Rosie the Riveter

| February 10, 2017

I’m something an aviation buff, which isn’t surprising considering my career path as enlisted Naval Aircrew, and now a Naval Aviation mission systems tester. I especially admire WWII birds, and there’s one that doesn’t get the limelight it deserves- the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt. It was big, heavy and carried metric assload of smack-you-in-the-face goodness. Affectionately called “The Jug” by its pilots and maintainers, it was first employed as a bomber escort and in fighter sweeps. Unfortunately, it lacked the legs for the long-range bomber missions; those duties would eventually be performed the sleek P-51 Mustang. Where the Jug shined was in the ground attack arena. It’s eight Ma Deuce .50 caliber guns and up to 2500 pounds of external bombs and rockets capacity were used to great effect; it destroyed rail cars and locomotives, armored vehicles, trucks and barges. Its legacy lives on in the A-10, officially named the Thunderbolt II. Shift gears.

Rosie the riveter is an American cultural icon, representing women who, in the dark times of WWII, stood up, rolled up their sleeves, and took the places of the men called off to war. The jobs they took in the shipyards, factories, and assembly lines across the US provided the US military and the allies with the materials to crush the Thousand Year Reich and the Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere. They were good at their jobs and knew it, and that pride shined through. Which brings us around to this:

WWII-era plane mystery: Who are Eva and Edith?

By Andreas Preuss, CNN

(CNN)Their identities may have been lost in time, but now the search is on for two women who scrawled their names inside the wing of a WWII-era fighter plane.

A grease pencil signature says “Eva & Edith” and was found on a P-47 Thunderbolt by AirCorps Aviation, who is restoring the plane.

The specific plane, model P-47 D-23RA, that had the Eva & Edith signatures was completed in 1944 at Republic Aviation’s Evansville, Indiana plant, according to the AirCorps website.

But the Eva & Edith wing panel was actually built at the Curtiss-Wright Company in Buffalo, New York. Due to high demand, some plane components had to be built in other factories, Sara Zimmerman with AirCorps told CNN.

Thousands of women worked at the plants as part of the US war effort. Their work was immortalized as the iconic “Rosie the Riveter.”

“A lot of times, you hear about the folks that flew them, the Aces and the missions they took part in. But, often, the folks that went to work here at the home front kind of get a little overlooked, military historian Kenneth Grant told CNN affiliate WFIE.

More than 6,000 Thunderbolts were manufactured at the Evansville factory during the war. The plane, also known as T-Bolt or “Jug” — short for Juggernaut, was a large and fast fighter/bomber that saw combat in Europe and the Pacific.

Notes, signatures and measurements were often written on the inner surfaces of aircraft during the manufacturing process — sometimes for convenience and sometimes for posterity, AirCorps said.

AirCorps is asking anyone with information about Eva and Edith to contact them.

“Could these two ladies have possibly fathomed that 72 years after becoming part of the ‘army at home’ their signatures inside a P-47 would still exist as evidence of their contributions?” the website mused.

Category: Politics

22 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Mick

Many, many years ago, a much younger Mick had a conversation with a retired Air Force pilot who had flown fighters in WWII.

He said that if you wanted your picture taken, you stood next to a P-51.

But if you wanted to fly into combat and make it back in one piece, you wanted to be in a P-47.

Mick

Yup. I work with a former A-6 pilot who uses that very same line whenever the former F-14 RIO in the room starts running his mouth.

Always fun to watch the former VA and VF guys go beak-to-beak!

Graybeard

They, and the women like them, deserve our thanks and admiration.

Hope they are still around to be thanked in person.

George V

I hope we hear of the results of the search for Eva and Edith.
Anyone else get a little nostalgic for the past, when a majority of people cared about the country being strong and defending itself?

But one thing: “The plane, also known as T-Bolt or “Jug” — short for Juggernaut,…”

What I have read somewhere is that the P-47 was nicknamed “Jug” because to some people is resembled a milk jug commonly used back then.

Ex-PH2

A little nostalgia for the past? Yeah, frequently. Some things I don’t want to give up, because they really are better, but others, well….

Biermann

Exactly

Skyjumper

AW1Ed, if you ever get to this neck of the woods, you have to visit the annual EAA Airshow.

https://www.eaa.org/eaa

I live out in the country about eight miles from this place. This place is like the Holy Grail each year for aircraft enthusiasts. Attendance is in the 100’s of thousands. Suppose to be the busiest airport in the world during the “Fly-In”.

