Crowd-sourcing terrorism excuses
Noor Zahi Salman is the ex-wife of the animal that gunned down scores of people in that club in Orlando last weekend. According to CBS News last week, the feds have been contemplating arresting her because she knew about his plans and didn’t contact authorities. She says that she tried to talk him out of it.
This week CBS reports that a former teacher of Salman says that she shouldn’t be held responsible because she had a learning disability and that Noor was in a special ed class in school;
“Noor had difficulty with retention, she had difficulty with conceptualizing, understanding, all challenges to her,” Susan said. “She tried hard. She was very sweet.”
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“Noor is completely innocent and [was] unaware of the attacks,” the statement [from Salman’s family] said, adding she doesn’t understand “cause and effect.” The family said Salman was enrolled in special education classes because she needed extra help in school.
Anyone who has been on the internet for a minute can attest that everyone is an expert on any subject. Even the worst criminal can find sympathizers in social media who will make excuses for them. Check the comments of any of our phony soldiers and you can see how the conversations drift off from the crime and into tiny bits of minutia that don’t have much to do with the subject.
This Susan person was a teacher who can attest to Salman’s performance in the classroom, but not to her interaction with her environment. Teachers, like journalists, think they are experts on any subject presented to them.
Salman already admitted that she knew the difference between right and wrong and tried to talk the criminal out of committing his crime, the fact remains that she didn’t call the authorities about it. I don’t know what that has to do with her special education classes. Even a kindergartner knows how to dial 9-1-1.
Thanks to Andy11M for the link.
Category: Crime
“But she’s so sweet – it’s not her fault!”
On another note, a English-language German website has an article today blaming spanking for American’s violent tendencies – including using guns. >barf<
I don’t Germans really have any room to criticize violent tendencies in other nations, just saying.
This is a liberal-even-for-Europe group that not only drank the kool-aide, it mixes up new batches at regular intervals and drinks that too.
An ignorant bunch of navel-gazers (or maybe they are looking a few inches lower – I’m not sure.)
What do they blame the Muslim rape festivals in German cities on? Short skirts? Smiling provocatively?
Bare arms and bare heads. The quoranimals can see the YLs naked arms and naked eyes, and that excites them beyond all control.
Yes, and yes. They are also after the advertisers who use fully nude models on their billboards.
Of course, they are also offering “classes” for “immigrants” on “No means no” and “How to interact with our women.”
NS – they really are.
Germans blaming it America’s violent tendencies? Really???!!! This is the same Germany that started two world wars and exterminated millions…right? Oh, I thought so, just checking my history. The most violent, stick up their ass society in Europe has something to say about violent tendencies. Who know?
Well, ethnic Germans make up the largest portion of America’s population, including 50% of my own DNA (the other half being Irish). Of course, we are the descendants of Germans who got sick of German bullshit.
TOW…I did point out the European Germans brother. No offense intended.
FWIW, one of the three official languages of the Republic of Texas was German – along with Spanish and English of course.
And everyone knows Texans don’t put up with that BS either.
Up until I believe 1976, all City Council meetings in Fredericksburg, TX (birthplace of Adm Nimitz, and home to the amazing National Museum of the Pacific War) were held in German. In fact, in order to even serve on the council, you had to be a fluent speaker of German.
I can see a point in that. We don’t spank kids when they are young like we used to, so they end up being worse little assholes.
If you spank your kid you end up on the news and get treated like a criminal and send to prison for 20 years. If you shoot someone, you get a couple years and they blame it on your parents for spanking you.
Last I checked, we were spanking children about 80-100 years ago as well, but we never put people into ovens. I think I’ll pass on taking morality advice of people who did.
Like the Greatest Generation, that Worst Generation in Germany is about two generations removed from today’s reality. They are just as much influenced by boomers, millenials and Gen-Xers as we are
No we just lynched black people for being black. Or locked them up for having Japanese parents.
Don’t want to sound like Lars Junior but there’s no reason to ignore our own history, or act like we as a people never did anything bad.
Next we’ll be hearing from some snot-headed pisspants booger-eating bleeding-heart-on-the -sleeve candyass(es) that they are also “Victims of Society” or some shittyassed weasel shit like that. FUCK ‘EM!!
