Ads with Nazi imagery banned by legacy governor

| November 28, 2015

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There’s a new show on Amazon by the name of “The Man in the High Castle” taken from the book by the same name by author Philip K. Dick. It takes place in 1962 and it’s based on the premise that the United States never prepared for World War II and so, when the war finally broke out we stayed out of it and the Germans and Japanese successfully invaded and now they’ve occupied the United States proper for seventeen years. The Rocky Mountains are a “neutral zone” between the Germans (in the East) and the Japanese on the West Coast. Both sides are brutal occupiers and neither is depicted well (though the Japanese seem nicer than the Germans). Both sides are depicted as racists against Jews, one of the main characters is Jewish and a member of the resistance.

Anyway, some of the ads for the show had some Nazi imagery and it was posted around New York City. Well, apparently, the legacy governor of New York didn’t like it so, it had to come down, according to Associated Press;

The agency also initially defended the ads, saying they met its guidelines.

But many public officials condemned them. Mayor Bill de Blasio called them “irresponsible and offensive.”

Officials confirmed Wednesday that Gov. Andrew Cuomo ordered them removed.

I binge-watched the ten episodes currently on Amazon. It’s really pretty good. But I didn’t come away hating Jews or blacks or anyone else. I thought it was an interesting and imaginative story. But it was fiction. The Nazis were bad, the Japanese were bad and they were still bad people in the movie. They celebrated VA Day (Victory in America Day) by greeting each other with “Sieg Heil” and throwing Nazi salutes. I still didn’t like Nazis, and it didn’t make me a racist. While I was watching the show for ten hours, I wished all of the characters who were Nazis would get killed – pretty much the same way I’ve always felt.

I was, however, offended by “The Motorcycle Diaries” about a carefree spirit, Che Guevara and his journey though his youth knowing that he was going to become a lying, murdering thief, but Hollywood romanticized him. Know what I did? I didn’t watch the movie. I ignored the movie posters and the ads that flashed on my computer screen and on my commute. Soderbergh’s “Che” absolutely insulted my intelligence, but I just paid the thing no attention. But I don’t remember anyone calling for ads to be removed from the public’s view.

A little real-life lesson; the American Communists and Socialists supported Nazi Germany and urged the US to stay out of the war; well, until Hitler touched off Operation Barbarossa against the Soviet Union. Then they campaigned hard for the US to help the Allies.

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Ex-PH2

Now wait a minute, Jonn. You’re rubbing their little noses in history which they’ve conveniently forgotten. This will not do.

The alternate history universe stories are usually well done, but I never know if the writers are simply exercising their speculative muscles or sending us a warning.

Tequila

I got suckered into binge watching the show so I will give a warning without trying to spoil it for other suckers. For 9 hours and 55 minutes it was pretty good although it really didn’t explain how it was America came to be occupied. Unless you want to wind up angry, frustrated and tempted to destroy your tv however do not watch the final 5 minutes. Just don’t. If Amazon wants to try alternate history stories may I recommend doing something from Harry Turtledove instead.

OlafTheTanker

“For 9 hours and 55 minutes it was pretty good although it really didn’t explain how it was America came to be occupied.”

Except for the part where they said Roosevelt was assassinated in ’33 then the Nazi’s dropped an H-bomb on DC, and the US surrendered and the Axis carved up both coasts..

The irony that Japan was technologically stunted vs. Germany’s abilities was not lost on me due to the fact in that timeline, the US did not post-war rebuild Japan.

The final reveal of the meaning behind series/book’s title at the end was one of the few surprises in the whole series, but I’m still a bit lost on the whole Trade Minister’s part in the very final scene fading to black, is this a whole “Who shot JR” thing, or more of a “Tommy from St. Elsewhere” thing?

Ex-PH2

Roosevelt contracted polio in 1921. Why didn’t the writer of that alternate history take that into account? Did he not know about it, or did he just ignore it?

Mr. Blue

It’s Philip K. “Take Meth Until the Space Angel Shoots Knowledge Lasers Into My Head So I Can Write” Dick.
That boy just wasn’t right- sadly, he died a few decades ago (see the take Meth thing above).

Then again, he’s the writer behind “Blade Runner”, “Total Recall”, “Minority Report”, “Paycheck”, “The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind”, “A Scanner Darkly”, and a half dozen other films.

Silentium Est Aureum

Keep in mind that FDR was (probably) the intended target of an assassination attempt just before he took office in 1933.

So yeah, not much of a stretch there.

Ex-PH2

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

Ex-PH2

Okay, now you’ve got me. I don’t have a TV and I’m not going to pay for Amazon online TV, so what happens in the last 5 minutes?

C’mon – spill.

Andy11M
Ex-PH2

Oh, nuts! I thought it was some sort of Cubby Broccoli explosion setup, not someone waking up from an acid trip before LSD was so widely spread.

I do find the alternate history thing to be intriguing. The discussion in physics revolving around multiple universes versus a single universe offer all sorts of possibilities. I will have to get a copy of Greg Matloff’s ‘Starlight, Starbright’ next year.

World invention is a hoot.

The Other Whitey

Turtledove’s TL191 series was pretty good. They could make a pretty decent HBO series out of it, though it would have to be bigger than “Game of Thrones.”

Another good alt-history writer is Robert Conroy. I’ve read a couple of his books. “1901” is about Kaiser Wilhelm II ordering an invasion of New York and New England, following their real-life Winterarbeit Plan. “1942” deals with the Japanese following up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the Hawaiian Islands (including an epic last stand by the already-crippled USS Pennsylvania, which finally has to be taken down by HIMS Yamato), the guerilla campaign against them, and a US counteroffensive. Both novels feature lots of historical figures like both Roosevelts, Nimitz, Yamamoto, Joe Rochefort, Leonard Wood, and Kaiser Bill himself in detailed and plausible scenarios.

Personally, I’d really like to see a show made from Taylor Anderson’s “Destroyermen” series, though that’s more alternate universes than alternate history. CGI has made it easy to visually recreate a Wickes-class destroyer and make non-human characters believable, but the biggest challenge to that would be finding an actor who could do justice to GM2 Dennis Silva.

Twist

I liked S. M. Stirling’s work until he started spending more time describing things like the types of buttons on people’s jackets in later books. I really enjoyed “Dies in the Fire”. It’s about how some event knocks out all technology in the world and the human race now has to rely on pioneer/medieval technology.

Mr. Blue

Another good one- Stewart Slade’s “The Big One”. Basically, England surrenders in 1940… it’s now 1947, and LeMay is getting ready to send about 2000 B-36s to nuke Germany.
Lots of ‘airwar porn’, both from the USAF and the USN.

Perry Gaskill

I haven’t worked my way up to the alt-history stuff yet. I’m still on the actual history stuff. Sort of like training wheels…

oldbull11c

I do both. Reading alternate histories, along with being entertaining, exposes the gaps in my knowledge of actual history

B Woodman

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading through “What If”, a series of articles, that were originally compiled into two books, then one book. It realistically postulates through major and minor points of history, telling the original history, then “What If-ing” through some small change that would have made a major change in the future outcome.

What If Jesus had not been crucified?
What if the potato had not come to Europe?

Ex-PH2

What if the Romans hadn’t used lead for their dinnerware and eaten and drunk from it?

What if the Plague hadn’t swept Europe even once, never mind 3 times?

What if Robespierre’s rampage had been stopped before it began?

Ex-PH2

I left out my favorite ‘what ifs’.

What if Napoleon had not been defeated by the Russian winter, which did more damage than the Russian army?

Or what if, after he escaped from Elba, he hadn’t been suffering from a chronic illness that impaired his judgment just slightly?

What if the officers and men of the 52nd Regiment had not been turned back twice by bad weather, thus failing to join their fellow Brits invading America, and had NOT ended up in the Low Countries (the Netherlands), facing Napoleon instead?

There are so many stories here, that a mere revisionist Nazi/Jap takeover kind of pales by comparison.

