Oceanport, NJ Police Chief Daniel W. Barcus to Army Lieutenant Colonel; no gun for you
New Jersey’s 101.5 reports that Army Lieutenant Colonel Terry S. Russell, the product manager for the Army’s Individual Weapons and Small Arms program applied to local authorities for a permit to carry a concealed weapon to work at the Picatinny Arsenal in Wharton, New Jersey. The local police chief, Daniel W. Barcus, denied his application because Russell couldn’t show “justifiable need” because there have been no specific threats towards Russell;
After police [rejected] Russell’s application, he appealed to Superior Court. Monmouth County Prosecutor Christopher J. Gramiccioni stood by the denial, saying in a Jan. 29, 2015, letter to Judge Joseph Oxley that the soldier had failed to demonstrate “justifiable need” to have a carry permit.
“None of these threats appear to specifically relate to this applicant — he is in no different position than any other person who is assigned to that facility.”
Gramiccioni also contends that if Russell is granted a concealed-carry permit, other employees of Picatinny would have to be issued permits as well.
So, that’s real good excuse – if we give you a permit, we’ll have to give everyone a permit. Funny how the founders didn’t worry about that when they wrote the Second Amendment into the Constitution.
On April 5, the judge in the case agreed with the prosecutor, issuing an order that “thanks” Russell “for his service” but denies Russell’s appeal.
Thank you for your service, now give your life to your country, pleb.
In support of his application, Russell specifically mentions a threat that was verified by the U.S. military against members of the military and their families. He also says the Picatinny Arsenal’s web page had been hacked in an attempt to “obtain personal military member and family information” and refers to a “full evacuation of the arsenal due to “the discovery of a dry run attempt to drive a Vehicle Borne Improved Explosive Device onto Post.”
Aside from his Top Secret security clearance investigation, Russell also has a concealed weapon permit from Texas that is no good in New Jersey because New Jersey has no reciprocity agreements with any other state.
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Fucking New Jersey, glad I left there years ago.
Everyone will be scratching their heads and pointing fingers when something catastrophic happens.
Total Bullshit. I thought Chris Christie was so Pro 2nd Amendment when he was running for POTUS? WTF doesn’t he do something about New Jersey if he such a pro 2nd Amendment guy? I am so glad I live in the west!
As a former career county law enforcement officer, I call Bullshit on that police chief. Fuck him!
Thank you for your service in law enforcement.
Christie is a fat fucking tool and rides the bandwagon.
You mean the dude who THINKS he is a po lice chief. He doesn’t know it,yet, but he is going to be a loser in this deal.
As a Vietnam vet and career county law enforcement too, I agree. I would look the other way if I stopped him carrying.
If the Colonel is unfortunate enough to still be in New Jersey, he should find himself a lawyer that is up on cases like this. A Federal judge in D.C. has said that the ‘demonstrated need” provision of their law is unconstitutional.
Perhaps he should hook up with the NRA or the Second Amendment Foundation?
The same type of law in San Diego County, Califruitsnnutz, was overturned. By the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals!!!!!
Since those rulings have been well publicized, and a LEO boss’s job is to stay up on such things, maybe some legal eagle would like to take a shot at getting famous for charging the douchebag with a willful violation of the Col’s Constitutional Rights.
Try making it a criminal case. Nothing like the threat of jail time to shake up the shit in the bowels of incompetent law enforcement.
He should go after the prosecutor, too. Just for shits n giggles. As you said, it’s not like these rulings haven’t been publicized.
The best they could do is overturn the ruling. Prosecutorial immunity don’tcha know…
I promise that the NRA will have a field day with this. Stay tuned for a scathing article in one of their upcoming magazines…
As long as it is not a high capacity magazine. That would be a magazine with more than five articles. Nobody needs a magazine with more than five articles.
LMAO!
He already has *THE* gun lawyer from NJ as mentioned in the article.
Different circuit jurisdiction, UpNorth. Other Federal circuit judges have reportedly sided with states on such claims. Specifically, a Federal judge in MD has apparently OKed MD doing exactly the same thing.
Until this is decided by the SCOTUS, I’m afraid the good LTC is screwed.
I sometimes wish state LEOs (active and retired) had to abide by the same restrictions everyone else in “may issue” states did with respect to CC permits, with no exemptions or exceptions. Then maybe you’d see “may issue” state LEOs start changing their tune.
When Michigan was still a “May Issue” state, I applied for a CPL after my retirement from law enforcement. The prosecutor and the Michigan State Police representative on the CPL Board were fascinated to learn that I’d put people in prison, and that threats had been made against me and my family by several families in my county of residence.
The response of these guardians of the populace was to grant me a “restricted” CPL. They empowered me to carry a concealed firearm, in any county in the state of Michigan, except my county of residence.
When I asked the inconvenient question of how was I supposed to transport a pistol to the county line, so I could then carry concealed, the representative of the MSP opined that, perhaps, I should just forgo the right of carrying a firearm.
Fortunately, before that permit expired, Michigan became a “Shall Issue” state.
Compare NJ crime rates to states which are shall-issue, or no permit required.
And yeah, Christie is just as much to blame for the shit in his state.
The last time that I was in the shithole known as New Jersey was to get a load of freight that a disabled driver had loaded before going to the hospital. Had he not been a friend of mine, I wouldn’t have gone there. This state is all about letting the criminal thrive at the expense of good citizens.
The police chief, prosecutor and judge are all red diaper doper babies… bet each one of them has access to a gun for “protection”.
Fuck them… hard!
As for Christie (aka: the Joizee Jabba da Hutt), he’s not a (R), he should label his party affiliation as Donkeycrat light
Ain’t nothing light about the Joizee Jabba da Hutt.
