The politics of guns
Claymore sends us a link to Twitchy that reports Democrat Congressman Seth Moulton from Massachusetts and a former Marine with four tours of the Iraq War according to Wiki has decided that Americans shouldn’t own “weapons of war” like he carried in the Marine Corps. Of course, the weapons of war that I own only look like the gun he carried in Iraq – it isn’t fully automatic;
A look at tomorrow's front page…
Hey @NRA, Marine says "NO CIVILIAN SHOULD OWN THIS GUN" https://t.co/dDrxtVLUgs pic.twitter.com/1cngdNzvNu— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) June 15, 2016
Aside from my AR-style rifles, I also own several 1911s – also weapons of war – one of which even has arms room time since I bought it from a Texas veteran who brought it back from the Korean War. I happen to like guns, mostly because I spent most of my adult life carrying one everywhere I went. When I feel anxious, something about holding that pistol grip makes me feel better. I’ve never committed a crime with any of my guns, none of those guns has ever had another human in it’s sights.
Moulton has a problem saying things that aren’t true. In March, in the Boston Globe, he compared the rise of Donald Trump to the rise of Hitler;
He said voters should read up on how the German people elected Hitler in the 1930s, to gain a better understanding of how an educated society “can elect a demagogue.”
“I’m not saying that Donald Trump is necessarily Hitler,” Moulton said. “I’m not saying that.”
But he is saying that AR-style rifles are “weapons of war”.
In the pages of the Rolling Stone, David S. Cohen, who claims to be a constitutional law professor says that it’s time to repeal the Second Amendment because “sometimes we just have to acknowledge that the Founders and the Constitution are wrong.”
The Second Amendment needs to be repealed because it is outdated, a threat to liberty and a suicide pact. When the Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, there were no weapons remotely like the AR-15 assault rifle and many of the advances of modern weaponry were long from being invented or popularized.
Sure, the Founders knew that the world evolved and that technology changed, but the weapons of today that are easily accessible are vastly different than anything that existed in 1791. When the Second Amendment was written, the Founders didn’t have to weigh the risks of one man killing 49 and injuring 53 all by himself. Now we do, and the risk-benefit analysis of 1791 is flatly irrelevant to the risk-benefit analysis of today.
Well, if they think the founders were wrong, they should just go ahead and try to repeal the Second Amendment. Quit yapping about it and just do it.
In Slate, Dahlia Lithwick says that we should repeal the Second Amendment “for the children” after a brief discussion with her son.
Freedom in America also means that we are free to wake up every morning hoping that it’s not our kid who gets shot with a weapon of war, and free to wake up hoping it’s not our kid who shoots someone, and free to wake up praying it’s not our kid, or our spouse, or our neighbor who shoots herself. In this freest country on earth, we also happen to be in a perpetual hostage situation, in which one false move—or merely the choice to go to class, or to dance with friends—means you may wind up dead.
Of course, Ms. Lithwick won’t admit that the reason she enjoys her freedom is because of braver people than she who do own guns and remove criminals from her path through life everyday.
It’s funny how these people are quick to blame the NRA and it’s millions of American members for what is clearly a threat from radical Islamists.
Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists, Politics
“I’m not saying that Donald Trump is necessarily Hitler,” Moulton said. “I’m not saying that.”
“You know, I’m implying the fuck out of it-but I’m not coming right out and saying it.”
Molon Labe Douchebag!
You know what’s funny? One of the rotating ads appearing on my browser is for the movie “Free State of Jones”, and a lot of people are going to go see that movie-based on a true story-and they are going to see free people resisting a government that they could no longer abide and I wonder how many of those same people will think to themselves that such resistance would have been impossible without private ownership of firearms.
They all should read up on their history.
They would then find that Hitler was a liberal and not conservative.
They probably don’t want to bring that part up!
I wonder what the DNC offered this pathetic turncoat A.H.?
These people conveniently forget that a lot of field artillery of the time that we used in the Revolution were privately owned. I’m pretty sure if you could go back in time and hand Washington an M16 and a handful of mags, he’d start giggling like a kid and take it to the field immediately.
This isn’t about safety, this is about control.
These people conveniently forget that a lot of field artillery of the time that we used in the Revolution were privately owned.
Naval artillery certainly-Letters of Marque and Reprisal in Article I, Section 8, Clause 11.
oh god, I’ve been fighting about this all day with idiots who think Revolutionary War battle consisted solely of muskets. Idjits.