See below.
But I see her as a victim of her husband and religion.
“Victim of religion.” Why can’t you find the balls to name the specific religion instead of blaming “religion” for the bullshit of one specific religion? Intellectual cowardice at its finest.
Do you really think I am afraid to name Islam?
I just think all religion has a tendency to cause social conflict between groups and usually oppresses women.
The mindless desire to focus on Islam makes sense to fuckwits like you. Because to you it is about attacking Muslims.
I think the issue is people using religion to divide in the first fucking place.
So you are part of the problem.
Not really, asshole, because my religion doesn’t do that. Neither does my wife’s religion. Nor that of my in-laws.
Of course, I’m sure you’re convinced that you know more about what we believe than we do, being the Omniscient Commissar and all. But that’s self-deception on your part, because everyone else knows you’re full of shit. And don’t bring up the fucking Crusades, because it doesn’t exactly work as a valid current criticism when it happened 700-1100 years ago.
Let me know when you find a report of aggressive Methodists gang-raping women who don’t cover their faces. Or Jewish suicide bombers blowing up shopping malls.
And speaking of what a coward you are, Larsie, remember your bullshit about it being “foolish” to fear communism? I challenge you to repeat that shit to my father-in-law. I’ll have the camera rolling as you get your ass stomped flat by a quiet 61-year-old 5’5″ slim-statured southeast Asian gentleman with diabetes.
He fought the Cong, NVA, and Khmer Rouge. He got better at fighting after he received training from Americans. He killed communists to defend his hearth, home, and kin. In the end, it wasn’t enough, as the superpower helping him, his countrymen, and their neighbors to the north and east to resist the communists decided to abandon them.
The communists who took over sent him and his family to a “reeducation facility” (known internationally as the Killing Fields) as “enemies of the people,” not because he had fought against them, but because he’s half-Chinese and could read and write in two languages (Khmer and French). The communists made him watch while they gang-raped his wife. They made him watch when they shot his 4-year-old son in the back of the head. He eventually escaped with the help of a communist who got a little too careless and wound up a little too dead to need his AK anymore, broke his wife out, and made it across the Thai border, where my wife was born. A few months later, they got off a plane in San Diego, and stayed here ever since, becoming naturalized US citizens along the way.
Come on, Lars. Tell that man that he’s “foolish” to fear communists. You’ll survive, but only because he considers you not worth killing.
PS: Maybe your hand will finally give you that pity jerk if you show something resembling balls.
Yes, it is foolish to fear communism. TODAY.
I am talking about in the 21st century.
Not a half century ago.
And you talk a lot of shit about cowardice for someone that never served a day in his life.
You believe that, Larsie? Seems you have a lot of people who believe the same as you. People who, like you, we’re too young to remember the Soviet Union, and who never saw first-hand (as I have) the “glory” of the communist system at work. Nevermind the fact there are some who want to return to that system, not because of the breadlines, shortages, or shitty quality of life they’d impose, bit because they think they’d be the ones holding the reigns of power because they are the “true believers.”
Of course, most of those folks would end up against the wall afterwards, but meh.
And yeah, a resurgence of communism even now is a very distinct possibility, if only because morons like you failed to learn from the previous 100+ million who died under it.
I am not too young to remember the Soviet Union.
I am 45.
Socialism =/= communism.
There is zero chance of a resurgence of communism in our lifetimes.
There are no major communist political movements in the world right now.
There are market socialist political movements, and several market socialist democracies.
All of which score higher than the US in freedom indexes.
Where does 50+ percent taxes, 10-15% unemployment, and about ZERO upward mobility equal freedom? And if you don’t think communism can resurge in our lifetimes, look again to Russia. See anything there worth noting?
SEA,
Larsie-poo-poo is ALMOST right, in that Socialism is NOT QUITE the same as Communism.
A Socialist is a Communist who hasn’t found his gun — yet. A Communist is a Socialist who HAS found his gun, and the will to use it to enforce his power.
(h/t to Mike V @ SSI for that definition)
If I recall correctly, Taylor, TOW’s a firefighter. I believe he’s been one for close to or more than a decade.