Mr. Blue

What if Prince Crown Frederick of Germany had gone ahead with his surgery and survived to rule for 5-10 years instead of a month? Thus, Bismark has another 5+ years to shape Germany’s foreign policy, and Wilhelm II a few more years to mature before taking the throne.

streetsweeper

Yep! The rat, commie bastids get all kinds of worked up when you throw that bit of history at ’em. And Guevara, too…heh.

The Other Whitey

Yeah, they don’t like it when you remind them that naziism was just a particular breed of socialism. I’ve often been called an idiot by Lars’s ilk for citing that fact, but I generally reply by offering some analysis of nazi policies, especially their healthcare, education, and economic ones, and the fact that commies could be awfully racist too. When they ask me to explain why the nazis and commies fought eachother (when they weren’t teaming up to invade somebody else), I counter with the shi’ite/sunni example, and how worshipping the same religion rarely seems to make them not want to kill eachother.

Hitler and Stalin weren’t quite identical, but they were a whole lot more similar than most leftists want to believe or admit.

The Other Whitey

They also really hate it when you remind them that The Glorious El Che was an outspoken racist who liked to shoot kids.

68W58

Yep! The rat, commie bastids get all kinds of worked up when you throw that bit of history at ’em. And Guevara, too…heh.

But, you know, they are apparently “triggered” by the fact that buildings at Princeton are named for Woodrow Wilson* and so the school should remove any mention of him to avoid offending any of them.

*I mean, I pretty much think he is a rat bastard as well, but for entirely different reasons than the snowflakes, and they do seem to admire other-more murderous-rat bastards with no problems whatsoever though.

Just An Old Dog

The entire thing came about because they decked out the inside of a Subway car with ads for the show. I mean the entire car was covered with it, They weren’t even nazi symbols,just a artists redition of what he US flag would look like under Nazi Rule.

C2Show

Yep, some girl went on twitter and took this pretty serious. Yeah it was pretty fictional and she was acting as if this was done by random people who wanted a ‘Nazi America’.

Funny, nobody complained about small campaign in NY when they were promoting Iron Sky film at one time.

The Other Whitey

That one was okay because it made fun of conservatives and the fictional president was supposed to be an excessively negative caricature of Sarah Palin. Didn’t you know about that rule?

C2Show

Haha excellent point! They are making a sequel to that movie somehow. Palin is now working with Hitler in the Subterranean Underworld.

Twist

There is a book out there called “Fatherland” I believe. In it Germany defeats the Soviet Union, and the United States beat Japan and it ended up a Cold War between Germany and the U.S.

Green Thumb

I am surprised Lars has not weighed into this conversation yet.

L. Taylor

Green Thumb

You are timely. I will give you that!

Ex-PH2

GT, I respect you, but MUST you invoke the carp?

I am out of corn and my fish shocker has dead batteries.

SFC D

Wisest thing you’ve written in months.

L. Taylor

1. The ads were stupid in their lack of awareness of how the symbol is perceived by the Jewish community.

2. The negative public response was likely going to cause Amazon and partner companies to pull the ads soon enough.

3. It is not OK for government officials (or former officials) to “ban” advertising. Cuomo’s order was unconstitutional and if Amazon wanted they could have fought and won the right to keep the ads up, though Amazon likely simply just complied with Cuomo’s “order” because they were going to do it anyway.

Silentium Est Aureum

Or maybe Cuomo could just STFU for once in his life.

If you’re offended by a flag or a symbol, you’re a weak pussy. Banning it doesn’t make the thought or the evil that created it go away.

L. Taylor

Didn’t read my post did you fuck-stick?

3. It is not OK for government officials (or former officials) to “ban” advertising. Cuomo’s order was unconstitutional and if Amazon wanted they could have fought and won the right to keep the ads up, though Amazon likely simply just complied with Cuomo’s “order” because they were going to do it anyway.

Silentium Est Aureum

Fuck stick, eh? I expected more from the high and mighty mental masturbation circle formerly known as UC Berkeley. You’re paying $40k/year for that skill set development?

Get your money back, quickly. Hard to repay all those student loans selling oranges on a freeway off-ramp.

A Proud Infidel®™

I see it as Cuomo saying “Sieg heil Political Correctness” to kiss up to his base.

C2Show

Already been pulled I believe. At this point, they are just carrying on with making a stink about this.

L. Taylor

This article is 3 days old. Click bait at this point. I am not sure people are carrying on. I think people generally have already moved on.

It was a poor PR choice for an ad campaign, though given the premise of the show trying to use a campaign that gives the impression of an Nazi occupation of New York makes sense. It was just a poor decision from a PR standpoint.

Though it probably increased awareness of the show due to the controversy.

I think using the Japanese and Nazi American occupation flags would have been a better choice.

Oh, and my comment below about the responses was not directed at your response.

C2Show

Disagree with that, like I said, nobody made a big fuss about Iron Sky when it was being promoted for screening in NYC. Man in the High Castle is clearly a work of fiction. Its a show for crying out loud. Anyone who takes it seriously really need to stop and think. Funny, I don’t recall anyone crying about “Banned in Britian” ads in NY. Or even Amerikans ads that use to be in NYC.

I don’t think its really meant to be taken that serious. Fictional flags and artwork.

L. Taylor

I think the issue is that most people had no idea it was a TV show.

The Iron sky advertisements had no prominent nazi imagery. It is no different than any WWI movie poster showing Nazi soldiers as part of the advertising for the movie.

The Americans ads has no symbolic imagery other than the color red and an art style that invoked cold war propaganda.

I do not think the Man in High Castle ads were offensive. I think they were just stupid in their lack of predicting the likely hood that they would be perceived as offensive.

Or maybe they knew damn well they would be thought to be offensive and banked on the controversy.

I like the show, I think he ad campaign generally made sense in the context of the premise of the show, I just think it was a PR mistake.

Most of the ads did not use the Swastika. In fact I have yet to find one that did.

Ex-PH2

God, you’re so consisitently stupid! You can’t even get world wars right!

The Nazis FOLLOWED World War I. They STARTED WORLD WAR II.

Quit making excuses for being a dumbass and fuck off!

L. Taylor

it was at typo.

The Other Whitey

Sure it was.

L. Taylor

The context makes it obvious.

And the fact that PH2 could not tell it was a typo by context says more about her than anything else.

Ex-PH2

Yes, it is NEVER the fault of Lars the INfallable Carp that he does not proofread his own carp crap, is it?
Most of us DO acknowledge our typos and we say so, but then, we’re grown-up people with a sense of responsibility.
I have a sticky keyboard. I type faster than my keyboard can keep up with me, so the keys sometimes don’t register. I’ll replace the keyboard in February, but meantime, I have to remember to PROOFREAD MY OWN COPY and try to MAKE CORRECTIONS BEFORE I HIT ‘POST’.
That’s what grownups do.

L. Taylor

I rarely proofread my posts. Deal with it. Typos and all. If you don’t like it don’t fucking read them.

You never have anything of value to add anyway.

Hondo

I rarely proofread my posts. Deal with it.

Translation: “I’m too lazy to ensure that what I wrote actually says what I meant. I’ll just throw a few words up, then play the ‘disability’ card if someone calls me out on the fact that what I said makes no sense. That should cover up the fact that I’m just a lazy schmuck.”

Poetroper

“I do not think the Man in High Castle ads were offensive. I think they were just stupid in their lack of predicting the likely hood that they would be perceived as offensive.”

Actually just the opposite could be true; the ads may have been very clever in that the advertisers only had to shell out the bucks for a small, focused campaign in New York City to get all the national exposure they have. If you want to stir up a controversy among politically influential Jews who have a politically compliant governor in their pocket, where’s a better place than New York City to do just that?

I think I’d call the advertisers pretty clever, Lars.

Oh, and BTW, it’s likelihood not likely hood, Mr. Berkeley Grad. And that’s not a typo.

L. Taylor

I have a disability that causes me to substitute words or phrases that sound similar or have similar functions. I also substitute opposites.

I rarely proof read my posts so most slip through.

Ex-PH2

And THERE IT IS.

The carp has spoken crap again.

Such consistency! Such lack of character! Such hoohah!

This is the kind of movie script that would bore Bozo the Clown into a coma.

C2Show

Beg to differ Mr. Taylor…Iron Sky poster pretty much said “Nazis are coming” along with Nazi imagery on it along with people in SS uniforms.

