The crumbling Clinton criminal enterprise
Sadness reigns in progressives’ America – a grief so profound as to provoke outbreaks of acute liberal insanity. But the grief, anxiety, and outright fear affecting progressive America for the moment must surely pale against those same emotions within Clinton, Incorporated, whose future fortunes have done a disastrous one-eighty since early Wednesday morning.
Think about it for a moment: with no more promise of future access to the presidential inner circle, what third-world government or major global enterprise truly wants to pay a cool half-mil to a now not so cool Bill for his special insights? Do you suppose that all those Wall Street swells are breathlessly waiting to hear the unique perspectives of a now not the first female president at a tidy 250 grand a pop? Sure they are.
But of course, the influence-peddling speeches were just chump change, mere walking around money for high rollers like Hill and Bill. The real cash, the huge multi-million-dollar payoffs that even bought pre-presidential secretary of state access, has until now come in the form of donations to the various non-profit entities the Clintons created to funnel their filthy lucre into – huge amounts of cash that could be washed, rinsed, dried, possibly even nationally dyed before being made available to maintain their one-percent lifestyle. It occurs to me that perhaps there is no longer a waiting list of sheiks and Middle Eastern potentates eager to pony up petro-dollars to ensure that a Clinton presidency maintains a firm grip on the now closed tap of federal petroleum resources, as the current occupant of the Oval Office long has.
In six months or so, when the new U.S. attorney general appoints a special prosecutor to investigate the Clinton Foundation and all its related entities, does any of us really believe that Fortune 500 companies are going to be as keen as they once were to have themselves listed as donors to anything that has the Clinton brand on it? Without the family-White House link, will billionaires feel so warmly inclined toward neophyte investor and Clinton son-in-law Mark Mezvinsky, whose now defunct Greek hedge fund apparently “lost” huge sums of its investments? Ever wonder just where “lost” investments end up?
What could be even more disastrous for the Clintons would be if many of the major donors to their charities should decide they’ve been sold a bill of goods and demand refunds of very substantial quids, for which there will not now, nor ever, be the much anticipated quos. With reports that very little of the Clinton charitable donations have actually been applied to charitable deeds, such donors would seem to have a reasonably credible motive for demanding that their donations be returned. Just a few demands could trigger a financial run on the charity itself and multiple lawsuits against other associated Clinton business enterprises, for profit or not. How could the Clintons defend against such claims, with the response that the donations were actually made to obtain political favor?
With new donations dwindling and donors demanding refunds, lawsuits piling up, and an aggressive special prosecutor seeking evidence of ongoing crimes, it’s quite likely that the future is not going to be quite as rosy as the Clintons had pictured it prior to Tuesday. It is even more likely that it’s going to end in a way that at least half of America is going to find extremely gratifying.
It’s my opinion that the idea of Crooked Hillary escaping justice was a hugely motivating factor for voting against her, even by those who didn’t like Trump. They were adamant they did not want to see the Democrats reward her for her corruption.
And for those of you who will be quick to respond that Obama will simply pardon the Clintons, you will only be partially correct. He can pardon them for federal offenses. However, he has no authority to pardon them for future federal offenses, from state offenses, or from civil lawsuits arising from their corrupt behaviors. That reality leaves a lot of prosecutorial and litigation doors open to a pair of grifters with a long list of political enemies
Crossposted at American Thinker
Category: Politics
She still got some venom in her fangs.
She will take every last conspirator down with her….
They already have a place to stay.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2251165.1433813056!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/hamill9n-1-web.jpg
I am curious how many prisoners that facility holds, may not be large enough.
One of the Clinton lists.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz4PilDgSna
sounds good! I can’t imagine shedding a tear for any of them. While I haven’t been a YUUGE Trump supporter, i wholeheartedly support his promise to DRAIN THE SWAMP… and the more snakes go with the clintoons, the better for all of us!
I like the prospect of donors suing. What’s Blowjob and Bitch going to say, “They knew damn well we weren’t doing all that we claimed?” On the other hand, I am not yet convinced that Trump is truly on a separate polo team. We’ll see.
Since quid pro quo is illegal in the USA, they can “want” with all their might… it ain’t gonna happen.
I hope they both physically collapse under the strain of their own petards they have hoisted
I really don’t spend my life wiling ill on people but fuck them both.
I want their demise and certain meltdown to be glorious and very public.
/come at me grammar Nazis.
She would have eventually done a header down the Air Force One steps, but it wouldn’t have been worth voting her in to see it.
I think Luca, Carmine and Gianni will eventually show up to get their money back. Hilarity ensues.
In six months or so, when the new U.S. attorney general appoints a special prosecutor to investigate the Clinton Foundation and all its related entities, …..
I truly hope this doesn’t happen. Any special prosecutor will be seen as revenge against Clinton by the left. It will cause more violence and more uproar. It will make the AG Office appear to be what it is under Obama – a political arm of revenge rather than one seeking justice.
Going after Clinton by the Trump administration will only make Hillary and Bill look like victims.