Muskets, muzzleloading rifles, fowling pieces, black powder grenades, pistols, horse pistols, bayonets, knives, tomahawks, twenty different kinds of sword, axes, spiked clubs, gunstock war clubs (one of the most devastating close-combat instruments ever devised), and at least a dozen different kinds of field artillery. Those included old sakers, 6-, 8-, and 12-pound field guns, howitzers, and mortars, before we even get into the exotic/specialized hardware. These fired solid roundshot, grapeshot (think enormous shotgun, devastating against infantry), chainshot (designed for naval combat, its effect on men and horses was downright murderous), cased explosive shells, incendiary carcass shells, and of course, that perennial crowd-pleaser known as quicklime.
Hardly any of it was government inventory.
Boy oh Boy… The Libtards are pulling all nighters he stops out for this. And to think a lot of thes assholes are the same morons that think we should do away with our whole constitution and give them all the power…
Seth Moulton is another candyassed pisspants sellout that can GO FUCK HIMSELF sideways with ten tons of rusty barbed wire wrapped in diarrhea-soaked asbestos for forsaking his oath like Piss-tray-puss and the others. He decided to sell his soul for political gain making himself just another POLITICAL WHORE in my book.
according to Wikipedia he is a protege of Petraeus, by the way, who also came out on the bedwetter’s ‘ban the nasty GUNZ” side this week, too. He apparently claims to have been anti-war through four tours in Iraq.
I was anti war too as a Soldier. But I also knew that we were justified and was proud to be part of it and would do it all again. I think all Soldiers want to avoid was when possible. It’s not always available and it wasn’t avoidable in Iraq and Afghanistan. Funny thing is war always follows political failures but then after they screwed up the chance to avoid war, the politicians want to second guess and “handle” he military that is there because of them in the first place.
All of this to basically say “F” him and Petraeus.
Thank you for your service, Captain.
Now STFU.
He’s rapidly negating whatever service he gave, by becoming part of the problem.
Would anyone like to join me in the TAH Hymn?
I’ll sing tenor. . .
I thought mama sang tenor…
Daddy sang bass. Me and little brother would join right in there.
DIBS on Baritone!!
And a one and a two…
And no civilian will own that gun Wilbur.
Fuckin master of the obvious.
This fuckhead can come out against guns all he wants. He just can’t change the facts while he’s doing it.
Lying sack of shit. Just like his Commander in Chief.
And I’m getting REALLY sick of this “weapons of war” meme. I wonder how many glasses of Chardonnay they had to drink at the DNC to come up with that winner.
Me too! I got in a long exchange yesterday with some douchebag in which ultimately he said that the distinction between selective fire and semi-automatic is pedantic. At that point I asked him if the federal firearms Act of 1934 was pedantic. Or if the Hughes Amendment to the firearm owners protection act of 1986 was pedantic . Since that I have heard nothing but crickets.
Like President Obama said, “words have meanings.”
Chardonnay, HELL. I bet they’re guzzling all the liberal Kool-Aid they can as fast as they can before they regurgitate it into a mess media microphone,
Flavored with millions in taxpayer dollars.
I’ll get rid of all my ‘weapons of war’ when there aren’t any more ‘Muslims of Mayhem.’ Is that a fair trade?
Must be nice to live in places so nice (DC, Boston) that violence is unknown.
(The more popular and well-known version of the above – “We sleep peaceably in our beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf.” – appears to be a 1993 paraphrase of Orwell’s earlier phrase above. It has never been found in any of Orwell’s written work.)
A Democrat Congressman Boston fan…fuck him eight ways from Sunday. Like many officers I served with, he knows nothing of what should have been the tools of his trade.
Oh, and he knows nothing of history either… the typical civilian rifle (Pennsylvania or Kentucky long rifles) were typically rifled and far more accurate than the Brit Brown Bess which depended on mass fire for hits at any longer range. If we applied the standards of the time and equipped soldiers worse than civilians, the military would have -15s and civilians would have -16s.
While we’re at it, the Orlando shooter’s rifle was not an AR – sure wish they would quit calling it that. I’m kinda surprised no one is asking how the hell he got something that big INTO the nightclub. (It’s not a baseball bat, I’m just glad to see you” just wouldn’t cover it.
“I’m kinda surprised no one is asking how the hell he got something that big INTO the nightclub.”
I really want to know how that happened too, particularly since there was an off-duty cop working there as security. Not jamming on the cop, but I am sure interested in what he/she did.
From what I have read, there was a gunfight with the security guard who also happens to be an off duty LEO. Though neither were wounded in the confrontation, apparently it did gain him access to the club.
This guys says it can be done.
https://www.facebook.com/robert.buckles.1/videos/vb.507579239/10154880481564240/?type=2&theater
Meanwhile, the presumptive GOP nominee is meeting with the NRA, who he points out has endorsed him, to push for a ban on firearms ownership for anyone who is or has been on the terrorist watch list.
Without due process.