I find it hard to believe though that people didn’t know it was an advertisement. Its not like someone just got on subway when others were not on it and painted the seats and sides of the train with American flag with Nazi stuff on it.

L. Taylor

Let’s just agree to disagree on this. We are essentially on the opposing sides of a court case that looks like it will never happen.

The Other Whitey

Fuck off, Lars.

L. Taylor

Good morning, asshole.

The Other Whitey

You just love proving me right, don’t you? I reward assholery in kind. You started it.

69W58

Lars-while you are correct that Cuomo should not have acted as he did, his actions were likely not “unconstitutional”. So called “commercial” speech does not enjoy the same constitutional protections as do other types of speech.

L. Taylor

Yes, but it is still protected by the 1st amendment. I know that seems counterintuitive but it is.

Much like a soldier’s speech. A soldier has 1st amendment protections to his speech but a soldier does not enjoy the same constitutional protections as the general population.

Cuomo’s order was almost certainly unconstitutional given the nature of the advertising. Google the “Man in High Castle” ads and look at google images. I cannot find a single ad that would violate community norms or a single ad that could be argued to be “deceptive” or misleading to consumers.

68W58

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commercial_speech

“Commercial speech that is false or misleading can be banned entirely”. But that’s not what Cuomo did here and I don’t think this is the argument he would make He just ordered it removed from the subway, there were still other venues where the show could be advertised. The state might argue that they removed the ads due to the “community standards” provision, and I think they would be wrong to do so, but I do not think that the Governor’s actions here were so clearly unconstitutional as you assert.

L. Taylor

OK. I really do not think the trend in court precedent is more limiting to commercial speech than the past and I cannot find a single example of a Man in High Castle ad that would have violated any contemporary community standards. I can’t even find an example of a swastika being used despite it prominence in the show itself.

The image in the blog post is deceptive, that image appears to be from the show, not an ad.

If that image was an ad I would agree that the city could argue that it violated community standards.

A Proud Infidel®™

You’re the type that screeches about being offended whenever something on Government property resembles anything Christian but I bet you’re one of those that defends porn as “First Amendment Free Expression”, ditto with those that disrespect our flag in their attention whoring!

L. Taylor

Nothing I said in my post was unreasonable.

The responses just prove how pointless it is to bother to debate with some of the idiots on this board.

It does not matter what I say they are still going to act like ignorant asshats.

C2Show

Pretty sure some responded to you just fine, champ.

L. Taylor

I posted that I did not intend my response to be directed at you, above.

Ex-PH2

Then why do you keep coming back here, you addict? No one is forcing you to show up here.
You show up, get your underoos in a wad because people don’t just swallow your BS without questioning you about it, bitch and moan about how you can’t debate and no one will let you win, threaten to leave, AND THEN YOU SHOW UP ALL OVER AGAIN.

You’re an attention addict. Get some professional help with your problem.

L. Taylor

I actually would prefer if people did not respond to my posts.

That is why I am increasingly ignoring the responses.

C2Show

haha…There is a reason that comments exist with a “reply” button under it.

L. Taylor

I am not saying that I do not think people should be able to respond.

Only that I prefer when I do not get a response.

The people that compulsively respond to my posts tend to be assholes most of the time. Waste of time to discuss anything with them.

Pretty tired of the asshattery.

MrBill

Then go away, and find yourself a forum where you receive a friendlier reception – if there is one.

Ex-PH2

We keep telling him to start his own blog, Mr. Bill, but that’s too hard. He wouldn’t get enough attention, and he couldn’t post anything if the cybercafe is closed for a holiday.
Did anyone notice the complete lack of the trout-sniffing carp yesterday? How peaceful it was!

L. Taylor

Stop paying attention to me. Problem solved.

Hondo

Stop correcting demonstrable idiocy? Hardly.

Stupid statements and arguments deserve ridicule.

SFC D

Stop jerking off in public and no one will pay attention. Problem solved.

A Proud Infidel®™

Lars won’t start his own blog because his Mommy said NO.

Richard

So you could instruct us and we, the great unwashed, would just take notes and not ask questions.

I can see the appeal in that. You never have to doubt your own wisdom or face your own contradictions. And in the electronic universe, reality never intrudes. Sweet.

L. Taylor

I don’t mind a discussion.

However, the responses are rarely intended to initiate a discussion. And even when they are any time I attempt to have a discussion with someone the thread gets inundated with assholes also posting and demanding responses to their asshattery.

Just not worth the time.

No longer have much patience for it.

HMCS (FMF) ret.

LEAVE ME ALONE!!! I’m holding a “The Crying Game” marathon with my fellow feminists in the dorm!!!!

L. Taylor

I truly can’t wait to meet one of you fucks in person.

The Other Whitey

I’m easy to find, Lars.

http://youtu.be/bQVsyvuij20

A Proud Infidel®™

YEAH, RIGHT! You’d probably act like Bernath the Fred Phelps clone did when the Shipleys showed up to call him on his bullshit!

Dave Hardin

102 Miles Ridge Road, Madison Indiana, 47250

If you meant that as any kind of a threat whatsoever to the safety of anyone that posts on this site, your best bet would be to come for me first.

You don’t start no shit, there won’t be none.

Silentium Est Aureum

Watch out everybody, we got us a badass here!

Ex-PH2

Damn, Hardin, you are really one hot tamale!

Do I need to bring a s**rd to this meetup?

L. Taylor

This is an example of the kind of responses I get every single day, and damn near every single post I make.

Is there a point in having a discussion with dips hits like this? And since this moron jumps in every thread I post it is impossible to have a conversation with one of the few reasonable people the board with also dealing with this kind of asshattery.

So, I stand by most post. I prefer when I do not get a response at all.

“A Proud Infidel®™ says:
November 3, 2015 at 3:55 pm
OOOHHH here you go again little Pinkie Larsie-parsie! Pooh yes, according to you, EVERYONE should have the same opportunity regardless, right? So according to you, a blind Soldier should be given the chance to be a Bus Driver so’s not to hurt his or her pwecious feewings, right, ‘lil Rudy-poo? DAMMMIT BOY, get some real life experience, better yet some common sense, my little cotton candy-assed creampuff! The Army allowed women into the 12C MOS which requires a LOT of heavy lifting, thus making extra work for Male Personnel when their bodies give out. Maybe one day you’ll quit being such a thin-skinned fart monkey, but I’m not holding my breath. Maybe you got abducted by a UFO and they anal probed you so hard it gave you brain damage? That or your Mommy gave you one too many enemas and it washed too much of your brain away!!”

The Other Whitey

You bring it on yourself, Lars. When you stick your hand in the fire, nobody feels sorry for your burns (metaphorically speaking, obviously).

L. Taylor

Look at my first post, and the idiocy that ensued.

I brought that on?

You shitheads need to take responsibility for your own idiocy.

The Other Whitey

You first. I tried being reasonable with you, and you declared me a “fuckwit troll,” which wasn’t the first time you’ve personally insulted me. This after I’ve been one of the few to give you credit when you’ve made a good point. Thus, I won’t be doing that anymore.

You’re an asshole. Fuck off and die.

L. Taylor

Oh, and I never said anything even remotely close to arguing that a blind soldier should be able to be a driver.

I said women should be allowed to hold any job for which they can meet the standards required for the job and as long as the standards reflect the actual requirements to do the job.

Then I get an idiotic response like Infidel’s.

Damn near every time I post idiocy ensues.

Ex-PH2

Quit changing the subject, moron. You are too far out of line to recover. You lose.

L. Taylor

fuck off.

The Other Whitey

You first.

Ex-PH2

No, YOU fuck off.

the Al

You keep saying your done here, and yet you keep coming back to make yourself look even more foolish- why do this to yourself?

The Other Whitey

Then start your own blog with the comments section closed, asshole. Do you even realize how little sense you just made? Besides the fact that you once again proved me right.

L. Taylor

I expressed a preference, And given the absolute idiocy that gets posted in response to any of my posts then I think preferring not to see a response is a legitimate fucking preference.