As stated, the investors and perhaps states will take issues with what they did, but that is another story.
(I suspect that the Clintons would never accept a pardon as the pardon is an admission of guilt)
That’s a curious position for you to take. My view is that it will be an affirmation of the adage that in the USA, no one, no matter how rich, powerful, or well connected is above the law and that we are a nation of laws, not of men. If some people choose to resort to violence because they perceive an investigation and possible prosecution as vengeful, they are welcome to taste justice, too, as well as bologna sandwiches on white bread in the hoosegow.
While it may seem curious, it is pragmatic.
What would be gained by a special prosecutor?
Does anyone think that it won’t be seen as a persecution of the Clintons for political reasons and not reasons of law and justice?
Does anyone think that a prosecutor will be able to get an indictment with Hillary supporters sitting on a grand jury panel?
Does anyone think that an actual conviction could occur against the Clintons? That liberal females and minorities on a jury would ever vote to convict her of anything?
Because you can’t win anything, all you do is hand the issue that Hillary is a martyr who was unjustly persecuted time and time again and did nothing wrong because she was never convicted ofa anything to the left. All that will happen is the right will be portrayed as evil, vindictive monsters who went after the “first black president” and a female.
There’s no win to be found in this. It is a lose-lose-lose proposition for the Trump administration.
To be clear, I would like to see her locked up, but I know that isn’t going to happen and I am not willing to give the liberal left another bow in their quiver.
A better course of action would be once the Trump people are in office, to look at the issue quietly and let leaks out on just how bad the Clintons were. Let the Clintons destroy themselves from within.
That is our system. If the Left doesn’t like it, it’s their problem. Kowtowing to them, bending the system to accommodate their feelings, is antithetical to the rule of law.
One other thing. Wouldn’t it be just peachy if, after years of suffering oBaMa’s unchecked lawlessness, his secret deals and his refusal to enforce law with which he disagrees, Trump gave H. Clinton a free pass? F. that.
Our system allows for prosecutorial discretion. A prosecutor won’t bring a case they know they don’t have a shot of winning.
There is nothing to be gained here by prosecution the Clintons.
However, there might be a better solution which is for Trump to pardon the Clintons.
While that seems odd, here’s why that works so well:
By issuing the pardon, Trump would be seen as a unifier of the country and it would be a magnanimous gesture.
However, according to the Supreme Court in Burdick v. United States, “[A pardon] carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.”
While a person cannot be forced to accept a pardon (see Wilson v. United States) the pardon itself says “we know you are guilty.”
That then puts the Clintons in the position of denying the pardon, which brings other things into play, or accepting the pardon and thereby admitting guilt.
As I said, straight up prosecution is a lose – lose – lose – lose proposition. I am tired of the right playing the short game while the left is playing for the long term.
I gave your comments a thorough read and I simply disagree, as you do with my view of the matter. I rather enjoyed the exchange, as usual.
Good thoughts by both. Keep them on the defensive with leaks to which they would respond. Even better, perhaps, DO have Trump pardon them. That serves to give Trump the high ground. The Clintoon Mafia could say “We did nothing wrong, we’ll never do it again, but we will accept the pardon to avoid a prolonged, expensive defense, although we strongly feel we would prevail.” I like it.
I liked reading this exchange as well. here’s another thought about the prosecution route. If Trump decides to go after them, spends time, money, and political capital taking them on and LOSES the prosecution because a single juror didn’t buy the case Trump looks like a vindictive small minded fool wasting time on yet another Clinton investigation that doesn’t bear fruit.
If does choose to go after them, he’d damn well better make sure he can get them. Otherwise he risks the house and senate over what half the country doesn’t care about. It’s wise to remember he didn’t win a majority of the popular vote he just won the presidency. The majority of the electorate will matter in the mid-terms….if he appears to be moving forward and doing the right things he can solidify the house and senate. If not, he can lose them. There’s no mandate here, there’s only the result of a very, very close change election. Had the dems run anyone but Hillary I suspect Trump would back at the tower living his life as a civilian.
Starting down this path could lead to a political quid pro quo of prosecuting your opponent for all manner of impropriety. I’m not certain the country wins when that becomes the de facto standard operating procedure.
VOV, exceptional circumstances call for exceptional responses. I seriously doubt that we have ever had candidate for president from either party who was as obviously corrupt as this one is. If we do the right thing now, perhaps the Democrats won’t field another such flawed candidate in the future.
Poetrooper,
How many scandals and illegal acts has Hillary skated from? Heck, her own husband lied under oath and was not prosecuted for it.
If Regan was the “teflon president,” then the Clintons are the “red copper pan people.”
You aren’t going to be able to get them in a court. I just can’t see that happening and even if you can, it will take years.
Instead, you get them in the court of public opinion. You get them where they and the left live.
You show that the right is as kind, generous, compassionate and committed to the unity of the country all the while exposing Clinton for the crook she is in public.
Strike while the iron is hot and come off looking good instead of dragging out a process, losing, and looking bad.