Out of curiosity: just how many burning buildings have you ever run into?
None. But I did rush to put out a burning car. And I fought two forest fires.
But I take your point.
I regret my comment.
I was just a bit frustrated with Whitey following me around the board making asshat comments to me constantly. Especially how frequently he tries to call me a coward and a liar.
Lars, do you know why TOW calls you a coward and a liar? Do you know why many of us here share those sentiments? Ponder on that for a while.
They call me a liar because they do not see the world as I do and due to selectivity bias reject what I say as lies rather than accept that I believe what I say and have sufficient cause to believe it.
They call my a coward because they don’t fucking know me.
Two forest fires, eh? What exactly did they look like, and what exactly did you do?
Wow, you finally answered! Of course, your answer was no answer at all, just an attempt to deflect the question. Riding right past your implications, Lars, the things I described are things that have happened to one extent or another under EVERY COMMUNIST REGIME IN HISTORY, you fucking halfwit!
And you need only look in the mirror to find the source of the “asshat” comments around here. I will remind you again that there was a time not so long ago when I was willing to give you due credit for your rare good point. When I did so, you responded by being a fucking asshole. This happened multiple times. Therefore, I came to the conclusion that you are, in fact, a fucking asshole, and have treated you accordingly ever since. I also saw you repeatedly post thing that were not true, indicating that you are also a liar, and have treated you accordingly. Had you not done these things, our interactions, if any, would be quite different. That’s on you. You created the current condition.
So fuck you. Stop being an asshole, and maybe we’ll see about not treating you like one.
I never lied. If posted something wrong it was because either my source was wrong or my interpretation was wrong.
But you called me a liar because you just do not like or believe what I have to say.
So fuck off shitbag.
I am not a liar. And I am not the one following your posts around being an asshole to you on a daily basis.
No, you’ve just been an asshole to everyone. I didn’t start treating you as such until you’d done it to me repeatedly. The threads are archived, you can go look for yourself. Treating you like the arrogant asshole you’ve been doesn’t make me a shitbag, it just makes me somebody who’s paid attention. Don’t blame me when you were an asshole first.
Why is it that you have such a hard time taking responsibility for your own actions?
The USSR and PRC were each officially atheist, Taylor. And between them, they murdered a bit short of 138M of their own citizens outside of warfare as the direct result of government policy.
As I recall, that’s a larger total than the estimate for all killed during all the religious wars in history combined.
That does not change what I said about the way religion causes strife between groups. Often violent strife.
Atheism was not the cause of those deaths. Authoritarian political structures rooted in communist ideology was behind those deaths.
Like religion, ideology kills. All forms of authoritarianism in particular.
Often ideology is not much different than religion.
The difference is that religion holds a special status and something that cannot be criticized for its stupidity. Ideology can be.
You are correct in your assessment that totalitarian government is deadly.
And yet, you profess not to worry about an ideology that invariably gives rise to totalitarian regimes that have deliberately killed more of their own citizens for political reasons during peacetime than have died in all religious wars in history. You tell us it is “foolish to fear” that ideology – when history screams otherwise.
Logic and consistency aren’t exactly your strong suits. But I will say that you indeed toe the Berkeley “party line” admirably, even when doing so makes you appear an ignorant ass.
Communism does lead to authoritarianism (though communist theory actually calls for no government at all).
If there were any communist political movements I would say there is reason to be concerned.
However, my point is neither subtle or difficult to understand….
there are no significant communist political movements in the US.
The communist party in the US is so politically irrelevant. There are no communists holding public office in the US.
Communism is not a threat.
Fascism is FAR FAR FAR FAR more of a threat than communism.
Yet I get attacked for not believing communism is a threat while a good percentage of the people on this board support Trump.
Trump is literally the closest we have come to an fascist president in decades. Possibly ever.
And it is clear that fascist rhetoric appeals to a significant percentage of American voters.
What has Bernie been pimping since he was a youth then, exactly? Who all has he supported?
Now have a seat, the adults are talking.
Socialism is not the same as communism.