The Other Whitey

You add plenty of your own idiocy, Lars. But like I said, after your horseshit yesterday, you’ll get no more civility from me. That’s your doing, not mine.

Silentium Est Aureum

Guess what, genius? Your comments do not exist in a vacuum. People WILL challenge your bullshit when you throw it out there. People WILL post a countering POV, especially when yours sucks.

You don’t like it when people reply to your posts? There’s the door, don’t let it hit you in the ass. The only way people don’t reply to your posts is if you don’t make any.

So how many times have you told us you were leaving? And why are you still here?

Ex-PH2

And as always, THE TROUT-SNIFFING CARP HAS HIJACKED ANOTHER THREAD FOR HIMSELF!!!

Damn, Taylor, you unbelievable moron, you are SO consistent I could set my watch by your asinine behavior – IF I even wore a watch any more, which I don’t.

Now watch this idjit say something about watches.

L. Taylor

fuck you. I posted a very reasonable comment and idiocy fucking issued.

MORONS like you hijacked this thread and turned it into something else.

You shits always claim I need to take responsibility for my posts.

Well maybe take you own advice, when you jump one of my posts and change the subject don’t fucking blame me for doing.

And when you turn a thread into a hijacked thread of bullshit don’t blame me for it.

You are a toxic fuckwad.

GDContractor

And another Brony’s head gets ripped off in an angry explosion of cheeto dust…
Poor Brony. Pretty, pretty Brony…

Ex-PH2

Cheeto dust! Holy cow!

Ex-PH2

No. YOU hijacked it. It is ALWAYS YOU. YOU change the subject; YOU send any thread off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the subject of the post; YOU get your undies up your butt when people do not concur with you; YOU bring that mockery on yourself.

YOU DO THAT. The entire responsibility for it lies on YOUR shoulders.

IIRC, YOU are the dink who said he had tried to school those people over at DU and was booted for it. If that does not make YOU the most arrogant ass on the planet, then what does?

YOU say, repeatedly ‘I’m done with this. I’m not coming back. I’ve had it.’ And then YOU break your word, YOU come right back and YOU get butt hurt because you get backlash for making shit comments just for the sake of it, just to get attention and nothing else.

YOU are an attention whore and a spotlight addict. Get some help with your problem. Don’t blame anyone else for it.

L. Taylor

bullshit you lying dirtbag.

The timeline of the thread speaks for itself.

A Proud Infidel®™

Larsie-pinky-puddin’-tame, this is for you:

Ex-PH2

OH, yeah – while I’m at it, START YOUR OWN DAMN BLOG, because there, no one will be allowed to disagree with you.

L. Taylor

I said I prefer when I do not get a response because the responses are mostly just asshat responses.

That is not the same as wanting to prevent responses.

Why do you even respond to my posts? What are you trying to accomplish?

I could not possibly think less of you than I already do, or have less respect for you.

So what possible result do you think will happen from continuing to respond to my posts?

A Proud Infidel®™

You are ONE thin-skinned little attention-craving little DWEEB! Do you tell your Mommy on us as well?

L. Taylor

Also, I do not need to start my own blog to find one without a hive mind of idiots like you.

There are plenty of them.

This blog is an extreme outlier right wing enclave that absolutely does not reflect the veteran community.

In fact I had a former veteran message me on Facebook that they don’t even bother reading this blog anymore because of all the right wing bullshit rhetoric and lack of objectivity.

Many of the opinions on this board are an embarrassment to the veteran community. Particularly all the sexist hate for women in combat arms or gays in the military.

MrBill

So why associate yourself with “an extreme outlier right wing enclave”? Just go away, and let us extremists plan our nefarious plots in peace.

Hondo

He can’t, MrBill. He has a deep psychological need to come here and repeatedly attempt to prove his so-called “superiority”.

Well, either that or he’s a not-so-bright masochist that enjoys being verbally abused. His commentary here tends to support this latter thesis IMO.

Or maybe it’s both. Perhaps he’s actually a masochist, but is very smart – and is intentionally posting half-assed comments to get an abusive response.

In any case, his comments here IMO are demonstrably half-assed, and deserve the scorn they receive.

GDContractor

I like how dips hit always says, “TAH doesn’t represent the veteran community” and then follows it up with “I got a message from one veteran…”. Key word being: “ONE”. All I can say is, what an idiot. Poor Bronys.

L. Taylor

I know a lot of veterans. And only one has ever expressed an opinion as idiotic as the ones expressed on this board.

I strongly suspect a few on this board are posers with little or no honorable service.

A Proud Infidel®™

Lars is 100% Brony.

A Proud Infidel®™

Larsie-pinky, the vast majority of the TAH Regulars are Vets who have deployed overseas and a fair share of them have also become quite successful in the private sector, myself included, something I’m sure you’ve never done.

MrBill

I think you’re right, Hondo. He reminds me of the child who intentionally acts up in order to get a rise out of his parents. While most rational people prefer not to be yelled at, for some folks negative attention is better than no attention at all.

Twist

“know a lot of veterans. And only one has ever expressed an opinion as idiotic as the ones expressed on this board. ”

Translation: I know a lot of veterans that think exactly like I do and don’t give dissenting opinions.

Ex-PH2

So that ‘veteran’ was someone from VVAW or from IVAW?

Ex-PH2

This is Commissar. Listen carefully.

https://youtu.be/88Lsv1JBPSE

Bernie Hackett

The one and only issue is control. “They” will decide what is or isn’t accepted. The goodwhites know what is correct, and they just want to help us see the light, what with us’ns being all twisted, bigoted, and e-vile, and stuff.
Then, we can all march in lockstep, singing whatever dumbass song they recommend this week, into the bright rainbow, unicorn multicutlural future. Sound familiar?
Nah!
I’m gonna go take my meds and look at that cornfederate flag. Onward and upward, y’all!

Ex-PH2

Bernie, they can’t control you if you don’t let them. This is NOT 1984, no matter what Orwell predicted.

bernie Hackett

Agreed, and thanks! Friggin’ hippies!

Bernie Hackett

Other than Turtledove’s alternate history series (there’s a couple)(spoiler: South wins one civil war. loses another) for “The Nazis are here” may I recommend Newt Gingrich(!) and William Foerschens. 1945. I don’t want to spoil it, but them Nazis are doing what they do, and there are appearances by all sorts of folks, including that sweetheart, Scarface Skorzeny.
There used to be a used book store in my neighborhood, and the owner had a shelf titled “The Nazis are coming back”. We had a good chuckle about that. And before TSA, even.

The Other Whitey

Skorzeny could almost be a real-life action hero if it wasn’t for that part where he was a true-believing nazi fuck.

bernie Hackett

And the TV ads would be classic!

“Be the first kid on your block to have the (ahem) Otto Skozeny action figure. Comes with leather greatcoat, dog whip, sturmgehwehr…”

For about 3 seconds, and then the hysteria would be unbelievable.

Liberals would lose control of their bodily functions.

Ex-PH2

Katherine Kurtz wrote ‘Lammas Night’, an alternative history in which pagans and practising witches banded together to keep the Nazis out of Britain.

I think there are many authors who address alternative histories. Tom Kratman uses the vehicle of reviving senescent SS officers in one of his novels.

You guys need to widen your horizons, and stop throwing corn into the water.

Twist

I wrote earlier about S.M. Stirling whose earlier work was pretty darn good. One is “Dies in the Fire” where all technology in the world ceases to function in modern times and “Island in the Sea of Time” in which Nantucket is transported back to 5,000 B.C. with all their technology.

Ex-PH2

I like using time travel as a means of speculating on what the world will be like in 350 years and 15,000 years from now. And what if a colonized world loses its only source of income and technology through proscription by an edict?

GDContractor

So. Banning Nazi imagery = not good. Banning Christian imagery = good. Did I get it right?
// don’t have much UC Berzerkly playbook handy.

2/17 Air Cav

Uh-oh.

GDContractor

I tried… cold turkey. It’s harsh, man.

A Proud Infidel®™

Maybe it’s like the one they use at Mizzou: bawl, piss and moan until someone caves.

Hondo

Yeah, that’s kinda what it looks like to me too.

Care to comment on that point, Taylor?