I’ve gotta admit, I kinda like the pardon route. if they accept, they admit guilt, then the states / local authorities can hammer them into the ground…
oops, fat fingers hit post too fast. I’m not sure that it will fix anything, as i’m not sure it would actually heal anything, and I doubt the left will ever move on, so I’m still torn, but it’s an interesting option to consider
Correct me if I am wrong here, but you can’t pardon someone unless they are convicted of a crime? How can they issue a pardon if they have not even been charged with a crime……Yet??
technically, Nixon hadn’t been charged with a crime when Ford pardoned him. I don’t claim to be a lawyer, or even be sure that it’s possible, but if it is, it’d be an interesting possibility… doesn’t seem to be an easy answer here, none of the options seem to be a clear winning deal..
The pardon power of the President is almost absolute. (The President cannot pardon an impeachment.)
One only need to look back at the Ford pardon of Nixon which reads (in part:)
Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
Nixon was never charged with a criminal offense and the impeachment proceedings had article of impeachment from the House, but the trial in the Senate never took place.
The President can pardon for crimes a person has not been convicted of.
One scenario to consider here is that Hillary’s health truly is much worse than her campaign would ever admit and that without the need to deceive the public, the real Hillary, a palsied, wild-eyed, epileptic, old woman may emerge. If that should happen, I would wager she’ll escape prosecution.
However one of the issues that got Trump elected was his promise to drain the swamp. In that vein, all the senior underlings who made the wheels turn daily for the Clinton Criminal Enterprise should still be prosecuted. The lawyers who handled all those classified documents without even the lowest form of security clearance should be charged. All the lawyers who were aware of the Clintons’ criminal activities and advised them on how to evade detection and prosecution should be charged.
A few convictions among these immediate Clinton loyalists will demonstrate to the world that the Clinton’s were most assuredly criminally corrupt even though they are never charged.
Loretta Lynch should be impeached right now along with that IRS director, Koskinen, and a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate Eric Holder and the Justice Department’s corruption under both him and Lynch.
I’d call that a start on draining the swamp.
How about this, PT: offer each of them a pardon – contingent on, and effective only AFTER, a full and public admission of guilt. And as a part of the process, have the Trump DoJ demand the right to review and approve the wording of said admission of guilt BEFORE it’s made public. No acceptable admission and the deal’s off the table.
IMO Ford made a grave error in pardoning Nixon. The error was not in issuing the pardon; for the nation’s long-term good, that was the right thing to do. His error was not in demanding that – as a condition of issuing the pardon – that Nixon would make a public speech (or issue a public statement) stipulating to his guilt in Watergate and other matters.
Hell, Trump could go public with such a proposal now or shortly after inaguration. “My opponent in the last election has been accused of serious Federal crimes. For the good of the nation, and in order to promote national unity, I am willing to issue them a pardon for those crimes, as well as others committed in the course of their official duties and campaign for office. However, as a condition of doing so I will require them to admit, to the American public, those crimes.”
Had Ford done something like that, I’m guessing the 1976 election – which was a squeaker anyway, with Ford nearly catching Carter at the end – would have turned out very differently. And without a Jimmy the Clueless as POTUS from 1976-1980, things in the world might be a very different place today – one that was much more to America’s liking.
Hondo,
In researching my idea, I came to realize from several sites that the pardon of Nixon came with the stipulation from the lawyers that Nixon admit wrong doing. This was not just the legal acceptance equals guilt standard, but an actual statement from Nixon.
While not as harsh or cut or dry as I suspect you’d want it to be Nixon’s statement after the pardon does admit guilt in what he calls “my mistakes.”
Whenever I read statements like Nixon’s I try to remember that people in government aren’t speaking the same language that you and I speak. They speak a formal, and polite vernacular after dealing with other leaders and other nations where statements like “we have more common ground to find” really means “I hate the SOB and if he doesn’t stop it, there are consequences.”
Nixon’s statement can be found here if you are interested:
http://watergate.info/1974/09/08/ford-pardons-nixon.html
No. While Nixon’s acceptance of the pardon is legally an admission of criminal conduct in a technical sense, his public statement concerning the pardon is not. It does not admit to having committed any crime whatsoever.
Nixon’s statement is a classic “non-admission”. He only admits to having “made mistakes” and having “done things the wrong way”. There is no clear and unambiguous admission of criminal conduct. In fact, he implies he committed no criminal acts in the penultimate paragraph, where he says his conduct “may have led people to believe” he had acted criminally.
“Let people to believe” my ass. Nixon personally engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice by working with and/or directing the actions of those who were trying to cover up crimes committed by third parties on Nixon’s behalf. For that, he deserved to burn. He got off easy: he lost his job, but got a full pardon without ever having to admit, explicitly, having committed any criminal acts at all.