And he is actually “pimping” market socialism which is what the majority of European Western Democracies and Canada have in some form or another.
‘no government at all’ is not communism, Poodle. You’re wrong.
It is anarchy.
No government means no laws, no rule of law, no rules – NOTHING. Every man for himself.
For reference, see Clockwork Orange and all the Mad Max movies starting with Mad Max #1.
No government at all means NO laws, NO rules, every man for himself.
Geez, tbe Poodle can’t even get his terms straight.
Communist theory explicitly ends with no government at all.
That is LITERALLY THE EXPLICIT ARGUMENT OF KARL MARX.
That is what he ACTUALLY WROTE.
Poodlehead.
That is literally the goal of communism. Everyone working together sharing according to the needs of the community with no need for government.
Anarchy is not the only political theory that has no government.
Strict libertarianism has no government as well.
Ever heard of the term “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”, Taylor? That’s a part of Marxist theory, too.
In fact, outside of religious communities like Convents and Monasteries the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is as far as any Communist-run state has ever gotten. Even among religious communities, that’s arguably also the case – since convents and monasteries have individuals called “Mother Superiors” and “Abbots” who often rule absolutely.
In short, communism the philosophy is far different than its actual implementation. And in practice, everyone seems to get stuck at the “Dictatorship” stage.
Marx and Engels considered the Paris Commune an example of a “Dictatorship of the Proletariat”. So was the Soviet Union, Mao’s PRC, and Democratic Kampuchea. All were nice for the ruling elite. For everyone else, not so much.
Bottom line: in every instance where they’ve achieved rule, Communists have instituted a totalitarian dictatorship that ruled with an iron hand. They’ve never progressed past that point. Never.
And outside of religious communities, all of those totalitarian Communist dictatorships have been bloody as hell and antithetical to freedom. Every damn time. And often the first to go “up against the wall” were allies that helped them take power who were deemed “not true believers”.
Any political philosophy that invariably leads to a bloody totalitarian dictatorship should be viewed with extreme caution. Only a damn fool does otherwise.
Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing over and other and expecting different results. It can also be defined as ignoring or being unable to perceive reality.
Perhaps you should seek help. One or both of the above appear to apply to you.
911 Emergency. What is your emergency?
There’s a lion in my front yard.
A what?
A lion. Well, really, it’s a lioness.
A lioness?
Yeah, you know – a girl lion. Can I give her a glass of water?
How old are you?
I’m four.
Okay, you stay away from the lion and I’ll send someone over. Where’s your mom?
The lion ate her.
Yes, I’d say kindergartners do know about emergency calls, because they’re in the paper on a regular basis for doing just that when something happens at home. (I made up that lion in the yard thing.)
It’s entirely possible if it was a TAH Lioness…
I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that. lol
You say that, then I read about a mother in Colorado who pried her 4-year-old son’s head out of the mouth of a young mountain lion…
Oh, my Lord! I’d forgotten about that!
But there was a winter morning a few years ago when a grade schooler being babysat by his grandfather told him that there were lions in the back yard, and when Grandpa looked, there was a male and a female African lion pair in the back yard. They were probably exotic pets that somebody dumped when they got too big. Now there are black bears being spotted not 50 miles from my house.
I grew up on the sunny side of the Tetons. Black bears 50M off the back porch was normal in spring. Spring being easter + 14 days.
In the southern NM mountains it is a normal part of the routine to help pick up trash around the dumpsters after the black bears get through messing around. At some times of year, bear watching is quite normal. Residents have to be cautioned not to feed bears, since once a bear thinks a house holds food, they can break in relatively easily and they really mess up a kitchen. Not to mention being less than happy when they feel cornered.
Whether or not she is charged is mot dependent upon her special ed needs, whatever they may have been. You don’t get a pass because you rode the short bus. If she assisted him in ANY way in his Islamoevil plan, she should be charged.
That depends on her IQ. Low enough and it can be used as evidence in an affirmative defense.
If you heard her in the day or two following the shootings, she certainly was cognizant. Good luck with that defense when the prosecution shows her with a TV camera in her face less than 24 hours after the fact.
