure, they have lots of boats, few of which float well enough to get out of sight of land, and practically none of which would last longer than a few seconds in a fight. They only managed to sink that one ROK ship via sucker punch. Not saying it would be clean and effortless, as numbers do count for something, but the end result is not in doubt at all. Seoul might have a little bit (not much) of urban redevelopment money flying around afterwards (a couple of shells would likely get through), but it’ll still be there. As for Norkland, remember those nighttime satellite photos showing barely any lights between the DMZ and Red China, except for Pyongyang? I don’t think we’ll see those lights anymore. * How many of those Nork conscripts do you think will surrender immediately and beg not to… Read more »
I would say that at least half, possibly more, will defect or surrender to the South, because it’s very likely they only joined the military to get money for food for their families.
We repeatedly thought the Japanese would see reason and surrender.
They saw reason from a completely different premise, and just would not surrender. Ultimately, we convinced -one- man to quit, and he had the authority to order the rest to quit. Otherwise that war might have dragged on until one side exterminated the other.
They almost deposed him over that surrender, you may recall. There was a very serious attempt that came within a breath of success. If that had happened, genocide might have been the only way to end it.
You may be proven right about the DPRK, but to assume so going in would be highly ill advised.
11B, that’s not the purpose of my piece. Rather, I’m trying to say we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be frightened into inaction by a sensationalist media that plays this same game all too frequently. It’s a favorite ploy of theirs to vastly overstate the military strength of our political enemies. As David notes below, this was the same nonsense the media was pushing about the Iraqi Army.
All I’m saying is, the facts don’t bear it out. Back in 2010 the NORKs fired a surprise artillery barrage at a ROK island. Out of almost 200 rounds, more than 60% fell harmlessly into the surrounding waters. And that was a target almost three kilometers square in a situation where they had the advantage of complete surprise.
Like those who evaluated the NORK’s capabilities in those defense surveys I linked to, I’m not impressed and don’t want to see our nation cowed into geopolitical cowardice as we have for the past eight years.
Almost forgot: considering that the only things mainstream mediots have in THEIR arsenal consists of half-truths, hyperbole and hyper-emotional exaggeration, any report by them should be viewed with a mental reminder to yourself to check other sources and deduct the actual possibility by at least 75%.
http://terminallance.com/2017/04/25/terminal-lance-things-heating/
Max Uriarte’s take on the issue (NSFW)
They might be numerically fourth, but as you point they are seriously underfed. So much so that the Nork men are several inches shorter than their Southern counterparts largely due to lack of proper nutrition during their formative years. A starving, malnourished army needs a shitload of men because they will die off quickly in any protracted conflict.
Without nukes North Korea isn’t even strong enough to be considered a paper tiger…even with nukes they won’t have more than a couple….that’s not enough to win anything other than total destruction of their own homeland.
What we should be doing is explaining that we want to work with the North Koreans and as soon as they kill their leader and present some reasonable politicians we’d enjoy developing a relationship based on trust that will benefit all the people of the north. Or they can all die together when their madman leader steps over the line.
Either way is fine with us, all dead or only one asshole dead choose wisely.
Fearsome 4th largest military? Isn’t that what they said about Iraq, too?
Just my opinion here. The worst North Korea could do in and all out fight and the ultimate overrun to follow, would be to detonate their nukes in place as a denial tactic. The maniac in charge cares not one whit for his people or the resulting decades of ruin to his nation and I am sure he has planned the appropriate bunkers for himself, his elite and whomever their sex toys will be. I’m sure there are also, decades worth of kimchi jars and rice cakes to sustain them. That is, until they realize the bunker penetrating technology we have will make short work of whatever he is hiding in. The douche nozzle is mentally off kilter and would gladly sacrifice everyone around him if he thought he could kill even a few of his enemy.
Are you kidding? His fat ass will be at a nice, cozy resort in Switzerland the moment things start looking dangerous.
What’s the old saying? A US Army PFC has more combat experience than a NoRK General has.
The Cheese Booger knows he and his shitty country will cease to exist were he to begin a war with SK or any other country. He’s bluster, trying desperately to rouse the troops (who I understand are now not getting adequate food) and the civilians who subsist on tree bark and turnips. He’s FOS and for the life of me, other than the above, I don’t know what he expects the end game to be. There is no warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the track, regardless of which scenario he adopts. The absolutely BEST he could do would be to throw in the towel, allow SK/NK to become one, and hope for a positive outcome for him that doesn’t involve a high tree limb and a short rope. He has to know he will die in any altercation.
You give him credit for far more sanity than I do.
I think he believes he is a god and can pull this off. In other words, he’s nuttier than squirrel poo.
In support of Poe’s evaluation of the situation in Norkiland:
http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2017/04/26/could_north_korea_annihilate_seoul_with_its_artillery_111248.html
An interesting read that reaches some of the same conclusions.
I love it when armchair experts gamble with the lives of tens of thousands of other people from the comfort of their living room. You and General von Schlieffen…..
As Joe sits around with his thumb up his ass and offers nothing of substance.
Way to go Joe!
Well, Joey, kindly let us in on your expertise in this area. Tell us all you know about the People’s Army of North Korea, their capabilities, strengths and weaknesses. You have to be an expert, right?
Or, are you only an expert on the bathroom habits of pre-pubescent 4th graders?
Tell us, Joey, what you have to offer besides hot air and foul smells coming out of your ass?
Says the dipshit whose only time in uniform was fluorescent orange with, “DOC” stenciled on the back.
STFU, Joe. The adults are speaking.
The NK military is completely incapable of defeating SK unassisted. They could cause hundreds of billions in damage and kill lots and lots of people in a short time. Nukes make things worse.
A war at this point war would be a senseless waste.