Ford’s error was in not (1) demanding that Nixon explicitly admit that he had participated in an ongoing and extensive criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice, and (2) require that Nixon’s public admission be submitted to DoJ for review and approval prior to issuing the pardon. Ford should have done exactly that: required Nixon to detail and admit to his participation in Watergate’s illegal cover-up. While it’s clear that Nixon didn’t know about the Watergate break-in a priori, it’s also clear he was personally aware of the later cover-up – and involved up to his elbows in the conspiracy to do so.
What I’m talking about requiring is a statement equivalent to a stipulation by a defendant pleading guilty – e.g., detail the crime, and explicitly admit to having participated in that crime. That is what Ford should have required from Nixon prior to issuing Nixon his pardon. And that is precisely what Trump should require prior to issuing a pardon to Clintoon and/or any of her confidantes, employees, or associates.
I really do not disagree.
She is a crook. And so is Bill and the nefarious foundation.
That being said, we as a country both internally and externally, have ALOT of problems and issues to fix.
Obummer, Clintoon, Kerry and others created ALOT of damage.(pardon the oxymoron).
Trump (and his future cabinet) need to prioritize.
I’m not certain they’ll ever face prosecution.
Trump said it’s time to heal the divide, one of the easiest ways to make that claim true is to state that he has zero intention to follow up on his claims to prosecute Crooked Hillary and in the interest of bipartisan cooperation it’s time to move on with the future business of the nation rather than become mired in the business of the past.
I disagree with Trump on that one. The best way to heal the past is to hold past aggressors accountable for their actions, and punish them accordingly. I don’t want to see Trump pardoning Clinton the way Ford pardoned Nixon. That didn’t bring healing; it just left the wounds open.
We must – must! – bring the corruption to light, root it out, and prosecute it. If we fail to do this, we become complicit. This means all – all! – of the corruption. All of the scandal. All of the dirty laundry, neglecting nothing. Everything. Find out everyone who is accountable, then haul them up with no mercy. Then – and ONLY then – will we be truly able to move on.
Could airing out the corruption be accomplished by prosecution of the foundation under RICO? That way, it can send the message that we do take corruption seriously without opening the door of personal prosecution of the loser in every election.
If you’re asking me specifically, I’m afraid I don’t have enough expertise to answer that question with any degree of authority. I will admit that your idea makes sense, and I hope that the Trump administration will pursue it, but I cannot say how it will play out.
I have to say I prefer seeing the Clinton Foundation being investigated under the RICO act once we have a competent USAG that’s not politically corrupt, let’s not forget the accounts of turmoil among the ranks of FBI Agents stemming from Comey’s playing political pattycake with the Clinton email scandal. I wonder where they’ll flee to, I hear that Abu Dhabi is nice this time of the year.
No. If it’s done too soon, as I said earlier, it will have the appearance of spiteful revenge. That will only stir the pot that is bubbling now.
We don’t need that.
A much better approach is quiet, behind the scenes, out of the sight and influence of the media, with the goal that the evidence is as irrefutable as it was with Nixon and Watergate.
Considering the turmoil that is underway now before Trump is even sworn in, the only person who could bring such an investigation to fruition and clean their clock is Obama. And I seriously doubt that he has any intention of doing so.
If anything, the investigation of corruption needs to be done AFTER things have quieted down considerably.
I have to disagree, this country operates under the “rule Of law”. Which simply means that now one is above the law. By letting these two dirt bags and their close circle off is not healing anything, if anything it will embolden the sparkle pony’s, moon bats, and snowflakes, and any of the remaining progressives to continue to push their communistic agenda.
more like “the absolute best justice system money can buy”. There’s a reason it’s called a ‘criminal justice system’ and not a ‘victim’s justice system’
Thanks Poetrooper. I can only hope it will play out the very worst for them both. More than most any figure in political life I’ve seen, they deserve it.
Multiple times during the campaign, I saw on Faceplant a picture of the Clintoons with words to the effect “They’ve tried to hang crimes on the Clintons for 30 years but none of it stuck.” It always occurred to me that the same could be said about John Gotti, the “Teflon Don.” How’d that work out for him?
Just thinking out loud – I wounder if the SEC has any interest in looking into Mezvinsky’s failed fund? Marc’s daddy spent a five year stretch in poundhimintheass prison for 31 counts of fraud:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Mezvinsky#Criminal_activities
Like father, like son?
I heard rumor that Clinton’s son in law is George Soros’s nephew. Has anyone heard the same?
Snopes says nopes:
http://www.snopes.com/chelsea-clinton-george-soros-nephew/
I quit, years ago, believing anything snopes puts out. Their extreme bias on anything remotely related to religion or politics is abundantly evident. They’re nothing more than a husband and wife with a lot of time on their hands for Google.
Frankly, to stop any hint of vengefulness by Trump, I would rather see them both and Mezvinsky face charges by entities other than the USGov. I see no real merit in superceding an SEC investigation into Mezvinsky’s stuff, if there is one, especially if it may have been another Ponzi scheme.
I think Trump and his administration should definitely stay out of it. Nixon could not avoid the trap of the vengeful spirit and look where it got him. Trump doesn’t need to have that hanging over him.