I may be wrong but the first few days were interviews with his ex-wife only, she has nothing to do with this crime and hates the man. She has not had contact with him since her parents helped her escape.
I do not think his current wife has been interview by the public. It is his current wife that is being investigated for her involvement and is apparently cooperating.
Confidentiality of student records is protected under federal law (FERPA)and in the case of students with disabilities also by IDEA. One would expect a special education teacher to know that and not to violate law by disclosing a former student’s information with the media. idk, that kind of makes me question “Susan’s” credibility.
She had enough comprehension of right and wrong to try to talk him out of it. Therefore she had enough to know she should call the authorities. Plenty of blood on her hands. Fuck her.
That’s OK, lady. We can get a short bus to the gallows. And there will be a juice cup at the end of the trip.
She’s 30 and the special ed class was when she was in middle school. There aren’t too many 10-year-old girls who can’t be called sweet, especially by their former special ed teacher.
Susan’s comments are the type of horsepucky you get in a “no-fault” society. Nobody’s responsible for anything; it’s all somebody else’s fault (probably Bush). I worry for the future.
TLDR version:
“Your honor, my client didn’t know what she was doing.”
“Why’s that?”
“Because she’s a retard.”
Judge: “Of course she is. About half the defendants in my court and 3/4 of the attorneys that appear here are either retards or morons. Once–about 10 years ago–there was a defendant who was both a retard and a moron AND did not know right from wrong. Are you saying she will be the second?”
First she was cooperating with authorities. Then they didn’t know where she had got to. At least that is what the media would have us believe. Should we conclude that she never was in any sort of custody?
Who knows. Whatever it was or wasn’t it may or may not have gotten them any useful information which they may or may not be able to use in the future. Gee, thanks, media fools. I could have figured that much out all on my own without your “reporting.”
Pardon me if I give not a whit of interest in this former teacher’s opinion, one which has absolutely nothing to do with the sad events of last week.
Maybe they will scrub the arrest report, too.
Apparently she is cooperating with the FBI.
She was married to a an extremely abusive and controlling sociopath under the additional constraints of a religion that is extremely oppressive to wives.
She was also apparently a bit of a simpleton.
She has criminal responsibility and she will almost certainly face some criminal consequences.
I think we should just let her/her lawyer and the FBI work out a deal based on her assistance and cooperation.
She is both a criminal and a victim.
Time will tell. The San Bernadino couple definately showed that muslim couples could definately be in cahoots.
However, there has been nothing so far to show she was nothing more than a typical muslim wife. Beaten, subdued and kept firmly in her place by a Koranimal who was on the down low for dick.
What religion did she belong to Taylor?
If you need a hint, let someone know.
Ooh! Ooh! Teacher, I know this one! Can I answer it?
Islam.
At common law, one has no duty to report criminal activities. There are a few statutory requirements (mandated reporting of child abuse–limited in most states to medical professionals and teachers–is an example) but they are the exception. Unless the feds can come up with some act this execrable woman took in furtherance of a conspiracy with her ex, I don’t see what they can charge her with.
Well, Federal law would appear to disagree with you – at least regarding Federal felonies. Having knowledge of a Federal felony and failing to report it to the authorities appears to be a Federal felony.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4
Easily, if the factual grounds are present. Misprision was part of the common law for about 700 years and gave us our federal misprision statute as well as those found on the books in some states. It requires knowledge plus an affirmative attempt to conceal the felony. Here’s a case from last year that was upheld by the 11th circuit. Coincidentally, the crime occurred in Florida.https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/court-appeals-upholds-conviction-courtnee-brantley-misprision-crime-committed-following
No, you try to talk your husband out of buying that 1968 Vette that he always wanted, because you know he could not climb in or out of it any more.
If you know your husband is planning on killing many, that you report, that is when you take yourself down to the police station and tell them all you know.
Her IQ, and processing skills are irrelevant. If she is able to properly care for a child, she is able to dial 911
For your consideration…views?
https://www.facebook.com/TheComicalConservative/videos/vb.133352176797969/876041662529013/?type=2&theater
My first thought is WHO in this room would disagree? What woman in this room would disagree, especially if she is sitting next to husband.