I fucking hate this election season.
Oh, sorry… on the no-fly list, on which half the people have nothing to do with fucking terrorism.
With the delegates voting their conscience, we may have a better choice.
Surprised? He started to back peddle on anything remotely conservative as soon as Cruz folded.
Whereas Cruz backpedaled on the American people as soon as border security came up.
He had his chance, but the donors told Ted “No Border Security!” and H1B Ted fell right into line.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/743078235408195584
“I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.” ~Donald Trump 2016
Yep, because fuck your due process! I’m TRUMP!
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/world/hockey-loving-6-year-old-toronto-boy-no-fly-list-article-1.2485719
http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/04/05/59257/lawsuit-challenging-us-no-fly-list-includes-4-year/
He really does suck. I used to think that the moniker of “the stupid party” for the GOP was more or less a joke-this election shows the truth of it
Feel free to vote for the Clinton crime family.
I am sure she will protect our rights better than the Trumpminator.
Oh and she is all for free market capitalism, small government and our constitutional freedoms. /sarc.
There are other choices you know. I pulled the lever for McCain (against my better instincts) in 2008. In 2012 I voted for Gary Johnson and I probably will again this time.
I supported the Republicans for a long time because I believed them to be more principled than the Dems. Some of them are; Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Ben Sasse, but too many are rank opportunists who don’t care in the slightest about “free markets, small government and our Constitutional rights”.
Anyway, Donald Trump has no principles that I can discern other than “Donald J. Trump is the most awesome dude ever to stride the planet” and he promotes that one principle to the exclusion of all others.
I’ll pass.
So, in 2012 you effectively voted for the current Occupant, 1600 Pa Ave, Wash DC.
Not sure I’d be proud of that.
A Hobson’s choice is no choice at all Hondo. I voted my conscience and I will again. If I am to have an enemy in a position of power, let me have one that I can oppose.
Romney won my state anyway, so there is no way it can be said that I voted for Obama in any way, shape or form.
I notice that he’s not meeting with GAO.
That’s because Larry pratt would tell him to go pound sand in no uncertain terms.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=33068
Trump might consider this one as well, since he is going to add the terror and no fly lists.
Moulton is a Vote Vets clown. Nuff said there.
And repealing the 2nd Amendment? Good luck getting 38 states to go along with that. Last I checked, that was roughly the number of “shall-issue” states.
Chicago has the strictest gun laws EVER ANYWHERE. It also has one of the HIGHEST CRIME RATES IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, because the people who actually have GUNNZZZ are either cops or gangbangers, both Latino and Black.
Go ahead, run your mouth, Moulton, you useless apple rind. You’re just another attention whore with a control-freak personality. You wanna negotiate with ISIS? How long do you think you’ll last before THEY set your ass on fire, you asswipe?
I say we hurry and beat them to the punch. Let’s repeal the Second Amendment! And replace it with one that has zero ambiguous language and firmly asserts and affirms the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms.
Let’s repeal parts of the 1st amendment instead. The part that allows people like him to talk out of their ass…
Love the header:
“Does this make him a gun-grabbing Commie too?”
Why, yes! Yes it does!
Well, a good friend of mine (God rest his soul) who was a combat Marine once said that every unit has that one asshole. How much does anybody want to bet that Marines who served with the posterboy would describe him with those exact words?
I have several “weapons of war.” Some were actually used in wars. The Civil War, WWI, the Russian Civil War, WWII, Korea. So what? My AR-15 is not the M4 this douche carried in Iraq. Try putting an M4 selector and trigger group in my civilian AR-15 lower and let me know how well they fit. Assuming, of course, that any of these whiners even know what those parts are.
Besides, if the posterboy wants to show up at my place with his M4 to seize my AR, he might find himself a bit outgunned against my 1942-vintage Garand, for which car doors, tree trunks, brick walls, and body armor are merely concealment, not cover.
Yer ar15 could probably fire full auto after 3 minutes work with a screwdriver. (mebbe less if you were not smoking a cig with the other hand.)
Problem is, it costs $20 every time you pull the trigger.
So you change it back.
Somebody please explain to poster-boi, the difference between a “GUN” and a rifle.
Somewhere a village is missing it’s idiot.
This is my rifle and this is my gun. One is for shooting and one is for fun.
Ft. Dix circa 1968.
Just gotta love that virtue signaling! Is this one like most politicians, a lawyer on the side? Or did he have some other job, rather than being only an aspiring blowhard in Congress? Like his role model, the late duke of Chappaquidick?
Gosh, weapons of war! That sounds so scary!
As Frank Zappa remarked about parents in the 60s, if our kids knew how lame you are, they’d murder you in your beds.