GDContractor

I hope he does. I know that there’s a traitor in there somewhere that needs to be called out. By banning Nazi imagery he’s playing right into their hand, making it easier for them to recruit and get donations, etc.

But on the other hand Hondo, isn’t there a basic human right to draw geometric figures composed of intersecting lines? Folks been doing it a long time….

L. Taylor

First,

I did not say banning Nazi imagery was good. I said the exact opposite.

Second,

I argued that Cuomo’s order was unnecessary and unconstitutional.

Third,

I never said we should ban Christian symbols. I said they should not be used in US army unit mottos or crests. Due to the fact the military is a secular institution of hundreds of faiths, it is a government body and there is a necessary separations of church and state, and because it is idiotic in the contemporary operating environment.

L. Taylor

oops, I misread you post.

I retract point 1 and 2.

3 still stands.

A Proud Infidel®™

BABBLE, babble,babble, babble, GIGGITY-giggity-goo!! THIS is what I see and hear every time you rant, my thin-skinned DWEEB of a candyassed creampuff:

Hondo

Logic ain’t exactly yer strong suit – is it, Taylor?

Third,

I never said we should ban Christian symbols. I said they should not be used in US army unit mottos or crests.

Two inconsistencies in the above when considered in the context of your other rather lengthy comments to this article and others on the subject. The first is the fact that you’ve repeatedly asserted that Christian symbols do not belong on military logos/nicknames/icons/etc . . . , and have supported (at least implicitly) their mandatory removal. However, in a policy context “should” means “allowed, but officially discouraged”. (I’d expect a self-proclaimed “policy wonk” such as yourself to know that.) Well, which is it? Are you admitting that the use of Christian symbols in such a context is permissible, or are you holding that they are impermissible? If the former, please explain the rest of your comments on the issue – which clearly indicate you believe they are not allowable.

Second: you claim, “I never said we should ban Christian symbols.”. However, you’ve repeatedly indicated you think that using such symbols on military logos/icons/symbols/unit mascots is wrong. Further, you seem to be calling for a policy forbidding such use of Christian symbols in this context – which is merely a ban by another name. Your position is thus at best unclear, and IMO appears to be logically confused (nothing new regarding your comments here; they’re often confused and lacking in substance).

Accordingly, please clarify your position on the issue. Do you support an Army policy forbidding the use of Christian symbols in unit crests, symbols, mascots, logos, icons, etc . . . ? A simple “yes” or “no” is sufficient; ten paragraphs of semantically-null bloviation designed to confuse the issue isn’t necessary.

If your answer is “yes”, isn’t such a policy a ban – something you claim above you never advocated and presumably do not now advocate? If your answer is “no” – then why are you raising hell over something you yourself admit is permissible?

L. Taylor

I find it completely inexcusable how you guys cannot get it through your thick heads that US army units SHOULD NOT BE USING CHRISTIAN SYMBOLS and Crusader imagery to represent them.

That is a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

It is also not constituent with the values of a secular military with service members of hundreds of faiths serving together for their country.

I despise liltle theocratic little shits like you.

Stop trying to turn our country’s military into you religious Army from God. Soldiers do not serve you, they do not serve you insane religious agenda, they do not serve Christianity. They serve the United States of America. A nation of thousands of faiths.

Ex-PH2

Oh, yeah? Tell me, you bloviating blowhole, who died and made you God?

L. Taylor

How about you own medicine? How about if you don’t like it why the fuck don’t you leave?

Separation of Church and state is a founding principle of our nation.

If you do not like it fucking move to a theocratic nation. Traitor piece of shit.

The US military is a secular institutions of thousands of faiths serving in defense of a secular nation of thousands of faiths.

“Crusader” refers to only one faith and represents warrior in service of their faith waring with other faiths in the name of God.

It is completely inappropriate for a US army unit to regard themselves as Christian crusaders. It is a violation of Army values, and it is a violation of the separation of church and state.

It is so fucking transparently obvious that using “crusader” is wrong it is sick that it had to even get to the point where the MRFF had to get involved – after soldiers complained.

Muslims have served in defense of our nation since the revolution.

And Crusader specifically represents and era of Christian war against Muslims. And, it turns out, other nonbelievers such as atheists and agnostics.

the Al

Please point out in the Constitution were the words “separation of church and state” appear

L. Taylor

I fucking despise Christian extremists like you as much as I despise Islamic extremists.

You are the same exact evil.

The same.

I want to see you wiped off the face of the planet just as I want to see ISIS wiped off the face of the planet.

But rather than join a militant group to wage you insane fucking religious war. You joined the US military and try to push your religious war agenda on our nation.

Fucking worthless traitors.

the Al

Nice ad hominem attack, but you have no proof I am a member of ANY religious group. Also, you never answered the queation, just went straight to personal attacks. If I were you, I’d consider asking your college for a refund

L. Taylor

The 1st Amendment. It does not use the words. But it is called the establishment clause because it is intended to separate church and state. We know that because Madison made it clear that is what he meant and wrote about the :total separation of the church from the State” several times.

You try to ignore that the 1st Amendment is intended to separate church from state with some pedantic argument about the fact that it did not use those exact words. The supreme court did, in ruling what the 1st Amendment intended.

And Madison, who drafted the constitution and the bill of rights, made it clear he meant a “total separation of the church from the State” several times. He frequently referred to the separation of church from government in his writings.

It was one of his most fundamental beliefs with respect to the nature of democracy. Which is why he put it FIRST. In the bill of rights.

How much patience do you have for people that claim that the constitution does not protect individual ownership of weapons? Just because it never used the world “individual” in the second amendment? Despite the fact that we have numerous writings of the era that makes it clear our founders saw weapon ownership as fundamental to maintaining a society free from government tyranny.

The difference is we actually have the person the WROTE the 1st Amendment SPECIFICALLY clarify what he meant. Several times.

It is duplicitous for you to play the “wear are the words ‘separation of church and state’ card when it well established and not up for historical debate what was meant in the 1st Amendment on that issue.

GDContractor

It was debated you jackass. That’s why scotus had to get involved. You’re such a fucking idiot.

Hondo

And an ignorant one at that – at least, when it comes to the 1st Amendment.

The First Amendment – along with the rest of the Bill of Rights – originally did NOT apply to states. Rather, those Constitutional Amendments applied solely to the Federal Goverment. This was held to be the case by the SCOTUS in Barron v. Baltimore (1833) – which specifically held that the Bill of Rights were restrictions on the Federal government only, and did not apply to state governments. That was reaffirmed in Cruikshank v. US (1875) – which occurred AFTER the adoption of the 14th Amendment.

It was not until Everson v. Board of Education (1947) that the First Amendment was held to be binding on state governments by the SCOTUS.

Thus, the First Amendment was NOT binding on state governments for the majority of our history – for approximately 160 years. Universal applicability of that Amendment is a relatively recent occurrence in US history.

I’ll be charitable and say I guess Taylor was merely ignorant of that history. Otherwise, he’s engaging in typical leftist mendacity by distorting the historical record to say what he wants it to say vice what it actually does.

Wikipedia’s article concerning the Incorporation of the Bill of Rights is a good one, and provides specifics for most of the above (along with verifiable citations).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

GDContractor

Then there’s that pesky fact that Madison was not in favor of there even being a bill if rights. He thought it was unnecessary and thought the language of the Constitution was sufficient.