And don’t expect anything immediate, anyway. That’s just wishful thinking.
In this case, it’s better to knuckle down to the business of the State than to go after a former opponent, corrupt or not. She’ll be expecting it, have a defense ready, look for PR, etc., but if nothing happens, then – well….? She’ll get more and more paranoid over time.
So…if it’s not the USGov that prosecutes, who does the honors on that one? I know of no offense committed by the Clintons that would get them prosecuted by any foreign interest…unless maybe you know different?
Well, I said Mezvinsky, not the Clintons. If he was running a hedge fund that somehow failed, that is SEC stuff. Unfortunately, if you recall the investigation into the Ponzi scheme run by Bernie Madoff, the SEC was at the time corrupt and refused to investigate complaints. If the Clintons have any influence in those high places, the same thing could happen there, BUT there is that whole refusal by SEC to investigate Madoff’s questionable investment house until there was other choice. They might not want a repeat of that kind of embarrassment, no matter how much fodder it could provide to the financial press.
Hillary Clinton is a criminal. I know this from the case that Comey laid out against her. If she is pardoned by oBaMa, in itself that will be terrible thing but, presumably, the Clinton Foundation business will remain available for scrutiny by federal authorities. I take joy in H. Clinton’s disappointment at losing, especially to the likes of Trump. Is that enough? No, she lost an election. That does not excuse crimes she committed as Secretary of State or as a private citizen. They are separate matters.
You’re assuming that bodaprez has any interest in pardoning her. I don’t think he does.
It makes him look complicit if he does pardon her, but if he leaves and does nothing after not pushing Comey to go after Trump somehow, he’s washed his hands of her completely.
Once bodaprez is gone, any possibility of protection through him is gone with him. She will be hung out to dry.
I can’t think of a better or more spiteful way to thumb your nose at someone who was supposed to, or expected, to succeed you, especially when it’s someone you detest.
Yeah, that Comey laid out the case is somewhat of a death knell for any prosecution.
The Espionage Act requires “intent” or “reason to believe” standard.
Comey gave the pass on intent which leaves the “reason to believe.” which is something that Clinton has denied and is very difficult to prove.
I am not sure that I would want to take a case into court where the other side has the Director of the FBI saying no crime was committed.
As of right now, this thing cannot be won.
That’s not what Rudy Giuliani says. He has stated repeatedly that he could obtain a damning indictment and conviction. He’s a former deputy attorney general so I tend to believe he knows whereof he speaks in matters of federal law.
Poetrooper,
That was before Tuesday when the election of Trump was seen as a indictment of the right and all the hateful people there. That was before all the weeping leftists came to the conclusion that Hillary was jobbed. I can’t see a grand jury or a jury doing anything to her.
You aren’t going to get a conviction on the Espionage Act. Comey’s statement is built in reasonable doubt.
Avoidance of FOIA is an administrative penalty and at the worst, a contempt of court citation. Whoopee.
The server and not keeping emails is an administrative penalty as well.
So where do you want to go to get Hillary in jail?
The applicable statutes for mishandling classified information and systems do not require specific intent to commit espionage. Intent to do the forbidden act is sufficient. Giving her maid access to her SCIF with instructions to take classified info from it is a crime; so is having the headers stripped off secured system material and having it sent to her unsecure personal email. That Navy sub crewman didn’t have any intent to do anything other than photo the interior of his sub on his cell phone, but he is doing a year in the Federal pen and will be classified a convicted felon. That crap Comey put out that she didn’t “intend” to violate federal law is just a cover story for the fix. It is about as credible as that Youtube video being the cause of the Benghazi attack. They prosecuted Petreus for doing much less; at least his girlfriend had a top secret clearance. They could have convicted him of a felony and sent him to the pen, that is why he copped the plea he did. In addition, her conduct went way beyond gross negligence; she intentionally violated security protocols thousands of times by design. The Clinton mob make the mafia look like amateurs.
Bingo. The combination of (1) knowing that classified information has been mishandled plus (2) failure to report that mishandling of classified information to proper authorities is a Federal felony under 18 USC 793 punishable by a hefty fine and up to 10 years in prison. See 18 USC 793(f)(2).
Failure to report is sufficient in and of itself to demonstrate the requisite intent. Comey is a political hack appointed by the current Community Organizer-in-Chief who was looking for a way to whitewash the situation.
The issue of intent in HRCs case isn’t that complicated to explain. Comey fucked that up.
I really do think we need to let the noise die down, Poetrooper. Look, I understand where you guys are all coming from. I sat through those Watergate hearings and wondered why the Hell no one was going after Johnson for some of the crap he pulled. I really thought for the longest time that he was behind JFK’s assassination, because nothing would have surprised me less.
But if we don’t back off and let a real, and very thorough investigation take place behind the scenes, it just won’t work.
And I don’t care what Giuliani says: he is on the outside looking in unless he has something in his back pocket that no one else has.
I would rather see that obnoxious woman left twisting in the wind, worried about who really knows what about her, and find that one day, after the noise has died away, she’s facing charges she can’t get out of. And that skank she’s married to, as well.