It’s not surprising. Concealed carry is technically legal in New Jersey but in reality it’s pretty much impossible to get a permit.
Ditto with any of the may-issue states.
I read somewhere that the Orange County, CA Sheriff pulled something like 2/3 of the CCW permits there after Corona got the boot, and even then, there were only about 2500-3000.
So they’re down to 1000 permits in a county of over 4 million. I live in a town of 25K and I know there’s more CCW permits than that.
Government in Nooh Joizey once again decides to be the criminals’ friend and enabler.
Well, here in NJ we already chased out one base from its borders, (Ft. Monmouth, R.I.P.. and oddly enough 1/3 of it WAS in Oceanport! ) maybe they’ll do the Army and this law abiding citizen/soldier a favor and chase out the rest.
Funny how every swinging dick Corrections Officer and armed security guard can carry off duty, but a UNIFORMED member of the Military is not worthy enough of his basic rights.
Oh, wait, I forgot… this is NJ. he’d need to be tied to the mob or a Dem politician to be considered worthy.
The permit law is favorable to retired law enforcement as well. While I agree, it should also be available to law abiding citizens and military personnel.
Maryland grins, gives a high five to New Jersey.
Welcome to Maryland! Please check your weapons in Virginia before proceeding…
Yea, I won’t travel north of VA unless it’s a painful necessity.
It worries me that Michael Savage has suggested Christie would make a good running mate for Trump.
A whopping 21 person Police Department. Sounds like the Chief has little man syndrome and is trying to project his wee bit of authority…
Napoleon Syndrome, perhaps?
21 cops for ~3 square miles and ~6000 residents.
The number of residents fluctuates between summer Bennies and every time the coastal regions flood out after another Hurricane.
Something tells me it’s about to lose a few more residents here real quick after this story.
He might be better off moving across the line to PA and closer to work where he could at least legally protect his family himself.
And I’ll bet that he wears four stars on his collar. Talk about stolen valor!
You nailed it Roger. I’d be interested in hearing if anyone here at TAH thinks that 4-star business on local cops and sheriffs is defensible. Myself, I think it’s laughable, even on the few police chiefs and sheriffs I like.
When and how did that silly crap ever get started?
I was under the impression that police chiefs et al can choose whatever bling they desire. My concern is the gray area between military command structure and civilian police command structure.
And maybe a crown? Perhaps a purple cape, the color of royalty? Those would be a nice touch.
Yep. A classic bureaucrat with delusions of grandeur and adequacy who let a bit of authority go to his head, and now feels he has to impose his idea of right and wrong on others.
NJ is a Fascist state.
Not so much Fascist as libidiot Socialist. If it were Fascist, local government might actually work worth a damn there. The Fascists of the 1930s, though brutal and reprehensible, were reasonably efficient and managed to make things work fairly well locally.
And they were socialists with a strong belief in concentrating all major powers in the central government.
And, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that efficiency and attention to detail thing more a deeply ingrained Teutonic cultural trait than fascistic?
Eh, not really. I believe the Teutonic equivalent called themselves “National Socialists”. The Fascists of the 1920s and 1930s were Italian. (smile)
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These states are being knocked down one at a time. NJ’s time is coming where lawful Americans will not have to ask someone for the permission to protect themselves and their family.
Everyone here is a member of the NRA, right???
I see many cities and even states circling the drain with misguided social and economic policy yet the same type of incompetence continues to be elected. One saying goes that continuing to do the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different/better outcome is a form of insanity. Probably applies here.
Ant bets if the judge has a CCW?
Time to send in the Feds to arrest for civil rights violations and to liberate the state.
I thank God each and every day for allowing me to live and work in Oklahoma. We have none of that crap here.
I wonder what would happen if, during a specified week, every service member, veteran, gun-owner, and TAH-Feel-Good-Story fan living in New Jersey applied for a concealed-carry permit?
Not that I’m saying anyone should organize such a large-scale act of civil obedience…
Same incompetence pollutes Chicago. There are calls for Rahmbo. I don’t think anyone in City Hall likes him. They just put up with him. When that young woman was shot and killed yesterday, he called her family to console them. What he SHOULD do is tell Chicago citizens that it’s open season on gangbangers and have his permission to arm themselves, if they wish to.
We have property in Monmouth County, to include a paid for 3 bedroom house. My family has been there since the early 1700’s. I will not move there precisely because of this kind of BS.
NJ has seen a decline in the population, with many moving to FL and TX. I can’t imagine why.
I suspect it’s more NJ’s asinine state taxes than the fact that the state is otherwise FUBAR, Bobo.
Some relatives of mine own property in Florida. From what I’ve seen, many of those who move there from NY and NJ seem to want to change their new homes to be “more like NY/NJ”, socially – to include stupid local laws that infringe on personal freedom. In short, they seem to bring with them the same idiocy that caused them to leave their former homes in the first place.
Those who grew up there don’t generally have much use for that idea – or many of those new FL residents, for that matter.
I presume the same is true in TX, and that’s why many of the larger TX cities (esp. Houston) are messed up. But that’s conjecture on my part. Don’t have relatives there and haven’t spent a lot of time in that state.
They are a lot like the communists and socialists we have in this country. They are sure that this time, the Good Ideas will work and they will finally have Heaven on Earth.
I see that as a typical trait of libidiot moonbats, Hondo. They render one locale uninhabitable, then they migrate to infest and infect other locales. On the West Coast, they began in California and have migrated to infest and infect WA and OR. Ones from say NJ and NY have infected swaths of FL and are still trying to infect it with their libidiot politics.