Hondo

Taylor, Marshall’s opinion in Barron v. Baltimore stated that the entire Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal government. Last time I checked, the 1st Amendment was part of the Bill of Rights; ergo, Marshall said that it did not apply to the states. Are you now arguing that the 1st Amendment is NOT part of the Bill of Rights? My other point above was to point out your abysmal ignorance regarding the actual history of the 1st Amendment under US law. You hang your hat on “Madison’s opinion” about separation of Church and State (which it wasn’t; Jefferson originated the phrase “wall of separation between Church and State”, not Madison, and did so over 10 years after the Bill of Rights had become law) – yet conveniently forget that the principle wasn’t even universally legally binding on states for roughly 3/4 of our history. In fact, the SCOTUS held – twice – that the 1st Amendment did NOT apply to state governments. The SCOTUS did not reverse itself on that point until after World War II. Finally, the accepted intent of the Establishment Clause was NOT to create any “wall of separation between Church and State”. Rather, it was simply to prevent the establishment of a state religion. It traces to the concerns of the Virginia Baptists along those lines regarding ratification of the US Constitution (Baptists – as well as Puritans, Catholics, and others – had experienced discrimination under English rule as their religious principles and practices were contrary to those of the “official” Anglican Church). The Free Exercise Clause of the 1st Amendment which follows specifically forbids the Federal government from prohibiting the practice of any particular religion. Taken together, they (1) forbid the establishment of a legally-favored “national church”, and (2) to forbid the Federal government from outlawing the practice any specific religious faith. Or, in other words: the government was to treat all religions equally. That’s all. Since 1947, per the SCOTUS those 1st Amendment provisions have also applied to state governments as well. Sheesh. Are you actually a moron, or are you simply… Read more »

Ex-PH2

And he still does not provide a direct answer a direction question. Now why would he do that?

Aside from being an attention whore, he DOES NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.

A Proud Infidel®™

HERE YOU GO AGAIN, Larsie-pinky:

L. Taylor

We know what Madison meant when he drafted the 1st Amendment because he clarified it multiple times over the course of his life in writings.

He even used the words “separation of church and state”.

Idiot.

Hondo

Actually, while Madison drafted the Bill of Rights, he didn’t originate the ideas contained in most of that document. Rather, he cribbed much of it from George Mason – who wrote the Virgina Declaration of Rights in 1776, over a decade before Madison drafted the US Bill of Rights. In particular, he cribbed the concepts behind the 1st Amendment from that document.

Further, neither document actually says a damn thing about “separation of church and state”. That term was Jefferson’s – voiced in a private letter giving his interpretation of the First Amendment, and written over a decade after the Bill of Rights had been adopted.

What both documents (US Bill of Rights and Virginia Declaration of Rights) require is that all religions be treated equally, with no religious denomination being either favored/officially sanctioned or forbidden. Anything beyond that was created out of whole cloth by judicial fiat.

Ex-PH2
GDContractor

“Separation of Church and state is a founding principle of our nation.”

Then it’s a damn shame it didn’t get included in our Constitution.

L. Taylor

The first amendment.

Idiot.

And Madison made it clear in numerous writings after drafting the bill of rights that he EXPLICITLY MEANT A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Idiot that claim otherwise are just as bad as morons who claim the second amendment does not protect individual ownership.

It is duplicitous s nonsense in order to achieve their own personal political agenda.

But we know more about what Madison and our founders intended because Madison made is clear several times in subsequent years in his writings.

So if you think the establishment clause is not in the constitution you are an idiot.

GDContractor

The “establishment clause”? Oh, I thought we were arguing about the “separation of church and state” clause. You know, the clause that is part of or founding documents, you fucking moron.

Typical Commissar bullshit. Part of the “disability” Lars?

L. Taylor

Establishment clause refers to the separation principle. Moron.

And it is the 1st Amendment. Which is a founding document.

What the fuck are you even arguing at this point?

Are you arguing that the 1st Amendment did not intend a separation of church and state?

Because we know it does. BECAUSE MADISON FUCKING SAID SO.

GDContractor

Please point out where Madison fucking said that no rendition of a cross should be on any army insignia. Jackass. Moses is depicted on our own Supreme Court building, moron.

The other day you were spouting Jefferson….now Madison. Who you going to pin it on next?

Hondo

John Marshall would disagree with you. And did, in Barron v. Baltimore (1833) – when he held the entire Bill of Rights to be binding only on the Federal government, leaving states free to do what they wished in those areas.

L. Taylor

That decision no longer applies due to ruling in the last 150 years.

Today the constitution is the supreme law of the land and no state government can limit its protections.

But, with respect to the issue of establishing religious rule in the UNITED STATES or efforts to make the US military into a symbolic Christian crusader army the Barron vs Baltimore ruling is irrelevant. Because we are talking about the US government, not state governments, and we are talking about the US military not state militias.

Even the National Guard is considered a federal institution due to the dual oath of enlistments, funding, and formal establishment under congressional law.

Some state still have militias.

L. Taylor

Arguing that we are a Christian nation or that we should have a theocratic rule of law is no different than arguing that we should have Sharia law or a Islamic government rule.

It is unconstitutional and un-American.

L. Taylor

And Marshall would not disagree with me. Not at all. You Barron vs Baltimore reference does not even address the separation of church and state.

MrBill

You are the only one here talking about Christian Crusaders or that anyone thinks the US should be a theocracy. No one else here sees these things. And it’s not because you’re smarter than everyone else.

Hondo

Actually, dipstick, in Barron v. Baltimore Marshall held that the entire freaking Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal government – and that the states were thus not limited by its restrictions on governmental action.

You do remember that the First Amendment – and all you claim it says – is a part of the Bill of Rights, don’t you?

Imbecile.

Hondo

Indeed, please point out where Madison used the phrase “separation of Church and State”. I believe that was Jefferson, not Madison.

L. Taylor

Holy shit I despise little religious despots like you.

No integrity. Argue anything to suit your religious agenda.

Even ignoring the constitution when it is in the war of your agenda.

A Proud Infidel®™

Larsie-pinky, not only are you a thin-skinned DWEEB, you’re also intolerant and juvenile as well! YOU ARE the screeching zealot you accuse everyone else of being!!

L. Taylor

No, when someone advocates a religious theocracy they have crossed from religion to politicics and get no special courtesy with respect to their religious beliefs.

I would be a rabidly opposed to anyone that proposed a fascist government or a tyranny.

That is not zealotry, that is staunchly defending our nation and its constitution.

You act screech about the threat the Islam extremism but defend the threat of Christian extremism.

You are a hypocrite and a traitor.

Ex-PH2

Comme j’ai dit:

https://youtu.be/88Lsv1JBPSE

GDContractor

“Argue anything to suit your religious agenda.”

Memo to our resident S2 Occifer : Sir, it’s common knowledge around here that I self identify as an atheist. You neighbor’s labrador retriever is passing you bad intel. Either that, or you have a disability of some sort.

Twist

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Ex-PH2

Oh, my goodness. Not once have I said I belong to or subscribe to any denomination of any kind whatsoever. But if I don’t shout ‘I’M AN ATHEIST’ from the rooftops, that makes me an extreme rightwing Christian, as if no other form of spirituality exists on this planet.

I could be a Sophist, but I’m not.

I could be a Mormon, but I’m not.

I could be Taoist, Buddhist, Sikh, Hinduist, Tantrist, LSDist, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Catholic, Agnostic, 7th Day Adventist, Wiccan, Gaiaist, Druid – man, you name it, I could be anything at all.

I have NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING about my spiritual path, but because this prejudiced, foaming at the mouth, ideologist named Commissar does not know anything about me other than what he has (not really) picked up on these threads, he just assumes I’m some sort of right-wing extremist.

Well, I’m not. End of story.

Again, Taylor, you imbecilic egocentric waste of sperm, answer the question: who died and made you God that you think you have the right to dictate ANYTHING to ANYONE?

You are on such thin ice with this. If it cracks, you’d better be able to swim.

L. Taylor

Anyone that advocates or support turning our military or any unit within the military into Christian crusaders is a worthless religious extremist traitor.

A Proud Infidel®™

Babble,babble,babble. Larsie-pinky-puddin’-tame, I’m certain that you’re “that guy” that will run his mouth just to hear himself talk, o candyassed rudy-poo of a moldy creampuff! 😀

Twist

My last unit was the Centurions. I guess they were trying to turn our unit into a Pagan Theocracy bent on conquest of the Mediterranean Sea area.

68W58

Or to hunt down the last battlestar and wipe out the remnants of the human race.

Ex-PH2

And I have never said anything of the kind, Taylor.

That ALL comes from you and no one else.

Your paranoia’s showing now.

MrBill

Not only have you said nothing of the kind, no one on this board has ever said anything about turning the US military into Christina crusaders. The Christian Crusader in Commissar’s straw man that he keeps erecting.