I suspect that is at the back of most folks like his minds. What if the citizenry figured it out, and came for little ol’ me, and CNN, etc?
Doesn’t stop them, though.
Thomas, thank you! My old drill sergeant would have died of apoplexy. Every time some moron says “gun” I get the urge to scream “It ain’t a gun, boy, you ain’t no artilleryman!”
Of course, if these snowflakes can’t fathom the difference between a rifle and a pistol, and every rifle is an assault weapon, whatever that is this week, I guess I expect too much.
That’s what you get without the front leaning rest as encouragement.
GUNNZZZ, GUNNNZZZ, GUNNNZZZZZ!!!!!
Jonn, you said, “It’s funny how these people are quick to blame the NRA and it’s millions of American members for what is clearly a threat from radical Islamists.”
Perhaps we disagree. If “funny” mean “humorous”, I think that it is not at all funny. If “funny” means “un-fucking-believable” then we do agree. By the way, don’t get excited, I know what you meant.
This kind of crap really lights my rockets. Rant On!
If these asshats like the freedom to say stupid shit, they need to visit their nearest federal cemetery, bow down, say a prayer, and put flowers on every grave. Those are the people who paid the price so asshats can say stupid shit – soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines and their families. Little dickless and his computer don’t count.
You don’t have the guts to fight for your rights? I am old, fat, slow, and ugly but my rights mean more to me today than they did when I held up my right hand and swore to protect and defend the Constitution. Get the hell out of my way.
End of Rant.
Does anyone have any idea if this Moulton critter served with and or, happen to have slept with Kokesh? Oh wait, Vote Vets? Isn’t that ol chrome dome? Anyhow…
We never had these kinds of mass-killings before assault rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Eliminate mass gang shootings and extremist Muzzies and the the number of mass shootings drops through the floor. It has actually dropped.
In their stats they combine drive-bys, spray and prays, anything where several people get lit up – regardless of whether it a w a Crips-Bloods shootout over turf or whatever. If it takes place within 1000 feet (over a click and a half) of a church or a school, it’s a school shooting, too.
For that matter, while you are eliminating the above, eliminate the black-on-black and Hispanic drug gang numbers and the US has some of the lowest per-capita gun-crime stats in the world. It ain’t politically correct to say so, but it’s fact.
“Dahlia Lithwick says that we should repeal the Second Amendment “for the children” after a brief discussion with her son.”
While you’re at it, tell your son how 9+ times the number of children die every year from cancer than all the yearly mass shootings in North America combined. But, you’re focused on mass shootings because you give a sh!+ about “the children”?
ANYONE wanna bet that far more children die in traffic accidents than from guns?
I’m sure. “Of the 32,719 traffic fatalities in 2013
in the United States, 1,149 (4%) were
children 14 and younger.”
Still looking for 2014 and 2015 data.
More children drown in swimming pools than get shot. I’ve seen it myself, more times than I want to think about.
So where’s the outrage for that?
Here is the kicker. Children die in such horrific ways,but no one gives a shit till they all die on the same day. Children’s cancer research? F@ck it. Those kids suffer over months and years, never experiencing life. Sandy Hook? Oh, now we give a fuck.
France has some of the most restrictive weapons laws imaginable. Considering Charlie Hebdo, Battaclan and the most recent police officer dual assassination, it would not appear that policy works particularly well .
If strict Gun Laws were the panacea for crime that libtards claim them to be, then places like Chicago, DC, NJ and Mexico would be crime-free Utopias, but we know the opposite is true. Has the mainstream mess media started blaming Trump yet?
Didn’t Hitler collect all the firearms once he took power? Surprised he didn’t tumble to that, but that wouldn’t help his narrative.
Plus, Trump is the person warned about in Revelation, except most of his detractors don’t probably read the scriptures, anyhow.
With all this latest hysteria, the media is REALLY reaching for every angle to support their nonsense even more than usual.
I find it quite telling that the man that was quoted as saying this;
“There is a healthy disrespect among veterans who served on the front lines for people who walk around telling war stories”.
Now walks around using his war stories to further his anti 2nd Amendment agenda. Apparently he took little heed nor interest in his oath of office as a Marine Officer and now as a C̶r̶i̶m̶i̶n̶a̶l̶err, Congressman.
What a douche-knuckle.
“Freedom in America also means that we are free to wake up every morning hoping that it’s not our kid who gets shot with a weapon of war, and free to wake up hoping it’s not our kid who shoots someone, and free to wake up praying it’s not our kid, or our spouse, or our neighbor who shoots herself.”
Oh, I get it. So my wife is already owned, I have no fear of her and don’t have to pray for her ability to protect herself. If we ever have kids, I should train them the same?!?!
Thanks, I understand now.