Prosecution of the crimes the Clintons and their henchmen have committed would show that the law applies equally to all Americans.
They need to prosecute Al and Jesse as well.
If the law does not apply equally to all, it will not be long before we end up with anarchy. Prosecuting Clintons & Co would help reverse the slide toward lawlessness.
Reverump Al better be hiring a good tax lawyer and scraping together a coupla million for the IRS…
I want that pig al ‘rev’ Sharpton in prison for tax evasion. He can keep his $5000 suits while incarcerated.
And work on some new one-liners.
This is dicey too, because how can he specifically sic the IRS on a political enemy without looking like he is using it as a weapon? You know that is how the left and the media (BIRM) will spin it. Unless he announces that a back tax amnesty and Al ignores it, it would be fodder for impeachment proceedings when the Congress switches sides again.
Prosecuting Clinton, et al., now will only lead to more of these asinine protests by greasy, stankass hippies.
I can think of fewer ways to cause more destruction than to drag her and that pedo she’s married to over the coals right now. That’s the last thing we need.
Must be nice to be able to avoid prosecution because mobs might riot, loot, pillage and commit other crimes in support of the person charged. There is no constitutional crisis. There is no need to save face. You go and start a phony charity. You go and cheat on your taxes. Hell, just fail to obtain the gov’t-mandated health insurance. This special treatment for special parties is crap. That’s not the rule of law or its equal application. The oBaMa regime has used gov’t (IRS) to go after its perceived enemies and played hands-off with its friends. The oBaMa regime has played make-believe with the Muslim terror threat, hilariously (thanks, DHS) portraying terrorists as middle-aged white Americans. There’s a long list to be made. If H. The Bitch Clinton and her pervert husband of convenience, Cigar Bill, broke the law, why in the world should they get a pass? I do not understand this. F the Left if their feelings are hurt. My feelings have been hurt for nearly eight long and painful years.
I’m not saying they’ll get a pass, Air Cav. Watch the news stories about the idjit loons who want freestuffs that the rest of us have to work for. If they were disruptive last night, climbing onto a CTA bus, for Pete’s sake, shutting down streets and traffic routes, and blocking entrance to a residential building (Trump Tower), plus whatever they did in cities other than Chicago, and all over nothing, just how destructive do you think they’d be if she were prosecuted now, before Trump is even inaugurated?
Nobody needs that, particularly the people who have done nothing to those spoiled little snots. I think it’s best to let them fade away into thumbsucking pools of angst and wait until the time is right to do anything to that obnoxious old cow.
Just my opinion, but we need time and distance first.
I’m looking forward to cancelling obamacare, hillary in prison, illegal immigrants deported and more in the first year.
I realize this will surprise y’all, but I’m rather mean spirited and nasty by nature. I know, I know, I hide it well.
So, my come-back to Kilery supporters when they try to get up in my grill because of my Trump MAGA hat is…
Yeah, you pedophiles do stick together, don’t you.
or
It takes a pedo to support a pedo.
She can no longer command lavish speaking fees because the donors now know they won’t get any favors in return AND no matter what, from now on she’ll never be anything other than Hillary Clinton, Private Citizen. I’m sure that the vast majority of her inner circle has only stayed close to her in hopes of future favors and now that that possibility is gone many of them will bolt. It’s a known fact that she’s little more than a venomous, acidic little sociopathic shrew and that’s gonna come back and haunt her like a pissed off banshee. She has always been obsessed with acquiring and keeping as much power as she can over others, and now her ship has been torpedoed and sunk, I wonder if she isn’t going to give herself an aneurysm in the next couple of years, AAAAAAh, the sweet taste of schadenfreude…
She’s lost any influence within the Democratic Party with her loss, so the cash from “speaking engagements” will slowly dry up – Slick will be looked at as an “idol” to them until his death.
Bodaprez will be the one with influence through his “groups” and Soros’ funding – he’ll just play “community organizer” while living in DC and, I’m guessing that he will be the one to push both Clintons and their influence out of the DNC and party.
As for Chelsea… the press will fawn over her like they did for the Kennedy kids (JFK Jr and Caroline), but she’ll never amount to much. If her hubby does have legal problems due to his trading practices, don’t be surprised if she drops him like Huma dropped Carlos Danger.
I don’t know if I would drag Chelsewa into this.
By all accounts, she was against alot of the Clinton Foundation practices.
I do not know much about her but she seem OK.
As far as Hillary, her political career is over. Between age, ineptitude, dishonesty and the “proverbial bags” of squandering the biggest numerical, social and financial lead in history, she is done.
Later, Hillary.
She wasn’t against using the money to pay for her wedding and month to month expenses. Don’t act like she is pure as the driven snow in this.
I am not dumbass.
And I am fairly sure she drew a salary as most ED’s do.
Not defending her but not dragging her through the mud.