Ex-PH2

And the carp sinks to the bottom of the icy pond.

Thank you, Mr. Bill.

Hondo

Yeah, and I suppose all those “civil rights crusaders” in the 1960s were Christians?

For Pete’s sake, Taylor – the term “crusader” became a secular term devoid of religious significance decades if not centuries ago. Why are you hell-bent on remaining fixated on an image from 800 years ago?

L. Taylor

Fuck the crusader culture in the US military.

Christian extremists are no better than ISIS.

Fucking traitors.

Ex-PH2

Right backatcha, pissant.

Want some corn?

A Proud Infidel®™

Ma’am, I think “Pinky” Lars is getting dependent on the corn you so generously provide him. HOW will he make it on his own after he’s become dependent on you? 😀

Ex-PH2

Dunno. Don’t care.

Kisses, DH.

Ex-PH2

OH, sorry – the “DH” was for the inimitable Dave Hardin, a professed atheist and incorrigible flirt.

Sorry, API.

Dave Hardin

I miss you too. Try not to hurt the kid.

Jonn might get jealous if we kiss in public.

jonp

Funny but where are those christian extremist videos beheading people, crucifying children, gang raping 8 yr old girls and generaly fucking goats and camels? Can’t seem to find any.

GDContractor

“I despise liltle theocratic little shits like you.”

To whom are you speaking? If you are role playing with one of your Bronys, I will ignore it.

L. Taylor

Anyone that supports removing the separation of church and state. Or advocates making the US a “christian nation”, or tries to turn the US military in a a Christian crusader army…

all a traitor pieces of shit theocrats.

Fuck them all.

EXACT SAME PEOPLE AS ISIS, just use a different religion as justification.

GDContractor

Okay… as I thought … Brony role play. Carry on Lars.

A Proud Infidel®™

How many times a day do you kick and throw your stuffed animals across the room before you spout off yet again, Pinky?

Ex-PH2

The trout-sniffer yaps, and this is what I hear:

https://youtu.be/88Lsv1JBPSE

A Proud Infidel®™

THIS is what I picture every time that thin-skinned DWEEB of a candyassed creampuff runs his yap:

A Proud Infidel®™

Or this:

Twist

Separation of church and State, right? So when do you start your crusade (oops I used a bad word) against the 504th PIR to remove the devil off of everything? After all Satanism is a religion and this is all about separation of church and State, right?

jonp

uh…there is no “separation of church and state” in the Constitution and I can’t find any Government entities in the US forcing people to go to church. As for being a Christian nation I hate to break it to you buckwheat but it was founded as such and still is majority christian.

Silentium Est Aureum

So again, please point me to this “separation of church and state” bit.

I’ve never threatened to leave in a huff, so you know I’ll eagerly await your reply. Then again, you’ve yet to answer the question the several other places I’ve posed it, so it won’t be that eagerly, nor will I hold my breath.

Poetrooper

Lars says, “Damn near every time I post idiocy ensues.”

Son, do you realize how laughably true that is?

Just not in the way you meant…

Hondo

No, PT – he truly doesn’t realize how laughably true that is. Someone will have to explain it to him.

Be my guest.

GDContractor

Believe it or not, he has a disability. So I’ve heard.

Ex-PH2

I don’t believe that having your head firmly stuck up your own ass is considered to be a real disability.

MrBill

Based on his writings on this board, I believe that his disability might be a personality disorder of some kind. (Disclaimer: this is just my opinion as a layperson, I am not a psychologist.)

Ex-PH2

Mr. Bill, it could be Immature Egocentric Obsession coupled with Paranoia in Extremis.

A Proud Infidel®™

I DON’T think that’s possible, “Pinky” Lars is severely allergic to truth, common sense and logic!

Ex-PH2

So, Poetrooper, we’re now a convocation of phonies and faux soldats.

Comme au poisson:
‘I strongly suspect a few on this board are posers with little or no honorable service.’

Oh, the howling! The weeeping! The wailing! The gnashing of teeth from the outer darkness! Geez, it took the trout-sniffing carp all these months to get to that accusatory state, too.

I sent my stuff off to our Glorious Leader a long time ago, so that he could dig up trash about me any time he wanted to.

I think most of us are clear of guilt on this accusation, don’t you?

A Proud Infidel®™

I FIRMLY stand by my hypothesis that IF “Pinky” Lars ever served he was “that guy” that Retention NCO’s and Officers would look at and say “OH HELL NO! Let him get the hell out!”.

Ex-PH2

If the full moon ever rose above the foothills of the Hindu Kush or the Foh-i-Baba, this is what Lars was doing.

https://youtu.be/88Lsv1JBPSE

Hondo

As soon as I saw this post had gone from <10 to nearly 90 comments in the space of around 4 hours, I was pretty sure I knew why.

So I looked, and confirmed my suspicion.

Taylor, there's an old saying that IMO is quite apropos for you. “When one guy says you’re a jackass, that’s just his opinion. But when everybody says you’re a jackass, you should go get fitted for a saddle.”

You are one of the few people I’ve known that could p!ss off a lamp post. Without trying very hard.

A Proud Infidel®™

He’s one VERY annoying thin-skinned attention-craving DWEEB!

L. Taylor

yet you can;t help but follow me around an post in every single post I make.

Like a shitty little yapping fucking rat sized dog.

Hondo

Your inane comments are entertaining, Taylor. They provide comic relief from real life.

Deconstructing the idiocy contained therein also provides a way to work off pent-up frustrations.

GDContractor

About like shooting fish in a barrel.

the Al

It’s less “shooting fish in a barrel” and more “dropping a tactical nuke on a bucket of minnows”

A Proud Infidel®™

Larsie-pinky, I WIN AGAIN o candyassed little thin-skinned attention-craving DWEEB! The vast majority of the TAH Regulars are Vets who have been deployed at one time or another, a fair share of whom are Combat Vets, ones who kept their head on and shot back when the SHTF, one thing YOU’RE NOT. Most of them have also been successful in the outside world, business owners, blue collar Professionals like me (AND I bet I make more money than you! 😀 ), people who have BTDT in many areas you haven’t, happy sniveling! I look at you and your rants and think that you would NOT be able to make it in the outside world like many of us have, I see a future for you as a Government bureaucrat!

Ex-PH2

Paranoia’s showing again. Better take a hitch in that.

Hondo

Paranoia? Hmm. Maybe.

For you, Taylor.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

Ex-PH2

Hondo, please! Spew alert, for pity’s sake!

Ex-PH2

Seriously, Hondo: You are one of the few people I’ve known that could p!ss off a lamp post.

That is a classic. May I borrow that?

Hondo

Certainly – but I can’t take credit for originating the phrase. The late Sidney B. Berry, LTG USA (Ret) and former Mississippi Commissioner of Public Safety, was the first person I ever heard use the phrase “p!ss off a lamp post”. Not sure if he originated the phrase or not – I think he said it was an old phrase from his upbringing in Mississippi, but I can’t remember for sure.

I thought it was absolutely wonderful and apropos when used to describe a select group of people, and have used it since.

OWB

Not sure exactly where or when I first heard that term, Hondo, but it’s been around a while. And, I completely agree with your assessment. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Ex-PH2

It does sound exactly like something that originates in a hometown atmosphere. Thank you!

Hondo

Thinking back, LTG Berry may have worded the phrase as “infuriate a lamp post” – he was speaking in public at the time, and he was a gentleman. But I’m guessing that was simply the “polite” version of the somewhat earthier phrase I used above – and that the version I quoted was indeed the version he learned growing up. (smile)

Ex-PH2

It fits right in with something else just as earthy.

Twist

I always said that BG McAuliffe’s famous “NUTS” was proceeded by “lick my” and was edited out for the prudes.

Hondo

I read somewhere that the BG McAuliffe’s actual words were, “Aw, shit,” – followed, immediately by “Aw, nuts.” However, only the latter phrase was sent as the reply. A more genteel time, I guess.

However, I’ve also ready that a member of McAuliffe’s staff who served with him extensively said that “Aw, nuts!” would have been fully in-character, as McAuliffe rarely if ever swore. So I guess it’s “take yer pick” regarding reality in that case. (smile)

Ex-PH2

You didn’t answer my question, shit-for-brains Taylor.