Right up your alley there is the Warbirds Of America area. Awesome! I volunteered out there a time or two for the DAV. The DAV also sponsors a day set aside for veterans and have brought in Gary Sinese and his “Lt.Dan Band” for at least half a dozen years now.

https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-communities-and-interests/eaa-warbirds-of-america-warbird-and-ex-military-aircraft

comment image&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fairsoc.com%2Farticles%2Fview%2Fid%2F55d513ec31394442428b456d%2Feaa-airventure-oshkosh-2015-boeing-plaza-warbirds-from-world-war-ii-to-the-vietnam-war-era&docid=Yr9kLl3FG8RBkM&tbnid=voQzBd9C6KO7YM%3A&vet=1&w=1600&h=1109&client=opera&bih=1001&biw=2114&q=oshkosh%20eaa%20warbird%20display&ved=0ahUKEwjLy5a284XSAhXHMyYKHQtLD4U4yAEQMwgpKCcwJw&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=1109&imgrc=voQzBd9C6KO7YM:&vet=1&w=1600

https://drawdecal.smugmug.com/keyword/osh%20oshkosh

My personal favorite is the Corsair.

Bring lots of memory cards for your camera, you’ll need them. If you would need a place to stay, I have an extra bedroom here at Casa de Hove”

Skyjumper

“Casa de Hovel”

Mick

The Vought F4U Corsair.

What a great airplane. The Japanese nick-named it ‘Whistling Death’ during WWII.

http://www.aviation-history.com/vought/f4u.html

OWB

Been there, done that, as they say. Got the T-shirt. And the flight suit.

Roger in Republic

My sainted mother worked at Servel, a subcontractor for Republic in Evansville. She was proud that she had done her bit for the war effort. She was a riveter on the “Right ammunition bay door” for the P-47. She put the inner structure on the outer skin and riveted them together. She moved over to another company that made small arms ammunition for a little better paycheck.

She said that the girls on the line used to put notes to the boys in the planes and management didn’t like it. They discouraged it but were never able to stop the practice.

There are many stories about crewman and mechanics finding these notes. There is a story of a crew receiving a new B-17 who found a note somewhere. They were hoping for a sweet missive from one of the Gals, what they found was a note that said “Fuck You”.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Nice article, always good to learn the backstory about the production and how important those that built this equipment were to the success of the troops in the field.

Much of what I read about these aircraft all discusses how tough they were in taking damage…

They discuss how they weren’t as elegant and deadly to fly as the P-51 but they could ten times the damage thanks to that air cooled radial engine…a couple of first hand accounts indicate they flew them home with a cylinder shot through and though leaking oil still got their pilot home safely…and nothing could out dive the damn thing…

Thanks to women like Eva and Edith building these great pieces of equipment, the good guys finished first when it mattered.

The Other Whitey

My Grandma was the middle child of a German family in Queens NYC. When the war started, her brother enlisted in the Army Air Forces, while she and her sisters went to work at Bendix’s New York City plant, making antiaircraft gun directors/rangefinders to be installed on ships at Brooklyn Navy Yard.

One night in 1942, she went to a USO dance, where she met an Illinois-born, SoCal raised Irish Gunner’s Mate whose gun mount was guided by the very same instrument she manufactured (he was also cross-trained to man the director as needed). That handsome young devil was my Grandpa.

Fjardeson

Great story, great aircraft – and great WOMEN!

HMC Ret

Great, great women.

I wonder if the country today has the resolve to work together as it did during WW2? Is a protracted war even possible, given today’s nukes and other high tech instruments of death? Would a drawn out land war even be considered? Thoughts?

Wilted Willy

I will always remember my senior year science teacher named Mrs. Grace B Mayfield. She also was the first one that gave my my first flying lesson! She used to ferry P-38’s over to England during WWII. She was a wonderful lady that gave me a lot of direction in my life!

Just An Old Dog

One sobering thought: Up until 1943 the US had more people killed in wartime manufacturing plant accidents then it did fighting in war zones.
Some 80,000 plus Americans died in industrial accidents during the War.

Blinduser

I play a game where 3 Friday’s a month we recreate historical WWII air battles…

Its called aces high…a lot of us geezers that play it are airplane enthusiasts and general WWII aircraft geeks…

If you like small gaming communities and really well done flight physics and great looking planes with historical skins…you should check it out…

I actually found this place from the game forum where someone had linked to a story here…

Woodstuff

My mother worked at Convair (later to become General Dynamic and then Lockheed). She worked on B-24s. She was always proud of what she did, and us kids were proud of her. Later, she had a lot of hearing loss from the riveting without ear protection.

Years later I took her to an air show at Carswell AFB and she was able to see a Confederate Air Force restored B-24. She was so proud and I has happy for her.