I’m not 100% convinced that Lame Duck Barry will offer any pardons. As much as he and Hildabeast are known to despise eachother, I’ll bet he’s loving this on some level. And I’d be lying if I said the thought of The Bitch groveling for it doesn’t make me Black Irish heart leap for joy!
I have a similar take. oBaMa doesn’t like her but, then again, who does?
does anyone else believe that the run for office (in itself) was a ploy to solicit foundation funds?
now, let’s see how the mexwall develops, and expect the feds to develop new backbones and do their jobs.
Shades of The Producers? Sounds like a great scam.
or the basic premise of “The Mouse That Roared”
Rather doubt that the Clinton income stream continues beyond the occasional speaking engagement in academia, true believer operated “charities,” and true believer owned companies. Further, there are now entire regions of the world where they are distinctly unwelcome, perhaps even at risk. There are plenty of deep pocket donors around the world who may even be out for retribution which does not involve the US courts. Others may already know about the game of US civil justice played out in our courts, and be more than willing to sue the Clintons.
All just to say that as much as I would like to see the Clintons incarcerated, along with as many of their minions as can be fitted into US jails, letting this play out among the international injured parties may be in our national best interest. There should be plenty of conscientious federal employees who have copied files which could be produced should they become necessary prior to the statutes of limitation expiring on a bunch of potential criminal charges.
I want to see Michelle meet Ivana,
…. love cat fights…………
….. I meant Melania
(brain fart)
They’ve already met, earlier today.
I wonder if they made out….?
Gee, I wonder why there is no photo of them together. Could it be because the photographer and the staff couldn’t get that charming scowl off Mooch’s face?
I must, as we used to say in the Old Army, “stand corrected.” Drudge has a photo of the two ladies sitting and having coffee or tea together. Pictures usually don’t lie; Mooch appears to be smiling. Although, we do know of a certain non-CPO and disbarred lawyer who had a knack for superimposing his ugly mug on someone else’s official personnel file photo.
I saw a joke on line that went like this:
Melania and Michelle are talking and during the conversation Melania says “Michelle, that a beautiful dress! I didn’t know that you could buy it off the rack at T. J. Maxx!”
There was a photo of the two of them having tea in the White House on the news at 5PM and 9PM.
I saw the pic of B. Hussein 0bama with Donald Trump earlier today. Trump had the facial expression of a victorious Conqueror while B-HO had one like a puppy that just got paddled for pooping on the living room floor!
In case none of you have heard this yet, there’s a drive online to make the electoral college change their votes so that shrillary is the winner, because she got more votes than Trump did. Looks like she got 337,000+/- more than he did.
They are sad.
And I don’t care.
It’s a contest. Not everybody gets to win the top prize in a contest.
I think they should give it consideration in the future.
that being said, a few months back it was brought up to her in an interview.
Her response was that (the current way) was the way it was so after she was elected, she might look into it (loosely translated).
Funny how things worked out a little differently.
Those people you referenced want the cake and want to eat it too.
Funny how liberals think….and shift positions.
Yeah, let’s start letting the outgoing president tell the electors who to vote for. How long til they name their children to succeed them, or nullify losing reelection? That is the next step towards north Korea.
Hell, there are crowds of liberal proglodytes already calling for MOOchelle 0bama to run in 2020. Can they make themselves look any stupider? The answer is yes, I wonder how many will shriek for Bernie to run again?
Because nothing says stability like getting your 80 year old crazy hypocrite commie uncle to start talking “free shit” in his Brooklyn/VT/flatlander accent.
They can drive wherever they like. Crazy suits me. But across the border would be better.
There is one thing to consider in that scenario, Ex, that nobody seems to be thinking about.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the Electoral College meets and somehow, enough electors change their votes, and Clinton is declared the “winner.” (Ain’t gonna happen, but humor me here.)
That isn’t the end of it.
On Jan. 6, the House and Senate must certify that the Electoral College acted in “good faith.” Which party controls both? The new Congress takes effect Jan. 1.
They hand the election right back to Trump.
As much as the left doesn’t want to hear this, Hillary Clinton is not going to be the President of the United States.
In regard to the electoral college, it was originally meant to take into account that some states had slave populations, and those people were not allowed to vote. Things have changed. I don’t understand for the life of me why CA, for instance has a higher electoral vote count than any other state, but that could shift, couldn’t it?
No, Hillary Clinton will never be President. If she wanted that, she should have tried it after Slick Willie left the office. Timing is everything, but as I’ve said elsewhere, the fact that she has repeatedly lied about the time of day she was born had a lot to do with it. She deliberately misled the media, because she know that there are plenty of people who’d delve into a natal chart to declare her the victor. So she gave out two different natal times: 8PM and 8:06AM, and neither was correct. A forensic dig into her life by software designed for that kind of thing put her birth time at between 2:18AM and 2:20AM, which completely changes the picture. She is at a low point in her life and it is doubtful that she will ever recover from it.
So while some of you are rattling on about who gets whacked next, she’d come under suspicion right away if it was anyone connected to her.