Who died and made you God?

Waiting for an answer. Take your time.

I have eternity.

A Proud Infidel®™

He DOES seem to think of himself as Command Sergeant major of the Universe, don’t he?

Ex-PH2

How about the HMFIC?

Common Sense

We’ve been enjoying the series as well.It sure doesn’t sugar-coat the brutality of the Nazis or the Japanese.

I would think the 1st Amendment would have something to say about a government official banning an ad for a TV series, regardless of the subject. The ad company has the right to refuse the ad, but the government doesn’t.

Ex-PH2

I’ve taken a good look at the photo featured up top, and I don’t see anything in it that refers to the TV series itself, or to the story in any form. Some ad agencies don’t get their message across clearly, which is what I think may have happened here.

The ads that were posted online in banner ads from Google and other ads on Amazon made it clear that it was a series about this story. That seems to be missing from other advertising.

Dave Hardin

If I ever need to be reminded that being caustic when trying to convey my point of view is counter productive, please feel obligated to point me back to this thread.

I really do like reading Mr. Taylor’s posts. On some issues I fundamentally agree with him, I have just never witnessed anyone who could be so wrong at being right.

One of the exercises I do to prepare for a public debate is to argue the opponents position from their perspective. It is an eye opening experience.

Once you loose your audience in a public debate there is no purpose for you being present. Unless of course, you work desperately to regain their respect.

Fascinating to watch such a exquisite example.

Ex-PH2

So you’re saying he makes hash with the wrong end of the knife?

Dave Hardin

I have never had anyone change their opinion on something because they lost an argument. It is possible to become aggressive and poignant without alienating your audience.

I never do that of course. It really is fascinating for me to watch. It really does help me understand why many people are so offended by some Atheists. I guess I have been guilty of the same thing from time to time.

I have never witnessed anyone so good at self deprecation in a public forum. It is almost as if he is determined to alienate both friend and foe on every issue.

I was worried there for a moment weeks back that people were actually beginning to like the man. He has completely restored my faith in him. This is kind of like watching someone repeatedly jam their hand down the garbage disposal to prove it works.

I am in awe.

A Proud Infidel®™

Hell Dave, you’re TWO things that Larsie-pinky will never be, a USMC Vet and a successful business man!

Twist

That, and he doesn’t try to claim that we are all trying to turn this Nation and it’s Military into a Christian Theocracy just because we aren’t all butt hurt like he is that someone slapped a picture on a sign that they thought looked cool.

Dave Hardin

I don’t have any invisible friends to talk to, my dog pretty much orders me around.

Most people I served with could have gave a shit less about our religious beliefs.

I might disagree with religions and even see them as a major contributor to the problems we have in this world. That does not mean they deserve no respect whatsoever.

Twist

“we aren’t all butt hurt like he is”

I hope you take that as if I was talking about you. That was not my intention.

A Proud Infidel®™

So instead of calling Lars “Pinky” maybe I ought to address him as “CAPTAIN BUTT-HURT”?

Dave Hardin

Never a problem brother, I had a feeling once, didn’t much care for it.

I know what you meant. I don’t have to read what you post three times to weed though all the bullshit and figure out what you are tying to say.

Much Respect.

Dave Hardin

Mr. Taylor on the other hand requires some work to understand.

I thought for a while he was a complete nut case that might be dangerous. He is harmless enough, annoying as shit from time to time, but harmless.

Seriously bro, don’t ever concern yourself with offending me, the only way you could do that would be to not speak your mind.

Semper Fi.

GDContractor

I agree Dave, fascinating.
Very soon, I predict he will say, “I’m not going to argue with you about it anymore. You are wrong. You are a traitor. You are a fuckwit.” That’s when you know you’ve lost an argument with him, again.

Ex-PH2

I’m counting the minutes until he wakes up and threatens us with “never coming back here again”. I live in hope.

Meantime, I keep hearing this every time I read one of his posts.

https://youtu.be/88Lsv1JBPSE

jonp

Hold on, is that a secret Nazi moon base just to the right of the dark spot?

Hondo

No, it’s Cp Onward. I hear it’s for Christian Soldiers only.

I understand they even wrote a song about getting orders for the place. Catchy tune. (smile)

Ex-PH2

You may find clues to its existence in ‘The Moon is a Harsh Mistress’ by R.A.Heinlein.

The discovery of liquid water on Mars has been as Heinlein predicted. He also said that Pluto would have volcanoes. I have lost my slipstick, somewhere along the road of life, but I bought it because Peewee could do calculations in her head. I do that at stop lights.

Ex-PH2

I’m out of corn. Minestrone calls, as does the triple chocolate mousse. Ciao!

jonp

The US should have held back and let The Third Reich exhaust itself pounding on The Soviet Union. Who would have won that one? Much game play but I think that Germany would have won seeing as The Soviets were down to old mongolian men at the end. We could have then taken out Germany with “little” trouble but that’s just thinking.

Kristoffer

Problem with that is Hitler declared war on us first on December 11, 1941. So there would have been something of a rush to take the fight to Nazi Germany.

Hondo

As a practical matter, that would have posed little problem. We supported the Soviets with massive quantities of Lend-Lease aid. We essentially fed and provided transportation for the Red Army during World War II from mid-1942 or so to the end of the war.

Had we not done that, it’s quite possible that the Soviet Union wouldn’t have survived. Or maybe it would have; dunno. But in either case, the “winner” in a protracted Nazi-Soviet war would have been relatively exhausted afterwards.

Besides, there’s historical precedent from World War II itself. The Polish Home Army and the Soviet Union were both enemies of Nazi Germany. But during the Warsaw Uprising, the Soviets sat by and watched the Nazis destroy the Polish Home Army in order to gain postwar advantage in Eastern Europe.

We chose to support Stalin and the USSR as the lesser of two evils during World War II. I sometimes do wonder if we indeed chose the lesser evil.

Why? Hitler was indeed an evil bastard bent on world domination. But so were Stalin and his successors in the USSR. And Nazi Germany murdered only about 1/3 as many people as the USSR did via state action during their respective existences.

B Woodman

Look at who were the leaders of the US and the USSR at the Yalta Conference: FDR (socialist) and Stalin (Communist). I think that plays a lot into who helped who, and how much.

Currahee John

Umm, wow. I saw the comments in the weekend thread about Lars losing his stuff in this thread, and y’all weren’t kidding! Seriously, I wonder if he blew a cerebral artery at one point here, and that’s why he shut up so fast. TIA/CHI/CVA’s hurt!

I had to comment about this little jewel, though:

“Anyone that advocates or support turning our military or any unit within the military into Christian crusaders is a worthless religious extremist traitor.”

Combined with this other little jewel:

“I never said we should ban Christian symbols. I said they should not be used in US army unit mottos or crests. Due to the fact the military is a secular institution of hundreds of faiths, it is a government body and there is a necessary separations of church and state, and because it is idiotic in the contemporary operating environment.”

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In conjunction with: http://i.imgur.com/IknVO3T.jpg

(I’ll admit that I may have missed a better pairing, I sort of nodded off wading through Lars’ fever swamp here)

And then there is this little bon mot:

“I truly can’t wait to meet one of you fucks in person.”

Which is clearly: http://i.imgur.com/IknVO3T.jpg

Ex-PH2

‘Fever swamp’???? Oh, lawsy, CJ, that is wonderful!

Jabatam

Well, regardless of how the pussy governor in New York feels, I looks forward to binge-watching on it and “The Last Ship” when I get back overseas after the holidays and I’m sure I’ll enjoy it

2/17 Air Cav

It strikes me as rather ironic that the ads were pulled by executive fiat in NY of all places. Can you say Madison Square Garden?

Silentium Est Aureum

Shhhhhh…don’t mention that little tidbit to Larsie the Prolapsed Mangina.

UC Berkeley didn’t prepare him to handle anything more than one frappucino order at a time.

He’s basically the 2015 version of the long-departed poster ObamaGirl.

GDContractor

“For 9 hours and 55 minutes it was good.”
Yep. Nailed it. Ugh…