Sorry, Ex-PH2 – but that’s simply not what led to the electoral college. Slavery had nothing to do with why we have an electoral college today.
The first part of this article gives an excellent, if short, rundown on how the electoral college came into being. The electoral college traces it’s origin to the original “grand compromise” in creating Congress, plus some other factors. Slavery wasn’t one of those other factors that entered into the electoral college debates – revisionist present-day claims to the contrary notwithstanding.
http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php
Slavery was accounted for by a different mechanism – the “three-fifths” count provision in the Constitution, now inoperative due to the 13th Amendment. That was a compromise between slave state delegates to the Constitutional Convention (which wanted slaves counted when apportioning representatives or taxes) and those from free states (which did not want slaves counted for either purpose). The compromise chosen to address that impasse was the notorious 60% rule.
I stand corrected, Hondo.
However, the whining from the left side of the fence for no electoral votes fails to take into account that the popular vote is still NOT at 51% and Clinton still would NOT be the president. So then it would go to the House of Representatives, and which party would carry the vote?
Pew Research is saying it’s two-tenths of one percent. I wonder how much of that is due to urban voter fraud? Clinton took all the major urban areas and that’s where voter fraud is rampant.
I was wondering precisely the same thing, PT.
While 300,000 fraudulent votes in any given state might be effectively impossible to pull off, 10,000 to 20,000 “acquired” votes in a major urban area might easily be doable. LBJ was able to “acquire” far more than 10,000 votes (best accounts say 35,000 or more) through other means in the 1948 Texas Democratic Senate primary out of about the same number of voters as one would find in a large urban area today. By some accounts, he got 10,000 “acquired” votes possibly in San Antonio alone.
I’m thus guessing that 300,000 nationwide would be eminently possible – considering the overall popular vote total will likely be around 130,000,000 million.
I went to bed a little after midnight Tuesday night/Wednesday morning and Pat McCrory had a 50,000 vote lead out of 4.4 million votes cast for NC Governor. I woke up at 5:30 Wednesday morning and he trailed Roy Cooper by about 4500 out of 4.6 million votes cast. What happened? Sometime right after I went to bed about 100,000 votes came in from Durham county which conveniently put Cooper ahead.
McCrory may yet prevail as provisional ballots are being tabulated sometime next week.
Obama won’t pardon Hillary or Bill for anything. His Ego won’t allow it because as soon as he does that, he PROVES they were doing illegal shit and he covered for THEM.
Then, President Trump would start looking at the “why” of Barry doing pardons for them and it will be easy to look back at the evidence to find that he knew what she was doing and disregarded the law by allowing her to continue doing things not allowed by his own directives.
Now that she won’t be president, it is a worse situation because she wouldn’t be able to pardon all those who kept their mouth shut. Those minions really need to think hard about who they are protecting and determine if they want to be in Prison, or Hillary to be there.
I would not say “crumbling”.
I would say “Rome has fallen”.
Or perhaps the sewers finally came unclogged and the waters are swirling around them now. Rats fleeing, that sort of thing.
Gee, I wonder how quickly the influence they had will fade to nothing.
Well, hell, here’s the win-win for Trump: Just pardon Hillary for any email crimes. Now he looks all magnanimous and shit.
Then sic the DOJ on the whole Clinton Foundation criminal activity mess which will yield many convictions–perhaps the Clintons themselves.
The first thing he needs to do to drain the swamp is demand the resignations of all Obama attorneys at DOJ. Kind of like Clinton did to all US attorneys after he was elected.
I’m wondering who the first rat is going to be?
Huma? Cheryl Mills? Podesta? Pagliano?
Somebody’s going to snitch to save their ass.
Huma’s a lock for a perjury charge “I turned in all devices that had any State Department emails.” 650,000 emails say you lied.
Hillary can’t suicide everybody….
Ditto that, now that the Clintons no longer have the potential grip on power they once did I’m sure that it will unravel like a street gang once the jig is up? We could soon see plenty of their lackeys coming forth willing to rat out in exchange for a deal with Prosecutors.
I don’t think Huma or Podesta would roll. Mills and Pagliano are weak links. IMO
You are right; especially in the case of Huma. She is still on a mission for the Muslim Brotherhood. She is not going to blow her cover.
Fuck the Clintons. Bill and Hillary look like they both could shit themselves and stroke out on live TV, and their horse face spawn Chelsea is so ugly that if she gives head it counts as anal as well.
I hope they have a wonderful Veterans Day.
It will be nice to see them out and marching in parades etc. /sarc
Zactly. There’s nothing in it for them any longer. I would expect that they divorce but for the spousal privilege in the event criminal charges are ever lodged against those two pieces of shit.
No pardon.
Do the math.
Really.
It is all over.
This is very simple.
Have a beer or three and think about it.
There is NO upside with pardon.
There is a down side.
It is very simple, there was a major failure and someone wants nothing to do with it now.
So, go get a beer ….
‘…a major failure’? Are you toying with us, Master Chief?
Never mind. It’s best to the coals of this fire grow cold for now.